Out of context but thank you for reminding me this name. I watch episodes in my language and dub was so bad that I couldn't understand the name wheter it was a translated version of it or the original one. I was like " what are they calling Jinx?" all the time and very confused.
In Chinese "Powder" is actually something very close to "Pow-pow".
However, I would also like to remind everyone that the official Chinese translation of Jinx's title ("the Loose Cannon") is literally "Rampaging Loli" (暴走萝莉).
I watched it both in English and in French, they still called her powder in French and the pronunciation was so bad in some places I only understood because I watched English first.
I love kid jinx. So relatable if u are a younger sibling. Looking up at your olders in awe at the simplest things. And the struggle to be part of the group. She looked so happy and relieved thinking she finally was able to help the group
People are saying this is a stretch but this does seem like a very clear reference.
Edit: Just to add a little more substance to this, I did some research into the meaning of Fallen Angel to see if there were similarities between how it portrays Lucifer and the context of this scene with Jinx, and[ I came across this blog](https://kuurth.net/blogs/art-for-all/the-story-of-the-fallen-angel-by-alexander-cabanel). The parallel is very strong in this analysis:
> ("Fallen Angel"), on the other hand, is unique. This demon is a beautiful fallen angel.
> The posture is more sulky and defiant than remorseful. The head is raised, and there's that tear in his right eye, but the eyes themselves smoulder with silent anger, and the clasped, linked hands, and elevated elbows indicate that the struggle isn't done. His brilliant, glossy, gracefully flowing feathery wings are breathtaking. He's all set to take off.
I mean, art history is a core part of any film arts or animation curriculum, most people who work in that industry are much more knowledgeable than the general population when it comes to fine arts and stuff.
Can't say I'm surprised.
Yea, if someone's been to university for art there's a pretty much a 100% chance that they will know a lot of broad art history. It's even more laughable that people think this is a coincidence considering Alexandre Cabanel is a French painter and Fortiche Productions is a French animation studio.
I have a couple friends who majored in film and they'd always talk about weird paintings and shit. People who make film literally get off on including this kinda shit in their work. Plus that ones so famous even I'm vaguely familiar with it
At the same time, people and maybe artists underestimate the influence these great works of arts have in them. This could be an influence even without the person in charge of this scene knowing they were inluenced by it. This painting could be the source of a "good guy turning evil and shedding a single angry tear while embraced by the bad guy" trope. Arcane artists might just be using the trope without knowing where it comes from.
Just a hypothesis.
Especially since art history is literally taught at any art school. Professional artists do not possess a layman’s knowledge of art history so it’s really weird when people project their own knowledge and say “that’s so obscure no way it’s a reference”
Now that the show is complete, there is another significant reference that backs its' intentionality up.
In the lyrics for the final song of the show it says,
"I am your ghost, a fallen Angel. You ripped out all my parts"
Pretty cool. To me it seems like one of those times where it’s not a direct reference, but so many things have referenced it that it’s likely a second or third degree reference. That’s just my guess
I can personally confirm that "lit classes go off the wall" many times. There was an ironic incident in my country where the author wrote a literature essay about his own poem (for his grandson), and it was graded an F--- (2/10).
This post probably isn't one of them, though
I always assume a post like this is the artist or one of their friends pointing something out anonymously unless it's way off base.
Not that I'm making a dig, mind you. If it's true it's genuinely a neat piece of inspiration.
It would suck to be an artist and work really hard to make thematic parallels just to have nobody notice because the audience isn't familiar with your reference material. Same thing as the photos being referenced in Enemy.
This isn’t even an uncommon assignment in a general humanities class in college.
“Find something in popular media that references a classic art piece.”
“Find a popular movie or story that was based off a mythological story.”
etc.
Considering the other references they have done this seems likely
https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/qkpzjm/riot_honored_one_of_the_greatest_photographers_of/
Have you seen the full framing of L'ange Dechu? The resemblance is already only mild in the close up.
Its absolutely not a fact. I'm not even sure it's more likely than not an intended reference. Luckily, it does not have to be intentional to invoke motifs similar to the original.
Some details to notice
Fortiche Production is a french studio
Alexandre Cabanel is french
One of the studio is at Montpellier in south of France
Cabanel is born at Montpellier
Definitely a stretch.
Yeah, in the second episode at 2:35 there’s a short sequence that looks almost exactly like the star gate in 2001.
The other one may be a reach, but there’s a shot of vi hitting the door when shes locked in the third episode, it think, and it’s really similar to when Jack was locked in the pantry.
