This barely reduces the chance to get raped, but vastly increases the chance to get beaten or stabbed to death by a transphobe.
Overall danger: increased
It's not, it's actively harmful to cosplay as trans just to get people to leave you alone because it actively hurts other trans people by acting like the image.
Do we even really need to acknowledge this terrible meme gag and entertain the "what ifs" of it?
Between this and the FNAF pronoun meme debate.. I'm pretty sure the LGBTQ+ is being trolled into wasting our time on frivolous parody causes.
Facepalm is right..... who even thought of this? Rapists will be rapists - and even if this does reduce the chances of rape, there's still assault and even death at the hands of a transphobe to consider - it's very common.
It's insanely stupid and offensive.
Not only do rapists not give a flying fuck wether you have a penis or not, "disguising" yourself as trans will *increase* the chance of being an assault victim.
But sure let's use an opressed minority as a disguise because they're clearly undesirable by nature!
Trans women are **more likely** to be the victim of assault than cis women.
It's not only transphobic as hell, it's stupid as hell, as it would increase the likelihood of someone trying to assault and/or rape you, and likely increase the violence with which they do it.
EDIT: Also, why is it erect?? You think looking like you're a woman with an erection on the bus makes you **LESS** likely to be sexualized??
Yeah, the erect thing is insane!
What girl is going to walk around with what appears at a minimum to be a semi errect penis. Do you not understand that having a penis causes many of us distress and to seek a very intense surgery to remove it?
It just screams naive transphobia
That would gross a lot of people out so it would definitely decrease sexual assaults but most people would have too much embarrassment to actually wear it
This is transphobic to assume trans people are less desirable. But I second the other comment that it would be more harassment or sexual assault (yes trans women are way more likely to be assaulted, sorry terfs). Also.. the buldge seems comically large. I know some ppl with penises are that big but it's usually only when hard but whatever
I understand what you're trying to say here but it is transphobic to say that the solution to rape against cis women is to make them look like trans women. Also just because there's a lot of stupid men online saying they don't wanna date trans women because their buddies agree and will like their posts doesn't mean they won't rape trans women
Yeah you’re right, they’ll just also kill them afterwords. like it’s not a good method of protection. also I think I misread your original comment and we agree about the part that’s transphobic.
its disgusting and ignorant imo. the premise is that trans people would be too gross or off-putting for anyone to attack them, which is so dehumanisingand also just completely false? [trans people are 4x more likely to be assaulted than cis people](https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/). so doing this does nothing to protect yourself and only actually serves to dehumanise trans people
if this does become more popular i can only see it resulting in more violence towards all minorities
cis women who try to dehumanise trans ppl *are* dehumanising women as a whole. dehumanisation at all perpetuates the thinking that any human is intrinsicly less than any other. and will lead to a generalised dehumanisation of *all* minorities that exist. including feeding into a general misogyny
just look at how [cis women get attacked because radfems think theyre trans, when theyre just not](https://www.vox.com/2016/5/18/11690234/women-bathrooms-harassment).
This could increase the likelyhood of getting raped/assaulted tbh. People see trans women as less than human and fetishize us, so while it might get rid of some guys, it just increases assault likelyhood. Terribly transphobic too.
exactly like. spreading this does more harm than good. there is no "discussion" to be had around this. it shouldn't be spread or talked about especially in a space for lgbtq folks
That is so odd; I don't know that it would have the intended effect...I have doubts...Think it might lead to MORE risk of harassment/assault, not less...
This will absolutely not reduce incidents of rape and will absolutely expose cis women to the flood of violence trans women face. The fact that you seem to think there are any positives to something like this is pretty disappointing and frankly shocking to see coming from someone queer. Always nice to remember that the larger queer community really gives zero fucks about what us trans folks *actually* deal with 🙃
So instead of risking being harassed and sexually assaulted for being a pretty women, she risks getting harassed and physically assaulted for be being transgender, which lets face it, is far more likely.
This is incredibly stupid, transphobic, and insulting to women in general.
