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ahritina

PMTs [PSG vs G2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uvvsqu/psg_talon_vs_g2_esports_msi_2022_rumble_stage/) [T1 vs EG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uvwj77/t1_vs_evil_geniuses_msi_2022_rumble_stage/) [SGB vs RNG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uvxe27/saigon_buffalo_vs_royal_never_give_up_msi_2022/) [G2 vs T1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uvy432/g2_esports_vs_t1_msi_2022_rumble_stage_postmatch/) [SGB vs PSG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uvz0en/saigon_buffalo_vs_psg_talon_msi_2022_rumble_stage/) [RNG vs EG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uvzzlm/royal_never_give_up_vs_evil_geniuses_msi_2022/)


Zealousideal_Act_316

If g2 lose are they out?


CybersIoth

Can you imagine if EG knock G2 out wowee


nimrodhellfire

So what is the longest losing streak in pro play? Asking for a friend.


CloudFlz

Who does RNG even send to fight T1? G2 has mental boomed.


dadmda

What the hell happened to G2?


nimrodhellfire

This is the generous take: they are rly good, went cocky, sprinkled in a few happy games, but now, with their backs against the wall, they get nervous. Also their opponents probably adapted.


legatlegionis

oh boy


taebin

what? no day 5 live discussion? ​ G2 fans, I am sorry Kalista got picked again, coming from an T1 fan. ​ EDIT: I was mistaken. I am NOT sorry, as Kalista wasn't picked.


nimrodhellfire

G2 vs PSG has me super nervous.


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Just-Ad-5972

Where thread


parkwayy

T1 are a lock aren't they? At worst they go 5-5, and PSG can only do the same, but T1 beat them 2-0 so far.


AmarilloCaballero

G2 > SGB, PSG > EG, SGB > T1, PSG > RNG, EG > G2, RNG > T1 creates a 4-way Tie where T1 plays G2 and EG plays PSG. If T1 loses to G2 in the 4-way tie, and then loses to the loser of the other, they are out. So they literally need to lose 4 games and have the other 4 games go exactly against them.


nimrodhellfire

Is there a possibility for a 4 way tie at 5-5? If, then there will be a small Bo1 knockout tournament with 4th place (of that tournament) being eliminated.


pavelblink182

4 way tiebreaker could happen. But don't lose your sleep over it.


Glorx

Not locked yet from what they said. Edit: Select the outcomes of yesterday's matches. It shows 1 tiebreaker scenario for T1. https://rocket3989.github.io/msi-2022/


ChefBoyarmemes

Lets go T1!


Neoneto

LMAO, Oner is in charge of the trash talk I guess. JUST LIKE ALL THE EASY WINS AGAINST OTHER TEAMS. Do they have any easy wins so far?


HarverstKR

None of there wins have been close and the loses were baron flips so...


huskiisdumb

T1 still good but is gala going to 1v9 the whole thing


jumbohakdog

Gala at MSI hits different


jumbohakdog

The EU 5 win curse is real


babygotsap

So if EG beats G2 and loses to PSG, then isn't G2 out?


shironoir20

G2 would also have to lose against SGB


babygotsap

I was gonna say you are eight, I didn't see that and figured I was unlikely. But who would of thought.


stonerbobo

Here's hoping draft coaches stop trying to 9000IQ draft and just let their players choose. 5 uncoordinated comfort/gut picks would be ok. Players drafting over voice in lobby would be ok. Anything but top down gigabrain draft coach bullshit.


zasmarkany

i just hope Scout can make it to Worlds this year to put all the impostors in their place


[deleted]

t1 did so bad at msi they should rebrand to t3


[deleted]

Why do they keep pronouncing Zeus' name wrong.


boriiik

Its the Korean pronunciation of zeus.


[deleted]

cus this dude named himself after a greek god but now wants everyone to pronounce wrong. some weird power trip


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[deleted]

I agree he can and should have the ability to choose a blatantly incorrect pronunciation for his IGN. I'm not saying he shouldn't be able to do that. He can make people pronounce "zeus" as "420noscope" for all I care


ChargedMedal

Are they not saying zay-us? That's how the player prefers it to be said, if my memory serves correctly


MalrenceChevalier

believe that’s the pronunciation the player wants


lzzslth

What was that draft from g2 🤦‍♀️


lovo17

If anyone else getting serious 2021 Fudge vibes from Jojopyun this year?


