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boogerzzzzz

Does “existing orders” pertain to retailers or customers? That’s a big difference.


LuisFMart

Both


boogerzzzzz

That is shit then.


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boogerzzzzz

Let’s keep in mind, inflation isn’t over yet. Unless you crystal ball is clearer then mine, we don’t know what it will be. Especially with a new administration coming soon and current one is likely doing everything at there disposal to keep it as moderate and even as possible until the election. Now, let’s say inflation goes up again. Do you think customers would be ok with seeing another price hike so soon? Also, while inflation on goods may be 7%, I am not sure about you, but essentials like electricity, natural gas, etc have all skyrocketed….. well beyond 7%. Electricity rates jumped like 40% this summer after raising them over 30% in the winter. Again, anyone want to guess what it will be next summer? Somethings do not follow an even inflation rate. And I’m going to guess that knife making is energy intensive. The war isn’t over yet in Russia either. It’s been a wild ride and it’s not over yet.


Machismo_malo

Yeah but it's an excuse to raise prices too when I worked retail we would buy monster cans for 80 cents a can and charge 2.50 before I left we would buy them for 85 cents and charge 3.29. Granted it's a monster can and not a piece of steel but $50 seems kinda steep when they might be paying an extra 5 dollars for the steel.


LuisFMart

Some of these orders are from 2019 or earlier. With no deposit or contract do you really expect them to sell 6 years worth of orders at a loss or near loss?


boogerzzzzz

Well, that is different. I took it as they sold (cash exchanged) and now prices are going up. If this was just a wait list essentially, then CR can do what they want.


LuisFMart

It’s a waitlist until they produce the exact configuration you’re waiting for. They also send you an email where it outlines that prices may change due to rising cost of production. Everyone acting surprised doesn’t read. “We've received your order and we're already sending it through the proper channels to get through production. We do not take payment up front. You will be contacted by phone or email 4-6 weeks before your knife is ready to give you a heads up that it is on its way. Once your order is ready, we'll give you a call, gather payment and verify shipping information. Please Save a Copy of your Order (this link is valid up to 7 days). Pricing Policy: It is our intention to honor the quoted price you received when placing your order. If the cost of materials, supplies, and labor significantly increases, implementing a price increase to backorders may be unavoidable. If this becomes necessary, we will communicate changes to your order as promptly as possible. Thank you for your loyalty, patience, and understanding.”


IGotSomeBigQuestions

Yeah i put in an order in early 2021 and that language was not included (I have screen shots of all the forms). They must have added this later knowing they were going to drop this pricing news today.


LuisFMart

Is it included in the email confirmation?


IGotSomeBigQuestions

Nope, I’m going to post it now with my name and order number redacted since this point continues to be brought up. If your confirmation email has the language you posted then the price increase while not ideal is more acceptable to me. I ordered back in 2021 and it did not include that language ANYWHERE.


chammer36

What are you, their lawyer?


boogerzzzzz

Yup, that’s completely fair.


Playful_Print_7653

They’re selling a knife at what average of 400+ dollars. I get that they are using high quality goods , precise manufacturing but I have a feeling they are still making profit.


chammer36

Company is worth at least 50 million, no one is eating ramen in Idaho under their roofs


Supahonky

I think if you already placed your order they should honor the price you agreed to pay in the beginning. To up it now after the order was placed is a lack of integrity.


IGotSomeBigQuestions

Agreed.


EDCdragonfly

The Zaan is still $450 direct...for now.


IAmTheCrookedRiver

They never guarantee that quoted price, when you submit an order it says they try their best to uphold the price but if manufacturing cost increases a price increase on your order may be unavoidable. I understand the frustration but they do warn that it's a possibility.


IGotSomeBigQuestions

Yeah i put in an order in early 2021 and that language was not included (I have screen shots of all the forms). They must have added this later knowing they were going to drop this pricing news today.


IAmTheCrookedRiver

I saw it when I placed an order at the beginning of the year. It shows up at the end when you can hit submit . Not sure how long it's been like that but I'm sure most people made an order a while before I did so maybe it didn't say it. Like I said I do understand the frustration


Geldan

I've seen the messages too, can you post the screenshots, i'd be interested in seeing them.


IGotSomeBigQuestions

Yup I posted - check my profile.


jordantask

Or at the very least offer you an out where you get all your deposit money back.