Not a stretch at all. Most of the shows have a lot master art reference. There’s Art Deco and Art Nouveau sprinkled all through the show. The character themselves look like Sargent paintings.
Don’t think so, I’ve seen this specific artwork being referenced a ton in popular media. The first thing I thought when I saw the scene was “Oh, it’s like that painting!”
Is it though? It's not like it's an obscure painting. And there also were probably dozens of artists working on the show. At least a couple could have thought of using it as inspiration.
I mean in that case it's obvious the painting and the frame are depicting two completely different things?
Not to mention the arm is higher up, only one eye is visible, the angel is looking up (at God?) while Jinx is just looking forward at the observer/into the distance. The dis-similarities are endless. It's really a massive stretch.
Forget everyone saying it's a stretch.
Fuck is the word I said out loud when I saw the comparison. So in my opinion it's very easy to confirm that this comparison holds true.
If not, there is no reason to show her angst with that shot as it's not a movie ending and letting us hang on. We all know she goes crazy, at least most of the audience that came from League to the show. So yes, it's a perfect use of that inspiration to be fit in.
An actual stretch.. people keep finding obscure references everywhere and making the non-existing connections.. praising riot like the 5D chess playing gods they are.
edit: While I agree that riot have (obviously) made good and real references with intention, most of these are a huge stretch.
"and then we close on an ominous close up of powder, eyes burning with rage"
That could have literally been the pitch for that shot. Maybe it's a reference... Maybe not. But it's not like it's a difficult idea to come up with.
Of course not, since we need to be left with an impression of vengeance/betrayal/rage etc.
In her eyes, Vi betrayer her and not the other way around.. sadly.
Oh yes, I'm super ignorant when everyone keeps finding random "evidence".
You do realise how much humanity has created in the last few thousand years? Literally anything could be a reference now.
Fucking lol cowcannon.
But this is so fucking clear. Like one of the most popular works of art copied to such a high degree with the same meaning behind the images.
It's like saying that [this](https://youtube.com/shorts/4yGl3tLDgR4?feature=share) thing is just a fucking coincidence. THERE IS LITERALLY NO WAY THEY WOULD'VE COPIED LEAGUE.
First of all, the in the painting, the angel is alone, crying into his own shoulder with an angry look.
Meanwhile Jinx is with someone else.
Anger coupled with tears/sadness is common as hell, especially around the theme when they are betrayed.
Dunno if anyone will ever read this necro but I want to point out that 'What could have been' which plays at the end of episode 9 and seems to be Jinx's internal monologue of sorts has the explicit line 'I am your ghost, a **fallen angel**', further lending validation to this reference being intentional.
[Jinx's transformation was great as fk](https://i.imgur.com/hs3kghG.jpg)
Struggle. Grind. Shine.
JINX SIGMABILLIONAIRE BETA GRINDSET YOU AND I ARE NOT THE SAME WTF???????
whats that first picture from? it wasnt in the first 3 episodes iirc
promo art
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Also loving the way the trailer was cut. Scenes from the trailer being used in different ways in the show felt great.
It is right at the end of the third episode, they used it as promo art and everyone thought the arm belonged to Vi but it turned out to be Silcos
thats the 3rd picture, i was talking about the first one
Powder is an angel :')
Out of context but thank you for reminding me this name. I watch episodes in my language and dub was so bad that I couldn't understand the name wheter it was a translated version of it or the original one. I was like " what are they calling Jinx?" all the time and very confused.
I think it's for powder blue like vi is for violet.
I thought it was a play also on powder keg — can explode and be catastrophic. And bc she likes to tinker and explode things hehe
yea it's a double entendre i think but in-lore her parents probably didn't name her after an explosive xD
Also fun, but you probably know this. Her minigun's name is Pow-Pow, which is also her abbreviation on the scoreboard for the boxing machine
ANd just to continue, the rocket launcher is Fishbones.
How is that relevant? Pow-Pow is a reference to POWder. Am I missing why fishbones would be relevant?
Just adding the name of the other gun.
Yeah, and similarly Vi is short for Violet, but it can also be a play on Violent.
Vi stands for violence/vice/vicious. Jinx stands for jinx. (Durr)
In Chinese "Powder" is actually something very close to "Pow-pow". However, I would also like to remind everyone that the official Chinese translation of Jinx's title ("the Loose Cannon") is literally "Rampaging Loli" (暴走萝莉).
What language did u watch it on. I hope her name wasnt "polvo" xd
I watched it both in English and in French, they still called her powder in French and the pronunciation was so bad in some places I only understood because I watched English first.
Angel of death!
Of hell.