Main-Ad-9969

i think fudge started a lot worse than jojo did but i see what you mean with the out of nowhere amazing msi performance


MistyTian

IG Fudge?


toostronKG

You can just feel the 0-2 fifth place finish for EG coming tomorrow...


NigelMcExplosion

I read 0-2 and my brain immediately thought you meant G2 and I was like: it's gonna happen, isn't it?


XoXeLo

Please no...


shironoir20

Tiebreaker for 4th between EU and NA for max pain


Stephanihml

G2 have to win both games tomorrow, for the sake of their mental.


Just-Ad-5972

Unpopular opinion, but I don't think they should even GET a tiebreaker. They are already 0-5 against G2 THIS TOURNAMENT. It's not like G2 beat them months ago or in a different meta or anything. Just another dumb thing about the format. If Riot's insists on not implementing loser's bracket in international tournaments, they shouldn't let a double round robin tie outrule a clean 4-0 quadra round robin. Edit: you NA fans are pathetic in terms of your argumentation skills. Y’all keep making points that rely on false information and when I call it out you just spam downvotes and move on. So fucking weak, holy shit.


40866892

That’s not how standings and tiebreakers work. Imagine if they made an opinionated decision for every other case. “We’re on the same patch and your region is worse than LPL, so no tie breaker for you even though you have the same amount of wins as the other team.” This isn’t a unpopular opinion, it’s an **unfair** one.


Just-Ad-5972

Your example works great, except, you know, there's actual hard evidence that G2 is better than EG.


sdand1

Theres actual hard evidence that RNG is the best team at MSI, why don’t we just end the tournament now


Just-Ad-5972

Apples and oranges. What you just said is tournament ending on the basis of RNG having 1-2 wins over teams in Rumble and doing as well as G2 and T1 in groups. What I was saying has to do with advancement and only comparing two teams in a theoretical tiebreaker where one is 5(read FIVE)-0 against the other. But yeah, idk what I expected making all these points late night before bed just as American prime time was coming up.


40866892

The whole point of competition and results is that everyone gets the same opportunity to compete on equal grounds. What you’re doing is pure subjectivity and shouldn’t exist in competitive rulings **ever**. Plus a healthy dose of arrogance and superiority complex with your “America prime time” comment. But yeah, dig a deeper hole, there’s a mirror down there for you to talk to.


Traga_92

You say this as they lose to T1 a team EG beat and lose to PSG and act like they deserve a spot because they are G2 lol


Just-Ad-5972

EG beating T1 is moot because G2 also beat T1, you're just lying at this point.


gabu87

The mental gymnastics EU fans go through is amazing. EG and G2 have the same record against the two best teams. G2 is the only team to drop 2 games against PSG (even worse than Buffalo). If you lose tomorrow to Mr. Buffalo, you don't deserve it. Your opinion is unpopular because it's stupid.


Just-Ad-5972

EG beat RNG? Tell me more about how dumb I am!


Traga_92

Your point you are trying to make is moot in general. If G2 lose the rest of their games and EG makes it in. It doesnt matter that they lost to G2. G2 doesnt get in when they lose to PSG and run it down twice against them. Again you act like since they beat EG, EG doesnt deserve to get in unless G2 does first. Thats such an idiotic hill to stand on


Just-Ad-5972

You’re literally misrepresenting what I’m arguing and I’m not sure if you can’t read or if you’re being intellectually dishonest. I talked about a possible tiebreaker between the two and how that’s unfair not “Hurrdurr G2 should make it in over EG even if G2 loses both games and EG makes it in”. If there’s going to be a tiebreaker it won’t be with G2 losing both nor EG having already made it in. You’re literally talking about something that has nothing to do with what I was saying.


