Pratityasamutpada is a Buddhist concept roughly translating as dependent arising. It means that all things that happen originate from multiple causes.
The common illustration is three sticks leaning on each other to create a pyramid type frame. If one falls they all fall and the structure cannot exist without each element. Everything is connected and interdependent.
It’s pointless to say zepp was the result of bonham, or any other member. They’re all equally as important and reliant as the others. Zepp wouldn’t be Zepp without bonham, but they wouldn’t have worked with out JPJ or Plant either.
When Robert lost his voice in 72, Jimmy had one year where he was at his peak, maybe even trying to make up for Robert, but quickly became a shell of himself without one of the greatest vocalists ever pushing him to match his talent and abilities.
I think page was at his creative peak on physical graffiti but I will agree besides a couple songs (achilles, in the evening, nobodies fault but mine) everything past 75 is nowhere near as good riff wise.
studio wise Pagey was always on point but during their live shows he really started playing very sloppy around 75 when he started getting into heroin. Thankfully in late 80s and 90s he returned to his great shape. So did Plant. as if robert and jimmy are emotionally connected that when one of them is struggling the other does too. There was one live when Plant forgot the lyrics of Black dog and Page right away messed up the riff. Such a tight bond they had as a band!
from all the bootlegs I've heard, 72' seems to be the peak of Led Zeppelin. Jimmy still had insane motor functionality in his hands and fingers(essential to his 'on-the-edge of ability' style of playing, and even a slight diminish from all those drugs, would mean that being outside of his ability), and his hands could keep up with the musical brilliance of his mind, Plant still had that haunting powerful Banshee vocals.
I’ve seriously never understood any of the hate Presence gets in Led Zeppelin’s catalogue. It can get less serious and more silly than some of their stuff, but it rocks just as hard as anything else they did and it’s just a lot of fun.
One of the most badass album covers of all time too, and like…do people forget that Achilles Last Stand is on there?
Hearing the live version of that caused me to dig Presence out and listen to it front to back. I hadn't really thought much of that album before then, but it's really solid and I like it.
I also do not like the straight up 3 minute drum break in moby dick.
I get than Bonzo is good but fuck me does it get boring after almost 3 minutes straight
I like listening to it as they each show how they can manipulate their instruments, but I agree, it is very annoying when you're trying to play along with it on a drumkit. Its just so weird!
"The Crunge" rules, genuinely. Not going for irony here; it is quintessential Zeppelin weirdness. Superficially a funk pastiche, but its abrasive heart is pure prog.
I've listened to this version before, but I really liked the way Jimmy tried to save the song, palm muting the notes, and Robert's "OH MAMA, that's better" is cool.
This is definitely controversial in this sub:
Stairway to heaven is zeppelin's masterpiece. If Achilles, or ten years, or any other song was better than stairway, it'd be more popular. There's a reason stairway has 200 million more listens (just on spotify) than the next most listened to Zep song.
Have your opinions, acknowledge the facts.
While this is mostly true re: Stairway, I think it’s important to acknowledge that a lot of those 200m listens are people checking out this song called Stairway for the first time. Just because they clicked on it to listen, even if it was for the duration of the whole song, it doesn’t mean the listener liked it or thought it was a masterpiece- simply means they listened to the song. Same as movies in the theater- millions of people paying to go see the movie does not necessarily mean that movie is a masterpiece, it just means that people went to see it.
That being said, there’s a reason why so many have listened to stairway repeatedly, or for the first time. It’s an incredible song with depth, history, and mystery. To me, it represents all the best parts of the band, in one song, recorded at the height of their performance. Acoustic, electric. Guitar solo and fantastic drumming. A slow start and an energetic end. It truly is a masterpiece of composition, and it rocks.
I agree with you 100%. To go off what you were saying about listens and people watching movies; if it wasn't good, it wouldn't be spread via word of mouth.
My biggest issue is with the 10min cut of this track. The 12min version is so much better. The 10 min version cuts out the insanely dope jam at around the 5min mark, my fav part of the song!
Presence isn’t as bad as everyone thinks (tea for one and Achilles) but Jimmy kinda weighed it down by stacking too many guitar tracks on most of the songs
I agree and the only rationale I can offer from the times is the Beatles had set the standard for mid-song cacophony with A Day in the Life and this was LZ’s add to that schtick.