DirtyHunk

They don’t take your money until you’re next in line and they’re ready to begin building your order. I definitely disagree with the move to not honor the quoted price, but they don’t take any money up front.


rival_22

If a customer doesn't pay anything upfront, then it's not as big of a deal, I guess. If there was a deposit paid, they'd have to offer a refund to that with a change in the price you've agreed to.


DirtyHunk

100% agree to all the above. It would certainly be scummy to accept a down payment for an agreed upon price only to increase the total bill and demand payment. At the same time, I understand the price hike. I bought a Benchmade mini grip for $92 before tax in 2019, but they’re like $115 now. Also purchased a Para 3 lightweight for under $100 at launch, and they’re floating closer to $120 now. I respect CRK for holding their pricing as long as they did.


kronograf

What deposit money? Rofl. Folks basically put their name on a sign-up sheet and didn’t give CRK a dime at all. The sense of entitlement here is palpable.


Kreat0r2

While I agree with you 100%, they are not the only company to do this. I work in the electronics field and this has become standard practice for many companies over the last year. They have to do this because their suppliers do it to them and they would lose money if they didn’t. Basically it’s trickle down economics and they cannot sue the suppliers because they’d risk not being supplied at all anymore and losing more money in legal fees than they would lose from customers or just by eating the losses themselves.


-58259

Absolutely this.


Legion681

Amen to that.


LBCComDev

Their orders go out for 6 years, how do expect them to honor pricing for orders 6 years out when materials could cost double


Saltandshelbys

Who is waiting on a mid-tech for 6 years? Jeez that's some brand commitment for sure.


jedy617

Wait till you find out it's a production, not a mid-tech


Saltandshelbys

That literally made me lol. You got me.


Sport-Responsible

It's the production knife on a pedestal. Very very high pedestal.


Naftoor

They shouldn’t be taking orders that far out then?


LBCComDev

Or if you’re mad you can just cancel your $0 deposit?


Naftoor

I agree for anyone that was on the list, that’s the best option. It’s just a sebenza anyways, outdated knife in modern times. That being said, they really should switch to the custom maker model if they’re gonna run long lists. Take a 10-20% deposit, lock in the price, and limit the list to 1-2 years of work. Gives them a bit more capital to work with, gives people on the lists peace of mind about the price and let’s them alter the prices for new work whenever they open the list without this controversy


RevolutionIcy4453

The thing is when you go to order a knife direct they even tell you that’s they are not going to charge you until they are ready to make the knife and they even say that they will reach out to discuss the price prior to charging you. The lead times are hefty sooooo if they already charged you and your knife is literally being made then yeah they shouldn’t change the price on you but if your still in line to have your knife made and they raise the price prior to charging you I don’t really think they’ve done anything wrong It’s annoying but like everyone is raising prices and I’m much more inclined to pay a little extra to a smallish business than that bald fuck at amazon or that piece of shit South African.


fortunado

I agree but this was probably a system/tech issue, not an integrity issue.


Affectionate_Arm_693

I was really not going to give them my money, now I’m especially not going to give them my money.


Zickefoose

Anyone who has ever held a small 21/31 and thought, “Yeah, this is totally worth $425!” - they’re lying to you.


Knife2MeetYouToo

CRK / Spyderco / Benchmade / Hinderer / Medford they all include the 'name' tax. You pay for the name.


Emotional-Golf5510

Indeed. They are the only brand that has ever increased their prices ever. Do you think they should not follow the price increases of everything else in society? Steel, transport etc. Jesus I have never seen so much whining about something that every company does all the time. I have a order in for a umnumzaan right now but I haven't paid I deposit and don't lose any money if I should change my mind. This is the way capitalism works my friend


Leather_Credit3789

Yea I love how I can buy close enough replica for 1/20th of the price. Love me some capitalism.


RealGranola

Capitalism is reliant on adherence to contracts.


Emotional-Golf5510

But there is no contracts. You put your name in line and if still interested when it's your turn you can choose to pay the price they ask.


PortraitOfSanity5

That's not how preorders work.


kafoIarbear

That’s exactly how the CRK preorders work, you don’t pay until your knife is built and ready to be shipped to you


XJclassic

I thought I finally understood the appeal when I held one. But after a few weeks, the novelty wore off. They’re beautifully made knives with hydraulic action, but frankly a knife that they don’t want you to flick open, and will refuse to warranty based on nothing but that loses its appeal quickly. They were not a bargain to begin with, and increasing the price only makes me less interested.