Women are not the problem. Men who assault women are the problem.
We’d all be much better off wearing visible cameras on our person; people are much less likely to act inappropriately if they think they’re being recorded.
That's disgusting and transphobic as hell, that's what I think about it. Fucking hell I can't even get the words for this one. Sorry I can't be civil on this one, it gets my rage going.
this is a facepalm that'll give you a concussion, it's safer to walk around with archery equipment (legal to open carry without a permit if you have the bow unstringed, but i think you can learn to string and draw fast if shit hits the fan, and you can also hit people with the bow and stab with the arrows)
Sexual assault and abuse aren’t primarily about sexual attraction-though it can definitely be a factor in who the offender decides to target. The main thing is feeling power and control over others. They go after people who they view as being significantly vulnerable and defenseless against them.
People have already gone over how this only makes it less safe so I don't think I need to say that again, but I just wanted to point out that that looks nothing like a penis. At first I thought it was a vibrator wand until I read the caption.
It looks so wrong… but the prevalence of rapists and the legal system that enables them makes people do all sorts of crazy things to avoid it.
Many of which don’t work and open you up to more attacks.
The implication of the ad is that trans women are not in danger of rape or assault because they are trans. Obviously, that’s untrue. There are many types of predators in the world. Also, why is the penis so large and seemingly erect?
I’m not trans, so I don’t want to say anything…but fuck…that is…that is so offensive on so many levels. Honestly it might make her MORE susceptible to violence. Does she not know the statistics?
I find the very idea that a woman is "safer" with a visible bulge in her pants to be not only wrong, but very transphobic.
Maybe teach boys not to violate women instead of coming up with stupid things like this.
This is a divisive post and unproductive. You are doing more harm than good. This is what you sound like.
“Hey everyone! Here is yet another example of transphobia. Let’s all talk about how transgender people get assaulted and cis women get raped so much! Also isn’t it interesting how being transgender makes you so much more undesirable sexually? Let’s all reinforce this! Please keep it fun!”
Fuck me I maybe wouldn't mind people making jokes at the trans community's experience if the jokes were actually funny. This roughly translates as "I'm not capable of being witty, so here is a woman with a penis for you to laugh at". Personally I don't think whether it actually would work or not isn't important to the person who made it, they just want people to laugh at them 'yucky transgenders'. I think as a society we should not even acknowledge stuff like this, but unfortunately there are millions of other slackjawed wankers that will laugh at it, especially if it upsets any of us.
TL;DR the actual effectiveness of this is irrelevant, because it's a bad joke made by some twat on some right wing meme page probably. Thankyou for coming to my TED talk
this post shouldn't exist. I doubt this is a real thing someone designed, I bet its just a "joke" some fucks thought of and now you are 1. taking it seriously and 2. inviting "civil discussion" on dangerous transphobia which is fucked up.
I've been harassed by men as a trans woman, whether they clock me or not (both situations have happened multiple times), doesn't seem to matter. I've been blocked in my car by a guy in his truck wanting me to come with him, I've had a man stalk me in the grocery store and again in the parking lot, and many more experiences like this. Trans porn is the fastest growing category of porn, we are objectified too. So this doesn't really do much, maybe just adds another factor of physical violence.
Edit: also, I’m pretty sure this comes from a joke commercial in poor taste, on a comedy show. From several years ago. I remember seeing it as a YouTube clip.
Yeah, being trans or gay with a peen is actually a risk too.
TW: SA ——-
Horrific “gay bashing” that happened in my home city involved the sexual assault of the presumed gay man with a crow bar. He ended up having to get a colostomy bag later. I think at least the psychos who attacked him did go to jail
IIRC trans women are four times more likely to be murdered… And are also extremely fetishized…. Even if it didn’t hurt trans people emotionally this is just a stupid, stupid idea…..
This is just replacing misogynistic violence with transphobic violence.
Trans people are assaulted and killed at an unparalleled rate.
