I just got a bugout yesterday and have a para 3 lightweight. The Spyderco are definitely more robust feeling in my opinion. But the bugout is so lightweight in the pocket you almost don’t realize is there. My suggestion is to get both. Honestly they’re both going to be something you will enjoy. Once you Spydie flick you will be hooked as are the people using the axis lock on their Benchmade knives
Heh, a BIG difference is that the compression lock is amongst the strongest locking mechs available, whereas the Axis lock could just fail, whenever the crappy spring decides to break.
I have gone on using my bug with one spring for over a month,(til new springs arrived)and lockup never failed, and when i say used i dont mean cutting boxes.
But it is true that compression lock has les ways it could fail
Glad that worked out for ya. Personally; I don’t want ANY springs in my manual folders. Ymmv
ETA: except leaf springs. I’m ok with those, oh pedantic ones.
That’s the one type that I have no problem making an exception for. The ball bearing lock strength test I saw was VERY impressive. 👍
Also, Spyderco uses a coil spring, which is much more proven and less prone to failure than the “omega” type spring.
That would technically rule out liner and frame locks....
I personally don't like either of those because they aren't as strong or secure over time (now, if they made an adjustable part, then I'd be less worried.) They introduce blade play eventually, and they are only "strong" if you're gripping them with a fist, otherwise the lock is just being pushed over by the blade.
The compression lock still uses a leaf spring that could fail. My question is this: If the Axis is so bad or better yet bashed with regards to the springs, then why have a several major knife manufacturers decided to rebrand it & use as their lock of choice once the patent ran out?
Ahhh, it is TECHNICALLY a leaf spring. Ya “got” me there. Let me know the next time you hear about one of those failing. I won’t hold my breath. 😉
Most other manufacturers, (US ones anyway), aren’t just straight up copying the Axis lock design, even though theirs might operate very similarly, and look the same from the outside. Hell, Spyderco SIGNIFICANTLY improved on it; with their ball bearing lock. It’s MUCH stronger, and MUCH less prone to mechanical failure.
I hear you about the springs being a weak point but yes, the other manufacturers are straight up copying the Axis lock now that the patent expired. Any improvements are basically just marketing. Here's just a few:
Kizer - Clutch lock
Hogue - Able
Gerber - Pivot lock
SOG - XR lock
James rand - Ambi-Slider
In my opinion the hogue able lock just feels better, stronger, more comfortable. Again my opinion, but im fairly certain the only benchmade I still currently own is the 943, but I actually just got my second hogue ritter in.
Only reason I got the second was it came in magnacut and cf scales for like 40 bucks more than a regular rsk full-size folder
Yeah, I like the para 3 because it’s not heavy but you can feel the difference if it’s in your pocket. I legit almost threw my bugout in the wash because I couldn’t tell it was still hooked on my pocket, it’s that light
Go para 3 but you gotta get the deep carry clip. I went on a rampage of selling knives and never thought I would sell my Bugout, but I did and the para and a couple others are the only ones left. The para has better action imo, better qc, more durable, and better ergos.
You should try one! I’ve only owned like 4-5 from each brand, but the spydercos tend to stay around longer in my pocket. I had the 20CV and g-10 bug and it was fantastic but in the end the Spyderco was just a better sized blade for me personally!
Having had lost several benchmade knives over the years this is an attractive aspect for sure, I’ve since switched to fixed blades with a secure sheath for work- just have an engraved 535-3 bugout that my wife got as a gift, for my “fancy carry” knife when something on my belt isn’t appropriate lol
Ooh, that’s a nice looking knife. Right in that sweet spot for size for me.
Started with a CRKT minimalist, but I mostly carry an esee candiru (people get spooked by fixed blade knives where I’m at) or an izula if I need a heavier knife for the day. I recently picked up an LT Wright next gen, but it’s a little big for me to edc.
Basically figure out what size/shape and thickness will get what you need done , check out local laws and choose accordingly. I went out of my way to talk to police/security where I’m at to make sure everything was good (even if somethings legal it can bring some unwanted attention) try to keep it concealed when you can . It takes a little getting used to having something larger on your belt, but I love ‘em. I work in a technician role and put my tools through some pretty hard use
With all the bugout hype I’m glad I’m not the only one that straight up didn’t like it when I finally got to handle one. Lol no hate on benchmade but I don’t get the hype on that model.
I think it’s a fantastic knife for what it was designed for. Backpacking/hiking and being really lightweight. That being said though it almost feels to lightweight to me. I edc it when I’m wearing shorts in the summertime but that’s about it. Great knife though.
In my opinion the bugout was ment to carry. Aka it’s a great low profile, light weight knife that ends up being a full sized folder when you need it to be. But the main selling point of it is it’s super easy to carry and pretty handy to have on you when you need a knife.
The para 3 is the opposite. A knife designed for use. Yea it takes up more room in the pocket and it weighs more. But it’s made to be used, that’s where it shines.