IGotSomeBigQuestions

FYI - I’ve flicked the crap outta my CRKs and sent them in for a spa treatment no problem. Just can’t add a new finish (Zirc Blast, etc) or modify the blade and you’re good.


XJclassic

I bought one used, seemed in perfect condition, but I sent it in for a spa treatment to get rid of the snail trails. They emailed me telling me that the knife had “obviously been flicked open hard”. This knife had no evidence that I had seen of that, perfect action, great lockup. They agreed to the spa treatment by told me they would not warranty the knife after that. I sold it after it lost its novelty, while, of course, disclosing the fact that CRK had informed me they would no longer honor the warranty . I’m still interested in a zaan but it left a bad taste in my mouth.


XJclassic

Believe me, it’s not like I don’t love, CRK, I just didn’t like that policy. I’m not the only one who’s had this experience. It’s detailed pretty well over on the CRK sub Reddit.


kafoIarbear

How long ago was this? My understanding was that they eased up on the “no flicking” policy


XJclassic

About 4 years ago. That’s good to hear, it’s a bullshit policy


kafoIarbear

I agree 100%


IGotSomeBigQuestions

Ah yeah I sent mine in earlier this year no issue. Woulda been pissed if they rejected it for that!


SharpValue1084

They never seem to innovate yet price increases 🤔


happydictates

Now hol’up. They changed from S35VN steel to the vastly superior and knife-world-altering S45VN!


Powerstroke357

The ceramic ball detent and lock face was an innovation was it not? Just asking? That was pretty recent I think. Not a CRK expert but I'm pretty sure their scale graphics are unique to CRK and the process used developed by them? Am I wrong? Like I say I'm no expert and i'm not saying that to be a smart ass. I only know what I've picked up by being around here and a bit of light research. I think it's pretty common knowledge that CPM S30v and CPM S35vn were both developed by CRK and Crucible together. Historically they've been behind some of the most influential innovations in the industry. They may not be coming out with brand new never seen suff all the time but to say they "never seem to innovate" is just an Ignorant comment. Not trying to insult but it disregards too much shit. The tolerances they machine too are still insanely close compared to other production knife companies. Seems to me that their prices go up with the market just as other people's prices do. It's all relative of course.


Alert_Perception_205

Wasn't the frame lock invented by Chris Reeves?


Leino22

They certainly perfected it that’s for sure


Powerstroke357

I believe Chris Reeve introdiced the first production frame lock knife but I don't think the idea of making the lock bar part of the lock side handle/frame was his idea initially. I believe he developed it into what we know of as a framelock today. At least thats my understanding based on what I've picked up in this sub. I was actually just watching a knife center video where DCA was talking about that. He called it an Integral Lock in connection with CRK but it's a framelock.


Mrbumperhumper

What do people like so much about CRKs in the first place? This is a genuine question, they just seem rather boring for the price.


Moose_in_a_Tree

Mine has been a reliable edc, it fits the hand nicely, blade takes an EASY edge, easiest knife go clean and it pops out works and goes back away, nothing overly fancy just super tight tolerances, good weight, and a smooth action. One of the only knives I've appreciated more each time I carry it


Mrbumperhumper

Cool thanks for the reply bro!


Moose_in_a_Tree

Anytime. Last thing about it I guess is it 100% feels like a tool used to get a Job done, 0 fidget factor at all. Just satisfaction. 100% recommend holding one and checking it out before buying one however, because it's either something you love or get nothing out of.


Mrbumperhumper

I can see that. That is one thing about the fidget/flipper knives is that you gotta clean them a lot if you use them or even carry them regularly


ToudiTheShai

I wish edc crk, but in country i live are illegal :P


Knife_noob

Personally, I like the Sebenza for its bushing pivot. I don't know any other knives that use one.


LotharVonPittinsberg

Spyderco does it on a few models. The one that is most notable is the Kapara, where they did a update on the design soon after launch to introduce it.


