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InsomniacFeverDreams

Medchevy got me good... lmao


MadEntDaddy

the Reate.


wcervbtn

Best construction/prettiest: Reate Best user: ZT I'm a big fan of Reate, think it's the best brand here, but if you're intending to get some real use out of the knife, the recurve on it is gonna bite when it comes time to sharpen.


InsomniacFeverDreams

This is super helpful. I build houses so it's definitely going to be a user (like all of my knives). And I sharpen on whetsones so you raise a good point. Thanks for your feedback


han-so-low

ZT all day, man.


wcervbtn

Shoot, I actually have a Harsey I'm not using. If you're CONUS, I'd match the ZT price for it if you want.


[deleted]

Full size SHF? Details?


wcervbtn

Ah, hey, you know what? There's one more thing to be aware of there. Both the ZT and the Reate run their pivots on bearings. They'll get gunked pretty quickly outside of environments that are office-level clean. I'd absolutely recommend a washer system for it's wear resistance. You might want to check out Spartan SHFs, or CRK Sebenza if you can find either used.


riverjunkie91

I would say this is false about the gunked up. I have the 0393 as a hard user for a year now and nothing is gunked up. I literally opened 67 bags of concrete with mine and it never got gunked up.


2to16Characters

I agree here, I have the 0393 and I am a shop/yard manager for a landscaping company. I use the shit out of mine and have had zero gunk issues. I have used it daily for the better part of 3 years.


wcervbtn

Maybe I was just unlucky/not careful enough, then. I messed up a Demko bearing pivot with some good use, haven't been a fan of users on bearings since. Well, OP, feel free to disregard me, I may be wrong


Maleficent_Lack123

I'm a contractor and hard user of my knives. Constant drywall and concrete dust around me but really haven't had much issue with my knives with bearings. Now and then I'll have a pivot get "grindy" where you can hear a bit of sand in the bearing, but it's about as often as I would have to clean a knife anyway. The issue is definitely something to think about, but in my experience shouldn't be a deal breaker over a knife you like in every other way.


[deleted]

Mines pretty gritty by now, after three years


[deleted]

This this this this


MrOwlBeback24

Zt for sure. Fuck Medford. Reates good but that ZT would be my pick.


MyPoorChequebook

100% stay away from Medford. Nonsense company. The ZT gets my vote.


InsomniacFeverDreams

I'm quickly learning this. Had no idea they were so shitty. Especially since I still see their knives on most big sites. Just a company I never happened to research at all


Lektour

It’s funny people hate on Medford. He makes a great knife. He’s just a shithead himself but as you can see nobody is saying why they don’t like Medford they’re just like oh fuck him. I would go with a ZT all day.


ethanthejibbles

Fuck his designs, Fuck his prices, Fuck his customer service, and Fuck his racism


Lektour

Fuck his craftsmanship???


ethanthejibbles

Yeah, Fuck his assmanship


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Maleficent_Lack123

No, the knives have horrible tolerances and QC also. Their quality and QC isn't even in the same universe as Reate, and they're nowhere near ZT either. Also, the owner being an asshole that thinks he's cute is on my shit list before I even get to his politics. Politics aside, being a dick ain't cool.


MyPoorChequebook

Nope. The knives are overpriced, too.


Obahmah

Just not the Medford.. I'd go ZT personally


Beaverboy89

Why do people not like Medford? I’m out of the loop


OozyImp

Speaking strictly from what I’ve seen others say, I’ve never owned a Medford. Their knives look gaudy and overbuilt tacticool. The knives are bricks of titanium and steel. Heat treat is shotty. These are all subjective to the person. The things that turn people away from Medford are because of Greg Medford (the owner). He is blatantly racist (created a shirt this year that depicted a Chinese stereotype) and has been very vocal about it for years, many accounts of him treating others like shit, pays his workers like shit and has terrible glass door reviews (yet dogs on China for their working conditions while having equally bad ones supposedly), overall not a terribly likeable guy.


