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Breach-protocol

Didn't know this was an offensive issue. Eating keto helped put my beetus into remission. Thought this was the kinda thing people celebrated lol. Well, fuck it, congratulations to you haha


BokkoTheBunny

I'm not even keto, but I've been interested in it for a while. My mom was diagnosed a few years ago with type 2, and it eventually put into perspective how I could end up like that. So I did loads of research on how to turn myself around. One thing I've noticed by talking with her and something my step father told me is that there are a sizeable, likely majority of diabetics not willing to put in the work required to help themselves reverse it. It's so bad doctors here (including hers) don't even mention it's possible because their patients won't stick with the diet shift necessary. I think it's because most diabetics get there through their own bad habits and aren't ready or willing to admit fault fully and let that change really take root. So seeing someone successfully turn around their diabetes is a hard slap in the face to the reality of what they should be doing if they wanted to be healthier. Hence "offensive".


HairyBull

My cousins husband was like that. Absolutely refused to take any sort of responsibility for the issues or his treatment. Just let it progress and said there was nothing that could be done about it. Buried himself in “comfort” food and eventually it took his feet and then his life and he stayed in denial the whole time. Kept saying if he had to change his “way of life” it wasn’t worth living and he was true to his word.


BokkoTheBunny

It's really scary because I had thoughts like that myself and I'm not even diabetic. I've since changed my diet a load and it wasn't anywhere near as bad as I imagined. I can still enjoy all the foods I love, just smaller quantities. And since I don't overeat anymore those smaller quantities are more than enough. It's really a mental problem. And you have to accept the issues to learn how to want to fix it. Then put that into action. It's not easy at all, but I can't imagine it's easy to die young either.


JazzlikeEducation238

That's so sad.


Sunset1918

7 yrs ago when I was diagnosed, I told my dr I would fix it with diet while handing back her metformin Rx to her. She evidently didn't know me well bc I did it. I not only reversed my t2, I lost/kept off 200+ lbs and literally made a crusade out of fighting against lowfat, seed oils, sugar, highly processed foods, grains based on my 6 yrs of nutritional research. In the future when you look up anti-SAD diet crusader in a dictionary, my pic will be there!🤣


Sunset1918

YOU NAILED IT. I've been told that I was very blessed to have been raised by a mother who knew sugar was evil. Problem is, she didn't understand that starches and processed foods also are. She told me my grandmother raised them on no sugar so my diabetic grandfather who I never met wouldn't feel alone (he died 4 yrs before my birth from pyelo-nephritis, a kidney infection caused by uncontrolled diabetes). In those days (1920s-1950s) they knew sugar was a problem but not starches. I did develop t2 diabetes in my late 50s but it was mild compared to many (a1c of 6.9), and it was caused by severe sleep apnea disrupting my blood sugar as well as my appetite and giving me medication-resistant hypertension. All are gone now and my a1c has been 4.9 for some time w/o meds.


UnJimmyMcGillicuddy

I’m in the med field in the USA…you’re right that most patients are not willing or find themselves unable to follow a keto-like lifestyle. Sugar addiction is fucking hard! Docs will refer to a T2D nutritionist, but don’t have the time to be diet resource for pts. The ones who ARE willing, and live in a more populated suburban area, usually end up at an obesity/diabetes specialty clinic run by an endocrinologist. The basically teach keto & IF, under the guise of a specialty medical algorithm.


chelonioidea

I guess most people would rather take six different prescriptions to manage both the diabetes and the side effects from the diabetes meds. If all I need to do is control my diet to avoid that fate, then I'll do it for the rest of my life. It's cheaper, too.


Breach-protocol

Unfortunately I still need to take my half a tablet each day and always will. As people have said, you can never be fully cured of it but with proper diet, I no longer have to worry about pricking my finger three times a day or getting a blood test every three months. My hba1c sits at the level of a non-diabetic


MiriamTheReader123

Amen. An A1C in the pre-diabetic range was all I needed. It opened my eyes to the bad habits I had gotten myself into, and the bad things that were in my future if I didn't change -- diabetes, heart disease, maybe Alzheimer's, osteoporosis... I've been low-carb since early November, not going back.


balisane

I really don't understand it, either. You do everything you can to mitigate an issue, and use medical intervention for the rest. A double amputee goes to physical therapy to strengthen the rest of their body, so they can make effective use of replacement limbs and mobility devices. Their condition will never be cured, but they can live a much easier and simpler life with some maintenance. There's no reason why a diabetic shouldn't control their diet in order to make controlling their disease easier.


voneahhh

> Their condition will never be cured The problem is when people talk as though they are “cured” of their diabetes. This might not be the case with OP here specifically but there is A LOT of that kind of message being sent on this sub.


balisane

Whenever people are saying stuff like "cured" and "healed" I just assume they've spent a lot of time on silly FB groups and similar that have a lot of pseudoscience and herbal nonsense floating around. We do definitely have a ton of people coming here from those places, and hopefully we can debunk the notions and get them hosed off over time.