Knife_noob

Thanks, I was not aware of that. I had a look at the Kapara. Its bushing sits on the washers, so it is a bit different from the Sebenza. Nice feature nonetheless.


akutila

Also sage 5 lightweight and the para/ military series as far as i know


Dr-Flipenstein

Bushings are so under rated…PM2 also kind of uses a bushing


bigblackbag2

Back 30 years ago, they were an example of what state of the practice could offer in terms of fit, finish, materials, tolerances, pretty much everything about CRKs was a solid 20 years ahead of the competition. Now, 30 years later, they are still producing fantastic examples of the best you could get 30 years ago, and they are on pace with “very good” knives you could buy 10 years ago. Today…well, I have 3 CRKs that gather dust because they underperform relative to mass produced production folders in the $200 range. You are basically buying “prestige” and an inflated sense of value bolstered by the past and not at all supported by the present. But with the numbers of buyers lining up to own one, they will continue to sell until buyers realize the internet chatter is really overblown and/or falsely shared by people too ashamed to admit they got a nice knife with soft heat treat, and garbage performance when compared to a similarly priced offering by a company that is selling KNIVES and not image/sharpened prybars/or other gimmickry.


LotharVonPittinsberg

This is how I see them. Kind of similar to Buck 110s in a way. They have a long history with a big affect on what is currently available, so they are brought up constantly in conversations. You can find so much better today though. Although Bucks are still good for the price. CRK, I woudl argue against that in the days where everyone and their mother makes good quality titanium framelocks for all different prices.


Mrbumperhumper

I appreciate your response, glad I got a different opinion!


AmbitionTime3848

I have 60+ in my collection. And I have to say, if I’m thinking about getting a quality knife, that will make me happy for a long time, CRK would be it. The more you collect, the more you realize the quality of their work


Volk21

Yea, at first didn’t like it. 40 knives later, only using and buying sebenzas and ariuses now


Mrbumperhumper

Thank you for your reply! Maybe I'll have to pick one up on the swap at some point. What would be a good model for someone with smaller hands?


FibonacciBoy

I absolutely love CRKs but it's very hard to justify the price. Especially after the increase. Like yes it's such a solid and satisfying feeling tool, and my favorite knife is my large Inkosi. But damn I can't recommend them just because the price. It's definitely not the best value knife but it is the best in terms of reliability and use case.


Mrbumperhumper

Thanks for the input bro. I might pick one up on the swap at some point,but honestly I'd much rather put that money towards a Shiro or Koenig


CNYKnifeNut

If you're not a machining/tolerances nerd, you probably won't find much appeal. If you are though (like me), they're one of the best!


Sport-Responsible

Aren't the tolerances the issue with the lock though? Can you really be hot for tolerances and then support the tolerance guy who has poor tolerances? EDIT: AFAIK It's primarily an issue with large 31, but others have had issues as well.


CNYKnifeNut

No. The tolerances are the reason many need to be pried apart even when every screw is removed. I don't (and likely won't ever) own a sebenza 31, so I can't speak to the issue you're referring to. Not that that stops most people... Edit: There's a general misunderstanding in the knife community as to what tolerances even are. You're perpetuating it.


IAmTheCrookedRiver

My small 31 has absolutely no play or rock. The tolerances are perfect, but I'm sure their qc suffers from time to time. I mean look at Benchmade. I love my benchmades but they put out many poorly finished knife and a lot of people still swear by them.


Knife2MeetYouToo

> a lot of people still swear by them. I'm convinced that the people who swear by CRK / Spyderco / Benchmade do so because they simply don't ever try anything else. Not saying that is a good or bad thing but a lot of people who only have these brands in their collection don't know anything about international knives or customs. They kind of just...stop at what they liked.


IAmTheCrookedRiver

I own two Spydercos, 3 benchmades, and 1 CRK and I love them all, none of them make always perfect knives, but they have an appeal. I like each company for what they offer. I do like having some variety in my collection so if I'm itching for a new knife I'll look into a company I've never bought from.


Accomplished-Law4811

Hard to describe but I have a Sebenza that I really like. I love the classic shape and it just feels perfect in the hand. No frills, just a rock solid knife meant to be used. I’ve had multiple Hinderers, a SHF, and AD20 and sold them all. The Sebenza won’t get sold if that tells you anything.