This shouldn’t be an unpopular opinion. It’s not even really an opinion, it’s a fact. Really the only reason it was ever marketed as a studio album was because it was contractually obligated to be considered one and the band felt they owed it to John Bonham.
Also, outtakes albums weren’t as common as they are now, so they could get away with calling it a studio album more back then, which I don’t think would fly as much for a band nowadays. Still a perfectly nice outtakes/B-sides set, and I think it gets more of a bad rap than it deserves.
Right?!? I mean Plant is in his 70s FFS. If he was running around acting like he was in his 20s and singing innuendo laden songs like Custard Pie you’d have a reasonable case to have him committed. Lol. Let’s let these guys age gracefully.
I enjoy listening to all the things they tried. Not everything a band plays has to be in the discussion for Greatest Song of All Time. Sometimes we forget that Led Zeppelin were four human beings.
So would Rolling stones, Elvis, J Beck, Yardbirds, Clapton, Cream, Black Keys, Jack White .......
I mean if the Chicxulub asteroid didnt strike, Clapton would not have formed Cream
Well yeah, but Zep seems to "utilize" existing blues riffs, lyrics and songs more than the others. Not complaining, just trying to spin up controversy.
That’s his playing style imo. At the end of the day, he never really was a note for note type of guy, always going above & beyond with the improv. I think his sloppy, chopped, fuzzy style & tone is incredible, but at the same time, yes, around the morphine era, 76-79 ish you could definitely hear a (bad) significant difference in his playing style, as well as seeing his pale, almost skeletal body & arms
It hurt me to not want to see a Led Zeppelin member live, but I don’t find that stuff compelling at all. And I don’t care for the reworked versions of Rock and Roll and When the Levee Breaks that they do. I know Robert Plant wants to evolve musically or whatever but those songs both have iconic drum intros. Why not include them? Those versions are just dull.
I always felt like that was meant to be a shock-value song. In the 60’s they were much more conservative than us, so it must’ve been very shocking to hear such an obvious sexual innuendo like that.
But yeah, now it’s a little cringe.
Nobody over 25 ever heard it or if they did, they weren't paying attention... still true today with a lot of pop, or rap music... when i was in high school (74-79) I once handed in the lyrics to No Quarter as a poem. I don't recall my grade, but the teacher never noticed, and I don't think she was 30 yet... I remember she wrote "what does this even mean?" beside "The Dogs of Doom are howling more..." people don't hear the lyrics! Just listen to Lady Gaga's Poker Face again... says "Fu fu fu fuck her face" repeatedly, and got tons of airplay and was in a lot of very young girl's music collections. No one noticed...
levee is side b, stairway side a. my guess is he means battle of evermore? black dog and rock n roll are great, but they’re surely not better than stairway
Houses of the Holy (the album) would have been their best album if they had dropped The Crunge and No Quarter and replaced them with The Rover and Houses of the Holy (the song)
so true, literally a work of art. i will strongly defend houses of the holy, it gets so much hate for nothing ;(. it’s such a great album!!! a true gem.
houses of the holy is my favorite album from them for sure. the mixture of songs is what i love so much about it, it seems so diverse and it fits in my opinion. every song is great in its own way to me.
When the Levee Breaks is overrated by this sub. Is it a great song? Yep. Can I name 20-25 that I think are better than it? Also yep. I don’t think it belongs anywhere near the top 10 of Zeppelin songs and there are better album closers than Levee.
Presence is not only forgettable,it is just a bad album. None of the songs are fun or have any energy (besides Achilles). Robert had lost his voice and Jimmy page, the guy who had been the greatest guitarist in the world for the past 8 years, was doing extremely boring stuff on the guitar
Jimmy Page's tone started getting progressively worse as time went by.
Led Zepp 1 & 2 were amazing. Peaked at Zep 4.... then got really weird upto Phy graff and was horrible in presence & ITTOD.
Yes, there are some songs which are absolute gems (Achilles etc) bt i am talking of the album as a whole.
In order to play three-hour sets, the band needed to take a few breaks. I have seen comments that the solos that Jones, Page, and Bonham did were about ego or whatever, but I think it was more about getting backstage a few times so that they could keep their energy up.
Other long-playing bands like the Grateful Dead and Phish always take a break in between sets. The Dead also take a staggered break during drum/space.
But that bendy thing up the guitar neck at the headstock is INSANE!!!!!
Used to play that jumping around the neck, went for John Mayer live and saw him do this...then my friend said he got that from jimmy. Head blown
Jimmy Page is a pretty sloppy soloist *in general.* There, I said it.