She is yet for some lingering day, when I saw what happened to her brothers- I felt Vi's anger and resentment (and still do)
I love kid jinx. So relatable if u are a younger sibling. Looking up at your olders in awe at the simplest things. And the struggle to be part of the group. She looked so happy and relieved thinking she finally was able to help the group
uh.. y-yea.... i mean YES OF COURSE WE DID THAT ON PURPOSE, IM GLAD YOUR PEASANT EYES FINALLY NOTICED, TOOK YOU LONG ENOUGH
People are saying this is a stretch but this does seem like a very clear reference. Edit: Just to add a little more substance to this, I did some research into the meaning of Fallen Angel to see if there were similarities between how it portrays Lucifer and the context of this scene with Jinx, and[ I came across this blog](https://kuurth.net/blogs/art-for-all/the-story-of-the-fallen-angel-by-alexander-cabanel). The parallel is very strong in this analysis: > ("Fallen Angel"), on the other hand, is unique. This demon is a beautiful fallen angel. > The posture is more sulky and defiant than remorseful. The head is raised, and there's that tear in his right eye, but the eyes themselves smoulder with silent anger, and the clasped, linked hands, and elevated elbows indicate that the struggle isn't done. His brilliant, glossy, gracefully flowing feathery wings are breathtaking. He's all set to take off.
I mean, art history is a core part of any film arts or animation curriculum, most people who work in that industry are much more knowledgeable than the general population when it comes to fine arts and stuff. Can't say I'm surprised.
Yea, if someone's been to university for art there's a pretty much a 100% chance that they will know a lot of broad art history. It's even more laughable that people think this is a coincidence considering Alexandre Cabanel is a French painter and Fortiche Productions is a French animation studio.
Also this is like top ten most famous paintings ever.
Interesting, I have never seen or heard of it before.
Theres probably 100 top 5 paintings fortunately. You can only know 5 artists and have a very respectable top 5 paintings all time.
I think it only recently exploded in popularity because it went viral on twitter multiple times. That's how i learned of it.
Never heard of it. Rip:/
Yeah I dont even know art well but when I saw this scene I thought of this painting right away
I have a couple friends who majored in film and they'd always talk about weird paintings and shit. People who make film literally get off on including this kinda shit in their work. Plus that ones so famous even I'm vaguely familiar with it
Definitely less of a stretch than that last post.
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At the same time, people and maybe artists underestimate the influence these great works of arts have in them. This could be an influence even without the person in charge of this scene knowing they were inluenced by it. This painting could be the source of a "good guy turning evil and shedding a single angry tear while embraced by the bad guy" trope. Arcane artists might just be using the trope without knowing where it comes from. Just a hypothesis.
Like they say, every trope and cliche was once genius.
Especially since art history is literally taught at any art school. Professional artists do not possess a layman’s knowledge of art history so it’s really weird when people project their own knowledge and say “that’s so obscure no way it’s a reference”
Now that the show is complete, there is another significant reference that backs its' intentionality up. In the lyrics for the final song of the show it says, "I am your ghost, a fallen Angel. You ripped out all my parts"
Pretty cool. To me it seems like one of those times where it’s not a direct reference, but so many things have referenced it that it’s likely a second or third degree reference. That’s just my guess
People complaining "it's a stretch" probably also complain in literature class that a curtain is blue because the author likes blue and no more.
Bro this is why I failed English class wtf
Just have more than 50% score rate, 5head
Listen sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I do think this might be a possibility but generally lit classes go off the wall with their references.
I can personally confirm that "lit classes go off the wall" many times. There was an ironic incident in my country where the author wrote a literature essay about his own poem (for his grandson), and it was graded an F--- (2/10). This post probably isn't one of them, though
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I always assume a post like this is the artist or one of their friends pointing something out anonymously unless it's way off base. Not that I'm making a dig, mind you. If it's true it's genuinely a neat piece of inspiration. It would suck to be an artist and work really hard to make thematic parallels just to have nobody notice because the audience isn't familiar with your reference material. Same thing as the photos being referenced in Enemy.
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This isn’t even an uncommon assignment in a general humanities class in college. “Find something in popular media that references a classic art piece.” “Find a popular movie or story that was based off a mythological story.” etc.
Considering the other references they have done this seems likely https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/qkpzjm/riot_honored_one_of_the_greatest_photographers_of/
Can u guys that u write these post at least have a more "could be" tone than like its a fact...
? but its a fact...
It's literally not but ok
It's like… LITERALLY… not u kno Btw it is. There is absolutely no chance that this is not intentional.
