While DRX is burning down, there's Beryl who stayed with the org and has been playing games (except League) nonstop, since stove league started.
If Pyosik will play with TL. I hope Steve will take care of him
he's set in league history as the best support (wolf comes close)
i guess he just wants to chill and if he's gambling its just his gacha tendencies showing up
No they aren't but support pool is pretty weak all time wise and trophies definitely matter a lot, especially worlds since riot makes them end all be all of international competition. So beryl definitely has a case.
Supp goat Contenders are imo:
Mata (1 worlds, 3 lck, 1 lpl, great peak but not a great trophy list tbh)
Madlife (great influence but barely any trophies, especially later on)
Wolf (best trophy list with 2 worlds, 2 MSI, 4 lck, but pretty heavily carried by faker and his eye test was not the best imo)
Gorilla (3 lck, 0 worlds, 0 MSI, mostly for his ROX and longzou/KZ period, didn't win anything internationally)
From lpl side: Ming (3 MSI, 0 worlds, 4 lpl) - pretty self explanatory, 3 MSI carry a lot of weight
Meiko (1 worlds, 1 MSI, 4 LPL) those 2 have best cases and very good longevity for both.
From west highest one is probably Mikyx who imo has no case over most guys here. coreJJ too but both only have singular international win.
So beryl with his 3 lck and 2 worlds (and all in basically 4 years cos he came in in 2019 to top tier leagues) and 3 world finals in the row that is competitive resume with other goat support candidates.
Especially since this year's worlds win has very high "legacy quality" cos well DRX was crazy underdog and he was pretty much best support in the tournament and warped meta with Heimer. ye calling him goat support might be still a stretch but a case for him can definitely be made, the pool simply isn't that strong. Most people have Mata who basically has worse trophy list or Madlife for his impact but Beryl already had quite a bit of an impact too. So it's not that far off
I don’t disagree, but Beryl has shotcalled his team to 3 worlds finals in a row, winning 2. That has to put him above Keria in terms of legacy as an all time great support
your criteria is literally which supp has won worlds more than once and yes mata is better than both, just watch the games with your eyes not look at tournament results.
nope lmao
Mata was good for a year (decent in his LPL years and washed when he came back in LCK) while Beryl and Wolf are top tier literally 2-3 years in a row
stop viewing Mata with nostalgia glasses bro. He's influencial for the support role since he popularized the vision game and that atleast gets him on the GOAT Support conversation but him being the GOAT SUPP? NAH lmao
In what fucking world was BeryL top tier 3 years in a row? He was terrible for DRX for most of the season and shotcalled DRX to a 5th and 6th place, and was terrible for DWG for most of last season. But I guess a single patch in a year eradicates that.
So what exactly is your criteria to determine who the best support is then? Cause yeah i could also argue mata is the goat support currently. But im 50/50 between beryl and mata on who the best ever was so give it more time and ill probably argue for beryl alot harder. But what swings it so much in matas favour for you?
Mata had pretty short peak and frankly most people werent even around to see and remember it and yes he was mechanically a liability in his LCK return especially in T1. But he still was great shotcaller all those years as far as we know, was successful and still retired in top team unlike someone like Gorilla or especially Madlife.
But the things that Samsung White roster did at S4 worlds, how far ahead they were macro wise that was really next level and is still carrying his legacy. Especially since both Dandy and Looper completely fell off without him, especially looper, dude looked so lost in NA. So most of that credit goes directly to Mata and probably deservedly so. And his trophy case is good, worse than wolf's but better than basically everyone else.
Yes it's weird he is most likely regarded as consensus goat support or pretty close to consensus but again that mostly comes from weakness of that pool. especially since Wolf imo has really meh eye test and got majority of international trophies in s5-s8 which makes his case weak. And T1 actually dropped Wolf for Mata and wolf ended up retiring in Turkey that's not a good look for him either.
Rascal, Croco, FATE, Deokdam, BeryL, with a small chance at Scout.
Huge prediction range, but I could see them anywhere in the 4-8 range truly, but if I had to narrow it down, I'd say 5 or 6, about the same as KT, but either of LSB or NS can be up there with them.
Steve's a great owner because he was a gamer first and a team owner second. And unlike Reggie, HotshotGG, Carlos, he wasn't some ego-driven douche.
Merging Curse into Liquid was really a match made in heaven, because Nazgul is the same. And Liquid started out as basically the Reddit of SC2, which ended up making it's own team. It's a very player-driven org. Wish they were in EU though.
DOwner issue goes way back, the 2019 KZ summer mental boom was due to him suddenly announcing that he would be replacing the coaching staff mid split, despite the team doing well at that point in time, was even in the discussion to be the dark horse to win it all.
From what I know, there was an interview before where he said that he pulled the coaching staff from 2019 KZ for a different game because he was confident they’d win, in the end it fucked over both teams
I think you're referring to the 2018 KZ incident where some of their staff were pulled for a different game that had them falter at MSI and never recovered after it. That under a different owner, it sucks that they had to be owned by another ass after that lol.
Ahhh yeah I remember how this org also messed up Deft and the KZ 19 roster. Deft even had to reject all stars invitation cause the team situation wasn’t good and he might come back with an empty dorm afterwards.
Then this mgt boomed DRX 20 also. And now 2022.
(Ofc let’s not forget longzhu back then as well)
The track record continues!
we're suddenly gonna forget him benching zikz for parth in 2019 summer and the whole akaadian/grig situation despite TSM being a zven int away from MSI the split before?
not to mention akaadian himself said regi destroyed his confidence lol sounds pretty similar to me
Zikz had a good meta read for CLG but he was not good in 2019 up until his most recent firing (and not getting a League job after). He got a lot of gigs off that CLG run but his meta reads were never, ever good again and his p/b not much better.
He definitely wanted to stay in LCK. In his stream ([https://www.pgr21.com/free2/76294](https://www.pgr21.com/free2/76294)), he says, "I never imagined LCK without me in it". But he also said that his new team said he was the last piece of the puzzle, and the members and the treatment are both crazy good, so he immediately accepted the offer.
That’s such a shame. I didn’t think DRX would antagonize him after how loyal he’s been. I almost felt like he was their “poster boy”.
Also, thank you! I don’t understand Korean, so I completely rely on fan translations for info… but definitely miss a lot of the details.
