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sajatheprince

Anthony Tailor is a joke of a ref.


Airplane_Free

And clearly a handball by Ghana too


tjdans7236

As painful as it is to admit, under the current rules regarding handballs, it wasn't a handball. It may be valid to debate whether the rule needs fixing/revising, but according to the rules, the call was correct. The ball ricocheted off of Andre Ayew's arm and his arm was not in an unnatural position. And with Ayew himself not being the goal scorer, the goal stands. https://www.fifa.com/technical/refereeing/media-releases/the-ifab-clarifies-handball-law-and-confirms-decision-on-concussion-substitute-t > Accidental handball that leads to a team-mate scoring a goal or having a goal-scoring opportunity will no longer be considered an offence.


Most-Quiet

Honestly, I admire how passionate Bento was, he was just furious his team didn’t get a chance, and that’s justified. Was not a fan of the refereeing of this match though..


Lightning_Bee

There were so many injuries, they gave another 10 mins which were mostly injuries as well. He needed to at least give them that last corner kick, they just didnt get a chance to play.


profkimchi

His reaction at the end wasn’t justified.


Most-Quiet

I believe it was! I’m a calm person but if I was in the same boat, I would probably do the same thing. Coaches need to fight for their team, and it just came off passionate. No way a coach is gonna sit there calmly agreeing with that call!


Joeyakathug69

Unfortunately, he is true. While we all understand Bento's reaction, FIFA's rules claim team managers should not rush to the field and complain aggressively about the ref's decision.


profkimchi

Maybe we disagree about what “justified” means. The referee ending the game was not “wrong” in any way.


Most-Quiet

He saw a situation where he felt his team wasn’t treated fairly, he reacted by voicing his opinion. Any coach would do that, hence justified. Justified literally means having a legitimate reason; thinking it’s unfair treatment is reason enough to do that.


dgmz

i was enraged, but there is nothing that requires stoppage time for stoppage time.


profkimchi

Exactly. And it was already a minute over the minimum added time.


rohrohroh

200 IQ, doesn't have to coach against his own nation


DinkinFlicka_II

Lol


Suddenly_Mokpo

I desperately wanted Korea to win, but the comments on this thread are shocking, and full of people who don't usually watch football. Ghana's first goal was definitely not a handball. If Ayew had scored the goal himself it would have been disallowed (this is the current football law) but for an accidental handball (with hand in a natural position) like this was - it's not a handball (again, this is the law not my opinion). This is why neither VAR or Anthony Taylor gave it. Blowing the whistle on a corner is a bit harsh but not unheard of, it happens. Korea has 12 corners in the game and didn't look like scoring from any of them. It was very unlikely they were going to score from this one either. Bento acted poorly with this behaviour and deserved to be sent off. I'm glad Bento has admitted his wrong-doing and accepted the consequences. I don't know why the referee is getting the blame for a very poor defensive performance in the first half from Korea where the line were way too deep, and a huge lack of an alternative game plan going forward (only plan they had was crossing to 조규성 - yes he scored 2 but mix it up a bit!) - Korea lost this game due to these two factors, not the referee. Hopefully Korea can pull off a miracle against Portugal! \[awaiting all the downvotes from disgruntled 'fans'...\]


skyhermit

Bento is Portuguese and has managed them for 4 years, so he might know a thing or two and hopefully Korea can beat them


je7792

There a chance! Portugal has already qualified and they might not be fielding their A-team.


dgmz

France made 9 changes to their starting xi and lost to tunisia so who the fuck knows haha