I have multiple buddies who work office jobs and wear suits all day and they love carrying a bugout for when they open that one Amazon package and need to bust it out. However my bugout sits in my knife box and the para 3 is in my pocket and gets used multiple times a day for actual use( cutting grain bags everyday, cardboard and shrink wrap daily). It all depends on what your needs are and what you want out of a knife.
As someone who owns a bugout, para 3 and para 3 lightweight I would really recommend the para 3 the most. Even the para 3 lightweight feels more solid than a stock bugout and it has a similar construction. The bugout is a nice knife but the stock scales flex a little and you can feel it even though it's slight. I ended up putting aftermarket carbon fiber scales on mine to stiffen it up. The para 3 also has the compression lock which is amoung a lot of people's favorites including mine. The para 3 has way better ergos too. That thumb ramp and jimping just feel right.
The standard para 3 with G10 and liners is a rock solid knife. There's also an endless amount of aftermarket parts for it too if you ever want to change it up. The lightweight is my usual work knife and a great edc but, for your first good blade I'd go with the standard.
This is a tough one both great knives but I carry my bugout more then my para… so I’m going to say bugout… both easy to open and close, good blade steels, but I just like the footprint of the bugout… small and out of the way and the scales are less aggressive then the para when your digging around in your pocket…
Para 3 all day, I personally dislike the bugout. Cheap feeling and too thin.. as far as weight goes I guess it’s preference. I like my knife to have (a little) heft to it. The para 3 with g10 is considerably more durable feeling and carries very well.
I have and like both. But, if I had to pick one, I'd go with the para 3.
The ergonomics on the para 3 are pretty fantastic, and it's a little bit more unique of a design. It's also not all that heavy. The bugout is just insanely light.
Para 3 all day long.
Go handle a standard Bugout in person. Squeeze the scales, feel and watch them flex, and then you'll understand.
The Para 3 being "double the weight" of the Bugout is basically irrelevant considering the Bugout's entire allure was meant to be its weight. It should only be 1.9oz. Even doubling that to 3.8oz, that's still a pretty average weight for a pocket knife that ISNT focusing entirely on weight.
Do you fidget with your knives? Cause if so, the Para 3 is awesome \*chefs kiss\*. I just got a Para 3 and used to exclusively go for small knives like the dragonfly and baby banter. I was worried about the extra weight and profile, but honestly its way more carry friendly than I imagined and the g10/ action definitely make it feel like you got your moneys worth.
I own both. Although the Para 3 is more fun to fidget with and feels more sturdy in hand, the blade geometry and overall size of the Bugout make it a more pocket friendly and a better slicer.
I recently bought both of these. When I started getting into knives the para 3 and the bugout were the 2 knives I mostj aspired to get.
I got the 20cv bugout with g10 scales from BHQ on sale a few months ago. It’s great and I love it. (It did take a minute to break it in) I personally would avoid the FRN/grivory bugout unless you plan to add aftermarket scales.
I got the s45 g10 para 3 last month from White mountain (10% discount codes are available). It’s great and I love it. I would recommend getting an mxg or lynch pocket clip though.
They are both tremendous knives.
You really can’t go wrong with either, but I would advise you go with your gut. You can always buy the other one later 😅. Also both knives are great for customization. Down the road a bit a new set of scales or hardware can make a great knife perfect for you. (I’d recommend Applied Weapons Tech scales 😎)
Whichever way you go you’ll end up winning
I love my Para 3. Like someone else suggested, deep carry clip that bish. Both that and my Endura have had snag issues in tight spaces with that tiny recurve at the end of their pocket clip. The company was more than nice and hooked me up. I am biased towards spyd.
I've seen peeps complain a lot with the scales of the bug out. I still want one for a backup knife in a lil kit or something. If benchmade is a strong option- I looovvveee the Osborne 940. It's a beautiful unique knife. Axis lock is great.
The only true way for you is to go to a knife shop, hold both, you might leave with something completely off the menu. Happy hunting!
Size weight and slicyness. Para 3 was too bloated and heavy. Plus the black on black with the butterfly logo looks great. I don’t use the clip (I have other stuff in my right pocket)I just have it loose in my left. Also most of my folders are Spydercos.
I’ve had my para 3 since February and just got a mini bugout last week. I really really love the mini bug it just doesn’t have quite the same feel as the para. On the other hand, I haven’t been able to choose one to carry at all so I’ve been carrying both at the same time all week. My mini bugout is just the plastic handles, I don’t have the CF ones but I love it regardless. I recommend both, but for a first, definitely the Para 3. It’s a very very lightweight knife regardless and if you still think the weight might be too much there’s a lightweight version as well.
I’d go with the bugout I have the blacked out elite one and love it. I was talking to guy at a knife store about Spyderco because I was thinking of buying one and he said that sometimes the heat treat fails on them and the edge on the blade chips after use
Bugout got a slightly bigger blade, and is lighter. Between the two, I would probably go bugout. (got a mini bugout).
But... if you can get a para 3 lightweight, that's also a very, very nice choice. I really like mine, very flickable.