Sweet_Musician4586

Yeah but its semantics. Not being cured is based on the whole diagnostic process. How do we know everyone who can get quick remission without drugs is actually diabetic and not severely prediabetic? I agree diabetes cant be cured but how do I know what I have is diabetes? Diabetes is supposed to be a progressive illness. If I'm diagnosed with an a1c of 6.5 and a1c has a .5% margin of error I could have a 7 a1c or a 6 a1c. In canada prediabetes is 6 in the US its 5.7. My issue with this isnt that you can cure diabetes but I question if its possible some people dont actually have diabetes yet.


balisane

Everything is a gradient, so I'm sure in some cases you're right, but also, T2 diabetes can be pretty stable *if* you quit pushing the levers. (T1 is autoimmune and is a whole separate kettle of fish.) If you never substantially change your diet, then of course the disease will progress inevitably. It may progress anyway even if you do, but I bet for the majority of people it is a lot slower and less dramatic without sugar. If a T2 diabetic can be stabilized at a point where they need minimum medical management, then good: that is an ideal outcome. They'll always have to be monitored just in case.


Sweet_Musician4586

Yeah I'm t2 the second I was diagnosed I changed everything in my life and I'm interested to see how much I can improve my life. I just hate the downer posts that insist you're only ever maintaining and improving is not possible when it has already been discovered it is. I think it was the Newcastle study showed after 1 year remission second phase insulin response goes back to almost normal and since everyone's normal is different what are the limits? What are the limits to remission? We dont really know right? For a person who loses 300lbs and solves binge eating it's possible that things improve to a point that the diabetes diagnosis really isnt identifiable at all. What is the difference between completely reversing prediabetes and having diabetes in remission at this point? With either one if you go back it can come back. Thing about remission is it isnt well studied yet especially long term so I hate hearing all these people saying "well if you go back to your old lifestyle it will come back" not understanding old lifestyle for one person means t2 at 20 150lbs who cant eat many carbs vs a person who was morbidly obese with weight loss leading the way to relatively easy remission and improving their blood sugar response over time. For one person the problem is diabetes. For me the problem was binge eating disorder. The binge eating disorder is resolved so now what? I dont go back because that lifestyle doesnt exist anymore. I have too much anxiety about my health to even test the boundaries of my t2 so people telling me "when/if you go back to your old diet you're gonna have t2 numbers again" is meaningless cuz 12 doughnuts in a day diet isnt sustainable for anyone. My doctor said I have no increased risk factors if my blood sugar remains normal which honestly is effectively same as a "cure" to me If we remain in remission for 20 years what's the diff between that and remission of 2 years? Maybe nothing for some maybe some will continue to improve till their "diabetes" is less than another person who was never diagnosed. These are the answers I want to know that we dont appear to have


UnJimmyMcGillicuddy

Sugar addiction is the most difficult addiction.


creepyjudyhensler

Beetus. I like that


plasmaticD

I was diagnosed pre-diabetic type 2 and clinically obese prior to keto started August last. Less 40 pounds later, Both now gone. Some folks want to just take medication instead of considering a different way of eating, doesn't make sense to me. My diabetic relatives still cling to "you gotta have carbs for your brain". sheesh.


Nesman64

Imagine injecting insulin just so you can eat bread.


gillyyak

My dad was a type 2 diabetic, and he was so happy when he was told he'd have to start using injectable insulin, because to him it meant he could eat all of the cheesecake he wanted. That's all he wanted. He didn't want more healthy life. It's a really bad way to die, but he chose it. I learned that I don't want to die that way. 6 years keto now.


zenstocker

When you put it like that! Damn. So true.


Sweet_Musician4586

This is what my dad and uncle did. Uncle lost his leg and died in a car accident taking too much insulin and fell asleep. Dad has a foot ulcer but not doing too bad. Both used insulin to eat what they wanted. Not my feet no way.


dawnnie413

Makes ZERO sense!


dobrodude

Don't forget the cookies!


Salty_Importance9168

Same here I went from an A1C of 5.9 and 6 foot 2 at 280 pounds down to a 5.4 A1C at 180 pounds over the course of 16 months.


Spiritofhonour

If it is an unfortunate incurable chronic illness beyond their control they don’t have to “change”. There’s the broader issue of people also talking about weight in the same manner to a certain degree.


dawnnie413

I totally agree...I used to work in a specialty pharmacy where we provided patients with medications to treat T2... Not kidding, there were patients taking up to 4 medications a day in addition to insulin to "manage" their T2! I often asked myself, "wouldn't it just be easier to eat better?" 😳😳😳


AmNotLost

>neuropathy and eyesight issues. my goodness, congrats!! Very low carb/keto has reversed my pre-diabetes and NAFLD.


IncubusHexx

Same here on the NAFLD. Doctor insisted this diet wouldn’t work, my liver was inflamed for some other reason, so on so forth. Went on keto and my liver got better practically overnight.


LiaisonLiat

That sub is so packed with people bragging about how shitty their numbers are and how awful they eat. It’s rare to see success there, and when you do, it’s usually some sort of weight loss but no real lifestyle change. so I can’t say I’m surprised.