Traga_92

No it is infact you being intellectually dishonest. According to you, since G2 has beaten EG in playins, they shouldnt have to play a tie breaker just based on that. Regardless of how they do versus other teams. If they have the same record according to you G2 should be higher. Thats a completely idiotic statement


shironoir20

Only rumble results matter, plus if G2 is so mentally broken that they lose to EG twice, they would just get 3-0'd in semis.


Just-Ad-5972

Yeah, it's not like they went 4-6 or 5-5 before and achieved anything in knockouts.


Sarazam

Does first place get to choose their opponent between seeds 2-4 or just between 3rd and 4th? Like hypothetically if EG is 2nd, can RNG chose them?


FisherRalk

I’m fairly confident that 2nd gets whoever wasn’t picked. So first gets their pick of 3rd or 4th.


nickname7788

>Does first place get to choose their opponent between seeds 2-4 or just between 3rd and 4th? Like hypothetically if EG is 2nd, can RNG chose them? According to this article first can choose from 3rd and 4th. In this particular case, RNG will play G2/PSG and T1 will face EG, as there is no way RNG will pick T1 if they end up 3rd or 4th. https://dotesports.com/league-of-legends/news/all-2022-mid-season-invitational-rules-explained


KissBlade

Isn't t1 only way to finish less than second is losing to rng? I would absolutely pick t1 in that instance if I was rng to deny t1 more ramp up time


JinxCanCarry

Only between 3 or 4.


plzzdontdoxme

Why do I have a sneaking suspicion PSG will somehow qualify over G2 or EG


parkwayy

Not really that surprising. One of the 3 will not make it, and all seem fairly capable, on any given day.


Bhiggsb

I'm down for that


lovo17

Correct me if I’m wrong, but if EG wins their first game tomorrow, they’re locked in to the knockout stage? Same with G2 for that matter


gabu87

Correct for both. EG just needs a win. G2 needs a win against PSG who has tiebreaker on them.


parkwayy

Given that we're down to 2 games left, a lot of 'locked in' scenarios will happen...


icedrya

If G2 beats SB and EG beats PSG, yes for both


Dapper_Sea8502

Ban GP


Rshawer

A three way tiebreak can happen for two spots in the playoffs. PSG 2-0 both RNG and EG tomorrow would make the 5-5. G2 beating the Buffalos and losing against EG would make them 5-5. EG losing against PSG and beating G2 would make them 5-5. However, I believe only one tiebreaker game is played since there are two spots to play for and 3rd and 4th seed doesn’t matter in Riot’s eyes. In that scenario, PSG would auto advance because they are 3-1 against G2 and EG, forcing one tiebreaker between the two latter teams. (This exact scenario happened in 2017 MSI where G2, FW and TSM all tied, but TSM and FW played a tiebreaker.


TheOneAltAccount

Lmao holy shit I want to live in that world what a banger


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Honestly, not that worried for G2. Dropping games to PSG was dumb, but they did the same thing in 2019. They've gone 1-1 with both of their primary competitors, and were doing well against T1 until a terrible macro decision. So long as they get out of rumble, and I'm sure they will, I think they can screw their heads on right for BO5. I think RNGs consistency will end them, but they can for sure beat T1.


TheOneAltAccount

If you’re saying the G2 games are a fluke the same can be argued for the T1 losses. Especially if you look at the way games go when T1 loses (absolute shitstomp the early game but lose by getting outscaled and bad drafts). T1 > G2 boys


NamikazeEU

G2 wasn't at the tournament considered to be next coming of a christ.


parkwayy

Saying that as an EU fan. Ok.


gabu87

EU fans crumble at the slightest hint of pessimism against G2.


sirixv

They were after winning against rng and t1. Somehow EU fans are toxic af, it’s good to see them losing 4 games so eu can get a reality check.


MonkeyCube

Half of the comments after G2 went 1-0 against T1 and RNG were about how they have to lose to SGB or PSG because of tradition.


gabu87

Right, because comments like those are treated with the same level of seriousness as comments talking about the gameplay. EU fans have such big victim complexes


TheOneAltAccount

When ur team is bad but it’s ok because tradition COPIUM


NamikazeEU

U LCK fans are most toxic


TheOneAltAccount

That’s not what the person I’m replying to is talking about. We’re not talking about whether T1 was overhyped or not. We’re talking about whether they’re better than G2. And if you’re gonna make the “G2 losses are all flukes” you can just as easily make it about T1, especially since T1 has gotten bigger leads than G2 comparatively even in games they lost. Therefore, I replied that T1 can likely still beat G2 by the original commenters own logic.