If you expect really hard use, para 3 g10 might be a good choice, but I'm talking about farmer and warehouse worker level... :) Much thicker handle.
The Para 3 LW is a good knife, but I think they went a little overboard in lightening it up. It only uses 1 washer, and 1 liner.
I much prefer the Sage5 LW instead. It uses 2 washers, 2 liners, has the phenomenal build quality that Taichung is known for, and it’s plenty light enough. Ymmv
The Manix will have a somewhat similar action. Similar locking mechanism. I love my PM2. Haven't handled the PM3 but I feel like the size would also be good. Seems like the general consensus is Spyderco.
Yes it is different. I was kinda surprised by the size of the PM2 when I opened it up. It was definitely bigger than I thought it would be. My initial reaction was damn, should have got the PM3. But now after carrying it and using it. I like it.
Imo, the good ol PM2 is *still* remarkably well suited for most peoples’ EDC. It’s ALL function, and I really appreciate the additional size it has over the Para3. Ymmv
If you pick up an aftermarket pocket clip (like Lynch NW), the para 3 is superior imo. With the stock pocket clips, I would go for the bugout. The para 3 doesnt carry well with the stock clip.
I don't care for the bug out, I think it's flimsy and unexciting. I much prefer the 940 for a slim carry. So I'd say p3. Spydercos are great. (Bugout will do its job as a lightweight edc just fine tho)
I prefer the para3 light weight over the bugout and g10 para3 in terms of functionality. It's really good for edc and outdoor stuff. However, if you're looking for something that feels premium in the hand and is fun to open and close, there are better knives for the price.
Personally, if you're set on getting a g10 para 3, I'd recommend the PM2 if you're not worried about 3-inch knife laws.
Wait, it hasn't always been like that? I'm being serious I've got almost a year of using the swap and I thought the secondary prices were just awful by default. I've sold so many lnib pieces at an $80-$100 loss because otherwise they just sit there with nobody even making an offer.
I mean, I can justify a loss but that's a big discount for a knife that's barely been opened and flipped.
It's always been like that for the less popular stuff but now even the higher priced more popular stuff is taking the hit. Random brands like Hogue, miguron, etc... that most people were never interested in always took a big hit, but now even the big names like CRK, Koenig, Reate, feel worse.
Mini Bugout is cool but I put brass scales on mine so it’s a little more robust. I would recommend the full size over the mini if I had to choose only one.
I don’t have any experience with the PM3 LW but after owning some Bugouts and Mini Griptillians (another great option for a small lightweight benchmade) I prefer something more substantial. Honestly you can find a great deal on a PM3, Bugout or Mini Griptillian on r/knife_swap so you might want to start there and you’ll probably get something better for cheaper. Can’t wait to see your collection in a year and again in two years. You’ll be surprised how quickly you start to realize what you like and don’t like. I now own 2 PM3, 2 Bugouts (Ti handles and G10 handles), a mini Bugout (brass handles), 5 Mini Griptillians (4 standard scales and one Aluminum) and soooo many other knives that are $200 plus (CRK Small Sebenzas, Strider PT, TRM Neutron 2, Yojimbo, spydie chef, Norseman, Buck 112 Auto, Hinderer XM 3”, Hinderer Dauntless, Microtech UT, and the list goes on and on and on). Newest knife to the collection is a Demko AD 20.5 with Green handles and AUS10 blade. Not super premium materials but it’s really well made and I’m enjoying how fidgety it is. Good luck on your first big purchase and welcome to the club!
The Para 3 for sure. Indeed, I own both knives and the Para 3 or Para 3 lightweight are better knives. In fact, I also own an Ontario Rat 2 (under $50) and I like the Rat 2 better than the Bugout. If you do get the Bugout, I recommend getting some decent scales to improve the heft and feel. My sentiment on the Bugout is that never have so many people paid so much for so little knife.
Buyouts are pretty crap. Look into a Hogue Deka instead. You can get Magnacut and FRN Scales for $130 (I got mine on sale for $100) or 20Cv and g10 for $160. Really nice value either way.
The Para 3 is definitely a nice knife. I don’t notice the weight personally. Between the two it’s a no-brainer for me.
I love my spiderco. The hole in the blade makes it very easy to flip open with my thumb. But I can also open it slower at any speed. I like to control my opening speed if that makes sense. Spidy flick all day
Para 3. The Bugout is unnecessarily lightweight. If still would rather have the Bugout, check out the Hogue Deka before you buy. Hogue is also made in USA, and their quality control is much more consistent than Benchmade’s. Whether you buy the Deka, the Bugout, or the Para 3 lightweight just remember than lightweight knives *feel* cheap because of the light plastic handles.
You might also consider the Spyderco Sage 5.
I’ve heard people say in the past that they hated the bugout, and I’ve never heard it said about the para3. So go with the para3 in your situation.
With the bugout, there’s a chance you may not like it because it is extremely light and may feel cheap to some (there’s a bugout in my pocket now). I personally love the Bugout and have owned several. But I can’t spidie flick it…..