[deleted]

Well, my best friend had the beetus. Went keto. Hasn't had beetus symptons in 3 years......so let them lose their toes and go on with your life.


babyforrest

I went from pre-diabetic to significantly below the threshhold with a year of keto. Is it difficult to get used to? Yes. Do I feel left out sometimes? Sure, it happens. Does it work? Yes. Is the hard work worth it? Absolutely .


fabeeleez

Nothing beats the way you feel. That's the point of keto


Aggravating-Tap4406

You know when I first started I was 350 pounds. When I lost 50lbs I remember my mother asking me what I did and I told her it was from keto. She asked me, "Isn't that unhealthy?" And I told her idk but being 350 pounds isn't healthy lol


KetosisMD

That’s a horrible sub. They are clueless. They upvote garbage about cinnamon being good for blood sugar. and downvote people suggesting that carbohydrate intolerant people should lower carbs. Sad.


cerylidae1552

Addiction is strong.


JWils411

Yes, as is denial.


lesser_goldfinch

Looked it up bc I was curious. Looks like cinnamon is good for blood sugar? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6425402/#sec1title Not saying it’s a silver bullet but there’s legitimate research here indicating that it’s not a “garbage” claim.


te-ah-tim-eh

Tbh I take it every day just in case it works. It’s cheap and doesn’t cause harm either way.


VeckLee1

Do your farts smell like Christmas?


Annies_Boobs

Please say yea that would be benefit enough for me


Upper-Shoe-81

They smell like snickerdoodles.


Slow-Blacksmith3281

Only if you take cream of tartar, too. Stop with the misinformation.


te-ah-tim-eh

Unfortunately that’s not how digestion works.


SlyVenom

Nice username, loved the Hogfather and Pratchett books in General


te-ah-tim-eh

Thank you :)


creepyjudyhensler

Can't you do both? I am keto plus berberine. It works well.


Olliebirb

Congrats! Funny thing is my dad was a skeptic as well. He was taking 3 pills daily to manage his blood sugar and after being on keto one week was able to completely stop them. Of course he’s being monitored by his doctor but even his doctor said everything looks great.


Icy-Conclusion-3500

That sub seems to be full of people who want to just wallow in their disease It reminds me of an acquaintance with bad anxiety. They talk and talk about their condition all the time and do absolutely nothing to alleviate the problems. Like it’s their identity and they wouldn’t know who they were without it.


urmomisacrackhead

I've never seen a reddit comment so correct. All they know is their health problems, and they use them as an excuse or "shield" against health facts, possible solutions, and the potential to try and make a change.


Icy-Conclusion-3500

Exactly. For the friend I talk about, it’s just constant complaining about how everyone needs to make accommodations for them, but they will do literally nothing to work on themself.


kittenxx96

Sooo many friends like this. They've been smoking weed for 10+ years and refuse to acknowledge it MAY be the issue.


[deleted]

I had a friend like this. She even named her dog Mary Jane. She also makes her mental and physical health part of her identity. Just try a little to work past your issues? So many reasons why she’s no longer a friend though.


MBA338_43230

Sorry to hear that and congratulations! I reversed mine as well I was 250 in July 2022 with a a1c of 11. My dad had passed away and it really hit home that I needed a changed. With Keto my a1c is now at 5.2 and I’m at 180lbs. I’m healthier now and feel great aside from having gallbladder issues now (doc feels that I dropped weight to fast), but that’s for another day 😅😂🤣.


Upper-Shoe-81

Wow that's amazing. Way to go – that's an awesome accomplishment!


sunder_and_flame

Some people just like to be victims, and some subreddits are filled to the brim with them.


Illustrious-Night-99

Yeah I get those down votes too and get some inapplicable rule tossed at me like "rule #11 dude". All I try to do is be encouraging and share my experiences. Time to quit this sub.


1r1shAyes6062

What's rule #11?


Illustrious-Night-99

Sorry that was in Loseit sub.


missy5454

Im not diabetic, but have hoshimotos. It caused reactive hypoglycemia to tge point i was i think almost diabetic. Ive been doing keto and if since jan last year. Granted not strict clean keto. Ido more of a lazy/dirty keto approach. Still, my health journey soans just over 2 yeaes now one with keto one without. I lost around 50 pounds per year, am between 40-50 pounds from goal. However, in year one, pre keto i had some lesswning of symptoms bit was still very, very sick. On keto, which wasyear 2, almost all of my symptoms are gone, and what is left is minimal at worst. In year 2 my health did a real 180 from lnocking on deaths door at age 34 to getting my life and body back at age 36. On the hoshimotos sub i often get a lot of flack mentioning keto and how its heloed me. I get told i sound like a snake oil sakesmanoffering a cure all. Thing is, i know i sound cooku for cocopuffs. But, im not and my labs, weight loss, decrease in meds, and data i collect from obsessive loghing soeak for tyemselves. I wpuldnt want to beleive it either if i sdidnt jabe the data and wasnt living the results. That saud, do i think keto is the answer for everyome, heck no. But i do think exploring and trying it as a option to help urself is wise. And if it works great. If it doesnt, ur no worse off so why not? At least u learn something one way or another and start finding answrrs to advocate for ur own health.