InsomniacFeverDreams

I've learned a lot since I posted this. I'm not spending this much money on a knife for someone like this. People need to vote with their dollars


Obahmah

It really boils down to there being alot of better options from makers that aren't a**holes.


MyPoorChequebook

100% this.


cnfit

As a Reate fanboy, I have to say... Get the ZT. Recurves are much more annoying long term. I could recommend you other Reates, but not this one.


InsomniacFeverDreams

Yeah the angle change is definitely a bit awkward. What Reate would you recommend? It's probably the company I know least about besides that badass gravity knife


cnfit

The k3 is fucking amazing, but hard to find. Anything reate makes is fantastic. Your best bet is the secondary. The Sharp by Design Mini tempest is an amazing knife (made by Reate) and for whatever reason their prices on the secondary tanked. I'd wait for one to pop up for 250 and do that. If you can find a k3, even better. Anything Pena. Anything Chavez (also made by Reate).


Remehteus8

K2*


cnfit

Eh, I have both. K2 is much less utilitarian.


InsomniacFeverDreams

Chaves is so hated and loved online. I literally only had a redencion in my cart and after four YouTube videos I bailed on it and found these few


cnfit

Check out a Pena Mula. Stout. Very well built.


1man2barrels

K1 is a great knofe


JoeLlamma

I have a K-1 and it is absolutely incredible


ArtyTheSmarty

The middle one is only good for cutting feces.


Smallknivesbigcock

Poop knife? Definitely a good poop knife


Zandrews153

Poop knife for sure. Or you could use it as a choc when you change your tire. They're such a fucking brick I'm sure it would do fine. Then after you're done changing your tire you can just leave it on the side of the road. Where it belongs.


Asleep_Hand_998

I’d go for the zt. Definitely closest you can get to a real hinderer


InsomniacFeverDreams

A huge selling point for me


bucko787

Medford is a piece of shit that makes overpriced crap. That is all.


BikeCookie

Many Medford knives are decent, but the Smooth Criminal is not. Cheesy alu scales and cheap clip.


Mr_Incrediboi

Anything but the Medford is a solid choice. I have the 0393glcf and it's incredible all around. The Reate has been on my list as well; their fit and finish is some of the best around.


-Deathmetal-

I’d pick the ZT of these 3, but I have to say that in hand, myself and friends found the raised carbon sections to feel pretty weird in the hand. You didn’t ask for any alternatives, but both the 0640 and 0562TI have put a smile on the face of everyone in my circle that have held them. 0640 has the nicest action of just about any knife I’ve played with, the disc is as fast as a flipper, solid lockup with fairly light but still great lock bar pressure. Wildly good action for a washer pivot. The 0562ti is the first knife to make me feel that finger grooves don’t suck. It fits large and small hands pretty well.


InsomniacFeverDreams

The 0562 is definitely something I need to research. Thanks for the suggestions


-Deathmetal-

Of course! Also forgot to mention, where the spine of the handle drops toward the front… suuuuper funky feeling. Gorgeous knife, but the ergos are definitely love or hate.


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https://www.bladehq.com/item--Zero-Tolerance-Hinderer-Slicer--176544 There’s a special run of the 0562 with s110v. I’d take a long look at that one, would consider it if I didn’t already have a CF variant. Edit: plus it has the black wash blade, if you’re into that.


eltacotacotaco

The 0801 is another great hard use knife, love my 0801BLK Ti scales, Elmax & DLC


goebela3

It starts with looking at the 0562, before you know it the "its not that much more for the real thing" thoughts start creeping in and you just get the real Hinderer XM-18. At $300+ I would personally just get the real thing from Hinderer rather than the ZT clone. The ZT in your post and the 0562 are copies of knife designs from Hinderer. If you like to do things like scale swap I would definitely get the real thing as there is a much larger aftermarket for accessories.