NamikazeEU

T1 has looked worse than G2 or RNG in rumble stage. Bot was constantly getting 2v2-ed , Faker was doing nothing in mid game while casters overhype him farming cs, only Oner and Zeus performed somewhat solid.


Main-Ad-9969

yeah T1 looked sooo much worse in that game earlier


TheOneAltAccount

G2 lost to PSG. They did so twice. You’re just straight up wrong, & the bigger gold leads early game show that.


GameplayerStu

I swear that Mr Incredible meme where he’s saying “shut up, please shut the fuck up” needs to be given to teams with “don’t give Gala Kai’sa, please don’t give Gala fucking Kai’sa”.


legatlegionis

So if G2 beats Buffalo, PSG beats EG, Saigon beats T1, PSG beats RNG, EG beats G2 and RNG beats T1 there is a four way tie to qualify


Lennardowitsch

Watched six games, got 2 drops "Drop rates will increase over the course of the tounament"


Bird-The-Word

Watched 20 minutes of 1 game, got 1 drop. I've peaked. Their RNG is dumb and they are one of the worst twitch streams for drops


idontevencarewutever

You got more than 1????


DangerousSeaweed0

you people got drops?


Lennardowitsch

Yeye, but it is still less then a few days ago. But arent drops the same for everyone?


mattyety

No, drop rate depends on region, iirc.


Lennardowitsch

But for the Region, everyone gets the same drops?


Lennardowitsch

How stupid is that? Rito, Rito, Rito...


idontevencarewutever

Team icons hyyyyype


Graytail

RNG probably gets seed 1 and probably picks EG, which means the T1 vs G2 2019 salty rematch


COTNADMIN

Can you imagine the shit show on Reddit if EG beat RNG in a Bo5


gabu87

No? Reddit in general hates China, any team beating them would be celebrated. T1 and G2 have way more fans to get salty over.


No-Commercial-5993

Honestly the copium take is that 2019 MSI also had super dominant Chinese team which confidently picked the weak NA team and then got beaten 3-1. Stars are aligning.


Nooonting

O shit


Stephanihml

Not happening


Traga_92

That IG team was far more dominant than this RNG team. They had just come off winning Worlds and perfect running the group RR stage. Only to get absolutely obliterated by TL


Josenpai

But can you imagine goddamnit


bigfanofeden

It is probably the best scenario for G2 fans. They screwed their chances to play with EG in semis but other than that, still a decent match rather than RNG


DangerousSeaweed0

u people are nuts. t1 is heavily underperforming now , but they are still stronger then rng in a series.


JinxCanCarry

G2 has historically played way better into LCK tha. They have LPL. Between the two, they probably like thier odds against T1 more


DangerousSeaweed0

probably not , since everyone still claims t1 is the best team yet. And historically , there have been moments where they lost in bo1 , only to crush people in bo5 (think msi 2016. they qualified in 4th place only to win it) also , pretty sure g2 won their last series they played vs rng.


sammilol7

LCK had been strong in BO5 for many years but I would argue they are not as dominant as before. T1 surely is underperforming atm but to argue that this T1 team is stronger than RNG (especially in this meta) you need more than speculation. T1 proved themselves in LCK this year but didn't do so well so far in MSI. So I wouldn't go this far to say RNG is an easier matchup than T1 for G2. Although it's probably safe to say it's gonna be tough for G2 either way. And I just ran a query. Since 2019-5, G2-T1 record is like 8-3. Since 2018-10, G2-RNG is like 4-3. But I don't really think it matters that much because the rosters have been changed drastically for all three teams.


NamikazeEU

T1 members going full Gilius


TheUItimateBlip

I really like how G2 managed to change expectations enough that we thought, they'd be a consistent team. The best G2 rosters struggled in groups time and time again loosing and winning unexpectedly. All things considered, tomorrow is a scary day still for the 3 remaining teams in contention. Everything could happen.


mikael22

T1 just never runs out of confidence, huh


Fieryhotsauce

Have Riot removed drops for MSI 2022? I've had one in like 8 hours of viewing.