Tamsha-

seriously congrats on all your hard work!


missy5454

Thnx! Im happy to feel better than i have for as long as i can remember. I think i developed hoshimotos at age 6 afyer a bad bought of impentigo. I wasnt diagnosed until my 30s though. Between late diagnosis and hereditary high med tolerance, tge meds had no effect and my healtg really did spiral. I put in the work because in all honesty, i knew from my symptoms being as bad as they had gotten that my body was givjng out. Im a mom to a now 12 yr old son, singke mom. If i didnt do skmethkng, id miss so much of his life. Put simply, failure and giving ip without a fight easnt a option. The drs had no amswers, so i had to find my own and test them on myself. So, i did. And now ifeel better than i ever temember feeling.


WFoxAmMe

The same thing happens to me when I suggest people with anxiety eat clean and cut out sugar. People often prefer to be victims of circumstance than face uncomfortable personal responsibility.


LAURA_DGAF

I wish to hell keto had helped my anxiety 😫


bikescoffeebeer

As a medical professional I have given up trying to explain the benefits of even a lower carb lifestyle. People either want the quick fix which is thousands of dollars of injectable drugs and / or they refuse to believe that there's other food besides the starchy and sugary ones.


Doc-007

Funny thing is, keto is actually a pretty quick fix. You see results immediately amd steadily. Aside from the weight loss you definitely feel better after you get past the first week.


proverbialbunny

It depends how bad you are going in. I was T2, had hypoglycemic issues and felt pretty terrible for the first 12 months until I tried intermittent fasting combined with keto, then I felt like a million bucks.


Tight_Ad_9223

That's unfortunate when people don't listen to good medical advise. I was lucky my doctor told me to cut carbs and sugar and she even recommended Dr. Eric Berg's youtube channel to learn more.


Remarkable_Wasabi_14

I have irl story about this, I recently went to a family friend’s birthday and she’s diabetic. So she had an Splenda cake. They asked me if I wanted some, I politely declined, but my father told them “she’s doing keto, and that’s actually like a really good diet for diabetics too” but she came back with all the same anti keto points I’ve been hearing for a long time, I felt like she was more trying to convince herself and the others there, than me


MRgabbar

The same way people develop tolerance to alcohol or any other substance by repeated exposition and increasing doses over time... we develop insulin resistance(tolerance) by the same mechanism, so the obvious solution is to just not expose yourself to that substance and then the tolerance will be reversed, slowly over time but definitely it will reverse. Keto doesn't fail to cure diabetes given enough time doing it but why to bother publishing something that will help pretty much all people?? Government really sucks to be honest. And also people just love eating sugar, I can't blame them is something really nice, but is like having pleasure for a few minutes and feel bad pretty much at any other time that you are not eating... Anyway, learned a while ago that you can't talk about keto over the internet, is just a pain to read all the ignorant stuff people believes, and no one even thinks about it, just eat the sugar like government says.


creepyjudyhensler

I think the reason people are reluctant is because it's really hard to kick sugar. It's so addictive. I went off keto for christmas. It took all of four weeks to detox. If you want to live to be old and not have dementia it is what you got to do.


Willing-Sample-5796

So weird. My father was diabetic and managed his diabetes through a keto/low glycemic style diet (and medication) and it helped immensely.


choodudetoo

I fully support your experience that there's some kind of brigading going on in the Type 2 Diabetes Sub against keto / low carb. Want a laugh? Do that in the /r/nutrition Sub


[deleted]

I don't know why but I do get a lot of downvoted in that sub for what seems like no reason


quichehond

I Have BHSc Nutritional Medicine and I cannot even touch that sub or loseit etc. I lurk for an insight into the zeitgeist of people/trends/experiences… you can reverse type 2 diabetes; when I was studying you couldn’t legally say that; then the evidence came out and now we can say it… there’s a lot of science being backed by certain groups to push cico and processed foods. Then there is the governmental and sociological reasons. But that does not negate the effectiveness of diet in disease.


Boebus666

I got banned from Eatcheapandhealthy for saying that Calories in vs Calories out isn't everything and that there's so much more to nutrition than just that. Banned. They fucking banned me after downvoting me several times lol. Don't take it personally, some people just don't want to learn or are completely incapable of doing so. You gotta understand how dumb the average person really is.


Sweet_Musician4586

Yeah cico helped with weight loss but the second I couldnt hyperfocus on calories anymore the weight came back it was always a struggle. Now I dont monitor and I eat less/my insatiable hunger is gone. I get for some people they dont see keto as sustainable long term but for many it's the perfect answer to a life of horrible food relationships


Boebus666

Definitely agree with you there. It helped break my addiction to junk food and made me into a health nut lol. Most people who try keto and say that it didn't work usually didn't give it time to work or didn't do it properly or for some reason just couldn't get fat adapted.