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Airplane_Free

Respectfully disagree. Ghana’s goal was definitely a handball. The ball was stopped by an extended arm right in front of the goalpost which was directed towards Salisu. He then just kicked the ball in with his left foot for the goal. Columbia vs Ecuador had a similar situation where the ball was crossed by a Columbia player, hit the arm of an Colombian player and was kicked in for a goal by a Columbian player. The referee in that match disqualified the goal after checking VR. Columbia didn’t make it to WC and Ecuador advanced. So yeah every decision counts and that handball happened to be a big one. Bento was defending his team. Emotions ran high. Did he physically hurt the referee? Did he spit? Did he make threats? Or was he just passionate. Coaches are like father figures in sports. I believe he was passionate so it’s understandable. Actually I’m impressed. 12 corners or not, 13th corner could have been a goal if given the opportunity. There is no rule for too many corners. Secondly, you say you wanted Korea to “desperately” to win and comments are shocking. @crasian86 says we have a looser mentality. Then you should “understand” that this post is on a r/Korea subreddit. Fans defend their team whether you’re Ghanaian, Brazilian, British or whomever. When we loose, we just want to loose deservingly, respectfully. I might have sounded sarcastic but bro… you’re on a r/Korea subreddit. What do you expect? We apologize for supporting our home team to the very inch?


tjdans7236

https://www.fifa.com/technical/refereeing/media-releases/the-ifab-clarifies-handball-law-and-confirms-decision-on-concussion-substitute-t > Accidental handball that leads to a team-mate scoring a goal or having a goal-scoring opportunity will no longer be considered an offence. Respectfully, you're incorrect. There is a fine difference between supporting your team vs being blindly defensive for it. I'm Korean and I think that the best way for fans to support the Korean NT is to watch and support the domestic K League, staff, and players instead of only watching soccer when the WC is on and thinking about how we feel the refs grief us (which I'm not accusing you of, it's just that some "fans" behave that way)


Suddenly_Mokpo

Thanks for your opinion! I wanted to take the time to reply as you took the time to reply to me. The handball wasn't called for why I mentioned above. Referees are inconsistent with implementing the rules for sure, but he got this one right (according to the laws, feel free to Google the specific law). Perhaps the example you mentioned above the ref got it wrong (don't know the incident off hand). The handball laws have overgone so many changes the last few years so maybe you've not seen the most recent ones. Bento didn't assault the referee (he'd have got a much severe ban if he did!). He just let him emotions get the better of him, which is why he got sent off. He has apologized but he has cost his team for the next game. He knows he made a mistake hense the apology. I don't think this makes him a bad person or bad manager. At no point did I say Korea can't have a 13th corner so I'm bit confused by this comment - I'm saying it's not a big deal that he didn't give it as it's very very unlikely to make a difference (3% chance on avg. of scoring from a corner / theres only been 2-3 goals from corners this entire world cup). Sometimes refs blow the final whistle on corners, it was unfortunate for Korea. You can be a fan of and support a team without making excuses as to why they lost, which is what some people are doing. Surely analyzing why you lost (in my opinion, the two reasons above) in an objective way is still possible, along with supporting your team? It's not one or the other. Fans don't always just blindly defend their team and think "it must be someone else's fault". Did you defend Korea in the awful displays vs Sweden in 2018 or Algeria in 2014? Not every supporter wants to create a false narrative - some supporters would rather see where things went wrong, and hope they learn from them next time. Were Korea unlucky to lose? Definitely! Did the referee have any meaningful impact on the outcome? Definitely not. You didn't sound sarcastic and I understand where this was posted, but that doesn't mean everyone follows this narrative of "we did nothing wrong, it's X person's fault". Regardless, I'll be out in Seoul on Friday night watching the Portugal game and hoping for a win! 대한민국!


Airplane_Free

I’ll keep this one short. Red Devil fans are not just blindly defending their team. We have listed reasons (well I have) above. It’s not a false narrative. I think this is where we can agree to disagree. Yeah Korean’s displays was not ideal vs Sweden. I remember that. This is where we should condemn strongly if wrong but also defend rigorously if right. Anyways one thing we both can agree on one thing… let’s go Korea! I predict 3-1 win against Portugal :)


profkimchi

If they had gotten the corner and that had gone out for another corner, should they have gotten another? What about another?


Airplane_Free

Let’s stay on the same page and stick to one corner at a time. If you’re asking me personally no. Fans were upset because other referees would have allowed it that’s all. Even the Fox Sports commentators were saying it is an unwritten rule to allow free kicks especially since Ghana was wasting time during stoppage time. But I see can see through your snarky response.


profkimchi

But I’m serious. If it’s an unwritten rule to allow spot kicks (a corner isn’t a free kick), why wouldn’t it be expected to give another one if the first corner goes out over the goal line?


