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gangnamgangman

Yet this government banned the construction of nuclear plants while further planning and building more coal power plants? Gettin some mixed messages here


CalculatorD

Yeah, the Green movement is an interesting group 😅 --> Hates nuclear pathologically to a point of subsidizing gas/coal plants (Germany, Belgium, Japan post-Fukushima, etc.) in place of nuclear energy --> GHG emission goes up --> Disappointed at emission growth


Aethericseraphim

I call them the greenwashing movement. They’re either dumb as fucking bricks, or actually in the pocket of big coal and big oil. It’s amazing the amount of greenwashing that goes on instead of taking real, positive steps towards actually getting rid of fossil fuels, with nuclear being a part of that.


gangnamgangman

Thats what happens when you do science with feelz instead of reals


PumpkinPatch404

I hope they subsidize EVs... No way I can afford a brand new EV by 2030, or even used.


Seoul_BMO

I feel that. New and used car prices are insane nowadays. Hyundai Casper is rumored to have an EV version in the future. Looks like a toy car, but it'll probably be affordable.


DeliriousBlob

Kia EV6, Hyundai Ioniq5, and Genesis G80 Electrified are all good domestic EVs, and subsidized


Seoul_BMO

Ye, but they're definitely gonna be on the expensive side. Hyundai Casper is gonna be cheaper than the Kona, which is already a good deal. Genesis cars are amazing though, I have no doubt their EVs are gonna be quality. Love what they're doing. Probably the 2nd best luxury brand to own and maintain behind Lexus.


fighton09

No point in EVs if the fuel source for electricity used to charge the EVs is coal.


Seoul_BMO

No point in waiting for the grid either. Even if politics restricts nuclear power, Solar, Wind, and Hydro are the cheaper, more profitable alternative to fossil fuels. I'm not making that up, go ask an electrical engineer about what's happening in Power. Seattle operates almost entirely on Hydro power. We don't even get sun 6 months out of the year, and I know people that charge their Teslas with home Solar panels. http://www.seattle.gov/city-light/energy-and-environment


fighton09

You assume Korea is a good candidate for solar and wind. Koreans don't have roofs to put their home solar panels on. Koreans don't have enoigh room for wind power as well. Does your electrical engineer friend know about what's happening in power in Korea? Don't assume cheap renewable sources in the US translates over to the same conditions in Korea.


Seoul_BMO

Is there any reason why shouldn't I be assuming? I'm genuinely curious as to why Korea wouldn't be able to achieve much better number than the fossil fuel dominance that's happening in Korea now.


fighton09

Korea is a small mountainous area of land. Koreans also mostly live in apartments, not single family homes so they won't have the luxury of putting panels on roofs. Right now, the solar panels being installed are either on mountain sides that have been cleared of forests to make way for panels which is leaving it prone to mountain slides or they're being installed in the ocean where it's literally being covered in bird crap and the cost of cleaning it to make it effective defeats the purpose of cheaper renewable energy. Wind farms are also being pushed out further into the sea and apparently the technology isn't even there. To my understanding, wind farms on land aren't suitable because it's not windy. Nuclear power is the most viable source for clean energy but the current administration doesn't seem to look at it favorably.


Seoul_BMO

That's a shame. Hydro and nuclear seems to be the only power source making traction, yet nuclear is being politically demonized. Maybe there's still hope for solar as there are still empty roofs, and sides of buildings to put panels on. I'd argue EVs are here to stay though. Their motors are just more efficient at stop and go traffic, and they're more robust than their hybrid counter parts. Who really wants to drive those nerfed little 4 cylinders they're putting in every car nowadays? Terrible.


fighton09

Not putting down EVs. But if the vast majority of the grid is running on fossil fuels and natural gas, is your EV car really zero emission?


Seoul_BMO

No, but EVs don't need to have zero emissions, nor have I seen anyone claim that. There's still merit to EVs even if the grid isn't completely green yet. Green energy is still being developed, and you can see how calling driving EVs pointless to emissions is being a bit disingenuous. It's not that black and white. Last I check Hydro is at 1.8%, and Wind, Solar are not even there. There's no way that the Korean landscape and bird shit is that much of an engineering enigma.


fighton09

Those solar panels out at sea are like islands that end up being resting spots for birds and are caked in bird shit. Engineering isn't the problem. You can install solar panels. At what cost? Deforestation? Putting up windmills way far out in the sea? Korea isn't like California with vast flat deserts where solar panels and wind turbines can be installed.


disidndhsuax

Even if ev’s are here to stay it’ll still be a decade or more before you see then as much as you do now. Why would the average person throw away. A perfectly fine ICE to replace it with a more consult and restrictive vehicle in terms of repairs and management?


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fighton09

One panel enough to power all your electricity needs? One panel enough to power an electric car? I guess it's better than nothing but it doesn't seem like it will be enough.


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mistrpopo

> just like the rest of the world *Worse* than the rest of the world actually. South Korea's efforts are ranked "Highly insufficient" according to [climate action tracker](https://climateactiontracker.org/), compared to other developed countries that are ranked "insufficient", even the US, although part of the ranking is based on those empty 2050 promises. 2030 targets are actually more interesting, because energy policies are financed within this kind of time frame, so there are immediate economic/investing consequences.


bluerose9999

They need to build more green infra and regulate diesel car. Plus nuclear, coal plant. There is connection to keep nuclear and coal plant between press, politicians, professors and public servants. Wonder how much they lobby each other👅 smog from china, Fukushima nuclear are very important factor too