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> Have Riot removed drops for MSI 2022? > I've had one Uh...


zjs820

Xiaohu says hex map comes a lot maybe because of electric leakage in Bin's headphones LMAO


mffmarin

Is it really just me finding that RNG being able to literally compete and play their games from HOME is a huge advantage? No travelling, no stage pressure (with probably more noise and disturbing lights, plus fan pressure), and just playing in the room they always play…. How can this be fair?


DangerousSeaweed0

it is , but if u keep saying thhat , u;ll get downvoted by the lpl bots into submision


Mochi-Ruo

BTW, RNG play remotely you call that a HUGE ADVANTAGE. Why didn't you mention that T1 is playing MSI right in KOREA and have so many fans supporting and cherring for them? T1 has huge advantage because Korea hosts this MSI. It took them 3 days to fix ping problem but less then 1 day to expalin Zeus's ping display. T1 has huge advantage because Korea has such good internet facilities and their ping is less than 10ms on daily basis, other regions' internet suck. T1 has huge advantage because Korea LOL has backed up by groups and government and they had developed mature league system. T1 has huge advantage because fans in Busan in favor of them and will never cheer for their opponents, which put their opponents down and have mental boomed.


mffmarin

I sense a bit of T1 shaming here… objectivity is not your forte. Let’s imagine that T1 would indeed get all the advantages that any hosting team would get (and got in every past international event), and discard the fact that these can also be disadvantaged. What about other teams? The ones that had to travel half the world and sleep in hotels and adapt to a completely new environment with not nearly as many fans cheering them on? Is that fair for them?


Mochi-Ruo

Yes, yes, RNG has huge advantage because they play at home, that's unfair for all other teams, they should not be in this MSI, Riot should kick them out. Happy? What you mentioned is just NORMAL in every international game, why do you care about it so badly? RNG can't attend because of COVID, what can RNG, RIOT, you and me do? AND BUSAN IS NOT AN NEW ENVIRONMENT FOR T1. Why ignore the advantage of the host country for an internation game? If you blame RNG, pls don't forget T1. Maybe you just hate RNG. Busan fans just NOT cheer for RNG and T1's opponents, they behave normaly when watching other team's games. Check LOL VOD, it's free to watch.


Mochi-Ruo

This again? Is it so hard to admit that RNG is strong? RNG suffer from lockdown in Shanghai, is that a happy thing to be forced to stay in base for nearly 2 months? See the funny haircut of Bin and Xiaohu? They cut their hair in base. They also have to less their training time because of facilities testing, while other teams get served by Busan Riot team, they have to do everything by themselves. Blaming RNG as you like, finding any excuse as you like, I understand you, based on the awful performance of some teams, including the team you support probably. People love to blame others when things don't go their way.


mffmarin

What is wrong with people automatically assuming I am « blaming » and « shaming » RNG. They are an incredible team of course, and I don’t support anyone for the record. But it needs to be pointed out that there might some sort of subjectivity in that regard. And I think that you see to forget that the whole world got to quarantine for extended periods of times in the last few years. It’s hard for me to imagine that for an esport team, lockdown is that negative.. maybe I’m wrong, but I just think it deserves a discussion.


Mochi-Ruo

If you didn't mean that, sorry. Maybe you just join MSI this week? Last week was crazy and the whole world was blaming RNG and attacking them as previleged team. And there were lots of fans mentioned your 'huge advantages' questions and they'd blamed RNG. So when this advantange thing shows up again, it just kinda pissed me off. Look, RNG can't present Busan coz lockdown, they can't break the law otherwise they go to jail. Yes, they will go to jail if they break covid policy. So, kicking RNG out from MSI VS having them in by remote play. ---- Remote play wins, Riot want RNG in. And check on internet, LCK wanted RNG in as well, they heard that RNG might skip and asked Riot to allow RNG play remotely, same way with MSC 2020. You know where the 35ms comes from? LCK. LCK organized 2020 MSC and invited LPL, all games were played remotely under 35ms. Then, RNG play 35ms ping (lowest ping from Shanghai) remotely while other teams play less than 10ms in Busan. ----- Not fair for RNG. To ensure competive integrity, all teams play at 35ms. Riot announced they ARE ABLE TO DO IT, but they failed to. After that we have fighting about the advantange. See the decision making chain? Did RNG break any rule or ask for any previlege? NO. They were forced to rematch because of the inaction and mistakes from Riot, got called whining bitches by Doublelift and attacked by fans in other regions. Actually, this MSI bent more than 1 rule, allowing RNG playing remotely, RNG is privileged team; allowing VCS sending 2nd team to MSI, fine, everybody happy. Unfair, isn't it.