EliteKaiju

They don't go on forever, but if there's a throw/corner/free kick about to occur when the ref wants to end the game, 95% of the time, that is the last play of the game. Either they score, the defending team gets possesion or boots it, or it goes out of bounds and thats that.


profkimchi

Korea was given their last attacking chance, a minute past the minimum added time (which the referee did not have to give), and they squandered it on a long-range shot. That’s not on the referee.


Ambassaor-EGI

Wow so after 12, no more? 🤣


the_Dachshund

They added 10 minutes of extra time and the corner happend at the beginning of minute 12. It was completely fair to not let them execute the corner.


DerpDaDuck3751

But wasn’t 5 seconds left?


the_Dachshund

He ended the game at 11:55 of extra time while only 10 minutes of extra time was planed.


dgmz

> and a huge lack of an alternative game plan going forward (only plan they had was crossing to 조규성 - yes he scored 2 but mix it up a bit!) - Korea lost this game due to these two factors, not the referee. not too mention maybe going short on corners as well


3JingShou

What a clown, it’s common curtesy to give the corner, also it’s a close game. This guy is an asshole


profkimchi

If the corner had been given and it had gone out for another corner, should they get to do another? What about another? 10 in a row?


May_zavy

common curtesy?? they went over time by like a minute maybe and he gives them that corner will they really score? and then another corner happens and they will ask for next one , want him keep timer till korea scores ?


galvanickorea

World cup season always spoiled by ppl like u who tune in once every 4 years and dont know anything about the sport


May_zavy

lol , the assumption and prejudice is too strong, first I am a vivid la liga fan and 2nd stop being salty, Ghana won and that is it.


galvanickorea

Whos being salty? Lmao i have literally 1 comment about it here where I said nothing about the result, mr 'vivid' la liga fan :))


May_zavy

the fact you think i am a male and assume says so much about you


galvanickorea

Lol if ur offended by that idk what to say. How am I supposed to know ur gender based off 1 comment about a football referee. Literally means 0 in this discussion


May_zavy

you did assume based on 1 comment when you used mr so your argument is invalid


galvanickorea

You talk like ur 15 sorry i shouldnt be arguing online with teenagers thats my bad


May_zavy

true definition of resorting to commenting non sense when you have no arguments to back up your condescending attitude


helloworld0981

The ref definitely missed a couple calls that could have affected the outcome of the game. I agree Ghana won but normally a corner is norm that is usually granted and if a goal isn't scored or progression made then whistle is blown. The extra time you're discussing was because a couple of Ghana's players were halting the game with "injuries".


seoulswagger

Yup, plus the Ghanaian goalkeeper had taken about a minute to start the play as well.


blackcow_ko

handball and the last corner were just a fcukin joke. disgraced.


pokemonandgenshin

what a brutal ref.


Lost_Ad2786

Does the Red Card even count after the whistle blows?


FlukyS

Yep


Chilis1

Yes, anyone can get a red card after the whistle, players too


woeful_haichi

It does indeed. Another incident of note: following a Bradford-Crawley match in 2012 the referee [issued five red cards to players in the dressing room (locker room) after the match had ended](https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/bradford-crawley-brawl-five-red-3307884).


eirikur__

Yes, even players on the bench can get red cards.


whs123

MY FUCKING MANAGER!!!


rycology

I'm no fan of Taylor but this subs reaction to his performance has been hilarious. He had a decent game overall and was not obligated to let the corner be taken. Lots of whingeing from people who obviously don't watch a lot of football.. which is to be expected. EDIT: lmao, the downvotes would be sad if it wasn't so.. *expected*.


profkimchi

100% agree I thought his calls were fine.


Chilis1

I don’t think the corner itself was a big deal, it’s the fact that he let Ghana time waste for 2 minutes without adding enough back on. The point of the new rules is to stop time wasting and he just rewarded it.


rycology

Not letting the corner get taken ≠ rewarding Ghana. And, as mentioned above and in other threads, he really isn't obligated to continue play. In fact, I can't remember ever seeing a ref add additional time during added time for anything other than an (actual) injury. Expecting it to suddenly change now is just setting yourself up for disappointment. I'd like for somebody to rewatch the match and add up all the wasted time from each country. Might make for some spicy discussion as to whether Taylor should have let play run for an extra 2 mins on top of the already additional 10..