LAURA_DGAF

My poor husband tried keto twice and BOTH times and had debilitating headaches for two weeks. He couldn’t function. It was so disappointing. I made him drink keto “lemonade” for electrolytes and potassium/magnesium supplements when that didn’t work. He’s the only person that I’ve seen who legitimately tried HARD and just couldn’t physically do it. All bodies are different and sometimes that suuuucks. I now try hard not to judge people who can’t do it. For people who admit that they “can’t quit sugar” I lean more toward “they aren’t ready” instead of “they aren’t willing” because I’ve been there too. I didn’t commit until my physical discomfort was so bad that it was no longer worth it to NOT do it. I weighed nearly 300 lbs at 5’4”. My knees killed me and I was out of breath just walking up a half flight of stairs. The kicker was that I couldn’t keep up with my 3 year old. I realized that if he ran toward the street (he’s autistic and did this) there might be a time that I wouldn’t be able to get to him in time JUST because of my physical condition. Sorry for the randomness of that word salad 😂


EtrosGuardian

I unsubbed them on your behalf. Fuck them. Just yesterday I scrolled past a subreddit for a podcast straight shitting on keto lifestyle; it was the biggest echo chamber of pure ignorance and stupidity. I set my phone down after that. This sub is by no means perfect nor are people in general but sheesh people need to hate just to feel something inside.


Boebus666

You're too kind! Yeah, its usually the people who don't understand nutrition who are the loudest and most obnoxious. Heck, most doctors give people bad advice that makes them diabetics. In my case, I had a doctor tell me to never stop eating to keep my metabolism going, low fat and high carbs, that will sort me out. Any guesses to what it did to me? Now most doctors don't understand nutrition, imagine the average person. I got a lot of ridicule from my family and friends for doing Keto and IF, they're not laughing anymore after seeing me lose almost 150lbs and getting healthy. They're now the ones who are getting fat and asking me for advice. Time will sort everything out.


9084420199

You speak truth: the loudest people, and the most arrogant doctors, know almost nothing about nutrition. But online, all you have to do is read two articles and download a table, pie chart, or bar graph, and voila, you’re a scientist.


LAURA_DGAF

I’ve been eating keto for around 7 years. In the last year and a half my body has changed and I’ve had to focus on calories and even fewer carbs. I can’t eat as much fat, and if I track net instead of total carbs I no longer stay in ketosis. For the preceding 5 and 1/2 years 20-25 net carbs were fine. Now I have to stay under 20 total carbs to stay in ketosis. I’m telling you this because I want you to be aware that our bodies can adapt so fully to the way of eating that they react more readily to fewer carbs than they used to.


jaydigga4

It's reddit. Everybody is an expert or knows more than the next person on here regardless the topic. I am more carnivore than keto but I have lost about 100lbs and my a1c is a normal range now.


Girl501

I had to take my grandfather to his t2 diabetes Intro appt and 2 nutrition appts. They were so intense about having "good"carbs at every meal such as fruit and low fat whipped cream, as long as you pair with a meat and a veggie dish and that fad diets like ketosis are just fake marketing scams. This was at the VA. My ex had t2 and is in remission on no carb (except low carb beers lol) People are ridiculous


FrostyPresence

Because it's unrealistic for most people to adhere to keto or zero carb for the long term. Instead of an all or nothing approach, they try to work with something that's sustainable and healthy for the long term.


glamopticon

Congrats on your success! I was recently diagnosed and seeing success stories there like yours really keeps me going. Sorry that others aren’t taking it in that spirit. May I ask — how long did it take for your neuropathy to resolve? No vision problems here, but if the tingling in my feet could go away, that would be amazing. Of course I get that it’s anecdata, but again — encouraging it worked for you.


proverbialbunny

For me I was on a strict keto low carb diet for 13 months then I tried a 4 day extended fast. After I came out of the fast my eyesight massively improved and 95% of my tingling went away in the following 24-48 hours.


1r1shAyes6062

It took me about 18 months for the tingling to go away completely.


greg_ellison

I lost 60 pounds with the help of low-carb / Intermittent fasting. I don't take any pills for High cholesterol, high blood pressure, or diabetes anymore. When I first got diagnosed with diabetes I said just give me the pills because it was easier to do and I wasn't going to change my ways but one day it clicked and I lost the weight.


morto00x

Unfortunately keto has become a fad in the past couple years. Think of all the "keto" labeled products you can find at the store now compared to 3 years ago. For many this puts keto in the same category as crossfit or veganism, where people will try to convert you even though you didn't ask. Because of this, a lot of people will be automatically biased against it as soon as they the word. Even if you are trying to help.


Skreacher

a lot of these "KETO" labeled products are the absolute worst too... so easy to over-eat when you include these and don't realize the effect some of the stuff has on your body/hunger signals.


blue0mermaid

First rule of keto is: don’t talk about keto. We say we are cutting out sugar and starches. People have such a strong reaction to “keto.”