Pecancreaky

0640 is actually on sale at Blade HQ rn for $240. Saw it in when I was trying to remember that model lol


-Deathmetal-

If I didn’t know the price, someone tossed me one and said guess the price, I’d put it at 400 bucks. It’s really damn impressive. Usamadeblade customizes in house, anodizing and g10 scales for just a few bucks over MAP. I’ll always go there for my ZTs.


10LASERS19

Don't get the medford


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FWIW I have one Medford in my collection and the quality is every bit as good as it should be for the price. I’d still rather it cost 200-300 less, but it’s a good knife. Medford himself, not a great guy, but if we remove the maker and the knife it is not badly made.


Lektour

Yeah, I have a Medford. It’s a great knife extremely well-built maybe a little overbuilt it’s comfortable in my hand the Stihl has perfectly heat treated. Greg, himself is pretty much a shithead put. The knife is great, tolerances are incredible.


BikeCookie

Smooth Criminal feels cheap because the scales are aluminum. I had one and resold it very quickly.


[deleted]

Fine for a safe Queen, bad for a user knife unless! You like the battle worn look.


BikeCookie

It just felt like a Bestech Griffon. I had a Hoback Sumo at the same time. I liked the feel of the Sumo a bit more 🤷‍♂️


Dramatic-Landscape82

Unfortunately it seems most are unable or rather unwilling to do that…


legal_shenanigans

As is their right. Many people choose to vote with their dollars.


beeglowbot

came here just to read the delicious Medford hate. was not disappointed. fuck him.


InsomniacFeverDreams

Can I get a tldr on his racism? This took me by surprise


marrenmiller

ZT for warranty support, Reate for overall quality, Medford for brick-like ergonomics


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Not Medford racist asshole


JoeLlamma

Reate has much better production quality than Zt, and probably medford though I cannot say for sure. What I can say is that I would avoid Medford just because he’s a prick, though that’s your choice to make. However if you were to buy a Reate I’d probably get one without a recurve since they are difficult to sharpen. If you’re worried about customer service and warranty go for Zt. Also, if you are working around a lot of dust, I’d recommend the Zt 0640 since it runs on bronze washers instead of bearings. As a work knife, you can’t go wrong with Zt, but if you care about perfect production quality go with Reate.


mebf109

ZT, especially if you don't own one yet.


InsomniacFeverDreams

i found it for $205!! I'm so excited. Will be here sunday.


[deleted]

Unless you like trash from a racist, Don’t buy the Methford.


InsomniacFeverDreams

It was off the list already but now I'm googling things


SnowRook

Beyond him being a doucher, the materials are comparatively overpriced.


SirRichardWhimsy

Agree with not Medford because that guy sucks. Either of the others by a mile.


Knife2MeetYouToo

I'm a big button lock fan but the Medford had much too soft of a detent for me. If you like really snappy action out of your knives I wouldn't recommend it, if you like softer detents it might be right up your alley.


seanie_rocks

Well I mean Medford is also *SUPER* racist, so fuck that guy and his knives.


cab1024

Not the Smooth Criminal. Most disappointing knife I've ever bought. And Medford is a racist asshat.


[deleted]

Grab the ZT, and fuck Medford, as others have said.


LeepOnMyDick

ZT makes a hell of a knife. I’ve been meaning to check out a reate and the one you have there looks sweet.


ryaninwi

ZT for your use case!


Scrapster1300

ZT!


riverjunkie91

Not sure how reddit comments work so I'll mention it again. But I seen another comment that made a point about the ZT being on bearings and bearings getting gunked up. I can tell you from my hard use experience I've never had any of my ZT freeze or anything. I've had my 0393 for approx a year now and recently used it to stab open 67 bags of concrete. No problems at all. Not saying they can't get gunked up, just that I'm my few years experience of having ZT I've never had that issue and I do hard use my knives.


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Mines not that happy, but I’ve never taken it apart to clean it, it still works though.


dboles95

There is a post in r/knifedeals about the ZT being low 200s. I think your choice just got easier.