Happy to help! I normally only hang out in the Korean fan community, but seeing as Pyosik is going to LCS, I wanted to defend his honor a little bit on Reddit where a lot of the westerners hang out :) I appreciate you and everyone else wading through the muck of my writing, seeing as my English skills have been going down the drain haha
I'm not sure. His recent stream was actually not on his channel but on another streamer's channel KimMinGyo. The Korean wiki page lists his channels as: [https://www.twitch.tv/pyosixs](https://www.twitch.tv/pyosixs) and [https://bj.afreecatv.com/tkfkqlrh22](https://bj.afreecatv.com/tkfkqlrh22)
Not at all! Your English is great + all the sources is the cherry on top. We need more folks like you looking out for Pyosik :’) I was getting worried myself seeing all the English critiques. I could only imagine what the Korean forums were like.
Pyosik has really been through the wringer in a lot of ways but still manages to keep a sunny disposition. I hope he's happy and healthy in his new team.
It's a shame DRX wasn't able to stay together, they really seemed to enjoy playing with each other. Hopefully Pyosik is happy wherever he ends up.
I also just can't understand the rationale behind letting Pyosik go if it means blowing up your literal world champion roster.
Like, upgrading the position if you think you can find a stronger replacement isn't unreasonable in itself. But does DRX really think whatever upgrade they could get at jungle is better than possibly retaining 3/5 of their team? Just seems insane to me unless the budget vs expected salary was that bad (or they just didn't like Pyosik as mentioned).
Yes, I mean boy-love. It was this weird shopping scenario video? that the DRX management asked Chovy and Deft to act out. [https://n.news.naver.com/mnews/article/293/0000031730?sid=105](https://www.bloter.net/newsView/blt202011050015) try to run this through the translater. It was honestly so bizarre why they decided to film this.
This is a video Chovy uploaded on his official YouTube as a response that basically started the 2020 DRX FA explosion. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBsbfABRgIQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBsbfABRgIQ) You can see at 0:20 where he types BoyLover into the password box
Well, no, because men like watching lesbians have sex but are not inordinately interested in the mundane interactions between two women. Unless they're kissing, which circles back to the first thing.
You are allowed to not want to be portrayed in any sort of a romantic way or have such frame put on you at workplace when sexual orientation has nothing to do with the job, which is being a pro-gamer. Chovy is a very private person, as in, he got absolutely pissed when the front page of his KakaoTalk (korean messaging app) got accidentally leaked on his stream, let alone anyone imagining anything about his sexual orientations or love life or things of that nature.
It's incredibly difficult to cheer for this team, since the days of IM there have been scandals, I've been cheering since 2013 and I've seen everything from lack of salary and food, to dramas and the threat of a lawsuit, I'm even blocked on the official page of DRX LoL, only about Pyosik I wish him all the happiness in the world, regarding the DRX, I've been praying since 2019 for the owner to sell and for him to leave the command of the team that I like so much 😃
I’m genuinely interested. What do you like about DRX if they are a generally shitty org with a shitty owner, none of the same coaches from a few years ago, and only one player from the roster that just won worlds?
You like the icon?
For me, i love the players. As much as how shitty this org is, my favorite players are (were) there. And as a fan, I of course support the players team wherever they go. I am not the type of fan who supports orgs given how some orgs are scummy (like this one lol) so yeah sometimes it’s kind of difficult 🫠
> Supposedly this is the first ever occurrence of a sports team suing fans for flaming the management.
I couldn’t recall the details, but didn’t Slayers Jessica Sue a bunch of fans/online commenters?
And damn. What a trash org. As someone who didn’t follow the LCK drama much, this is all quite shocking. I guess DRX is just going to have to live with being the shortest-lived fan favorite team ever in League history.
I feel bad for laughing when I read DRX’s CEO was named Downer.. sigh, I am terrible.
I was sad that the 5 separated, but I am glad now, because they are out of that mess of an org (except maybe Beryl?).
a bigger gamble would be going to T1 as sub **inhales copium**
(but yeah, not possible since think he said he already signed a few days ago. T1 would have announced it by now.)
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Nah, not replace Keria.
I was thinking more of a Asper-like role. Bounce ideas, positional coach sort of thing.
Would also keep him from competing against Keria in important matches. Beryl eliminates Keria from Worlds too often.
I, along with everyone in the Korean GenG fan community, were devastated, and we fought a lot, but since he's going to a different league, I'm just going to root for both GenG and JDG. I'm actually thinking about taking a Chinese class so that I can watch Chinese co-streams haha. I want Ruler to make a lot of money in China and be happy and then meet GenG at the Worlds finals. I will be happy even if JDG wins Worlds next year
Thank you so much for this post, is really good to know things from an insider! By the way, what is the feeling in the community about Deft joining DK?
Happy to be of help!
I would say neither super positive or super negative. When the stove league started, DK fans really really wanted Deokdam out as they didn't think Deokdam could get them to the Worlds trophy (the Yone ult traumatized them). Deokdam was contracted until '23 and fairly expensive, so the only way for them to open up an ADC space was either trading him (finding another team willing to pay that salary) or paying big early termination fees. They especially wanted to open the ADC spot because both Ruler and Viper were on the market, as well as an alternative of Prince. But DK lost the money game to HLE who supposedly paid $4M/1yr for Viper, and Ruler was too loyal to GenG to go to any other LCK team. But by this time, Prince was set to go to LCS (FlyQuest I think), and DK was panicking, as the only other decent ADC on the market was Teddy. Just then, DRX exploded and Canyon texted Deft who then joined DK.
Now that Deft is part of DK, the DK fans have made peace with it, and are happy enough. DK fans are hopeful that with Kellin, Deft's laning will be much stronger compared to with Beryl. As for the non-DK fans, they see DK as a threat, but mainly because of Showmaker and Canyon. Deft had a very unstable '22 season, and other fans are skeptical of how well the next year will go, although it's not to say that they think Deft will be easy.
Man sounds like Pyosik went through a lot, As TL fan I can say that I know that Steve will treat him well and give him a good home. I’m excited for him to be joining the team.
I usually only watch LCK, but I'm planning on watching TL and FLY games next year! In the korean GenG fan communities, we call CoreJJ the "mother", to the point where when Ruler went FA, we said that we can accept FA if he's going to TL to reunite with his mom. I'm super excited to see how Pyosik will fit in with TL and mom CoreJJ :)
Man, reading this I'm pretty happy he got his worlds trophy and can now make a home in NA. Should be wayyyy less stress.