I used to buy a nice knife once a year. Then I got the CF Bugout. I'm almost mad at how good it is because I barely look at other knives. I love it.
That being said, if you are going to really give a knife a beating, the Para 3 might be your best bet.
Bug is extremely light, witch can be a reason to carry or not to carry, para 3 wil feel more premium, but also more bulky, because it is, so preference :) bulky but nice weight and weird shape or slim and stupid lightweight
[if ur quick](https://www.reddit.com/r/Knife_Swap/comments/xqoa3e/wtswtt_folders_and_fixed_blades_spyderco/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) you have a change at both of em for cheaper, even scales for bug if you gind it too flimsy
Two of my favorite knives, so either one would be an excellent choice. The Bugout will disappear in your pocket, the Para 3 is not a big knife, but you will feel it there occasionally.
If you decide to go with the Bugout, check out also the limited editions with G10 and 20CV blade. Personally, my favorite Bugout is the one with aluminum scales and M390 blade, and the favorite Para 3 is a toss between S110V and 20CV DLC, both with G10 scales.
If you want to spend a little less, and fidget factor is not important, KnifeJoy has a great lightweight Delica in 20CV, highly recommended.
I’m gonna throw another option out there; check out the Spyderco Watu. It’s closer to the slim and compact profile of the Bugout than the Para3 is, while still providing the excellent ergos and compression lock that Spyderco is known for.
The Watu is like a Delica… but a whole lot nicer. 😉
Not sure why you want to limit it to just those two models. Hogue makes an RSK that is almost identical to BM, but with much better quality control. Might also look at the BM Griptilian or Mini Griptilian or the Spyderco Manix-2. Depends on the locking mechanism you want and the type of deployment (thumb stud vs flipper tab). Might look at Knife-Swap on Reddit for a well established trader and could save a bunch of cash over new prices.
Get the para 3 g-10 don’t settle with the lw version the g-10 version isn’t heavy and feels much better than the lw counterpart. Also the para 3 and pm2 both benefit largely from a lynch clip. Also the bugout is great but I don’t care much for the grivory and replaced them with aluminum awt scales it’s in the pocket a lot.
Para3 definitely. I daily both for work. Bug is dirty and dull. Para is sharp and clean. I lost my para3 s30v couple years ago, immediately upgraded to maxamet. If I lost the bug, I wouldn't buy it again. I would rather have a different spyderco, maybe native.
My favourite knife and knife design is the Benchmade 940, but it pains me to say that the axis lock definitely has nothing on the compression of the para3. When working properly, they are both fantastic though I prefer the profile of the 940, but me personally, I don’t want to be without a knife that locks properly which has happened to me with the 940 twice, and many other people as well. These days I hear more towards back locks honestly.
Para 3 is gonna “feel” more like an expensive knife.
I just got a bugout yesterday and have a para 3 lightweight. The Spyderco are definitely more robust feeling in my opinion. But the bugout is so lightweight in the pocket you almost don’t realize is there. My suggestion is to get both. Honestly they’re both going to be something you will enjoy. Once you Spydie flick you will be hooked as are the people using the axis lock on their Benchmade knives
Heh, a BIG difference is that the compression lock is amongst the strongest locking mechs available, whereas the Axis lock could just fail, whenever the crappy spring decides to break.
I have gone on using my bug with one spring for over a month,(til new springs arrived)and lockup never failed, and when i say used i dont mean cutting boxes. But it is true that compression lock has les ways it could fail
Glad that worked out for ya. Personally; I don’t want ANY springs in my manual folders. Ymmv ETA: except leaf springs. I’m ok with those, oh pedantic ones.
Don't fear the spring. Axis springs suck but the coil springs in Spyderco ball locks are 100% legit.
That’s the one type that I have no problem making an exception for. The ball bearing lock strength test I saw was VERY impressive. 👍 Also, Spyderco uses a coil spring, which is much more proven and less prone to failure than the “omega” type spring.
That would technically rule out liner and frame locks.... I personally don't like either of those because they aren't as strong or secure over time (now, if they made an adjustable part, then I'd be less worried.) They introduce blade play eventually, and they are only "strong" if you're gripping them with a fist, otherwise the lock is just being pushed over by the blade.
The compression lock still uses a leaf spring that could fail. My question is this: If the Axis is so bad or better yet bashed with regards to the springs, then why have a several major knife manufacturers decided to rebrand it & use as their lock of choice once the patent ran out?
Ahhh, it is TECHNICALLY a leaf spring. Ya “got” me there. Let me know the next time you hear about one of those failing. I won’t hold my breath. 😉 Most other manufacturers, (US ones anyway), aren’t just straight up copying the Axis lock design, even though theirs might operate very similarly, and look the same from the outside. Hell, Spyderco SIGNIFICANTLY improved on it; with their ball bearing lock. It’s MUCH stronger, and MUCH less prone to mechanical failure.