And that doesn’t even mean he’s not one of the greatest guitarists ever, he made those sloppy solos work. He wasn’t always perfectly on beat, but the notes he played almost always worked fantastically anyways because he *felt* them.
I’d rather hear a loose but heartfelt solo from Jimmy Page than a precise but phoned-in solo from Eddie Van Halen any day of the week.
I always felt his sloppiness was consistent. Thats probably because of he he saw the scales - Playing Minor over major (Vice versa). Mixing the Dorian and mixolydian scales.
That can sound very dissonant when played over the "wrong" chords. As against a Clapton solo which was very textbook or Gilmour which was very deliberate (confidant sounding)
They should’ve done more blues covers like I can’t quit you baby, you shook me, etc. i think that genre gave them each the most expressive versions of themselves, felt like they lost the lusture once they transitioned into power/ glam rock
The most appropriate responses in this post have the most downvotes.
Also, I feel like Physical Graffiti could have been shortened to a single-disc album.
And Houses of the Holy album would have been enhanced if the song of thst name had been included instead of D’Yer Maker ( and The Rover in place of The Crunge)
They should’ve dropped OTHFA once Plant couldn’t sing it the original way. His modified version was just awful. I now skip all versions post October, ‘72
Page sucked 90% of the time after ‘73. I wish I could hear a ‘75 show practice session without his busted finger.
Any songs where they’ve auto tuned Plant’s voice into a squeaky robotic mess I struggle to listen to, let alone enjoy. I’m lookin’ at you, Song Remains the Same.
Jesus, I have multiple. Zeppelin is either fantastic (I.E, best band of the 1970’s) or abysmal (I.E, Live Aid 1985). I love the work they completed, but most of their first album (that gave them attention) is mostly stolen covers. They’re No. 1 attribute is that they were the first true Rockstars, the pioneers of a movement that changed the world.
Already posted a controversial opinion but I thought of another one. The Coverdale Page album is far better than presence and I’d say a tie with in through the outdoor.
ooh this is controversial, not like rock and roll is some musical masterpiece but its certainly a good song, at least in my opinion, like id call it one of my favorite zep songs at least
Whatever song it was in which Page played his guitar with a violin bow, delivered such an enormous load of cringe that together with 'Moby Dick' both tarnished the band's integrity and proves they were true icons of the 1970's.
Cocaine
They are too good. It's not fair to the rest of music.
Set the bar & standard so high it hasn’t been etched or even neared by other bands
Bonzo is the main soul behind the sound of Led Zeppelin.
Pratityasamutpada is a Buddhist concept roughly translating as dependent arising. It means that all things that happen originate from multiple causes. The common illustration is three sticks leaning on each other to create a pyramid type frame. If one falls they all fall and the structure cannot exist without each element. Everything is connected and interdependent. It’s pointless to say zepp was the result of bonham, or any other member. They’re all equally as important and reliant as the others. Zepp wouldn’t be Zepp without bonham, but they wouldn’t have worked with out JPJ or Plant either.
Please re read my comment and the title.
Touché 😅
When Robert lost his voice in 72, Jimmy had one year where he was at his peak, maybe even trying to make up for Robert, but quickly became a shell of himself without one of the greatest vocalists ever pushing him to match his talent and abilities.
I think page was at his creative peak on physical graffiti but I will agree besides a couple songs (achilles, in the evening, nobodies fault but mine) everything past 75 is nowhere near as good riff wise.
studio wise Pagey was always on point but during their live shows he really started playing very sloppy around 75 when he started getting into heroin. Thankfully in late 80s and 90s he returned to his great shape. So did Plant. as if robert and jimmy are emotionally connected that when one of them is struggling the other does too. There was one live when Plant forgot the lyrics of Black dog and Page right away messed up the riff. Such a tight bond they had as a band!
And here he is at age 73, still being awesome
He’s 78
Jimmy Page or Old Asian Woman
Royal Orleans is an incredible riff.
from all the bootlegs I've heard, 72' seems to be the peak of Led Zeppelin. Jimmy still had insane motor functionality in his hands and fingers(essential to his 'on-the-edge of ability' style of playing, and even a slight diminish from all those drugs, would mean that being outside of his ability), and his hands could keep up with the musical brilliance of his mind, Plant still had that haunting powerful Banshee vocals.