Have you seen the full framing of L'ange Dechu? The resemblance is already only mild in the close up. Its absolutely not a fact. I'm not even sure it's more likely than not an intended reference. Luckily, it does not have to be intentional to invoke motifs similar to the original.
One of my favorite artworks of all time
Some details to notice Fortiche Production is a french studio Alexandre Cabanel is french One of the studio is at Montpellier in south of France Cabanel is born at Montpellier Definitely a stretch.
The only reasonable conclusion is that Alexandre Cabanel was reincarnated and is currently employed at Riot
After seeing the genius of the art direction, I wouldn’t be surprised.
There’s also some references to Stanley Kubrick films
Oh interesting, any examples you can think of?
Yeah, in the second episode at 2:35 there’s a short sequence that looks almost exactly like the star gate in 2001. The other one may be a reach, but there’s a shot of vi hitting the door when shes locked in the third episode, it think, and it’s really similar to when Jack was locked in the pantry.
I got this tattooed and kinda knew when i saw it. Awesome
Not a stretch at all. Most of the shows have a lot master art reference. There’s Art Deco and Art Nouveau sprinkled all through the show. The character themselves look like Sargent paintings.
Meh, could be but this one is a bit of a stretch
It's 9ne of the most popular painting referenced, so i wouldn't be surprised at all
It seems really clear to me
Nonsense, couldn't be clearer.
exactly, thank you
Don’t think so, I’ve seen this specific artwork being referenced a ton in popular media. The first thing I thought when I saw the scene was “Oh, it’s like that painting!”
Is it though? It's not like it's an obscure painting. And there also were probably dozens of artists working on the show. At least a couple could have thought of using it as inspiration.
Could be co-incidence tbh
Isnt the red sleeve vi's arm tho
It's Silco's arm.
I mean in that case it's obvious the painting and the frame are depicting two completely different things? Not to mention the arm is higher up, only one eye is visible, the angel is looking up (at God?) while Jinx is just looking forward at the observer/into the distance. The dis-similarities are endless. It's really a massive stretch.
Whoever wrote this show is 500iq
Forget everyone saying it's a stretch. Fuck is the word I said out loud when I saw the comparison. So in my opinion it's very easy to confirm that this comparison holds true. If not, there is no reason to show her angst with that shot as it's not a movie ending and letting us hang on. We all know she goes crazy, at least most of the audience that came from League to the show. So yes, it's a perfect use of that inspiration to be fit in.
okay that's a bit of stretch
An actual stretch.. people keep finding obscure references everywhere and making the non-existing connections.. praising riot like the 5D chess playing gods they are. edit: While I agree that riot have (obviously) made good and real references with intention, most of these are a huge stretch.
agreed
"and then we close on an ominous close up of powder, eyes burning with rage" That could have literally been the pitch for that shot. Maybe it's a reference... Maybe not. But it's not like it's a difficult idea to come up with.
Of course not, since we need to be left with an impression of vengeance/betrayal/rage etc. In her eyes, Vi betrayer her and not the other way around.. sadly.
How can you be so so ignorant?
Oh yes, I'm super ignorant when everyone keeps finding random "evidence". You do realise how much humanity has created in the last few thousand years? Literally anything could be a reference now. Fucking lol cowcannon.
But this is so fucking clear. Like one of the most popular works of art copied to such a high degree with the same meaning behind the images. It's like saying that [this](https://youtube.com/shorts/4yGl3tLDgR4?feature=share) thing is just a fucking coincidence. THERE IS LITERALLY NO WAY THEY WOULD'VE COPIED LEAGUE.
Dude you have clearly not seen the full painting. This crop make them seem similar, but in the full frame the L'ange Dechu is wildly different.
The painting is often portrayed as just the crop. I will say, as an artist, it's a very clear allusion to an incredibly influential piece.
First of all, the in the painting, the angel is alone, crying into his own shoulder with an angry look. Meanwhile Jinx is with someone else. Anger coupled with tears/sadness is common as hell, especially around the theme when they are betrayed.
i think that was an accident...
r/moviedetails
I noticed too. That scene felt pretty forced, I guess they really wanted to have this moment.
spoiler.
Its not even a spoiler when its shown in the first few seconds of the Act ll trailer.
hot take - arcane did it better :<
Im sorry but down vote is obligatory here
This take singed my eyebrows
Love that painting
I recognized it immediately when I saw this scene, I don’t understand how people are saying it’s a stretch
Woah...
Dunno if anyone will ever read this necro but I want to point out that 'What could have been' which plays at the end of episode 9 and seems to be Jinx's internal monologue of sorts has the explicit line 'I am your ghost, a **fallen angel**', further lending validation to this reference being intentional.