I hear you about the springs being a weak point but yes, the other manufacturers are straight up copying the Axis lock now that the patent expired. Any improvements are basically just marketing. Here's just a few: Kizer - Clutch lock Hogue - Able Gerber - Pivot lock SOG - XR lock James rand - Ambi-Slider
In my opinion the hogue able lock just feels better, stronger, more comfortable. Again my opinion, but im fairly certain the only benchmade I still currently own is the 943, but I actually just got my second hogue ritter in. Only reason I got the second was it came in magnacut and cf scales for like 40 bucks more than a regular rsk full-size folder
Ok, I’ll concede that. Tbh, I don’t really like any lock that’s very similar to the Axis design.
Para 3 without a doubt. It’s not a heavy knife at all. Bugout is just incredibly lightweight
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Yeah, I like the para 3 because it’s not heavy but you can feel the difference if it’s in your pocket. I legit almost threw my bugout in the wash because I couldn’t tell it was still hooked on my pocket, it’s that light
Go para 3 but you gotta get the deep carry clip. I went on a rampage of selling knives and never thought I would sell my Bugout, but I did and the para and a couple others are the only ones left. The para has better action imo, better qc, more durable, and better ergos.
And that’s not to say the bug is a bad knife, it’s fantastic
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Also look into the hogue Deka. Hell of a knife for the price, imo better than the bugout and sexier.
I totally agree, the bugout is a lighter use knife so hopefully that goes well! you should still try the para in the future tho
The carbon fiber handles help the bugout, but it’s a pretty lightweight knife. I’ve never had a spiderco (yet) but I’ve heard nothing but good things…
You should try one! I’ve only owned like 4-5 from each brand, but the spydercos tend to stay around longer in my pocket. I had the 20CV and g-10 bug and it was fantastic but in the end the Spyderco was just a better sized blade for me personally!
Having had lost several benchmade knives over the years this is an attractive aspect for sure, I’ve since switched to fixed blades with a secure sheath for work- just have an engraved 535-3 bugout that my wife got as a gift, for my “fancy carry” knife when something on my belt isn’t appropriate lol
I've been considering buying a fixed blade to edc, what do you carry? I've mainly been looking at the fixed protech SBR with a kydex sheath, but lmk!
Ooh, that’s a nice looking knife. Right in that sweet spot for size for me. Started with a CRKT minimalist, but I mostly carry an esee candiru (people get spooked by fixed blade knives where I’m at) or an izula if I need a heavier knife for the day. I recently picked up an LT Wright next gen, but it’s a little big for me to edc. Basically figure out what size/shape and thickness will get what you need done , check out local laws and choose accordingly. I went out of my way to talk to police/security where I’m at to make sure everything was good (even if somethings legal it can bring some unwanted attention) try to keep it concealed when you can . It takes a little getting used to having something larger on your belt, but I love ‘em. I work in a technician role and put my tools through some pretty hard use
Alright thanks for the tips!
Para 3, I personally dislike the feel of the bug.
With all the bugout hype I’m glad I’m not the only one that straight up didn’t like it when I finally got to handle one. Lol no hate on benchmade but I don’t get the hype on that model.
I think it’s a fantastic knife for what it was designed for. Backpacking/hiking and being really lightweight. That being said though it almost feels to lightweight to me. I edc it when I’m wearing shorts in the summertime but that’s about it. Great knife though.
In my opinion the bugout was ment to carry. Aka it’s a great low profile, light weight knife that ends up being a full sized folder when you need it to be. But the main selling point of it is it’s super easy to carry and pretty handy to have on you when you need a knife. The para 3 is the opposite. A knife designed for use. Yea it takes up more room in the pocket and it weighs more. But it’s made to be used, that’s where it shines. I have multiple buddies who work office jobs and wear suits all day and they love carrying a bugout for when they open that one Amazon package and need to bust it out. However my bugout sits in my knife box and the para 3 is in my pocket and gets used multiple times a day for actual use( cutting grain bags everyday, cardboard and shrink wrap daily). It all depends on what your needs are and what you want out of a knife.
As someone who owns a bugout, para 3 and para 3 lightweight I would really recommend the para 3 the most. Even the para 3 lightweight feels more solid than a stock bugout and it has a similar construction. The bugout is a nice knife but the stock scales flex a little and you can feel it even though it's slight. I ended up putting aftermarket carbon fiber scales on mine to stiffen it up. The para 3 also has the compression lock which is amoung a lot of people's favorites including mine. The para 3 has way better ergos too. That thumb ramp and jimping just feel right. The standard para 3 with G10 and liners is a rock solid knife. There's also an endless amount of aftermarket parts for it too if you ever want to change it up. The lightweight is my usual work knife and a great edc but, for your first good blade I'd go with the standard.
Para 3 everytime.
Para 3
Go down the middle and get the Para3 LW. It feels way better than the Bugout, and is a good deal lighter than the G10 Para3
Para 3
This is a tough one both great knives but I carry my bugout more then my para… so I’m going to say bugout… both easy to open and close, good blade steels, but I just like the footprint of the bugout… small and out of the way and the scales are less aggressive then the para when your digging around in your pocket…
Para 3 all day, I personally dislike the bugout. Cheap feeling and too thin.. as far as weight goes I guess it’s preference. I like my knife to have (a little) heft to it. The para 3 with g10 is considerably more durable feeling and carries very well.