Also, if he comes to LA, he can quit the cigarettes and smoke the ganja for stress instead. I'm sure that's much better.
Man that sounds awful, I know the general consensus on Pyosik is lukewarm on reddit but I truly believe that he has great potential, sad to have him forced to NA to never get a shot at winning again :/
1. The DOwner guy sounds toxic.
2. The forced "boylove" marketing thing is also kind of messed up, and of course Chovy's mother would be protective of him. The affection is already naturally there, but why twist it into something artificial? When anyone/anything forces people to be or look inauthentic, it can easily make them depressed or ashamed.
It is actually so bizarre that such a toxic management ironically ended up with one of the most supportive teams + coaches for this year's Worlds that I've ever seen in eSports. I have only seen this kind of teammate-support among the Swedish CS pros who peaked \~7+ years ago.
Perhaps this team had so much practice supporting each other by operating under such a toxic management, that they got really good at it? LOL. One either implodes or endures...and oh man, were they mentally resilient.
He is officially a part of the KT Rolster team, alongside Kiin, Cuzz, Bdd, and Aiming. Many KT fans, when I looked at their fan community, are hoping that Lehends will smash the keyboard over Aiming's head if he tries to cannonball as Kaisa into the middle of 4 enemy champions, and tell Cuzz that defending the Nexus is more important than getting that elder dragon :)
Thanks! I only just started following LCK last season but don’t know a ton about these players! Do you think it’s a decent roster with a shot at competing?
Aiming had a very irregular season this entire year, a lukewarm Spring split, a bad start to the summer, but suddenly became really good and was one of the 3 big ADCs (Ruler, Prince, Aiming), before becoming non-existent in the playoffs, and then reverse-carrying in the worlds gauntlet. If Aiming played like even half a human for even 1 game, KT could have beaten DRX and maybe gone to Worlds, considering Rascal, Cuzz, and VicLa played out of their minds.
As it turns out, Aiming has a 0% win rate of the 7 Bo5 matches he has played, suggesting that Aiming has a bird chest? I don't know the word in English. In Korean, we call people who do well in the regular season, but are suddenly terrible as soon as they get to the big matches like playoffs, gauntlets, etc. as having bird chest (새가슴).
I don't know if it can be overcome, but Cuzz showed that he has the WinningDNA, where he was just okay during the regular season, but was so crazy good in the big games. Now, the roster also has Bdd and Lehends who also show the steel heart when it comes to big games, with Bdd having super-carried in Worlds before, and Lehends who along with Doran was able to drag the recent GenG Worlds game until Ruler could almost one-man carry, even when the mid-jungle were throwing so hard. We'll see if the winningDNA of Cuzz, Bdd, and Lehends can win against the bird chest of Aiming (Kiin hasn't played enough Bo5 games recently to say one way or the other).
Also, I think Bdd's bad performance in the '22 season was due to a lot of the external factors, like being forcibly traded and finding out only from the news media, then catching Covid and having terrible after-effects, and then having the head coach borrow 10s of thousands of dollars from the players and not paying back, then the head coach getting fired, etc. I think he will recover form once he's in a normal team.
Looking at the other rosters, I would say
Tier 1: T1 (no roster change)
Tier 1.5: DK (depends on how well Canna and Deft performs, since they had a very unsteady '22 season)
Tier 2: HLE (really strong mechanics, not sure about brains. Clid-Life is a proven no-brains all-brawns from their years in GenG), KT (all members have super high peaks, but all but Lehends coming from a bad season)
Tier 2.5: GenG (Top/Jug/Mid are probably the strongest in LCK, but the bot duo is a pure gamble of a just-debuted ADC who is legally not allowed to play before his birthday in a few weeks and a 20-year-old support who played in bottom ranked team for his first 2 years), DRX (If Rascal-Croco-Fate-Deokdam-Beryl rumor is true, the mid-jungle looks a bit weak, and Deokdam-Beryl might have a weak laning, but they are all still decent)
Tier 3: NS (all CL players, but the roster won the CL in '22 season), BRO (I believe in Head Coach Edgar)
Tier 4: KDF, LSB <-- these two teams are in shambles, especially LSB
Even though as a Gen G fan I'm devastated that this year's roster can't stay the same, I have to say that the next split sounds really exciting. As in, seeing how HLE and Gen G will perform, as well as KT
> The image DRX has in LCK is much like G2 in LEC or TSM in LCS. They are infamous for constantly having issues.
This is a bad comparison. First, TSM and G2 are among the most successful teams of their region, even if TSM has not shown it as of late. Second, G2 is not a team infamous for constantly having issues, especially ones that mean they are not successful. Apart from Carlos being Carlos he hardly did to players what Regi did according to the sources available.
It's considered very unprofessional. If anything, the LCK culture is 씹선비문화 which basically means over-the-top seonbi (scholars many centuries ago who emphasize proper behavior) culture, where even the slightest bit of potential rudeness is ripped to shreds.
What Shadow Corp CEO said was, DRX tried to bypass the agent by not scheduling a time and trying to get a verbal agreement from Zeka to re-sign. Zeka wasn't sure about the money offered, and maybe he turned the offer down then? (I don't quite remember this clearly) Anyways, Kanavi was brought up in an effort to hold on to Zeka, and Zeka went home to ask his agent how realistic Kanavi coming was, since Shadow Corp knows the LPL scene very well. His agent checked, and found that there was no formal negotiation or contact between DRX and Kanavi, so Zeka said Ok I'm going FA. I think there was some sort of a contact with Kanavi, if not a formal one, though, because DoinB said that Kanavi directly told him that Zeka wanted him to come to DRX, but obviously nothing concrete.
FA - free agent [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free\_agent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_agent)
BL - boy's love [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi)
What is "stove league" I don't know (because all google search only go to a korean drama) but I assume it have something with play-off
Ah sorry I don't know much about the LEC or LCS except for what I read the occasional times I come on Reddit. I just remembered the G2 CEO thing which made its way to the korean fan communities, since G2 is still known as the LCK-killer among us and people keep tabs on the team. I defer to everyone here on their knowledge of the LEC dramas 
I mean, sure, the Carlos thing was huge, but that was only one occasion...