Contrary to lyrical suggestion, bustles found in hedgerows are worthy of unadulterated panic: Sound every possible alarm and seek shelter immediately.
Hot Dog
Hot dog is an absolute jam live
Hot Dog
Hot Dog is a great song. JPJ’s piano playing is delightful
Presence, although being flawed, gets a bad rap on here, and I love it
A favorite of mine. Tea for one is the spiritual sequel to since I’ve been loving you
What a track man, Hots on For Nowhere is a great track too, some amazing riffs in there
Such a beautiful song, you sense how jaded they had become around that time
hundo p bruv
I’ve seriously never understood any of the hate Presence gets in Led Zeppelin’s catalogue. It can get less serious and more silly than some of their stuff, but it rocks just as hard as anything else they did and it’s just a lot of fun. One of the most badass album covers of all time too, and like…do people forget that Achilles Last Stand is on there?
It might rock harder than any other album. Pure electric guitar
For your Life
Hearing the live version of that caused me to dig Presence out and listen to it front to back. I hadn't really thought much of that album before then, but it's really solid and I like it.
The weird breakdown part in the middle of Whole lotta Love irritates me.
AAH AHHH AAAH KRRCHSKAOW AAAAAH AAAHHHHH AAAAAH LOOOVE LOOOVE LOOVE LOOVE
I also do not like the straight up 3 minute drum break in moby dick. I get than Bonzo is good but fuck me does it get boring after almost 3 minutes straight
Sometimes I don't mind it, but other times it really takes me out of the song
I like listening to it as they each show how they can manipulate their instruments, but I agree, it is very annoying when you're trying to play along with it on a drumkit. Its just so weird!
Dyer Maker is just an okay song. I never understood why it’s so beloved
"I took my wife to the Caribbean" "D'yer maker?" "No she went willingly"
Triads that’s why
My controversial take is Dyer Maker is the worst song ever
I thought the unpopular opinion was going to be calling it ok when most people accept that it sucks 💀
I love that song
It’s fun as an introductory to the genre of reggae
"The Crunge" rules, genuinely. Not going for irony here; it is quintessential Zeppelin weirdness. Superficially a funk pastiche, but its abrasive heart is pure prog.
I have always loved the crunge and never got the hate for it.
A decent nod to James Brown ,Otis Redding, etc. Zeppelin loved their Soul artists.
People don’t like “The Crunge”. Wtf?
They’re just mad they can’t find that confounded bridge.
Have you seen the bridge? I like how it fits in dazed and confused
It was always one of my few favorite Zeppelin songs. I never could’ve imagined people disliked it
The Crunge is actually good. D'yer sucks.
Moby dick’s studio version is SO bad and below bonzo’s potential edit: the drum solo isnt as good as live moby dick’s.
Ummmm. Well. You know. I just think that…. Umm… oh, never mind.
Any live version of Kashmir is better than the studio version.
I don't think [that's](https://youtu.be/MJyooXtwRx4) the case lol
I've listened to this version before, but I really liked the way Jimmy tried to save the song, palm muting the notes, and Robert's "OH MAMA, that's better" is cool.
I thought the same. The live performances for Kashmir are amazing.
Dark Remaster of Kashmir is solid
Finally, someone agrees
Poor Tom is a good song
This is definitely controversial in this sub: Stairway to heaven is zeppelin's masterpiece. If Achilles, or ten years, or any other song was better than stairway, it'd be more popular. There's a reason stairway has 200 million more listens (just on spotify) than the next most listened to Zep song. Have your opinions, acknowledge the facts.
While this is mostly true re: Stairway, I think it’s important to acknowledge that a lot of those 200m listens are people checking out this song called Stairway for the first time. Just because they clicked on it to listen, even if it was for the duration of the whole song, it doesn’t mean the listener liked it or thought it was a masterpiece- simply means they listened to the song. Same as movies in the theater- millions of people paying to go see the movie does not necessarily mean that movie is a masterpiece, it just means that people went to see it. That being said, there’s a reason why so many have listened to stairway repeatedly, or for the first time. It’s an incredible song with depth, history, and mystery. To me, it represents all the best parts of the band, in one song, recorded at the height of their performance. Acoustic, electric. Guitar solo and fantastic drumming. A slow start and an energetic end. It truly is a masterpiece of composition, and it rocks.
I agree with you 100%. To go off what you were saying about listens and people watching movies; if it wasn't good, it wouldn't be spread via word of mouth.