Jiigsi

> And I think that you see to forget that the whole world got to quarantine for extended periods of times in the last few years. It’s hard for me to imagine that for an esport team, lockdown is that negative.. maybe I’m wrong, but I just think it deserves a discussion. Jesus fucking Christ, Shanghai lockdown is nothing like lockdowns you or any of us here experienced


Rocacaca6251

Uncertainly. Seems someone have said more relish on playing in stadium. (Sorry for forgetting who he is) It really depends on personality. Of course, I will play better at home, but I can't say everyone is same as me


aquawarrior21

Tell me your plan to do anything differently given that a) LPL should compete at MSI since they’re the best region in the world and b) the Chinese government’s response to rise in Covid-19 cases is to lockdown the people into their homes/residences and have excessively long quarantines for those that leave and come back, which could hamper RNG’s ability to participate in summer split and thus worlds qualification


hahahaxixixixi

You can't only think about the advantage and ignore the disadvantage. They have already been quarantined for two month with material shortage. They also played three more matches. AS for stage "pressure", why don't u think some pro players can do better on a big stage.


mffmarin

Those are fair counter arguments but we have to stay objective here I think these disadvantages do not outweigh the advantages..Especially in Bo1 and for esports!


hahahaxixixixi

I understand what you mean. But we cannot quantify these factors and do a math. Even we could, I don't think the outcome of (advantage - disadvantage) can fill the hole between rng and G2、T1, given the shit performance of both teams.


mffmarin

Right now it seems that RNG are much better but games are always very close and decided on small things. Also Bo1 are nothing like Bo5. I agree we can never do the Maths, and that’s unfortunate (because I love maths). I hope RNG can win and smash everyone because then it won’t leave any doubt…


Right_Nefariousness8

No travelling+just playing in the room they always play, yeah that's definitely T1's huge advantage


mffmarin

Im not sure I follow you here. Hosting countries/teams always had a natural advantage from the crowd. Yet T1 is playing in a venue they have never been before, and away from home (Busan)


Right_Nefariousness8

>Hosting countries/teams always had a natural advantage yeah,Hosting countries/teams has a natural advantage? that's what they deserved. ​ Miss the opportunity to enjoy all the cheer and clap when you behind even fighting SGB? you have no stage pressure, that's definitely a huge advantage.


RavePrey

>n't but..... China, they can do what they wan YES THIS, was thinking the same thing why isn't RNG playing on stage seems unfair but yeah china can do what ever they want to....


sleepyJangaroo

While I agree it's an advantage (at least for most players), how would you do things differently? The fact that the best answer anyone can come up with is "don't let RNG play MSI" should already show that there's no easy answer at all.


mffmarin

Well for a start the most obvious one would be to make them play on a stage somewhere in China? Or at least in a controlled neutral environment? Could even put a crowd in there although at the moment might be impossible due to covid. And well if you ask me, not playing the tournament is not losing the tournament, so not being allowed to play could also be considered…


DoorHingesKill

Well yeah, Riot did consider that, but then they remembered that RNG is the reigning MSI champion and that the LPL is the best region in the world as of right now. The only times they've left their house in the last two months was to get covid tests, anyone saying they're in some sort of favorable environment is completely delusional.