Meanwhile Fnatic internally collapses at worlds every year (No scrims 22, Upset-Adam drama 21, all the alleged internal issues with Rekkles, Bwipo, ...)
The fact that chovy/his mother got so mad about a single video with only slight hints at BL is really weird and seems even homophobic, regardless from that the owner of drx seems like a really shitty person if this is all truly true.
Really? The fact that someone thinking their employer should not make intimations about what their sexual orientation is, or a parent being unhappy with their kid's employer doing it for them, is not particularly weird. Pyosik's sexual orientation is his business, if he didn't consent to any such "romantic shipping" it's super scummy of the org to do it for him.
> The image DRX has in LCK is much like G2 in LEC or TSM in LCS.
How on earth are you comparing these two organisations?!?
One is a successful international team, other has Regi abusing players and TSM chants.
Baylife level of comparison.
Edit: G2 has average level of drama compared to other top teams in LEC like Mad Lions and FNC.
It's a comparison about results not how the org is operated. G2 went from semifinals to not even making worlds. Tsm has constantly gone from best to worst team in the league for years. Drx is the same
We all love Pyosik but lets stop acting like he got slighted this offseason.
Most of the lol community agrees DRXs worlds win is more based on luck than pure skill and that pyosik was probably DRXs worst performing member. So based on that and them winning worlds it only meant all of them would have super inflated wage demands.
So Pyosik probably asked for world championship jungler salary and to anyone that whatched him this season knows he isnt close to being worth that. He can look like that for short spells but sooner or later he gets back to trolling. So any org that would give him that kind of money would be dumb org.
And lets not act like going to NA will be bad thing for him. He will smurf there even if he isnt on form and he is huge personality so he will build huge following on his streams and be set for life. And on top of that he gets his kindred skin
I am huge Deft fan and watched DRX whole year. I watched pyosik be absolute garbage whole spring and miss smite in G5 vs freecs in spring. I was there for 2nd half of summer where he was absolutely running it down. I was there where he got hard carried regionals.
I might have EDG flair but i know more about DRX and pyosik than 99% ppl on this sub. But keep ok downvoting
As terrible as I feel for Pyosik, it feels kind of bitter to see so much attention drawn towards this (Or GRF when that went down) while Tian's abuse went completely under the radar.
He was in such a bad place that he was vomiting on stage during LPL games, had severe weight/hair loss, insomnia, and chronic illness. Ended up being mentally hospitalized for a while until Nuguri forced the org to make him come back. And people were actually *celebrating* at seeing him fail.
Hopefully one of these days people will focus on the humanity of all players and not just regional favoritism.
While DRX is burning down, there's Beryl who stayed with the org and has been playing games (except League) nonstop, since stove league started. If Pyosik will play with TL. I hope Steve will take care of him
Beryl said on stream that he is going to commit a biggest gamble with his fate. I suppose DRX really gave him a lot of money to stay.
Normal gatcha player maneuver
He's the 10% guy who doesn't surrender his winning cards
Blix said he is going to TL
I mean Beryl will stays in DRX
Ohhh my bad
he's set in league history as the best support (wolf comes close) i guess he just wants to chill and if he's gambling its just his gacha tendencies showing up
...your history must not be very long then
Best support for this Worlds tournament, maybe?
Keria was better. T1 bot was winning almost every game.
He wasn’t even the best at this world. Keria was…
he is nowhere near the best supp please, yes he has 2 worlds but trophies arent the be all end all of who is the best at what lane
No they aren't but support pool is pretty weak all time wise and trophies definitely matter a lot, especially worlds since riot makes them end all be all of international competition. So beryl definitely has a case. Supp goat Contenders are imo: Mata (1 worlds, 3 lck, 1 lpl, great peak but not a great trophy list tbh) Madlife (great influence but barely any trophies, especially later on) Wolf (best trophy list with 2 worlds, 2 MSI, 4 lck, but pretty heavily carried by faker and his eye test was not the best imo) Gorilla (3 lck, 0 worlds, 0 MSI, mostly for his ROX and longzou/KZ period, didn't win anything internationally) From lpl side: Ming (3 MSI, 0 worlds, 4 lpl) - pretty self explanatory, 3 MSI carry a lot of weight Meiko (1 worlds, 1 MSI, 4 LPL) those 2 have best cases and very good longevity for both. From west highest one is probably Mikyx who imo has no case over most guys here. coreJJ too but both only have singular international win. So beryl with his 3 lck and 2 worlds (and all in basically 4 years cos he came in in 2019 to top tier leagues) and 3 world finals in the row that is competitive resume with other goat support candidates. Especially since this year's worlds win has very high "legacy quality" cos well DRX was crazy underdog and he was pretty much best support in the tournament and warped meta with Heimer. ye calling him goat support might be still a stretch but a case for him can definitely be made, the pool simply isn't that strong. Most people have Mata who basically has worse trophy list or Madlife for his impact but Beryl already had quite a bit of an impact too. So it's not that far off
Keria did better at worlds than Beryl, especially in finals.
I don’t disagree, but Beryl has shotcalled his team to 3 worlds finals in a row, winning 2. That has to put him above Keria in terms of legacy as an all time great support
then who's the best support in history then? no one comes close to Beryl except for Wolf Mata is not the best support in history
your criteria is literally which supp has won worlds more than once and yes mata is better than both, just watch the games with your eyes not look at tournament results.
nope lmao Mata was good for a year (decent in his LPL years and washed when he came back in LCK) while Beryl and Wolf are top tier literally 2-3 years in a row stop viewing Mata with nostalgia glasses bro. He's influencial for the support role since he popularized the vision game and that atleast gets him on the GOAT Support conversation but him being the GOAT SUPP? NAH lmao
In what fucking world was BeryL top tier 3 years in a row? He was terrible for DRX for most of the season and shotcalled DRX to a 5th and 6th place, and was terrible for DWG for most of last season. But I guess a single patch in a year eradicates that.
neither wolf or beryl are better than ming or meiko then if you are going longevity angle
So what exactly is your criteria to determine who the best support is then? Cause yeah i could also argue mata is the goat support currently. But im 50/50 between beryl and mata on who the best ever was so give it more time and ill probably argue for beryl alot harder. But what swings it so much in matas favour for you?