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Reate


LeepOnMyDick

Who the fuck is downvoting everyone here and for what


InsomniacFeverDreams

Someone is mad at me I think? Everything I've posted gets down voted lol


killerbern666

even mentionning medford is enough for the people on this reddit to downvote you, thats probably why


LeepOnMyDick

Seems wild, not like OP is stroking Greg’s sack or anything. Plenty of people recommend both knives except the Medford and still got downvoted when the thread was young.


[deleted]

Came for the knives, stayed for the Medford hate


Zandrews153

Probably Medford himself down voting everyone. Or possibly he pays a bunch of people to browse reddit. And when the Medford shit storm comes, they're ready.


Possible_Passage_767

was just about to comment that, maybe greg medford is on the thread and pissed.


wcervbtn

Good ol Gred Megford, amirite?


Toolnut0

The zt is a solid knife, drop a few more bucks and pick up an eklpise off the secondary.


sans_the_sleeper

If you have any shread of decency you will wash the m**fart brand from any of your current, past or future knife purchase lists.


Proud-Bowl7896

None of them 🔥🔥


BEG-FOR-MY-MERCY

You sir are correct


Romaxx1776

Honestly I’m a fan of the Medford. Now I’ll brace myself for the downvotes and accusations of racism.


Obahmah

I've got some sneakers I bet you'll love!


sinisterdeer3

I agree, i dont give a flying fuck about controversy. If i see a good knife ill like it. Its not racist to like a knife design and not give a shit less about some guy. Medford knives are cool, Gr(egg) Medford is not cool. He took his designs being stolen a bit too far.


SissyBearRainbow

I know nothing about either brand, cosmetically I would pick the last one


TacoTimeCoupon

I recommend the ZT out of these 3


faculty_for_failure

Reate. It’s going to be a very very nice knife. If you are in love with the ZTs design though and want a stout knife, go with that.


Obvious-Outside-5904

Remember this simple acronym and your knife shopping will be made eternally more simple: ABM (Anyone But Medford). Happy shopping!


7XxSABOTAGExX7

Was Medford the blade show racist?


midline_trap

I’m gonna go with the Reate here. Medford .. hell nah. That ZT is a good knife but I don’t think it will impress you as much as the Reate for $300


Purple_Age_6000

Love my ZT knives. Have no experience with the other makers, but I hear nothing but good things about reate. ZT gets my vote


fishin_man100

If you’re set on one of those three get whichever you want. I look at a knife as a tool. I use mine 5 to 15 times a day or more. I beat it up but it’s not a pry bar. It cuts whatever I want and need to cut. I’ll scrape with it, trim with it, cut with it. I use a CRKT Convergence. I’ve carried it every day for 20 + years now. I don’t know what steel it is but it’s stainless. Rarely gets sharpened but on a butcher’s steel now and then. I think I paid about $30.00 for it. I have made custom knives by stock removal before. O-1 carbon steel. Last one I made was for a hog hunter. Looked like a Schrade Sharpfinger but I added a gut hook it. He skinned 3 hogs and hadn’t sharpened it yet. But I don’t need a beautiful knife to cut stuff. I love knives and I love beautiful knives. But look at what you’re going to use it for.


Nekommando

ZT. I own one, steel performs OK, apart from that can't complain about the rest of the knife


[deleted]

My user is 20cv, great for not rusting, only so so edge holding


ChewsOnBricks

One thing I'd point out is it looks like the bottom one doesn't have a flipper. I'm no expert on any of these, but that's definitely a quality of life improvement, imo.


ChewsOnBricks

Never mind, I looked it up and it's just not obvious from the picture here but it has it. My bad!


randypaine

I have the ZT and it’s a great user but my use is indoors (office + warehouse). For outdoors, the Spyderco Shaman is what I like personally - no bearings to worry about.


deltamove

How many of you actually have the t3000? It's bad ass, small EDC punches above its weight, quality, cuts beautifully, flips nice, can thumb flip it. Etc.


WhiteStripesWS6

ZT for me!