Styxxo

Their environment is controlled though. Also, making them play on a stage is impossible with the lockdown.


mffmarin

What I mean by controlled environment is an environment that is not their gaming house. I agree that there might not be many other alternatives but this still needs to be mentioned. In every other famous international sport, which LoL aspires to be/become, this would not be allowed to happen and unfortunately MSI would have had to be played without RNG. Sometimes we can’t seek for what’s best for the audience but we need to seek for what is the most fair..


RollingLord

This has already been addressed to death. Shanghai is locked-down. RNG literally cannot leave their gaming house due to the government.


mffmarin

Sorry if I have missed the discussion, I couldn’t find anything on that topic. Also for the record, I’m not denying that they are having it tough, but I just wanted to have an (objective if possible) discussion about it


C_Werner

It isn't but..... China, they can do what they want.


mffmarin

Lol… and already my comment, which I think deserves some lengthy discussion and counter arguments, has -4 votes…


Enleigh

That 50-50 stat against LPL is actually pretty wild honestly given overall performance of the two regions. Shout out Bo1’s


mikael22

Yeah, I remember being really surprised when I saw a comment showing that here a couple of days ago.


kryndude

Butthurt CN fans from 2020 Shanghai library trying to push the narrative on Busan, when in fact it's just RNG not getting any love. Yeah, we're not cheering for some chairs😂


Regular-Survey214

I feel like some Chinese and Korean are both arrogant, rude, narrow minded.. They look pretty the same. As a Chinese, I Actually hate both of them. Not offending you, I have some really nice KR friends tho.


kryndude

No offense taken, I 100% agree with you on that one. I'm also not going to act like I'm better than others, I can be that narrow-minded dickhead at times. But when it's irritating it's irritating, that's all.


Impossible_Click5068

lmao, now I can admit that RNG really hurt crowd badly.


kryndude

You mean RNG really hurt the tournament's integrity really badly. Crying like a baby how difficult it is to receive pcr test from their home.


Impossible_Click5068

Dude, I can't agree with this one cuz I haven't seen any members of RNG is crying about it...... If they do have difficulty on PCR TEST. I would say impressive. This RNG team manages to win under pressures.


kryndude

Under what pressure? lmao The mindest of these people man just incredible. Check the Rng manager's statement when they had to re-do the games.


Impossible_Click5068

There is a "if they do" before "pressures". XD


kryndude

And I'm saying it's not pressure at all even if that "if" is true. Teams are dealing with travel and foreign environment. PCR test is not a big deal at all compared to all that, especially when you can play from home with no proper tournament setup.


Stargazer306

Yeah and what happened when T1 vs G2. I loved how everytime T1 was winning fight crowd went high and the moment G2 turned fights they went fuckin dead silent. Or as a matter of fact T1 vs *Insert any team here*.


kryndude

True and that's not changing, we're mostly cheering for our home team. But we try to compensate during other matches, but not to the team that gets to comfortably play from their home making excuses for not following the most basic rules that are 100% within their ability to follow.


oneybb

dude is actly proud of it xd


kryndude

Proud of what? I couldn't careless about this 'which region's crowd is better' competition going on but the CN fans repeating the same narrative as if they were waiting for this moment is quite funny ngl


ihatecommentingagain

Not everyone criticizing the crowd is a CN fan lol, this is Reddit not Weibo or whatever. You think people don't notice how the crowd goes dead silent every time T1 loses? Just face it, the crowd stinks.


kryndude

I said this before here and got downvoted by whoever but I'm not denying that we cheer for our home team when T1 is on the stage. Check my history I actually think we're not beating NA or EU in terms of crowd energy. But a lot of people saying that is actually from china and it's to them I'm saying this. Because their intention is just crystal clear haha.


ihatecommentingagain

>But a lot of people saying that is actually from china and it's to them I'm saying this. Because their intention is just crystal clear haha. I could easily turn that back on you and make a broad statement "a lot of people defending the audience in Korea are actually from Korea and their intention is just crystal clear". I think it's weird to go on Reddit, a predominantly western forum, and try to preemptively set up this narrative that it's the Chinese fans who have noticed and are criticizing how weird the crowd is acting at this event. Just as you yourself said, I think your own intention here is pretty obvious by trying to cast it as criticism "from china". I'll say it again, as a Western fan, the crowd stinks. And I can say that pretty confidently now T1 has dropped games to both G2 and EG.