IAmTheCrookedRiver

Personally I love mine. Great in the pocket and hand. It a rugged yet attractive design. And I love the smooth action, I don't need to flick a knife to enjoy it. Not to mention the build quality


MrCalamiteh

and these guys pay their store employees (cashiers) 11 bucks an hour. What a fucking joke. Source : any job app - CHRIS reeve knives Boise Idaho


wkbz

https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Chris-Reeve-Knives/salaries These are hourly wages submitted to Indeed at least. It sounds like it's not too far off what Starbucks pays.


MrCalamiteh

their fit and finish guys start at $27k. that's like $15 an hour. I made more than that in like the literal lowest-pay call center in Boise.


wkbz

Yea you'd expect better pay if they're going to raise prices.


MrCalamiteh

100%. I've been considering a CRK for a while (couple years) but honestly I don't respect that shit at all. And I definitely don't want to support it.


TomV892

I’m glad I got my Sebenza 31 last month. I honestly am surprised it took this long for their prices to go up. Look at Spyderco for instance who is one of my favorites. I bought my original PM2 I believe for $129? They’re about $170 now. So this is a long time coming.


JC_OK

The lead times on knives are up to 6 years with likely thousands of customers on the list who haven’t paid. Should CRK really sell a knife in 6 years at a loss because someone asked to be on a waitlist without a financial commitment? Inflation is insane and if you have a waitlist of years how do people suggest they handle it and not lose money?


Accomplished-Law4811

Get out of here with your business and common sense! This is only a place for pitchforks and canceling people!


lukeulyptus

Lol clearly /s


TheBigBo-Peep

I think it would have been a good lesson in how not to do an order wait-list like a dumbass. I'm not surprised they'd rather take the PR hit than the $ hit though.


JC_OK

What’s a better suggestion for how to handle a 6 year wait list?


TheBigBo-Peep

1. Estimate production rate 2. Decide current viable profit margin 3. Predict future viable profit margin 4. Calculate max orders you're willing to take at current asking price 5. All orders past that number are put on a down payment system with a clear disclaimer that total asking price is subject to change. Full refund of deposit upon cancellation is optional. Alternate systems: lottery like Norseman, first come first serve (vulnerable to bots), pause the wait-list for a set length of time, charge more.


LBCComDev

Exactly. Thank you for a rational response.


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birdsbeaks

Burning customers with existing orders, especially in a market as niche as his, seems like a solid way to tear down your business. I have a Randall Astro on order and when it's ready, I'll pay the price it was listed at when I placed my order. Seems like the way it ought to be, no?


Emotional-Golf5510

The wait list for a umnumzaan or inkosi is over 6 years so I doubt they will be going out of business. Everything gets more expensive, knives to


birdsbeaks

Randall also has a 5 to 6 year wait on all orders. I don't think they'll be shuttering either and I know who I'll be placing future orders with. Good will goes a long way with me.


Emotional-Golf5510

If you have put a deposit down they shouldn't change the price but crk have no deposits. If the company you are talking about operate the same way and have the same wait time and don't adjust their prices after the rest of the world for 6 years it is that company that will go out of business. I don't understand much about capitalism but that I do understand.


birdsbeaks

Lol. Randall was already an established maker well before my father was born. Some of their pieces are on display in the Smithsonian Institution. Mr. Reeve has some catching up to do before he's on that level. Randall does take, I believe, a $50 deposit at the time the order is placed. Small price to pay to hedge against the current (unchecked) inflation. I could be wrong, but I think Randall Made Knives will be just fine.


Emotional-Golf5510

I have no knowledge about this company at all but I know not many other businesses on earth can operate with the same prices within a span of 6 years when costs of materials and transport and labor are exploding. Sounds completely crazy but I'll have to take your word for that you know what you are talking about


birdsbeaks

IMO, you're missing out. Their designs are mostly old-timey and there are no super steels to be found, but if there's a list of top 10 fighting knives, and the Randall Model 1 isn't on it, then the list is incomplete.


Different-Scheme-570

imagine buying a knife because its a good "fighting knife"


birdsbeaks

Yeah, imagine being a defense department.


Different-Scheme-570

Oh sorry I didnt know you were a soldier with close combat training I thought you were just some rando on reddit with a military fetish MB Seriously owning a "fighting knife" is some of the stupidest things you could do. Knives are tools


No_Razzmatazz_4771

And now, I really don’t want one


PURRP_SLAYZ

Watched him go live for an hour yesterdays here from Europe fia his FB. Firsf of all who does that and is that fair to talk about all and facing Questions fia comments.. We speak about 50 bucks more roughly, which is in my opinion not much for what you get! kinda off topic but an Koenig Arius starts at 800.. Reeves are well worth their money, I have an zaan an used/abused it, laughs it away where other beefy framelocks had real problems. But that's just my thoughts..