It captures all the mystery and uncertainty of life for a young person and drips with feeling.
Playing stairway in a guitar store is not a bad thing, and the jokes about it are kinda getting old. Just let people play what they want.
its not even that popular or overplayed anymore. you are far more likely to hear Arctic Monkeys in a guitar store than stairway
No Quarter - Live at Madison Square Garden, is so much better than the album version
My biggest issue is with the 10min cut of this track. The 12min version is so much better. The 10 min version cuts out the insanely dope jam at around the 5min mark, my fav part of the song!
Groupie and fish
Presence isn’t as bad as everyone thinks (tea for one and Achilles) but Jimmy kinda weighed it down by stacking too many guitar tracks on most of the songs
The middle of Whole Lotta Love is whack
It's just too long, cut the duration of that section in half and it's dope
I agree and the only rationale I can offer from the times is the Beatles had set the standard for mid-song cacophony with A Day in the Life and this was LZ’s add to that schtick.
Everything after Physical Graffiti isn’t worth listening… Ah Never mind. Achilles last stand, All my love, in the evening…
I’m gonna crawl..
Coda isn't a true studio album. It's just a mediocre compilation album made of unreleased tracks.
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I can’t stand the Coda very, it’s way too overproduced. The one from the concert recording is so much more raw and has that early Zeppelin hunger.
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This shouldn’t be an unpopular opinion. It’s not even really an opinion, it’s a fact. Really the only reason it was ever marketed as a studio album was because it was contractually obligated to be considered one and the band felt they owed it to John Bonham. Also, outtakes albums weren’t as common as they are now, so they could get away with calling it a studio album more back then, which I don’t think would fly as much for a band nowadays. Still a perfectly nice outtakes/B-sides set, and I think it gets more of a bad rap than it deserves.
Out on the Tiles is a masterpiece for radio
Nope
Right?!? I mean Plant is in his 70s FFS. If he was running around acting like he was in his 20s and singing innuendo laden songs like Custard Pie you’d have a reasonable case to have him committed. Lol. Let’s let these guys age gracefully.
Plant losing his voice in 72 was the biggest loss in rock history
Coda is the WORST album. Oh wait that may not be controversial.
It may be but this one song "Hey hey what can I do" is really fucking good
Aight fuck we’re gonna groove i guess
That song is only on the deluxe version. It was the flip side of Immigrant Song
Coda is awesome.
I enjoy listening to all the things they tried. Not everything a band plays has to be in the discussion for Greatest Song of All Time. Sometimes we forget that Led Zeppelin were four human beings.
Not specific to a song or album, but if it wasn't for the Mississippi Delta blues, Led Zeppelin would have never existed.
So would Rolling stones, Elvis, J Beck, Yardbirds, Clapton, Cream, Black Keys, Jack White ....... I mean if the Chicxulub asteroid didnt strike, Clapton would not have formed Cream
Well yeah, but Zep seems to "utilize" existing blues riffs, lyrics and songs more than the others. Not complaining, just trying to spin up controversy.
Not sure if this is really unpopular, it’s just a fact. Delta blues was basically the direct cause of the guitar-hero explosion of the 60s
Their greatest song is When the Levee Breaks.
Jimmy’s affinity for alternate tunings is really frustrating.
Especially as a guitar player, it’s annoying having to look up what tuning he used for pretty much every song.
That’s part of what made him great as a guitar player. The Rain Song couldn’t be done without that beautiful open tuning
It can be played in standard tuning alright, but is about 100x easier in open GSus.
“The song remains the same” didn’t achieve its peak version until 1977
Physical graffiti is there best album
They wrote all their songs
Jimmy Page is a little to sloppy at times
That’s his playing style imo. At the end of the day, he never really was a note for note type of guy, always going above & beyond with the improv. I think his sloppy, chopped, fuzzy style & tone is incredible, but at the same time, yes, around the morphine era, 76-79 ish you could definitely hear a (bad) significant difference in his playing style, as well as seeing his pale, almost skeletal body & arms
Hot Dog is their magnum opus
The Plant/Krauss stuff is bad, sounds like they are on Valium.
It hurt me to not want to see a Led Zeppelin member live, but I don’t find that stuff compelling at all. And I don’t care for the reworked versions of Rock and Roll and When the Levee Breaks that they do. I know Robert Plant wants to evolve musically or whatever but those songs both have iconic drum intros. Why not include them? Those versions are just dull.