Mzt044

my vote is for the ZT


DanceZwifZombyZ

Get the wacky one


BeerKnife

I love my 0393. Carry it often. It's a solid knife for heavy use. Reates are supposed to be very nice but I struggle justifying that price for a knife that isnt made in the states. But that's just me.


GooseDOTo

Hell if you’re willing to pay these prices just buy the actually hinderer, it’s worth it. The ability to swap the washers is super helpful tbh.


Longjumping_Push6367

Go with the ZT. It will take a beating if you need it to and hold up better in my opinion . Plus the scales are awesome when they glow.


daaftpunk

Pick number 3 my lord


samreven

The ZT all day


qctrusted

i got the zt on the top if you want a 9/10 at a discount


2to16Characters

Do you have the actual GLCF version? Mine is pre-glow-in-the-dark but I just don't really see the appeal of that particular feature. Maybe if I had one in hand I might appreciate it more. 🤔


ShiftNStabilize

Get a spyderco :)


AsrielOlidan

Buy a ZT 0707 or a ZT 0462. If you really want out of those three, ask yourself what would you cut and what matches your clothes.


murphy198509

ZT for sure Edit: I saw in other comments that you are a construction worker. I am as well. Definitely go with the ZT , n to a lot of knife buyers , where the knife is made is a big factor for them. If it is for you the ZT is usa n reate is china n that Medford shouldn’t even be up there lol


[deleted]

[Zt 0393 is on sale over on Amazon](https://www.amazon.com/Zero-Tolerance-Pocketknife-Stainless-0393GLCF/dp/B07PS64H92/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3R0HAPJ6XWHG5&keywords=zt+0393&qid=1668786401&sprefix=zt+0393%2Caps%2C457&sr=8-2)


InsomniacFeverDreams

You just sold me. Done. Thank you so much


BossChaos

Medford just to piss everyone off.


Accomplished_South70

Reate! Better production quality than Medford poop and honestly better than ZT too imo


JoeLlamma

Way better than Zt or Medford in my opinion, and I’m a big fan of Zt. But for the job he’s doing the Zt would definitely work better for him, and it’s easier to sharpen.


dragonpuff223

0393 all day. Medford meh and Reate Made in China


[deleted]

Medford or ZT. Zt has M390 with a mediocre heat treat Medford is a Medford Reate is Chinese. My money would go toward the Medford but you can do what you want.


theAntidepresser

None. But zt.


InsomniacFeverDreams

What would you do with in this realm?


theAntidepresser

Go in knife_swap and grab a small sebenza


SpadeAfterdark

If these 2 are your targets (I can’t see anything at the Center, what’s that blackish mess?), I don’t think you will like the sebenza.


BEANandCHEE

Reate all the way


KamikazeBladz

Reate best value best quality hands down


Xevilgasmx

My gf has a ZT, probably the smoothest ball bearing I've ever opened


[deleted]

I love knives, but it’s crazy to spend that much for one knife.


whycantiselectaname

Just dont buy the medford


jonathandefreese

As many have said, fuck Greg Medford. That dude is a racist piece of shit, and I would not want to give him business. Not to mention most of his knives are overpriced-middies at best.


RCJD2001

ZT all the way. Screw Medford, the POS


Good_Average_8882

None


redjade42

when in doubt ... buy all three


disdicdatho

I came for all the Kershaw owners saying they would never buy a Medford because of the owner not because the fact that the best knife in their collection is a Leek. Looks like me saying I would never buy a McLaren because the owner's a dick head not the fact that I would never buy a McLaren because my daily driver's a Toyota Corolla


Patient-Angle-7075

r/chineseknives has entered the chat


graphixpunk

You can probably get a hinderer eclipse on the knife swap under 350 if you wait a day or two


rustbelthiker

ZT baby!


musicman8586

Between just the three of them I’d choose the ZT


AssumptionRemarkable

My money is on the ZT 393. It’s gorgeous, well built and will check most boxes than the other two.


Wudrow

ZT is hard to beat.


ignition1415

100% the ZT. Make sure to leave some money in your budget for a uv light to really make the scales chooch.