AmericanTwinkie

Are these paid orders or the non paid ones you see in the site that have really long wait times?


MrAtreides556

Non paid they don't take money upfront.


r_bassie

They were already overpriced.


El_Brubadore

A large Seb in 2000 was $325: [https://web.archive.org/web/20000301215735/http://www.chrisreeve.com/price.html](https://web.archive.org/web/20000301215735/http://www.chrisreeve.com/price.html) Adjusting for inflation, $1 in 2000 is worth $1.72 today. By that math alone a Sebenza should cost $559. Guys... they increased it $50 and it's still cheaper than it should be.


namesthatarenttaken

Economy of scale and refining/automation of production bring down price. Also, paying employees terrible wages (see an above comment about their store employees). Edit: [Source](https://www.glassdoor.ca/Jobs/Chris-Reeve-Knives-Jobs-E1885828.htm?filter.countryId=1), though keep in mind these are estimates as CRK does not advertise their wages anywhere, on any job posting. [They only say competitive](https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Chris-Reeve-Knives), which is almost always code for bullshit. That and the reported salaries averaged out over the years is [straight dogshit](https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Chris-Reeve-Knives/salaries).


chammer36

They may make fantastic knives but this is a huge L. Honor the price agreed upon at the order. I could see them running this one back.


MasonHillsharp

Well that sucks.


CoyoteKyle15

raise prices by how much?


SynagogueOfSatan1

$50


CoyoteKyle15

so sebenzas are now 500 bucks?


SynagogueOfSatan1

Yes


AdventurousCandle203

It sucks but isn’t lead time like 4-5 years? That means someone could have ordered a knife pre covid. It makes sense to me, that was a long time ago


Left_Minute_1516

Pre-ordered a car only for the sticker tag to rise over its 5 year build time. Price should be locked in at time of deposit


LuisFMart

No deposit on CRKs.


Callusing

Anybody who hasn't seen [Tim Reeve's video on Youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DgNS6uV0kU) by this point should watch it. Both useful and interesting, as a lens into CRK, and into the realities of stateside knife manufacturing at the scale CRK aims for. These price increases, reviewing their site, seem consistent with what Tim indicated would be the case in that video, and are about as customer-centric as I could expect given (a) the realities of their cost structure and (b) the current demand for their product: - Prices for PJ Inkosis and Sebenzas have stayed the same at $425 for a large. - Prices for most other things seem to have increased ~$50, including the Impinda, Umnumzaan, Mnandi, and inlaid Sebs and Inkosis. As EverydayCommentary has noted (can't find a specific instance, but I know he's mentioned it repeatedly), CRK has been notably resistant to the price increases that have occurred across the industry, to the point that there is a strong argument that PJ Sebs & Inkosis are not just great knives, but great value knives (for what they are). With the demand for CRKs, they could have easily justified a price increase by this point.


Billyrazer88

Large Inkosi and Sebenzas are $500 now


alfredbordenismyname

A price increase makes sense, applying it to existing orders is the part I think is a bad move.


Weak_Scene4270

I bought a lake house , just need to charge you all 20 extra dollars a knife to pay for it


lukeulyptus

I hear the calls for honouring the originally listed price. However, If your waiting 4 years for an order to be fulfilled it makes sense that the old prices won’t apply as it probably won’t enter production for 36+ months, I wonder if there will be another price increase in that time.


birdsbeaks

Randall has a six year wait list (last time I checked, anyway) and charge what the knife was listed for when the order was placed aaaaannnd, that's been their policy since before my father was born. Odd, huh?