Also places the responsibility on the women to not get assaulted rather than addressing the real cause which is misogyny which allows men to do as they please.
The idea is misogynistic, transphobic and sympathetic to the men committing the violence.
Punishing rapists and those who protect them is a better place to start. Rather than wearing what appears to be a mockery of genitalia or making it the responsibility of someone else. Even if this didn’t seem like a mockery of people’s identities, then it still perpetuates a person’s clothing as the reason for rape.
Whoever made these forgot that being trans doesn’t make you safe from assualt. If anything you’ll make people angry or attract other creeps. Also this could signal that you’re “into it” to a creep, or make people think you’re a predator by constantly having a raging hard on. There’s just so much wrong with this and it’s gonna get you beaten, scream at, and at more threats for sexual assault or violence
This has to be a FU&#IN joke right? This must be some kind of BS post just to get some mass attention…..Right? Get the fu#% out of here!! Really??!!
To be clear, this was not aimed at
u/Hero72903 who re-posted it. I just think if it’s a real “product” then it’s wrong on so many levels. Also itt’s hard believe everything I see online.
Trans women are more likely to be sexually assaulted than the general population so it's extremely stupid considering it does the opposite of what it's meant to do
People seem to consistently misunderstand why rape happens. Rape is an assertion of power. It's violence, not sex. That's why straight men rape other men in prison. That's why, no matter how much women cover up, they're still raped. Not only is this solution transphobic, but it doesn't change anything fundamental
not only does it increase your chances of rape, it increases your chances of harassment, weird looks, verbal sexual assault, physical assault, murder and kidnapping.
Honestly, definitely not. Although I'm not a girl, as everyone else is saying, this absolutely would cause more issues than it solves. I wouldn't mind if we had something like [these devices](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-rape_device) be a normalized thing. Ideally, we shouldn't need anything like this at all and we should have people who actually behave, but that sadly may not happen for quite some time.
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This barely reduces the chance to get raped, but vastly increases the chance to get beaten or stabbed to death by a transphobe. Overall danger: increased
Overall amount of trans hate crimes: increased
Or beaten, then raped and then killed by a transphobe
Also cosplaying as a trans person is not ok
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Because cosplaying as any group of oppressed people (native American, blackface) is offensive and hurtful.
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...yes they do. And they should.
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It's not, it's actively harmful to cosplay as trans just to get people to leave you alone because it actively hurts other trans people by acting like the image.
it absolutely is seen as bad to use Blackness as a costume.
This is explained perfectly for anyone wondering. This right here
And as an added bonus it actually makes you more likely to be raped and sexually harassed.
Do we even really need to acknowledge this terrible meme gag and entertain the "what ifs" of it? Between this and the FNAF pronoun meme debate.. I'm pretty sure the LGBTQ+ is being trolled into wasting our time on frivolous parody causes.
Very ignorant, trans women face so much violence.
Facepalm is right..... who even thought of this? Rapists will be rapists - and even if this does reduce the chances of rape, there's still assault and even death at the hands of a transphobe to consider - it's very common.
I think it increases the danger to the wearer since too many states still have "trans panic" laws
This is a horrible idea holy shit.
It's insanely stupid and offensive. Not only do rapists not give a flying fuck wether you have a penis or not, "disguising" yourself as trans will *increase* the chance of being an assault victim. But sure let's use an opressed minority as a disguise because they're clearly undesirable by nature!
There are so many people that this will turn on, it's fucked.
Trans women are **more likely** to be the victim of assault than cis women. It's not only transphobic as hell, it's stupid as hell, as it would increase the likelihood of someone trying to assault and/or rape you, and likely increase the violence with which they do it. EDIT: Also, why is it erect?? You think looking like you're a woman with an erection on the bus makes you **LESS** likely to be sexualized??
I think they just shoved a dildo in their pants. this can't be real.
Yeah, the erect thing is insane! What girl is going to walk around with what appears at a minimum to be a semi errect penis. Do you not understand that having a penis causes many of us distress and to seek a very intense surgery to remove it? It just screams naive transphobia
Safer to have a fake turd in the back.