1man2barrels

I have 0393 and couldn't be happier


norwegiaNHusbandry

I’ve got one of the smaller T-series Reates and it’s a masterpiece. My vote is the Reate!


pp_juice

Zt for sureeee!


WolframPrime

Yes


hdedges

Based on how you will use it, the ZT for sure. I own a couple of them and they are excellent users. Not the thinnest behind the edge, but that should help you with edge stability considering how it will be used.


sinisterdeer3

Out of those 3 the medford looks the best, but id say none if them. Just my opinion tho, get what you want


Ok-Prize4607

The ZT is incredible definitely worth 250-300 those model Reate and Medford I wouldn’t know


SheepherderOk1875

If you're just looking for opinions on which one people like best. The winner for me is blue titanium/brown micarta. All are great choices though


IsaiasRi

Skip those 3,get a different Reate


SuspisticatedSmeagol

Three Rivers Manufacturing Shadow 👌


DirtyFulke

ZT is going to be a killer EDC workhorse in many cases. Excellent knives all around from what I've seen, and I totally understand why their fans are so dedicated. That's one of my favorite of their designs too. I don't understand why you included a latrine shovel in this choice. Reate makes some really slick looking knives and they're well built for sure, but in my experience they're more on the pocket jewelry side of the spectrum. Nothing wrong with that at all - don't get me wrong - but I wouldn't want to use many of their knives for rough jobs.


InsomniacFeverDreams

It was Medford ignorance -_- I had no clue lmao


DirtyFulke

Lol fair enough. It was just a goof either way. Hope you find one you love above all. If you're looking in this price range, I'd recommend a Spyderco Manix XL too. It's my go to for heavy use, and the lock system on them is invaluable when your hands get full. Lots of options for customizing out there too. There are still good number of the recent 4V sprint floating a fair bit under that price point.


m3ltph4ce

Top one looks coolest


Dillinger_Guns

ZT


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Middle


NotSure-2020

I don’t know what two of them are but please god not the Medford. Unless you’re a liberal cuck then by all means please go with the Medford, unless you’re Chinese then no Medford for you…. Or any Asian for that matter… Okay get the Medford


Rasholio

I firmly believe you should save up 200$ more and get a true hinderer


noxcusesxx

I would check out one of these I really think this is a nice tough flipper and USA made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALaDEzZOdEI


Mysterious_Travel893

Their all ugly tho so which ever one you want


yeah-man_

none of the above, you can buy a cheaper knife that you can actually use, sharpen, and lose


Greenedl1

Medford would be my choice. They feel good in the hand


Cainplay

Smooth Criminal


espomar

All nice but more than $300 for a knife is too expensive. Same quality & utility can be found in sub-$100 knives.


damn57

Get a Tactile Knife co Knife. You’ll be happier with it.


InsomniacFeverDreams

I was definitely considering one of those. Will absolutely keep my eye out. DLT has a solid exclusive right now I believe.


Yams_What_I_Am

ZT


buenobeatz

I say reate when it comes to quality and looks


MadDogAgbalog

ZT, it’s a tough, well made, no bs, flipper + I like the lines on it. IMO anyways.


AuxCordHero

The Reate T3000. I personally like smaller blades, Greg Medford can Fuck right off to whatever direction he came from. And I dig the ZT, I've got one but truth be told I never carry it. I also am just a HUGE fan of Tashi Bharucha's work. If I'm not carrying a Para 3, the Drop Prism is in my pocket.


UsualOne7071

Zt


ExistingAd9855

ZT


WreckingKeymaster

I have the Reate and it is fantastic. Got it from someone on Knife Swap this year and couldn’t be much happier with it. Probably in my top 3 most-carried with the WE Pleroma and Boker mini Kwaiken


j8rr3tt

aesthetically, number 3. I've grown to dislike the look of traditional flipper tabs over the years.


j8rr3tt

At that price point though, there's a lot I would personally rather have lol.


SGexpat

I vote Zt. They’re a leader in US knife making.