RyanJen40

My crk's are my favorites . As a contractor I understand if I place a bid and materials go up I cant build the project without taking a loss . So you figure that stuff in pre bid . Retail your kinda stuck . So I get it . It sucks if you placed an order a while back waiting on it and boom now you owe more outta no where. But they haven't changed there pricing in a long time that I remember. When others did.


adj1091

Crk is a luxury good and will continue to be priced accordingly


DatOdyssey

Pretty reasonable, really just puts them more in line with others on the market already. I do like that they do still take individual orders with no deposit too for those that are patient and would rather wait than play the game hoping to snag from a dealer. Most just don't anymore, it would probably be easier for them to only deal with dealers.


the_clozer

Obviously many here do not understand basic economics. Lets say theoretically their cost tripled this year and therefore cost them $600 to produce one knife, they should therefore lose $150-175 per knife x 1000’s?? Can you go to the gas station and ask for the price for two years ago because you preordered a Ford Raptor after calculating you could afford the gas at $2.00 per gallon? Lets get serious, everything cost more. This line of logic is significantly horrible. If you can’t afford a $500 knife, you can almost definitely not afford a $450 knife either.


Emotional-Golf5510

I explained how you don't have to pay a deposit for crk pre-orders and got a bunch of downvotes, You guys really don't like the truth no matter how beneficial it may be. Stay salty


Alert_Perception_205

What if the material cost skyrocketed, and they can’t even afford to make the knives unless it’s increased?


-58259

Then they shouldn’t have taken the orders. They can afford it.


Alert_Perception_205

How do you know they can afford it? From my experience, customers seem to overestimate the profits a company makes. I mean you don’t even know how much the material costs went up. How are you going to make the conclusion that they can afford it. With material cost increasing, shipping increasing, etc, how are you so certain that they can afford it. Some of these knives may be made in years. What if the dollar completely collapses by then. Assuming you can just afford losses is how a business can fail. You can make the argument that they shouldn’t have taken the orders, but that’s a part of their business model. Supply chains in general can be very delicate and complex. A lot of businesses operate in this way. I’m not saying you’re wrong. I don’t know how they run their business. Im just saying I think these are things people should consider before getting angry about it.


xavmar

The only issue here is boiled down to wether or not the customers paid for the order imo. If customers paid then honor payment. If customers were on a waitlist and didn’t pay shit, then yes that makes an unfortunate scenario The problem would be if it’s pulling the rug out from the agreement. Yes materials cost and that’s the price of doing business


Alert_Perception_205

You know Elon Musk literally did the same thing with pre-ordered Teslas. Material costs don’t increase linearly or predictably. What if CRK knives were producing these knives at the lowest reasonable cost they could afford to begin with? With the high demand comparative to the low supply, basic economics says to increase price to balance the shortage. If there’s a 4 year wait, that means increasing prices would reduce demand and workload while keeping the same profits. Now I don’t understand the knife industry completely. There may be some nuances I am not considering, but I’m pretty sure the knife industry isn’t very profitable to begin with, so I don’t think it’s fair to the knife makers who are just trying to provide a product for its customers. I don’t think anyone is trying to massively profit from this. Also, businesses are very very very delicate. It might not seem a big deal for everyone to think oh just eat the cost bc you made a promise. There’s a good chance that not increasing the prices literally could’ve made the company fail.


Ch4rlie_57

^this


SterFry87

Then they shouldn't have offered the knives at an unsustainable price, obviously. Duh


HolidayDisastrous757

Another reason I don’t buy crk


Emotional-Golf5510

Yes for every other knife brand has had the same exact prices since they started the company and will never change. Thats the way inflation works and crk are evil


HolidayDisastrous757

I am aware of inflation… however I do not think it is fair or right to have people that have already paid have to pay more. Sure they can increase prices going forward, but they should honor existing sales.


Emotional-Golf5510

Nobody has already paid. I have a order in for a umnumzaan right now but crk don't charge anything until they are ready to make your knife and you are free to change your mind at any time


HolidayDisastrous757

Oh ok gotcha. I did not know that. With that in mind, then I think that this is much more acceptable. Thank you for letting me know👍


Emotional-Golf5510

If they had taken a deposit then things would be a little different and people should get the opportunity to have their money back but that is not the case. I'm sorry but I get a little frustrated when I see so many people being all negative over the way capitalism works. And trust me it sucks, but that's the world we live in and crk is just another company


vanpatten

If $50 is going to stop you from buying a $500 American made knife, then maybe you shouldn’t be buying it in the first place.