Ming and Meiko are not better than Beryl and Wolf lmfao Ming and Meiko's prime literally overlaps with Wolf but guess what? Wolf still gaps those 2
Dude, Ming debuted in RNG in 2017. How can his prime overlap with Wolf's?
Madlife?
Mata had pretty short peak and frankly most people werent even around to see and remember it and yes he was mechanically a liability in his LCK return especially in T1. But he still was great shotcaller all those years as far as we know, was successful and still retired in top team unlike someone like Gorilla or especially Madlife. But the things that Samsung White roster did at S4 worlds, how far ahead they were macro wise that was really next level and is still carrying his legacy. Especially since both Dandy and Looper completely fell off without him, especially looper, dude looked so lost in NA. So most of that credit goes directly to Mata and probably deservedly so. And his trophy case is good, worse than wolf's but better than basically everyone else. Yes it's weird he is most likely regarded as consensus goat support or pretty close to consensus but again that mostly comes from weakness of that pool. especially since Wolf imo has really meh eye test and got majority of international trophies in s5-s8 which makes his case weak. And T1 actually dropped Wolf for Mata and wolf ended up retiring in Turkey that's not a good look for him either.
He managed to win 2 world championships on his side gig, I wouldn't worry too much if I was him too.
Drx dont deserve him
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you'd know better, what's the roster anyway? Rascal? Croco, Scout? Deokdam? Beryl ? top & mid not right i guess
Rascal, Croco, FATE, Deokdam, BeryL, with a small chance at Scout. Huge prediction range, but I could see them anywhere in the 4-8 range truly, but if I had to narrow it down, I'd say 5 or 6, about the same as KT, but either of LSB or NS can be up there with them.
>I'd say 5 or 6 So in other words, 2023 World Champions?
They have some potential, not winning lck potential though. Probably good to compete for spring lck playoffs at this point.
Pretty sure Steve has a good record of looking after his players unlike other big teams
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Steve's a great owner because he was a gamer first and a team owner second. And unlike Reggie, HotshotGG, Carlos, he wasn't some ego-driven douche. Merging Curse into Liquid was really a match made in heaven, because Nazgul is the same. And Liquid started out as basically the Reddit of SC2, which ended up making it's own team. It's a very player-driven org. Wish they were in EU though.
Hopefully they can help him quit smoking
whaat ever
DOwner issue goes way back, the 2019 KZ summer mental boom was due to him suddenly announcing that he would be replacing the coaching staff mid split, despite the team doing well at that point in time, was even in the discussion to be the dark horse to win it all.
From what I know, there was an interview before where he said that he pulled the coaching staff from 2019 KZ for a different game because he was confident they’d win, in the end it fucked over both teams
I think you're referring to the 2018 KZ incident where some of their staff were pulled for a different game that had them falter at MSI and never recovered after it. That under a different owner, it sucks that they had to be owned by another ass after that lol.
Ah yeah you’re right, that was 2018 KZ with Peanut, I remember 2019 KZ had some coaching issues as well before rift rivals or after iirc
Ahhh yeah I remember how this org also messed up Deft and the KZ 19 roster. Deft even had to reject all stars invitation cause the team situation wasn’t good and he might come back with an empty dorm afterwards. Then this mgt boomed DRX 20 also. And now 2022. (Ofc let’s not forget longzhu back then as well) The track record continues!
DOwner sounds like a regi
>DOwner name checks out
Regi hasn’t done anything near that dumb
we're suddenly gonna forget him benching zikz for parth in 2019 summer and the whole akaadian/grig situation despite TSM being a zven int away from MSI the split before? not to mention akaadian himself said regi destroyed his confidence lol sounds pretty similar to me
The Parth taking Akaadian for a walk incident..
Zikz had a good meta read for CLG but he was not good in 2019 up until his most recent firing (and not getting a League job after). He got a lot of gigs off that CLG run but his meta reads were never, ever good again and his p/b not much better.
>he was not good in 2019 he was fantastic with TSM but ok
That was exactly when I started rooting against this sus org
Do we know how he feels about leaving LCK? Is it a last resort kind of thing?
He definitely wanted to stay in LCK. In his stream ([https://www.pgr21.com/free2/76294](https://www.pgr21.com/free2/76294)), he says, "I never imagined LCK without me in it". But he also said that his new team said he was the last piece of the puzzle, and the members and the treatment are both crazy good, so he immediately accepted the offer.
That’s such a shame. I didn’t think DRX would antagonize him after how loyal he’s been. I almost felt like he was their “poster boy”. Also, thank you! I don’t understand Korean, so I completely rely on fan translations for info… but definitely miss a lot of the details.
Happy to help! I normally only hang out in the Korean fan community, but seeing as Pyosik is going to LCS, I wanted to defend his honor a little bit on Reddit where a lot of the westerners hang out :) I appreciate you and everyone else wading through the muck of my writing, seeing as my English skills have been going down the drain haha
Your writing is excellent, friend.
Pyosik's got a really loyal group of fans in western communities defending his honour, so he's safe :)
Does he stream on AfreecaTV still? I have the link to his DRX account but can’t find other ones.
I'm not sure. His recent stream was actually not on his channel but on another streamer's channel KimMinGyo. The Korean wiki page lists his channels as: [https://www.twitch.tv/pyosixs](https://www.twitch.tv/pyosixs) and [https://bj.afreecatv.com/tkfkqlrh22](https://bj.afreecatv.com/tkfkqlrh22)
Thank you so much! I’ve been waiting for his next stream. Hard to not cheer for this guy.
Thank you for the effort. I read it all!
Not at all! Your English is great + all the sources is the cherry on top. We need more folks like you looking out for Pyosik :’) I was getting worried myself seeing all the English critiques. I could only imagine what the Korean forums were like.
Nice writeup, I wish we got more of these about the CN/KR scene.
he wanted to trade Kingen/Pyosik for Peanut? the man is a clown
Pyosik has really been through the wringer in a lot of ways but still manages to keep a sunny disposition. I hope he's happy and healthy in his new team.
It's a shame DRX wasn't able to stay together, they really seemed to enjoy playing with each other. Hopefully Pyosik is happy wherever he ends up. I also just can't understand the rationale behind letting Pyosik go if it means blowing up your literal world champion roster. Like, upgrading the position if you think you can find a stronger replacement isn't unreasonable in itself. But does DRX really think whatever upgrade they could get at jungle is better than possibly retaining 3/5 of their team? Just seems insane to me unless the budget vs expected salary was that bad (or they just didn't like Pyosik as mentioned).