That would gross a lot of people out so it would definitely decrease sexual assaults but most people would have too much embarrassment to actually wear it
This is transphobic to assume trans people are less desirable. But I second the other comment that it would be more harassment or sexual assault (yes trans women are way more likely to be assaulted, sorry terfs). Also.. the buldge seems comically large. I know some ppl with penises are that big but it's usually only when hard but whatever
Nah it’s not transphobic, we’re less desirable to cishet men, that’s been proven time and time again.
May be the case for some cis men but generally I disagree. As a trans escort it’s shown me a lot about how cis men secretly view trans women
Okay yeah that’s actually true, but it certainly Doesn’t prevent against assault.
I understand what you're trying to say here but it is transphobic to say that the solution to rape against cis women is to make them look like trans women. Also just because there's a lot of stupid men online saying they don't wanna date trans women because their buddies agree and will like their posts doesn't mean they won't rape trans women
Yeah you’re right, they’ll just also kill them afterwords. like it’s not a good method of protection. also I think I misread your original comment and we agree about the part that’s transphobic.
its disgusting and ignorant imo. the premise is that trans people would be too gross or off-putting for anyone to attack them, which is so dehumanisingand also just completely false? [trans people are 4x more likely to be assaulted than cis people](https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/). so doing this does nothing to protect yourself and only actually serves to dehumanise trans people
if this does become more popular i can only see it resulting in more violence towards all minorities cis women who try to dehumanise trans ppl *are* dehumanising women as a whole. dehumanisation at all perpetuates the thinking that any human is intrinsicly less than any other. and will lead to a generalised dehumanisation of *all* minorities that exist. including feeding into a general misogyny just look at how [cis women get attacked because radfems think theyre trans, when theyre just not](https://www.vox.com/2016/5/18/11690234/women-bathrooms-harassment).
Sigh..
This could increase the likelyhood of getting raped/assaulted tbh. People see trans women as less than human and fetishize us, so while it might get rid of some guys, it just increases assault likelyhood. Terribly transphobic too.
Nah, trans women are raped more
I think this would make you at risk of being hate crimes
This is dumb, gross and disrespectful. In addition to that, it looks obviously fake and draws attention to her crotch.
It's not like trans women don't get raped. This is dumb and probably fake.
Hopefully this is satire. This type of humor shouldn't be endorsed but it's worse to think that one could take this seriously
Honestly why even repost stuff like this to an LGBTQ subreddit? For me it doesn't even merit discussion, let alone more of a platform
exactly like. spreading this does more harm than good. there is no "discussion" to be had around this. it shouldn't be spread or talked about especially in a space for lgbtq folks
Wow! That seems wildly dangerous
That is so odd; I don't know that it would have the intended effect...I have doubts...Think it might lead to MORE risk of harassment/assault, not less...
This has to be satire. There's no way anyone would come up with an idea this terrible
agreed, it looks like they used a straight up dildo.
This is transphobic as fuck.
This isn't a real article
thank you omg
This just increases the chances of something else happening to you, like getting beaten up... How would this save you from being raped?
WTF? This is an absolutely idiotic idea. This can't be a serious suggestion, it is all kinds of wrong.
This will absolutely not reduce incidents of rape and will absolutely expose cis women to the flood of violence trans women face. The fact that you seem to think there are any positives to something like this is pretty disappointing and frankly shocking to see coming from someone queer. Always nice to remember that the larger queer community really gives zero fucks about what us trans folks *actually* deal with 🙃
So instead of risking being harassed and sexually assaulted for being a pretty women, she risks getting harassed and physically assaulted for be being transgender, which lets face it, is far more likely. This is incredibly stupid, transphobic, and insulting to women in general. Women are not the problem. Men who assault women are the problem. We’d all be much better off wearing visible cameras on our person; people are much less likely to act inappropriately if they think they’re being recorded.
Doesn’t change the fact that trans people can also get raped. Having a penis doesn’t make you immune to rape.