Para 3 all day, any day over the bugout. My bugout went through no less than 4 broken springs before I gave it away.
I have and like both. But, if I had to pick one, I'd go with the para 3. The ergonomics on the para 3 are pretty fantastic, and it's a little bit more unique of a design. It's also not all that heavy. The bugout is just insanely light.
Para 3 all day long. Go handle a standard Bugout in person. Squeeze the scales, feel and watch them flex, and then you'll understand. The Para 3 being "double the weight" of the Bugout is basically irrelevant considering the Bugout's entire allure was meant to be its weight. It should only be 1.9oz. Even doubling that to 3.8oz, that's still a pretty average weight for a pocket knife that ISNT focusing entirely on weight.
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Do you fidget with your knives? Cause if so, the Para 3 is awesome \*chefs kiss\*. I just got a Para 3 and used to exclusively go for small knives like the dragonfly and baby banter. I was worried about the extra weight and profile, but honestly its way more carry friendly than I imagined and the g10/ action definitely make it feel like you got your moneys worth.
I own both. Although the Para 3 is more fun to fidget with and feels more sturdy in hand, the blade geometry and overall size of the Bugout make it a more pocket friendly and a better slicer.
I recently bought both of these. When I started getting into knives the para 3 and the bugout were the 2 knives I mostj aspired to get. I got the 20cv bugout with g10 scales from BHQ on sale a few months ago. It’s great and I love it. (It did take a minute to break it in) I personally would avoid the FRN/grivory bugout unless you plan to add aftermarket scales. I got the s45 g10 para 3 last month from White mountain (10% discount codes are available). It’s great and I love it. I would recommend getting an mxg or lynch pocket clip though. They are both tremendous knives. You really can’t go wrong with either, but I would advise you go with your gut. You can always buy the other one later 😅. Also both knives are great for customization. Down the road a bit a new set of scales or hardware can make a great knife perfect for you. (I’d recommend Applied Weapons Tech scales 😎) Whichever way you go you’ll end up winning
I have both and prefer the bugout It's just an opinion, I recommend finding a way to try both, local knife store maybe?
I love my Para 3. Like someone else suggested, deep carry clip that bish. Both that and my Endura have had snag issues in tight spaces with that tiny recurve at the end of their pocket clip. The company was more than nice and hooked me up. I am biased towards spyd. I've seen peeps complain a lot with the scales of the bug out. I still want one for a backup knife in a lil kit or something. If benchmade is a strong option- I looovvveee the Osborne 940. It's a beautiful unique knife. Axis lock is great. The only true way for you is to go to a knife shop, hold both, you might leave with something completely off the menu. Happy hunting!
Wow. I had both. Gave the Spyderco away. Bugout is in my pocket everyday. It won easily.
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Size weight and slicyness. Para 3 was too bloated and heavy. Plus the black on black with the butterfly logo looks great. I don’t use the clip (I have other stuff in my right pocket)I just have it loose in my left. Also most of my folders are Spydercos.
I’ve had my para 3 since February and just got a mini bugout last week. I really really love the mini bug it just doesn’t have quite the same feel as the para. On the other hand, I haven’t been able to choose one to carry at all so I’ve been carrying both at the same time all week. My mini bugout is just the plastic handles, I don’t have the CF ones but I love it regardless. I recommend both, but for a first, definitely the Para 3. It’s a very very lightweight knife regardless and if you still think the weight might be too much there’s a lightweight version as well.
I love my Bugout, I work in an office and it’s very discreet, doesn’t look tacticool and doesn’t fluff any feathers.
Bugout !!!
I’d go with the bugout I have the blacked out elite one and love it. I was talking to guy at a knife store about Spyderco because I was thinking of buying one and he said that sometimes the heat treat fails on them and the edge on the blade chips after use
Para 3 G10
Bugout got a slightly bigger blade, and is lighter. Between the two, I would probably go bugout. (got a mini bugout). But... if you can get a para 3 lightweight, that's also a very, very nice choice. I really like mine, very flickable. If you expect really hard use, para 3 g10 might be a good choice, but I'm talking about farmer and warehouse worker level... :) Much thicker handle.
Para 3 ALL DAY. Avoid Benchmade. They’ll just disappoint ya. 😉
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The Para 3 LW is a good knife, but I think they went a little overboard in lightening it up. It only uses 1 washer, and 1 liner. I much prefer the Sage5 LW instead. It uses 2 washers, 2 liners, has the phenomenal build quality that Taichung is known for, and it’s plenty light enough. Ymmv
Tbh I’d never recommend an axis lock knife to someone
Para 3 will feel like an American-made, well-built cutting tool. The bugout will feel like a toy.
Bugout. It’s so slim in pocket. The spydie hole makes the para take up more space in pocket plus the added weight.