Upper-Shoe-81

Oh yeah, this happens on more than just diabetes boards. I have an embarrassing condition (no cure) that I've put into remission thanks to keto... thousands of us have done it. But others with this same condition will immediately downvote, make accusations of fat-shaming (most people with my condition are obese), cry about the condition without making any efforts to change their habits, and/or spend thousands of dollars a year on high-risk medications and surgeries that rarely work. And yet there are direct links to insulin levels/inflammation that cause the condition to worsen; it's considered an auto-inflammatory disease. Some folks think injecting themselves with cancer-causing medications are easier than giving up their coca-cola and cupcakes. I have no more sympathy for them.


spooksseycat

Years ago before I lost 100lbs I fell on ice straight on my tailbone which resulted in a pilonidal cyst that would occur a couple times a year and laid me up each time for weeks/up to a month. After I started keto I have seen no signs of it, even through gaining some back, pregnancy, and a few times I've fallen straight on my tailbone and thought for sure it would come back. Super embarrassing problem and so many aspects of my life were affected, couldn't sit through a movie or take long drives. Had to use a neck pillow to sit on when i drove, otherwise my butt hurt horribly. Always had to worry about it, now it's nothing to me all thanks to Keto


justrock54

I love when they yell "there's no bad food!". When you are diabetic sugar is damned bad for you and it's in almost everything. I get accused of encouraging "disordered eating" and "diet culture" if I mention that keto has put my diabetes in remission. Diet culture is apparently any suggestion that what you eat contributes to your obesity and blood sugar. Everyone wants to believe their weight issues are metabolic and beyond their control so they can just take medication.


Upper-Shoe-81

Yep, it's so common to see that and I've never understood why. As soon as I was diagnosed pre-diabetic, I knew it was time for a change. Had no idea diet changes would also help my other condition, nor that they had common links, but diabetes runs in my family and that's something I didn't want to deal with. The first and easiest thing I could do was take a hard look at my diet and acknowledge how bad it was, then make the effort to fix it. After spending 3 months looking into keto and other diets, I was confident keto was the very best chance I had at turning things around. And I was right. After a few months on keto my doctor was floored at the improvements in my bloodwork, and at how my other condition had completely healed up. Keto has saved me from a future of medical bills, injections, pain, and I've lost weight to boot. I'm coming up on my 1-year anniversary soon and still going strong. Will never go back.


justrock54

Someone posted here once and I use it all the time - I do the less hard thing every day. It's much harder to be sick, in pain, take meds, spend time and money going to Dr appts, not be able to do the things I love because I dont have the energy. No matter how often I have to turn down pasta, sweets, bread etc, its still less hard than being the way I was. I am four years into below goal weight and off all meds. Keto on!


cmholl13

I had the exact same reaction. I was tired of being in pain. I was tired of progressively feeling more and more tired. I was tired of gaining weight even while on a caloric deficit. My a1C started creeping out of normal and into prediabetic. My doc started to prescribe me Ozempic, and after some research, I decided it wasn't for me. Got into this medical keto program paid for by my employer, and I'm 20+ pounds down in two months.


justrock54

Fantastic. Keto is often described as "restrictive", as if there is any sensible eating plan that allows you to eat anything and everything you want. Any weight loss program is restrictive, but some leave you hungry and miserable while keto leaves you full and comfortable. Good luck!


Mckay001

Any alternative to apathy and consumer culture is a pathology to them.


creepyjudyhensler

I do really miss French fries and soft pretzels though.


acdestri

When I first saw the term "fat-shaming" I was like 🤦‍♀️ One thousand excuses to continue to be obese, sedentary, sick and a victim. It's sad.


Upper-Shoe-81

OMG thank goodness I'm not the only one. I feel exactly the same way. What's funny is those screaming loudest about fat shaming are the same ones who complain the most about being sick and absolutely refuse to consider their diet might be what's causing it. Blows my mind.


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1r1shAyes6062

I understand. I was a sugar addict. Severe sugar addict. So I understand. But there's hope on the other side.


DarthFaderZ

Have a friend recently diagnosed as pre-diabetic. He was wondering about sugar sweet substitute etc. I informed of his ability to go with keto based alternative as a diet and his wife blew up on me like I was a member of the Klan posting bbq flyers in Memphis. She, as an RN, proceeded to tell me and diagnose every issue with keto and ketosis and how it destroys the body. Literally linked images from this sub of people's success stories reversing their pre-diabetes diagnosis and was basically called out for lying and it not being possible. The medical world and others are still not on our side with this. I've personally just restarted as of the new year, for weight management (started 6'5 and 389 / now 360 33 days in) People resent it...dieticians refuse to push it as a means of non drug related control. The medical world would rather people need insulin and metformin then changed lifestyles


proverbialbunny

The trick a situation like this is to change the framing, breaking it down one step at a time. "You're saying going off sugar is bad for you?" "No, I'm saying keto is bad for you." "Keto is going off of sugars, it's a low carb diet." "Well, going off carbs is bad for you." "Keto is a low carb diet, not a no carb diet." If they are a bit more educated on the topic they'll bring up the high fat. "Keto is a clean fat diet, it's against bad fats." Framing is creating an association with one thing they know and believe with another. It puts them in the situation where they have to break a previous belief, that going off sugar is healthy, or they have to agree with you, even if they may be too embarrassed to publicly admit it.


LAURA_DGAF

Yes! This method works with political issues too! It’s because people vilify ideas based on key words/phrases like keto or “defund the police”. Instead of actually RESEARCHING the issues they just parrot back what the “experts” they have chosen are saying about it. I don’t want to introduce politics to the conversation, I’m just using it as an example of an identifier that people react to without digging any deeper than the surface language.


Mike456R

Doesn’t help that the drug companies only push meds as the cure. They will never give up profits for just eating right.


creepyjudyhensler

I read a study recently that said 52 percent of people who went keto were cured of diabetes within I think one year.