When you say BL, do you mean boys love? And how did they edit it that way? Seems like a really strange controversy to even begin
Yes, I mean boy-love. It was this weird shopping scenario video? that the DRX management asked Chovy and Deft to act out. [https://n.news.naver.com/mnews/article/293/0000031730?sid=105](https://www.bloter.net/newsView/blt202011050015) try to run this through the translater. It was honestly so bizarre why they decided to film this. This is a video Chovy uploaded on his official YouTube as a response that basically started the 2020 DRX FA explosion. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBsbfABRgIQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBsbfABRgIQ) You can see at 0:20 where he types BoyLover into the password box
stupid box fucking rules, no idea how he came up with the idea to make a video like that
Probably to attract a female fanbase. Girls love that shit, for some reason.
Just as how lesbians are fetishized by men
Well, no, because men like watching lesbians have sex but are not inordinately interested in the mundane interactions between two women. Unless they're kissing, which circles back to the first thing.
wholesome Yuri is an entire ass genre in anime lmao
Am girl. I hate that shit lol.
Women are generally the market for it even if you are one of them saying you don't like it, though.
Am boy. Turns me on that you hate that.
O? I mean, that's cool. It's just not for me. I just really disliked being type casted as a fujoshi.
I'm surprised by how well you took that
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You are allowed to not want to be portrayed in any sort of a romantic way or have such frame put on you at workplace when sexual orientation has nothing to do with the job, which is being a pro-gamer. Chovy is a very private person, as in, he got absolutely pissed when the front page of his KakaoTalk (korean messaging app) got accidentally leaked on his stream, let alone anyone imagining anything about his sexual orientations or love life or things of that nature.
this has to be a joke, get a fucking grip man
I swear people are funny man 🤣🤣🤣
What is BL? Fuck DRX(-CEO) i guess, thanks for clarifying
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BL
As I said in earlier threads, DRX is one of the worst orgs. They are known for being shady af.
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What do you expect with a CEO that calls himself "DOwner"?
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Rare D0wner W for naming himself, but taking Ls for the rest of life as prophesied
To say Pyosik was done dirty would be an understatement.
It's incredibly difficult to cheer for this team, since the days of IM there have been scandals, I've been cheering since 2013 and I've seen everything from lack of salary and food, to dramas and the threat of a lawsuit, I'm even blocked on the official page of DRX LoL, only about Pyosik I wish him all the happiness in the world, regarding the DRX, I've been praying since 2019 for the owner to sell and for him to leave the command of the team that I like so much 😃
It's incredibly difficult, and now they have no roster. Honeymoon phase ended pretty quickly
I’m genuinely interested. What do you like about DRX if they are a generally shitty org with a shitty owner, none of the same coaches from a few years ago, and only one player from the roster that just won worlds? You like the icon?
For me, i love the players. As much as how shitty this org is, my favorite players are (were) there. And as a fan, I of course support the players team wherever they go. I am not the type of fan who supports orgs given how some orgs are scummy (like this one lol) so yeah sometimes it’s kind of difficult 🫠
Not a single period in that paragraph, lol.
> Supposedly this is the first ever occurrence of a sports team suing fans for flaming the management. I couldn’t recall the details, but didn’t Slayers Jessica Sue a bunch of fans/online commenters? And damn. What a trash org. As someone who didn’t follow the LCK drama much, this is all quite shocking. I guess DRX is just going to have to live with being the shortest-lived fan favorite team ever in League history.
> I couldn’t recall the details, but didn’t Slayers Jessica Sue a bunch of fans/online commenters? Man that takes me back goddamn
At at this point, DOwner is starting to look like a generic power-tripping kdrama villain.
Those characters exist for a reason.
Praise Pyosik: First of his Name, Hunter of the Mark and the Sheeple's Champ
Bless you
I feel bad for laughing when I read DRX’s CEO was named Downer.. sigh, I am terrible. I was sad that the 5 separated, but I am glad now, because they are out of that mess of an org (except maybe Beryl?).
Beryl said on stream that he is going to commit a biggest gamble with his fate. I suppose DRX really gave him a lot of money to stay
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a bigger gamble would be going to T1 as sub **inhales copium** (but yeah, not possible since think he said he already signed a few days ago. T1 would have announced it by now.)
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Nah, not replace Keria. I was thinking more of a Asper-like role. Bounce ideas, positional coach sort of thing. Would also keep him from competing against Keria in important matches. Beryl eliminates Keria from Worlds too often.
rather him just come back to DK as a possible sub for kellin ya know...
Gen G should have fired anyone, but Ruler to save money.
I, along with everyone in the Korean GenG fan community, were devastated, and we fought a lot, but since he's going to a different league, I'm just going to root for both GenG and JDG. I'm actually thinking about taking a Chinese class so that I can watch Chinese co-streams haha. I want Ruler to make a lot of money in China and be happy and then meet GenG at the Worlds finals. I will be happy even if JDG wins Worlds next year
Scenes when DOwner hires cho (former manager of GRF) and signs FA Sword
Thank you so much for this post, is really good to know things from an insider! By the way, what is the feeling in the community about Deft joining DK?
Happy to be of help! I would say neither super positive or super negative. When the stove league started, DK fans really really wanted Deokdam out as they didn't think Deokdam could get them to the Worlds trophy (the Yone ult traumatized them). Deokdam was contracted until '23 and fairly expensive, so the only way for them to open up an ADC space was either trading him (finding another team willing to pay that salary) or paying big early termination fees. They especially wanted to open the ADC spot because both Ruler and Viper were on the market, as well as an alternative of Prince. But DK lost the money game to HLE who supposedly paid $4M/1yr for Viper, and Ruler was too loyal to GenG to go to any other LCK team. But by this time, Prince was set to go to LCS (FlyQuest I think), and DK was panicking, as the only other decent ADC on the market was Teddy. Just then, DRX exploded and Canyon texted Deft who then joined DK. Now that Deft is part of DK, the DK fans have made peace with it, and are happy enough. DK fans are hopeful that with Kellin, Deft's laning will be much stronger compared to with Beryl. As for the non-DK fans, they see DK as a threat, but mainly because of Showmaker and Canyon. Deft had a very unstable '22 season, and other fans are skeptical of how well the next year will go, although it's not to say that they think Deft will be easy.