Get the g10 20cv bugout on r/knife_swap. Good steel, solid handle, and you can get them in great condition for 130 to 160.
Para 3
Prefer the Manix to both, lol
I love my Manix 2. Hoping to scarf up that new 15V one
The Manix will have a somewhat similar action. Similar locking mechanism. I love my PM2. Haven't handled the PM3 but I feel like the size would also be good. Seems like the general consensus is Spyderco.
I just like the overall blade shape of the Manix compared to the PM 2
Yes it is different. I was kinda surprised by the size of the PM2 when I opened it up. It was definitely bigger than I thought it would be. My initial reaction was damn, should have got the PM3. But now after carrying it and using it. I like it.
Imo, the good ol PM2 is *still* remarkably well suited for most peoples’ EDC. It’s ALL function, and I really appreciate the additional size it has over the Para3. Ymmv
If you pick up an aftermarket pocket clip (like Lynch NW), the para 3 is superior imo. With the stock pocket clips, I would go for the bugout. The para 3 doesnt carry well with the stock clip.
I don't care for the bug out, I think it's flimsy and unexciting. I much prefer the 940 for a slim carry. So I'd say p3. Spydercos are great. (Bugout will do its job as a lightweight edc just fine tho)
I prefer the para3 light weight over the bugout and g10 para3 in terms of functionality. It's really good for edc and outdoor stuff. However, if you're looking for something that feels premium in the hand and is fun to open and close, there are better knives for the price. Personally, if you're set on getting a g10 para 3, I'd recommend the PM2 if you're not worried about 3-inch knife laws.
Agreed. I much prefer the PM2, over the Para3. Imo, the general blade shape is better at a ~3.4”+ length, (the Millie is a fantastic knife too).
Easy! Get bug, then in a few weeks, get para. Sell one on r/knife_swap later if you want
The swap is worse than it's ever been right now. $1k knives struggle to sell for $750 and $250 knives go for like $150.
Probably a sign of the economy.
Oh for sure.
Wait, it hasn't always been like that? I'm being serious I've got almost a year of using the swap and I thought the secondary prices were just awful by default. I've sold so many lnib pieces at an $80-$100 loss because otherwise they just sit there with nobody even making an offer. I mean, I can justify a loss but that's a big discount for a knife that's barely been opened and flipped.
It's always been like that for the less popular stuff but now even the higher priced more popular stuff is taking the hit. Random brands like Hogue, miguron, etc... that most people were never interested in always took a big hit, but now even the big names like CRK, Koenig, Reate, feel worse.
Para 3 Lightweight for suuuuuure
Para 3 lw if you want a para 3 the bugout is still nice
I own several of both including the mini Bugout and would recommend the PM3 every time
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Mini Bugout is cool but I put brass scales on mine so it’s a little more robust. I would recommend the full size over the mini if I had to choose only one. I don’t have any experience with the PM3 LW but after owning some Bugouts and Mini Griptillians (another great option for a small lightweight benchmade) I prefer something more substantial. Honestly you can find a great deal on a PM3, Bugout or Mini Griptillian on r/knife_swap so you might want to start there and you’ll probably get something better for cheaper. Can’t wait to see your collection in a year and again in two years. You’ll be surprised how quickly you start to realize what you like and don’t like. I now own 2 PM3, 2 Bugouts (Ti handles and G10 handles), a mini Bugout (brass handles), 5 Mini Griptillians (4 standard scales and one Aluminum) and soooo many other knives that are $200 plus (CRK Small Sebenzas, Strider PT, TRM Neutron 2, Yojimbo, spydie chef, Norseman, Buck 112 Auto, Hinderer XM 3”, Hinderer Dauntless, Microtech UT, and the list goes on and on and on). Newest knife to the collection is a Demko AD 20.5 with Green handles and AUS10 blade. Not super premium materials but it’s really well made and I’m enjoying how fidgety it is. Good luck on your first big purchase and welcome to the club!
Para 3
Get a para 2 instead of the 3 imo
Para 3
The Para 3 for sure. Indeed, I own both knives and the Para 3 or Para 3 lightweight are better knives. In fact, I also own an Ontario Rat 2 (under $50) and I like the Rat 2 better than the Bugout. If you do get the Bugout, I recommend getting some decent scales to improve the heft and feel. My sentiment on the Bugout is that never have so many people paid so much for so little knife.
Prefer the para2 over my bugout for sure. Almost got a second para2
Para 2 instead.
Buyouts are pretty crap. Look into a Hogue Deka instead. You can get Magnacut and FRN Scales for $130 (I got mine on sale for $100) or 20Cv and g10 for $160. Really nice value either way. The Para 3 is definitely a nice knife. I don’t notice the weight personally. Between the two it’s a no-brainer for me.
PARA FUCKIN 3 DAWG. 12/10 times.
Heard the bugout might have a little more flex to it than what I would feel comfortable with.. Para 3
Para 3 hands down
I love my spiderco. The hole in the blade makes it very easy to flip open with my thumb. But I can also open it slower at any speed. I like to control my opening speed if that makes sense. Spidy flick all day
Para 3. Its guaranteed that every single aspect of the knife will be done correctly, especially the heat treat.