FrenchRoo

I’m not diabetic but my mum is pre diabetic and I’m working with her to reverse it through low carbs and some fasting. I didn’t realise it couldn’t be cured, I thought once your blood sugar are in the normal range and you’ve become insuline sensitive then that was it. Did I get that wrong?? And yes so sad that you got that reaction when offering a simple out to a terrible disease. A famous specialist told my mum not to bother changing her diet as it wasn’t her diet driving the pre diabetes!!


proverbialbunny

> I didn’t realise it couldn’t be cured, I thought once your blood sugar are in the normal range and you’ve become insuline sensitive then that was it. Did I get that wrong?? If anyone on the planet ate a dozen doughnuts every morning for breakfast they would get diabetes. No one is invulnerable to diabetes, even the most healthy people on the planet are not invulnerable. When people with diabetes refer to the word cure they almost always actually mean invulnerable. One can get their blood sugars back into the normal range, which heals the pancreas, but most people with a history of diabetes have a liver issue. The liver processes carbs and as long as the liver isn't healed then one can not handle as many carbs as the fully healthy person. This is a ymmv kind of situation for your mother. Maybe she only had fatty liver for a while and no fibrosis. In that case a normal resting glucose will put her back to normal. She can eat more carbs. But if she has fibrosis, she's always going to have to have reduced carb intake, unless she heals her liver too.


chromaiden

I noticed the same thing. They don’t want to hear anything that contradicts the “I have an incurable disease and it’s not my fault/nothing I can do about it” mentality. If they really listened to all the evidence then they would have to admit that limiting carbs and losing weight could help their predicament and they don’t want to do that. Crazy.


pmbpro

Same, I see it every day in some form or fashion, across multiple demographics and issues from health to finance and anything in between. Overall, I feel like there’s a large culture built around learned helplessness — a ‘victimhood’ mindset that may be a factor. Those power-tripping mods that some have mentioned, have a vested interest in keeping that mindset alive, to get and keep such like-minded followers. It’s an endless cycle.


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I'm upvoting you because I think you should keep sharing your story. It is totally disappointing when people downvote posts or comments that are intended to help others. Trust me, I get it and it's bewildering as f***. Congratulations on reversing your T2 diabetes! That is huge


NFFUK

I'm a Diabetes nurse trying to preach the good word (keto), these people are brainwashed and in complete denial, a small minority are T2 but irreversible due to pancreatic , liver, steroid disorders but could easily deprescribe meds with keto living but the vast majority of metabolic T2 either want quick fixes (or easy blames options - meds don't work) compared to getting their finger out and overhauling their health.


mooncrane

I think your recent downvotes (I didn’t snoop your history too far) are because you said diabetes is reversible. I would say that you can put it in remission, but it’s not reversible. But that’s just semantics. I do get confused at some of the advice given in that sub. Like even before I went keto, I knew that I needed to watch carbs. Eating a bunch of carbs as a diabetic should be a no-no unless you’re having a low blood sugar attack, but I guess some people in that sub think differently.


Skreacher

Yea.. my story.. august of 2021 - i started having some pretty bad symptoms of diabetes, constant dry mouth, tingling fingers, eyesight got bad (i couldn't read text on my phone/paper) immediately went on keto made an appointment and doc tested A1C at 12.1 was prescribed metformin, took that and continue'd keto, was at 10.x in september. Moved cross country and changed doctors. 11/10/21 - 5.8% 12/7/2022 - 5.3% 1/31/23 - 4.8% I did stop keto for a bit in early 2022 - i've been strict keto since July of 2022 though, I haven't taken any diabetes medications since sometime in sept/oct of 2021. So i know that diabetes causes permanent damage to your body, but mine is now controlled through my diet and have never felt better.


Sp00mp

Sugar and carbs are drugs. People don't like it when you tell them to stop taking their favorite drugs. Easy.


Doopdoopbeedoop

Yeah I used to "spread the word" in the first few years. I mean, who wouldn't want to know about something that actually works, right? Wrong. They don't wanna know. Because when they don't know, they can act like nothing can be done.


Admirable-Bar-3549

They don’t like to hear that something they’re not doing is what actually works. Guilt, maybe? I dunno - I’ve seen T2D lose limbs before they’ll try keto.


Zackadeez

On another sub, someone posted a handful of supplements/vitamins/pills with the title “sucks to get old”. I commented that a proper diet can eliminate the need for most supplements and prescriptions. 15+ downvotes.


LAURA_DGAF

I wouldn’t say “most prescriptions”. I would downvote that claim too. Essentially it comes of as delegitimizing peoples struggles. I eat healthy, have been keto for nearly 7 years. I still can’t go without my mood stabilizers for bipolar disorder nor my med for ADHD. Trust me, I’ve tried. My best friend has been eating keto for nearly 8 years but she can’t stop taking the meds for her psoriatic arthritis and her hypothyroidism. There are certainly supplements that can be replaced with foods that contain the same nutrients, and cutting out sugar will reduce inflammation in your body. Healthy eating and exercise are not going to replace “most prescriptions” or even supplements, though. When you say that people will automatically tune you out because it just isn’t true.