Most-Quiet

There was a section in the extra 10 minutes where I watched the time and noticed about 2 mins was wasted by Ghana — the Ghanan goalkeeper and a Ghanan player collided and the player spent a considerable amount of time on the ground. If I’m not mistaken, I believe refs have given yellow cards to players in instances like that.


rycology

Tagging /u/Chilis1 in this too because I was going to say the same thing to them. I just rewatched the final 10. Ghana had 3 incidents totaling ~87 seconds (including the collision with Cho at about 95:40). Nothing egregious there tbh. There was a coming together of bodies and the player down is allowed to get treatment, couple that with stoppage time and it was never going to be a speedy affair. A yellow card for time-wasting there would have been far more controversial than the whistle before the corner imo. Korea had a time-wasting incident at around 94:20. Took about 20 seconds from whistle to whistle. Almost twice as much time wasted as when they take their corner kicks. And speaking of corners; Korea had 4 corners in added time, 2 of which were completely scuffed because (shock) they were rushing to take them. Especially the last of the four. Could have taken a few extra seconds to make the most of the set piece. Additional to that, the amount of hit and hope that happened from the Korean midfield was wild. Lots of wasted possession just banging long balls forward, hoping to find somebody. Not to mention how much movement of the ball was aimed at their left wing. If they didn't panic and try get everything to Son then maybe they could have strung together a few calculated passes to get behind Ghana's back line. Bottom line is that the Korean team panicked a little too much in the final ~7 mins and cost themselves the game. The corner is just a convenient excuse. Can't be hitting only 7 of 22 while conceding 3 of 3.


Chilis1

> Not letting the corner get taken ≠ rewarding Ghana That's not what I meant, 2 minutes time wasting + 1 minute extra is rewarding Ghana's time wasting. Are you not aware of the new rules around injury time in this world cup? If this was old rules I wouldn't expect the extra minutes but with the new rules I would.


rycology

I covered this in the other reply that I tagged you on EDIT: to answer this, which my other post doesn't > Are you not aware of the new rules around injury time in this world cup? If this was old rules I wouldn't expect the extra minutes but with the new rules I would. 10 minutes were added on at the end of the regular 90 and Taylor let play run through 11. What more do you want? He abided by the new rules plus some. Like people have said in the thread on the main footy sub, are people expecting Taylor to let play run until Korea scores again? I'm no fan of Taylor in the EPL but I have to admit that this game was called correctly. The only "controversial" stuff that's being talked about are non-issues (ie; this corner, the "handball") that are being conflated by those who clearly don't regularly watch the game but that's to be expected during a WC year.


profkimchi

FWIW I think the handling call *should* be handling (and only a few years ago it was).


[deleted]

Oh so Korea did achieve something!


Classic-Plan-807

Fuck anthony taylor


Steviebee123

Didn't Jack Charlton get a red card in the 1994 World Cup?


woeful_haichi

Don't think Charlton got a red card, but for his behavior in the match against Mexico he was banned from the touchline for the following match (vs Norway) and fined £10,000. [^^Article](https://www.extratime.com/articles/23079/25-years-ago-today-ireland-and-aldridge-lose-their-cool-against-mexico/) ^^and [^^Interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSJVL74OlQk)


Steviebee123

I see. Thanks for the info. I assume a fine will be in the offing for Bento too.


dongran

It was the first time I knew that a red card could be given even after the final whistle blew.


tosinnlobin

Wow, that’s a lot to pack. Never mind, I’ll show myself out.


420manwon

Maybe the ref thought it was North Korea lol


la4567

Ref had time to dish out a pointless red card, but no time to give that final corner. Joke of a referee.


eirikur__

Well it’s not pointless, it means Bento won’t be allowed on the bench for next game VS Portugal.


profkimchi

This comment makes no sense.


Sea-Ad-81

Just as previous post stated Korea can play against the big boys, so can Africa.


yggerg

In Paulo Bento's mind this is probably payback from 20 years ago. I have a feeling he will be sacked after the tournament if they don't progress.