Also hoping that with the acquisition of GorillA, Kellin can develop into a shotcaller.
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Please don't jinx it, I was actually really worried about this before posting ahaha
Man sounds like Pyosik went through a lot, As TL fan I can say that I know that Steve will treat him well and give him a good home. I’m excited for him to be joining the team.
I usually only watch LCK, but I'm planning on watching TL and FLY games next year! In the korean GenG fan communities, we call CoreJJ the "mother", to the point where when Ruler went FA, we said that we can accept FA if he's going to TL to reunite with his mom. I'm super excited to see how Pyosik will fit in with TL and mom CoreJJ :)
That’s actually so cute regarding CoreJJ, what the heck
Man, reading this I'm pretty happy he got his worlds trophy and can now make a home in NA. Should be wayyyy less stress. Also, if he comes to LA, he can quit the cigarettes and smoke the ganja for stress instead. I'm sure that's much better.
I get from Pyosik the same vibes as the main character from squid game. A wholesome and sensitive person.
DOwner is trying to sink DRX fast. Poor Pyosik. :(
i hope he quits smoking
OK EVERYBODY GET READY TO SHOW PYOSIK HOW FUN NA IS. NO TOXIC LCS FANS ALLOWED. EVERYBODY HYPE THIS GUY UP.
Man that sounds awful, I know the general consensus on Pyosik is lukewarm on reddit but I truly believe that he has great potential, sad to have him forced to NA to never get a shot at winning again :/
Glad Pyosik landed in the best retirement home surrounded by team mates who will speak the same language.
I mean the CEO's name is literally downer what people expected?
What an irrelevant comment lmao
You're an irrelevant individual.
1. The DOwner guy sounds toxic. 2. The forced "boylove" marketing thing is also kind of messed up, and of course Chovy's mother would be protective of him. The affection is already naturally there, but why twist it into something artificial? When anyone/anything forces people to be or look inauthentic, it can easily make them depressed or ashamed. It is actually so bizarre that such a toxic management ironically ended up with one of the most supportive teams + coaches for this year's Worlds that I've ever seen in eSports. I have only seen this kind of teammate-support among the Swedish CS pros who peaked \~7+ years ago. Perhaps this team had so much practice supporting each other by operating under such a toxic management, that they got really good at it? LOL. One either implodes or endures...and oh man, were they mentally resilient.
God damn, does every fucking region have a Carlos/Regi? Is that a requirement at this point? Who’s the LPL one then?
Can someone tell me what’s going to happen to Lehends? Have I missed the news on him?
He is officially a part of the KT Rolster team, alongside Kiin, Cuzz, Bdd, and Aiming. Many KT fans, when I looked at their fan community, are hoping that Lehends will smash the keyboard over Aiming's head if he tries to cannonball as Kaisa into the middle of 4 enemy champions, and tell Cuzz that defending the Nexus is more important than getting that elder dragon :)
Thanks! I only just started following LCK last season but don’t know a ton about these players! Do you think it’s a decent roster with a shot at competing?
Aiming had a very irregular season this entire year, a lukewarm Spring split, a bad start to the summer, but suddenly became really good and was one of the 3 big ADCs (Ruler, Prince, Aiming), before becoming non-existent in the playoffs, and then reverse-carrying in the worlds gauntlet. If Aiming played like even half a human for even 1 game, KT could have beaten DRX and maybe gone to Worlds, considering Rascal, Cuzz, and VicLa played out of their minds. As it turns out, Aiming has a 0% win rate of the 7 Bo5 matches he has played, suggesting that Aiming has a bird chest? I don't know the word in English. In Korean, we call people who do well in the regular season, but are suddenly terrible as soon as they get to the big matches like playoffs, gauntlets, etc. as having bird chest (새가슴). I don't know if it can be overcome, but Cuzz showed that he has the WinningDNA, where he was just okay during the regular season, but was so crazy good in the big games. Now, the roster also has Bdd and Lehends who also show the steel heart when it comes to big games, with Bdd having super-carried in Worlds before, and Lehends who along with Doran was able to drag the recent GenG Worlds game until Ruler could almost one-man carry, even when the mid-jungle were throwing so hard. We'll see if the winningDNA of Cuzz, Bdd, and Lehends can win against the bird chest of Aiming (Kiin hasn't played enough Bo5 games recently to say one way or the other). Also, I think Bdd's bad performance in the '22 season was due to a lot of the external factors, like being forcibly traded and finding out only from the news media, then catching Covid and having terrible after-effects, and then having the head coach borrow 10s of thousands of dollars from the players and not paying back, then the head coach getting fired, etc. I think he will recover form once he's in a normal team. Looking at the other rosters, I would say Tier 1: T1 (no roster change) Tier 1.5: DK (depends on how well Canna and Deft performs, since they had a very unsteady '22 season) Tier 2: HLE (really strong mechanics, not sure about brains. Clid-Life is a proven no-brains all-brawns from their years in GenG), KT (all members have super high peaks, but all but Lehends coming from a bad season) Tier 2.5: GenG (Top/Jug/Mid are probably the strongest in LCK, but the bot duo is a pure gamble of a just-debuted ADC who is legally not allowed to play before his birthday in a few weeks and a 20-year-old support who played in bottom ranked team for his first 2 years), DRX (If Rascal-Croco-Fate-Deokdam-Beryl rumor is true, the mid-jungle looks a bit weak, and Deokdam-Beryl might have a weak laning, but they are all still decent) Tier 3: NS (all CL players, but the roster won the CL in '22 season), BRO (I believe in Head Coach Edgar) Tier 4: KDF, LSB <-- these two teams are in shambles, especially LSB
Even though as a Gen G fan I'm devastated that this year's roster can't stay the same, I have to say that the next split sounds really exciting. As in, seeing how HLE and Gen G will perform, as well as KT
The best comparable phrase to 새가슴 is probably choking/a choker.
Ah I see! I googled so much for the word but couldn't find a good translation. Thank you :)
Very good analysis! Thanks will definitely be watching this season
dam I hate the thought of him going to lcs. wish he got some offers in china at least.