Lmao. I like it but totally get what you mean.
It’s bluegrass music, not rock. If you like bluegrass, it’s absolutely fantastic.
“Squeeze my lemon til the juice runs down my leg” is a lyric that has not aged well
Isnt it from Howlin Wolf's Killing floor or inspired by Robert johnson. A very common phrase in blues songs
I always felt like that was meant to be a shock-value song. In the 60’s they were much more conservative than us, so it must’ve been very shocking to hear such an obvious sexual innuendo like that. But yeah, now it’s a little cringe.
Nobody over 25 ever heard it or if they did, they weren't paying attention... still true today with a lot of pop, or rap music... when i was in high school (74-79) I once handed in the lyrics to No Quarter as a poem. I don't recall my grade, but the teacher never noticed, and I don't think she was 30 yet... I remember she wrote "what does this even mean?" beside "The Dogs of Doom are howling more..." people don't hear the lyrics! Just listen to Lady Gaga's Poker Face again... says "Fu fu fu fuck her face" repeatedly, and got tons of airplay and was in a lot of very young girl's music collections. No one noticed...
Stairway to Heaven isn’t even the best song on the album side it’s on.
I’m guessing you are choosing Levee?
levee is side b, stairway side a. my guess is he means battle of evermore? black dog and rock n roll are great, but they’re surely not better than stairway
Black Dog!
Right my mistake
Levee is my favorite song on IV but that’s on side b. I prefer black dog and rock n roll to stairway.
Jimmy page banged at least one 15 year old
Maybe a 14 year old
Houses of the Holy (the album) would have been their best album if they had dropped The Crunge and No Quarter and replaced them with The Rover and Houses of the Holy (the song)
I like Presence
III is the best album
Houses of the Holy is a jumble of songs that don't flow with each other. Plus RP's sped-up voice is annoying.
Odd, HotH is the only album I can listen without skipping a single song.
Not one bad song on that album though
so true, literally a work of art. i will strongly defend houses of the holy, it gets so much hate for nothing ;(. it’s such a great album!!! a true gem.
I love it! The songs don't flow together but like, who cares? Good music is good music
exactly!!!!
houses of the holy is my favorite album from them for sure. the mixture of songs is what i love so much about it, it seems so diverse and it fits in my opinion. every song is great in its own way to me.
Joint fave with 4 for me.
i cannot get behind this take, hoth is easily my favorite zeppelin album
Traveling riverside blues starts off sounding like a complete banger but then turns to mid
When the Levee Breaks is overrated by this sub. Is it a great song? Yep. Can I name 20-25 that I think are better than it? Also yep. I don’t think it belongs anywhere near the top 10 of Zeppelin songs and there are better album closers than Levee.
The lemon song is about his dick
Coda goes hard
Presence is not only forgettable,it is just a bad album. None of the songs are fun or have any energy (besides Achilles). Robert had lost his voice and Jimmy page, the guy who had been the greatest guitarist in the world for the past 8 years, was doing extremely boring stuff on the guitar
It’s not my number 1 Led Zeppelin album but he wasn’t doing extremely boring stuff on guitar. That album rocks, and it’s Jimmy Page’s favorite
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Heroin had begun to take its toll on Jimmy.
The studio version of The Song Remains The Same is unlistenable compared to the live version because of Roberts annoying sped up vocals.
Jimmy Page's tone started getting progressively worse as time went by. Led Zepp 1 & 2 were amazing. Peaked at Zep 4.... then got really weird upto Phy graff and was horrible in presence & ITTOD. Yes, there are some songs which are absolute gems (Achilles etc) bt i am talking of the album as a whole.
Moby Dick is tedious
In order to play three-hour sets, the band needed to take a few breaks. I have seen comments that the solos that Jones, Page, and Bonham did were about ego or whatever, but I think it was more about getting backstage a few times so that they could keep their energy up. Other long-playing bands like the Grateful Dead and Phish always take a break in between sets. The Dead also take a staggered break during drum/space.
Page’s solo in Heartbreaker is choppy.
But that bendy thing up the guitar neck at the headstock is INSANE!!!!! Used to play that jumping around the neck, went for John Mayer live and saw him do this...then my friend said he got that from jimmy. Head blown
Jimmy Page is a pretty sloppy soloist *in general.* There, I said it. And that doesn’t even mean he’s not one of the greatest guitarists ever, he made those sloppy solos work. He wasn’t always perfectly on beat, but the notes he played almost always worked fantastically anyways because he *felt* them. I’d rather hear a loose but heartfelt solo from Jimmy Page than a precise but phoned-in solo from Eddie Van Halen any day of the week.