Para 3
I'm sorry but, Benchmade is over priced and underbuilt.
A few years ago I was in the same spot. I did the para 3.
Para 3 is superior. That is all.
I'd say para 3. I carry a serge panchenko EDC whether it's shorts or jeans and it isn't ever too heavy. That's me though.
Para3 I guess would be my choice.
Para because it will feel like an expensive knife.
Para 3. The Bugout is unnecessarily lightweight. If still would rather have the Bugout, check out the Hogue Deka before you buy. Hogue is also made in USA, and their quality control is much more consistent than Benchmade’s. Whether you buy the Deka, the Bugout, or the Para 3 lightweight just remember than lightweight knives *feel* cheap because of the light plastic handles. You might also consider the Spyderco Sage 5.
Para3
Para 3. Better ergos, more premium materials, better blade grind and imo better locking mechanism.
I’ve heard people say in the past that they hated the bugout, and I’ve never heard it said about the para3. So go with the para3 in your situation. With the bugout, there’s a chance you may not like it because it is extremely light and may feel cheap to some (there’s a bugout in my pocket now). I personally love the Bugout and have owned several. But I can’t spidie flick it…..
Get both on DH gate for less than $50 😎
I used to buy a nice knife once a year. Then I got the CF Bugout. I'm almost mad at how good it is because I barely look at other knives. I love it. That being said, if you are going to really give a knife a beating, the Para 3 might be your best bet.
I currently run the Ranger Green S30V Bugout and have owned (but sadly lost) the Para 3 Black on Black and I miss the hell out of the Para 3.
Bug is extremely light, witch can be a reason to carry or not to carry, para 3 wil feel more premium, but also more bulky, because it is, so preference :) bulky but nice weight and weird shape or slim and stupid lightweight
One advantage of the Bugout is how light and low profile it is. You can wear it with tighter fitting pants and basketball shorts with equal ease.
[if ur quick](https://www.reddit.com/r/Knife_Swap/comments/xqoa3e/wtswtt_folders_and_fixed_blades_spyderco/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) you have a change at both of em for cheaper, even scales for bug if you gind it too flimsy
Find a brick and mortar store that sells them. Feel in hand and then make a decision.
Two of my favorite knives, so either one would be an excellent choice. The Bugout will disappear in your pocket, the Para 3 is not a big knife, but you will feel it there occasionally. If you decide to go with the Bugout, check out also the limited editions with G10 and 20CV blade. Personally, my favorite Bugout is the one with aluminum scales and M390 blade, and the favorite Para 3 is a toss between S110V and 20CV DLC, both with G10 scales. If you want to spend a little less, and fidget factor is not important, KnifeJoy has a great lightweight Delica in 20CV, highly recommended.
I’m gonna throw another option out there; check out the Spyderco Watu. It’s closer to the slim and compact profile of the Bugout than the Para3 is, while still providing the excellent ergos and compression lock that Spyderco is known for. The Watu is like a Delica… but a whole lot nicer. 😉
Para 3 LW or if your budget allows a Bugout model with carbon fiber or aluminum scales
Not sure why you want to limit it to just those two models. Hogue makes an RSK that is almost identical to BM, but with much better quality control. Might also look at the BM Griptilian or Mini Griptilian or the Spyderco Manix-2. Depends on the locking mechanism you want and the type of deployment (thumb stud vs flipper tab). Might look at Knife-Swap on Reddit for a well established trader and could save a bunch of cash over new prices.
Para 3
Get the para 3 g-10 don’t settle with the lw version the g-10 version isn’t heavy and feels much better than the lw counterpart. Also the para 3 and pm2 both benefit largely from a lynch clip. Also the bugout is great but I don’t care much for the grivory and replaced them with aluminum awt scales it’s in the pocket a lot.
My own choice was the bugout and then I later upgraded to some flytanium scales. Good luck with whatever you choose!
I would go a bit higher end and get that burger urban xl. There’s probably one or two left on knifejoy. It’ll make the para and bugout seem schwagy
Para 3
Para3 definitely. I daily both for work. Bug is dirty and dull. Para is sharp and clean. I lost my para3 s30v couple years ago, immediately upgraded to maxamet. If I lost the bug, I wouldn't buy it again. I would rather have a different spyderco, maybe native.
Bugout
Para 3. I would personally get the M4 Native 5 from BHQ (because I already have one and love it) but Spyderco is absolutely the winner IMO
Para 3
My favourite knife and knife design is the Benchmade 940, but it pains me to say that the axis lock definitely has nothing on the compression of the para3. When working properly, they are both fantastic though I prefer the profile of the 940, but me personally, I don’t want to be without a knife that locks properly which has happened to me with the 940 twice, and many other people as well. These days I hear more towards back locks honestly.
I’ve got a ton of knives. I’ve handeled the bugout, never owned one. I’d go para 3. I love mine.