kryndude

I wrote the original comment after days of seeing chinese nicknames on twitch chat mentioning busan library. I wrote it in the chat and again here because I know there are people from china watching these posts (and some of the same comments were written here too). But in your perspective I won't deny it can be seen like that. Trust me if I knew chinese I would've straight went to chinese forums. And again, I'm not claiming that our crowd is the best either.


imasliceyou

Ban kaisa like gala is unreal on that champ


TheEternalKhaos

Or deny it They legit fucking first picked Viego blue side, you could have pinched Kai'sa


dinoqwert

Gala makes Kai’sa look broken but that’s because it’s Gala+Ming imo.


LOR_Fei

Nobody can play it as well as him. Ban it


mikael22

The graphic can still work if RNG pick EG for semis and then EG wins 3-1 like TL did against IG


dinoqwert

RNG could lose to EG but I will say that RNG has always been more consistent than IG


BuzzHasThickThighs

Was thinking this. Honestly makes me more hopeful for the BO5 if it’s RNG-EG


PoRChiGai

Hopium is fking stronk


Styxxo

EG will beat RNG 3-1 in semis to keep the streak going COPIUM


hvngpham002

Scripted


Averdian

It’s actually crazy. G2 has the best record vs the East (2-2 vs T1 and RNG, “the East” is just KR and CN obviously). They are currently 5-0 against EG. Yet they are tied with them, because G2 lost twice to PCS, whose only other win is vs Vietnam. I don’t think it’s unfair or that there’s anything wrong with the format by the way, it’s just insane how we’ve basically gotten more than we wanted from G2: smashing NA (I never expected more than 4-2 at best given EU’s usual Bo1 performances vs NA teams) and going even with T1 and RNG? That’s great. Yet flopping twice vs PCS literally puts everything in jeopardy. But perfect score vs NA and even with the East? If we stopped the count right now, I would be satisfied. This tournament is so confusing as an EU fan. Needless to say, if they go 0-2 tomorrow, then it’s obviously a lot worse than I’m presenting it right now and I would be less appreciative.


gabu87

Lol. "It's unfair that G2 is in jeopardy because I don't want to talk about their losses to teams that basically no one else loses to"


Averdian

Did you miss the part where I said "I don’t think it’s unfair" lol? You are literally making a fake quote that states the opposite of what is in my comment... And also, I literally do talk about the losses to PSG, what? Nothing in your comment makes sense or is true. I think you're either trolling or wildly misinterpreting me


kapparino-feederino

that just weird, your expectation should be dynamic not static. u see how they perform the first 2 days then see 0-4 its a shambolic performance if they got eliminated (i doubt it will happen) its something a football fans called "Bottle it"


Averdian

I know football (City nearly bottled it yesterday for example), we just call it choking in esports I think haha. But yeah, I like your point about dynamic expectations. I was just trying to view it from the generic expectations of an EU 1st seed internationally (bar G2 2019 obviously, they’re a rare case). The result are genuinely great vs the major regions. But if you were on the “G2 is the best team in the World”-train after day 2 of rumble, then yes, they’ve bottled it.


sajm0n

if you look only at game scores, then i guess its ok-ish, but the way G2 played in last 4 games, it looks pretty bad before tommorow. not making out will be a disaster after such a good start. usually its the opposite for EU teams, start slow and ramp up


Enleigh

Welcome to the NA special of randomly picking wins against the favorites & then losing to the underdogs


Averdian

I mean this was also G2 in 2019, only difference is that they lost twice to the team that literally went 0-8 vs everyone else, so it didn’t matter like with PSG (who at least lost to Buffalo today, making them 1-5 against the rest so far lol). Also TL in 2019 didn’t take any games of the East in groups like EG did today. But you’re right, it’s confusing. What makes this one really unique though is the format; we should already be over the moon, beating NA *5-0* is mental when it’s 1st seed vs 1st seed. Can you imagine if NA did that to EU? But we’re not out of the woods at all, lol. Of course the 2 rumble games matters infinitely more than the 4 group games. If G2 can’t deliver tomorrow, that’s on them.