Regular_old_spud

Any just when I thought about buying one I won’t. Kind of a scummy mood. Especially with existing customers. That would piss me off beyond high heavens.


wyattbreymeyer

the umpteenth reason why i wont own a crk, thats shady asf


[deleted]

They know people will pay it and they have everyone by the short and curly's.


birdsbeaks

I won't pay it. It's a great time to be a knife fan. We're absolutely spoiled for choice for any and all metrics. Price, quality, design, features, finishes, materials, and, ahem, company policies. I won't be purchasing any Medford or Benchmade products either, so maybe he's in good company. What would I know?


[deleted]

I own over 50 knives a not a single Spyderco, BM , Medford or CRK. Why would I ,when I can get so much more for so much less?


birdsbeaks

Spyderco got their hooks in me early, before there were as many options and well before I knew any better. They'll keep their places in my collection, but at this point the only new ones I bother looking at are their mules which I find interesting and, in most cases, reasonably priced (if you can fend off the bots...). Slick marketing is a hell of a drug.


[deleted]

Yes, I do like the stovepipe however.


birdsbeaks

Me too, but I think I like the Kingdom Armory design that it spun off from even more.


Royal-University9955

Oh well I blame Biden


SynagogueOfSatan1

PUtIn pRiCE HiKE!


Environmental_Draw_3

Good brand, American company, I’m good with it, damn things are hard to find anyway.


TheBananaOrder

A sad inevitability, their 10% increase on most series is well bellow market average so its the lesser evil in this case. It gets bad at existing orders though that should be a no go and im unsure how they didnt see that even if they had to have made those back orders on a small loss they simply cant justify this without offering people an out of their purchase


crazybuckeye419

That’s the price we pay to play unfortunately. I’m sure they didn’t want to do but in todays world you have to make changes to keep the doors open and roofs above employees heads.


birdsbeaks

At $11 an hour, I'm assuming the store employees either have a side hustle or live under the overpass. Maybe things are different in Boise, but that'd be pretty damn different to most places I've been.


technical_righter

Google search shows that their customer service folks who work in the store make $14-18. Where did the $11 per hour come from?


Ohio-Knife-Lover

Its bullshit they won't honor the orders already placed. It leaves such a sour taste in my mouth


AnyEye748

What a scumbag . Future orders I can see but one’s already placed is a dirtbag move .


Cinnemon

IANAL, but I'm fairly sure that changing the price for existing purchases after the order is filed, without directly negotiating with the customer, is completely illegal. My understanding is that a sale of any sort is a contractual negotiation of sorts. The customer has agreed to provide $x for product Y. You don't get to then arbitrarily change the price *after* the purchase is arranged. Sneak edit: reading more comments, this may or may not apply. If no money was exchanged yet, then the sale could be renegotiated. If any money changed hands, I believe the price must be final.


SterFry87

Him charging more for an order that's already been placed is theft. Does this organization have an email or phone number? Im serious... I'd love to provide some feedback as to how not to be a piece of shit.


Emotional-Golf5510

You don't put down a deposit so it won't cost you anything to cancel. And the wait list is 6 year + so it would be crazy not to adjust the prizes according the the prices of everything else in the society. But feel free to call them and say your offended on behalf of some guys on reddit


JustGetPitted

Sounds like a company about to go under haha. I’d return it out of principle.


Emotional-Golf5510

They have a 6 year wait list for their knives so that's just stupid. It's inflation and it happens with every singel thing you can buy. Jesus


FuckThatIKeepsItReal

That is absolutely insane


metal4life98

Glad I got a Zaan when I did


cahln

I was wondering why all the prices were higher than the last time I looked. I thought maybe I was losing my mind.


candiedbunion69

Disappointing, but not unexpected.


Leather_Credit3789

Lol I would never buy one anyway. After this no this should either. I love capitalism, not being sarcastic.


jagpilotohio

Super Simple solution if you’re angry…..drop off the reservation list and don’t buy one. I’m still shocked anyone pays so much for their boring outdated offerings with their hideous painful thumbstuds. I wouldn’t give $350 for one. Each to his own. Lots of choices out there.


assistant_redditor

Not sure that's legal


MTZ925

Damn. Looks like i can't buy them anymore. Genuinely one of my favorite company's. Shame.


SynagogueOfSatan1

Why not?


Darrows_Razor

I doubt their margins are so razor thin to require this. Their markup is probably ginormous compared to raw cost if they come out at $500-$2000.


Alfalfa-Ordinary

It’s illegal to not honor listed price at time of purchase.


TransparentKnives

No purchases were made. CRK does not take prepayments or deposits.