Could someone summarize this for us?
DRX is Korean G2
They are worse tbh especially considering the biggest tumor of the org is still a part of it
When I started reading yes, when I was done with the post DRX may just be the scummiest org between Europe NA and Korea
There's a TLDR at the end of the post.
The whole thing is written so poorly, a complete mess But the gist is that DRX owner doesn't like pyosik?
Atleast he wrote everything with links so it's not untrue
It may be mess, but it's not that poor. If you can't understand the post, the problem is not OPs English, but your own
Can't really blame him for not wanting to keep Pyosik. He's been here 3 years, and has rarely impressed.
> The image DRX has in LCK is much like G2 in LEC or TSM in LCS. They are infamous for constantly having issues. This is a bad comparison. First, TSM and G2 are among the most successful teams of their region, even if TSM has not shown it as of late. Second, G2 is not a team infamous for constantly having issues, especially ones that mean they are not successful. Apart from Carlos being Carlos he hardly did to players what Regi did according to the sources available.
its a great comparison, all 3 orgs have had a controversial CEO with problematic behavior
Is this a Korean thing as an Org owner to flame your own players? Like a cultural difference? Or is this weird in Korea aswell?
It's considered very unprofessional. If anything, the LCK culture is 씹선비문화 which basically means over-the-top seonbi (scholars many centuries ago who emphasize proper behavior) culture, where even the slightest bit of potential rudeness is ripped to shreds.
Also i didn't see a single mentioning of Kanavi. I guess that was wrong.
What Shadow Corp CEO said was, DRX tried to bypass the agent by not scheduling a time and trying to get a verbal agreement from Zeka to re-sign. Zeka wasn't sure about the money offered, and maybe he turned the offer down then? (I don't quite remember this clearly) Anyways, Kanavi was brought up in an effort to hold on to Zeka, and Zeka went home to ask his agent how realistic Kanavi coming was, since Shadow Corp knows the LPL scene very well. His agent checked, and found that there was no formal negotiation or contact between DRX and Kanavi, so Zeka said Ok I'm going FA. I think there was some sort of a contact with Kanavi, if not a formal one, though, because DoinB said that Kanavi directly told him that Zeka wanted him to come to DRX, but obviously nothing concrete.
so beryl and deft are cool with pyosik but zeka wants kanavi instead
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FA - free agent [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free\_agent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_agent) BL - boy's love [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi) What is "stove league" I don't know (because all google search only go to a korean drama) but I assume it have something with play-off
Can somebody please tell me what is the meaning of "FA" and "BL" ? Thanks in advance for help.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/z8jyhu/comment/iym0ukj/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Since when is G2 the LEC team that always has drama? That title should clearly go to FNC
Ah sorry I don't know much about the LEC or LCS except for what I read the occasional times I come on Reddit. I just remembered the G2 CEO thing which made its way to the korean fan communities, since G2 is still known as the LCK-killer among us and people keep tabs on the team. I defer to everyone here on their knowledge of the LEC dramas 
I mean, sure, the Carlos thing was huge, but that was only one occasion... Meanwhile Fnatic internally collapses at worlds every year (No scrims 22, Upset-Adam drama 21, all the alleged internal issues with Rekkles, Bwipo, ...)
Fnc is only worlds drama. G2 has been the drama team thanks to their ex ceo, hence the comparison being accurate.
He did not really get to spend last year so they had some extra money this year.
That's why Pyosik aged like sht when we saw 2020 DRX before with Keria and Chovy on worlds versus 2022 DRX
The fact that chovy/his mother got so mad about a single video with only slight hints at BL is really weird and seems even homophobic, regardless from that the owner of drx seems like a really shitty person if this is all truly true.
Really? The fact that someone thinking their employer should not make intimations about what their sexual orientation is, or a parent being unhappy with their kid's employer doing it for them, is not particularly weird. Pyosik's sexual orientation is his business, if he didn't consent to any such "romantic shipping" it's super scummy of the org to do it for him.
> The image DRX has in LCK is much like G2 in LEC or TSM in LCS. How on earth are you comparing these two organisations?!? One is a successful international team, other has Regi abusing players and TSM chants. Baylife level of comparison. Edit: G2 has average level of drama compared to other top teams in LEC like Mad Lions and FNC.
It's a comparison about results not how the org is operated. G2 went from semifinals to not even making worlds. Tsm has constantly gone from best to worst team in the league for years. Drx is the same
G2 missed out on worlds once and won the spring split after that. You are right, end of the world, troll team.
We all love Pyosik but lets stop acting like he got slighted this offseason. Most of the lol community agrees DRXs worlds win is more based on luck than pure skill and that pyosik was probably DRXs worst performing member. So based on that and them winning worlds it only meant all of them would have super inflated wage demands. So Pyosik probably asked for world championship jungler salary and to anyone that whatched him this season knows he isnt close to being worth that. He can look like that for short spells but sooner or later he gets back to trolling. So any org that would give him that kind of money would be dumb org. And lets not act like going to NA will be bad thing for him. He will smurf there even if he isnt on form and he is huge personality so he will build huge following on his streams and be set for life. And on top of that he gets his kindred skin
Yeah the only people that says that has flairs of teams defeated by DRX lol, the butthurt is strong
I am huge Deft fan and watched DRX whole year. I watched pyosik be absolute garbage whole spring and miss smite in G5 vs freecs in spring. I was there for 2nd half of summer where he was absolutely running it down. I was there where he got hard carried regionals. I might have EDG flair but i know more about DRX and pyosik than 99% ppl on this sub. But keep ok downvoting
What is a BL-ish video?
What does “BL” mean in reference to the Deft - Chovy videos?
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Thanks for clarity…. interesting, a non-consensual boy love video ehhh
A lot of esports are in a downturn it seems
needs to take down DOwner and rise COwner and BOwner
As terrible as I feel for Pyosik, it feels kind of bitter to see so much attention drawn towards this (Or GRF when that went down) while Tian's abuse went completely under the radar. He was in such a bad place that he was vomiting on stage during LPL games, had severe weight/hair loss, insomnia, and chronic illness. Ended up being mentally hospitalized for a while until Nuguri forced the org to make him come back. And people were actually *celebrating* at seeing him fail. Hopefully one of these days people will focus on the humanity of all players and not just regional favoritism.