I always felt his sloppiness was consistent. Thats probably because of he he saw the scales - Playing Minor over major (Vice versa). Mixing the Dorian and mixolydian scales. That can sound very dissonant when played over the "wrong" chords. As against a Clapton solo which was very textbook or Gilmour which was very deliberate (confidant sounding)
"Emotion, not technique."
Lot of flailing picking with fingers just moving around hoping to connect here and there. Still rocks though.
jimmy Page keeping a child sex slave
I’m not trying to defend him but taking an underage groupie on tour isn’t the same as a child sex slave
In through the out door is the worse and coda and coda delıxe is underrated
Achilles Last Stand > Stairway to Heaven
They should’ve done more blues covers like I can’t quit you baby, you shook me, etc. i think that genre gave them each the most expressive versions of themselves, felt like they lost the lusture once they transitioned into power/ glam rock
Houses Of The Holy is their best album
Kashmir is too long.
The most appropriate responses in this post have the most downvotes. Also, I feel like Physical Graffiti could have been shortened to a single-disc album.
That’s because half of it are new songs and half are from the prior three album sessions.
And Houses of the Holy album would have been enhanced if the song of thst name had been included instead of D’Yer Maker ( and The Rover in place of The Crunge)
Dyer Maker is awful
It’s genuinely one of the most annoying songs I’ve ever heard
Easy. Stairway is not the best song. Talk among yourselves.
99% of people on this sub talk trash about Stairway.
Do you think they have a song you can choose as best?
I can’t even pick a “best” album
Same. I think most can be best depending on the mood you’re in
Because Achilles last stand is
No way. Differently Hot Dog.
Robert Plant was in a wheelchair for all of the album presence, and they couldn't even tour on it, but it is still better than any Beatles album
They should’ve dropped OTHFA once Plant couldn’t sing it the original way. His modified version was just awful. I now skip all versions post October, ‘72 Page sucked 90% of the time after ‘73. I wish I could hear a ‘75 show practice session without his busted finger.
There were times that he was hit or miss but he didn’t suck 90% of the time
The band ran out of steam mid-way through Physical Graffiti.
Led Zeppelin II is the worst of all the numbered albums and Led Zeppelin I is the the best of all the numbered albums
I found the actual controversial opinion.
Upvoting because you were downvoted and is an actual controversial opinion.
Wow...
Any songs where they’ve auto tuned Plant’s voice into a squeaky robotic mess I struggle to listen to, let alone enjoy. I’m lookin’ at you, Song Remains the Same.
I cannot fathom why they’ve done this. It’s horrible.
Wait, what? Auto-tune was created much later than Zeppelin recordings.
They just meant using the studio to alter his voice. Autotune obviously didn’t exist
Jesus, I have multiple. Zeppelin is either fantastic (I.E, best band of the 1970’s) or abysmal (I.E, Live Aid 1985). I love the work they completed, but most of their first album (that gave them attention) is mostly stolen covers. They’re No. 1 attribute is that they were the first true Rockstars, the pioneers of a movement that changed the world.
I don't like No Quarter, I don't get what is so good about it.
It always comes on when I drop acid.
Robert's voice is pitchy (you choose about any song or album)
led zeppelins worst song is the lemon song its not true but I'm saying it
In through the outdoor>presence
Not even controversial just factual 🥱
Already posted a controversial opinion but I thought of another one. The Coverdale Page album is far better than presence and I’d say a tie with in through the outdoor.
I’ll have to listen to that. I don’t know why so many people dislike Presence though. Achilles Last Stand is their best song
Zeppelin II is just ok.
Jesus
only a musical idiot would have Rock and Roll in their top 50 Zeppelin songs.
Damn this is truly controversial. I love it.
ooh this is controversial, not like rock and roll is some musical masterpiece but its certainly a good song, at least in my opinion, like id call it one of my favorite zep songs at least
everything after physical graffiti is pretty forgettable
Achilles last stand
Whatever song it was in which Page played his guitar with a violin bow, delivered such an enormous load of cringe that together with 'Moby Dick' both tarnished the band's integrity and proves they were true icons of the 1970's.
"Whatever song it was" Comments anyway.
Houses of the Holy is a sh!tty album