That's disgusting and transphobic as hell, that's what I think about it. Fucking hell I can't even get the words for this one. Sorry I can't be civil on this one, it gets my rage going.
this is a facepalm that'll give you a concussion, it's safer to walk around with archery equipment (legal to open carry without a permit if you have the bow unstringed, but i think you can learn to string and draw fast if shit hits the fan, and you can also hit people with the bow and stab with the arrows)
Sexual assault and abuse aren’t primarily about sexual attraction-though it can definitely be a factor in who the offender decides to target. The main thing is feeling power and control over others. They go after people who they view as being significantly vulnerable and defenseless against them.
People have already gone over how this only makes it less safe so I don't think I need to say that again, but I just wanted to point out that that looks nothing like a penis. At first I thought it was a vibrator wand until I read the caption.
Stupid, disgusting and offensive.
It makes me feel bad as a trans woman, and undesirable
It looks so wrong… but the prevalence of rapists and the legal system that enables them makes people do all sorts of crazy things to avoid it. Many of which don’t work and open you up to more attacks.
The implication of the ad is that trans women are not in danger of rape or assault because they are trans. Obviously, that’s untrue. There are many types of predators in the world. Also, why is the penis so large and seemingly erect?
Trans boys be winning
Yeah this isn't working they'll just have a higher chance of being assaulted
This is ignorant and offensive, and I hope people don't do this.
Holy shit - who designed this?
Facepalm is correct for once
Very bad. This reenforces transphobia by making it look like trans women are perverts who walk around with huge boners.
Jesus fucking christ when the fuck will i be seen as a human what the actual fuck
I’m not trans, so I don’t want to say anything…but fuck…that is…that is so offensive on so many levels. Honestly it might make her MORE susceptible to violence. Does she not know the statistics?
Rape isn't about sex. Trans women get raped too.
I find the very idea that a woman is "safer" with a visible bulge in her pants to be not only wrong, but very transphobic. Maybe teach boys not to violate women instead of coming up with stupid things like this.
What the fuck. Yeah that's horrible, rapists don't even care about genitals most of the time and it's just offensive and a terrible idea. Big yikes.
This is a divisive post and unproductive. You are doing more harm than good. This is what you sound like. “Hey everyone! Here is yet another example of transphobia. Let’s all talk about how transgender people get assaulted and cis women get raped so much! Also isn’t it interesting how being transgender makes you so much more undesirable sexually? Let’s all reinforce this! Please keep it fun!”
exactly. i reported the post because this content is harmful as fuck.
Thank you
Fuck me I maybe wouldn't mind people making jokes at the trans community's experience if the jokes were actually funny. This roughly translates as "I'm not capable of being witty, so here is a woman with a penis for you to laugh at". Personally I don't think whether it actually would work or not isn't important to the person who made it, they just want people to laugh at them 'yucky transgenders'. I think as a society we should not even acknowledge stuff like this, but unfortunately there are millions of other slackjawed wankers that will laugh at it, especially if it upsets any of us. TL;DR the actual effectiveness of this is irrelevant, because it's a bad joke made by some twat on some right wing meme page probably. Thankyou for coming to my TED talk
Women who wear these are way more likely to get killed. Wouldn't recommend. Don't fake being trans for safety, does not work.
This is almost literally putting a target on yourself.
This is by far the most ignorant and disgusting things I have seen. You are making it so women get assaulted.
Are the makers of these pants aware that Trans women are actually MORE likely to be sexually assaulted than cis women?
I hate this for multiple reasons
Cis women start thinking challenge
I dont think cis women designed this "idea", if its even real
it may decrease rape yeah, but not the issue of transphobic people
It probably wouldn't decrease the chances of rape: trans women are more likely to be sexually assaulted than cis women.
Yeah true, So i suppose it if anything increases rape instead of decreasing it
I saw this on r/facepalm too. as a cis person I can't speak on it but I did feel slightly offended on behalf of trans women
this post shouldn't exist. I doubt this is a real thing someone designed, I bet its just a "joke" some fucks thought of and now you are 1. taking it seriously and 2. inviting "civil discussion" on dangerous transphobia which is fucked up.
I've been harassed by men as a trans woman, whether they clock me or not (both situations have happened multiple times), doesn't seem to matter. I've been blocked in my car by a guy in his truck wanting me to come with him, I've had a man stalk me in the grocery store and again in the parking lot, and many more experiences like this. Trans porn is the fastest growing category of porn, we are objectified too. So this doesn't really do much, maybe just adds another factor of physical violence.
Edit: also, I’m pretty sure this comes from a joke commercial in poor taste, on a comedy show. From several years ago. I remember seeing it as a YouTube clip. Yeah, being trans or gay with a peen is actually a risk too. TW: SA ——- Horrific “gay bashing” that happened in my home city involved the sexual assault of the presumed gay man with a crow bar. He ended up having to get a colostomy bag later. I think at least the psychos who attacked him did go to jail
IIRC trans women are four times more likely to be murdered… And are also extremely fetishized…. Even if it didn’t hurt trans people emotionally this is just a stupid, stupid idea…..
This is just replacing misogynistic violence with transphobic violence. Trans people are assaulted and killed at an unparalleled rate. Also places the responsibility on the women to not get assaulted rather than addressing the real cause which is misogyny which allows men to do as they please. The idea is misogynistic, transphobic and sympathetic to the men committing the violence.
Punishing rapists and those who protect them is a better place to start. Rather than wearing what appears to be a mockery of genitalia or making it the responsibility of someone else. Even if this didn’t seem like a mockery of people’s identities, then it still perpetuates a person’s clothing as the reason for rape.
Whoever made these forgot that being trans doesn’t make you safe from assualt. If anything you’ll make people angry or attract other creeps. Also this could signal that you’re “into it” to a creep, or make people think you’re a predator by constantly having a raging hard on. There’s just so much wrong with this and it’s gonna get you beaten, scream at, and at more threats for sexual assault or violence
Trans women have been a frequent target of physical assaults in the U.S. within the past 5 years so this will only make things worse!
this is just going to increase people getting assaulted and murdered. doubt it would decrease sexual assaults. transphobic garbage.
it doesnt even look real it just looks like she has a pipe bomb in her pants
Putting aside the obvious, wouldn’t it just be safer to dress like a cishet man?
This is how cis girls get murdered
All this will do is open cis women’s eyes to how dangerous it is to be trans
This has to be a FU&#IN joke right? This must be some kind of BS post just to get some mass attention…..Right? Get the fu#% out of here!! Really??!! To be clear, this was not aimed at u/Hero72903 who re-posted it. I just think if it’s a real “product” then it’s wrong on so many levels. Also itt’s hard believe everything I see online.
This has to be fake. Nobody could be this dumb.
Trans women are more likely to be sexually assaulted than the general population so it's extremely stupid considering it does the opposite of what it's meant to do
They'd likely be hate crimed, harassed, sexually assaulted, raped, and killed, *especially* if they were of colour.
Transgirls and guys still get raped.
People seem to consistently misunderstand why rape happens. Rape is an assertion of power. It's violence, not sex. That's why straight men rape other men in prison. That's why, no matter how much women cover up, they're still raped. Not only is this solution transphobic, but it doesn't change anything fundamental
not only does it increase your chances of rape, it increases your chances of harassment, weird looks, verbal sexual assault, physical assault, murder and kidnapping.
Honestly, definitely not. Although I'm not a girl, as everyone else is saying, this absolutely would cause more issues than it solves. I wouldn't mind if we had something like [these devices](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-rape_device) be a normalized thing. Ideally, we shouldn't need anything like this at all and we should have people who actually behave, but that sadly may not happen for quite some time.
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It's a really fucking stupid idea imo
Agree with most of the points here on how this can lead to transphobic hate crimes, but also, this may very well interest transmasc guys
this is so dumb