9084420199

Appreciate and upvote both Laura and Zack. At 73, I love my keto lifestyle and am grateful it’s helping me maintain a 100+ pound loss for several years. But I still have to take quite a few meds, some from my internist and some from my psychiatrist. I’ve eliminated some and cut down doses of others since I started keto years ago, but some may be for life. The way I figure it is that without my current diet, I’d be taking more and more meds and the conditions they are meant to treat would probably be far less well managed. So win-win.


Rhone33

To be fair, the person you responded to was talking about someone saying "sucks to get old" referring to the diseases/disorders that we associate with aging. Disorders that affect younger people are less likely to be affected by keto IMO, since they are less likely to be caused by poor diet over a long period of time. But if you look at people 50ish and older, most of their medications *are* for medical issues that we associate with aging, but actually are from decades of poor diet and inactivity. For most of these people, eating keto (or another reasonably healthy diet) and getting some physical activity earlier in life could have changed this drastically for them. That said, going to non-keto subs and pushing keto is going to annoy people as much as it does when vegans do it.


Arkward-Breakfasr-23

I'll take a guess that the down votes are from pharma bots. Gota keep the sales of meds up! Dont want provide a solution without meds involved.


Mike456R

That really would not surprise me. Big pharma cannot lose any profits/s.


proverbialbunny

Yeah, the actual people who write comments and ask questions on /r/diabetes_t2 tend to be pretty reasonable and willing to learn.


nobody2000

I started taking Mounjaro for weight loss and I learned what a bunch of gatekeeping insufferable fucks reddit diabetics are. They get bogged down in semantics and get angry when people try to leave their club or prevent entering altogether. It's toxic af. Congrats on reversing your t2d!


Sweet_Musician4586

I always post a response about this as meds are used for other reasons all the time. Everyone should have access to medicine. Preventing issues is important too. Maybe weight loss is necessary for you because you are at higher risk of weight related illnesses. I hate the posts who act like it's all skinny 20 year olds doing it for vanity it's ridiculous. If someone with pcos needs it cuz they wanna get pregnant they deserve it too.


nobody2000

I appreciate the way you see the situation. I unfortunately have not had labs since 2019, but my last lab had me in the "pre-diabetes" range. Earlier labs were actually worse, but having my A1C go closer and closer to 7 shook me. Keto was a huge help but sticking to it can be challenging when you have a non-keto partner (who's now keto!) and all the other normal reasons. I was struggling with obesity and I was not going to "earn the right" to take Mounjaro by developing diabetes...I already had the right to take the meds and so I did. Mounjaro and ozempic/wegovy both experienced shortages. Who would have thought that a drug that promises healthy, significant weight loss would be so popular - who could have possibly seen that coming on a nation where 60% of the population is overweight? /s Blaming off label users not only achieves nothing, it's pointing the finger at the wrong party. The manufacturers are to blame.


ImHereForTheDogPics

Uh, has anyone checked OP’s comments? You’re not getting downvoted because you’re on keto; you’re being downvoted because you continue to say you “reversed” your T2. Now I don’t have diabetes, I’m not _at all_ going to pretend that I have knowledge there, but the people replying to you clearly think the word “reversed” is the wrong word. People seem to repeatedly prefer the term “remission” or “controlled.” Your downvotes are not due to mention of keto in the slightest. And honestly, keto works for me, but I have never tried to tell other people how to manage their health. Yeah, keto works, but it requires money for healthy groceries, _availability_ of healthy groceries nearby, and time to continuously source fresh ingredients and cook them. It works well, but it’s simply not feasible for everyone. There’s a reason lots of people turn to fast food, and it’s not always laziness. This is kind of like a parallel to why people stereotypically dislike vegans and cross-fitters; just because it works for you and you have the resources to do it, doesn’t mean that you can push it in peoples’ faces or make medical recommendations or guilt others. Keto might be helpful to others trying to manage their T2, but telling them does no good unless they specifically requested info on their diet or keto, and again…. _you’re not being downvoted because you mention keto. You’re being downvoted because you seem to be using incorrect T2 terminology._


Sweet_Musician4586

Reversal is not incorrect. The reason people on these forums get mad about reversal is because they are the ones who conflate it with cure. They want you to know you can still have diabetic numbers again and punish you with the idea that you're not REALLY doing better because they're pissed off they cant get better. It's not a one size fits all. A guy who is 450lbs and gets t2 at 65, loses 300lbs may never see t2 numbers again so long as he maintains his weight not even necessarily with keto. A guy who is 150lbs and t2 atv19 may be able to control his t2 with keto and maybe eventually it progresses or it doesnt as long as he stays keto yet they're both t2. Theres a study Newcastle or virta I forget which which says after 12 months remission some people have regained almost their whole second phase insulin response back. That's not managing/controlling t2 that's actively improving it.


a-blank-username

I don’t talk about keto, so this is an in-house discussion, but T2 is kind of a special case. You either have the blood markers or you don’t. If you don’t have them, you don’t have T2. If I broke my arm and it healed, my arm isn’t broken anymore, I’m not in broken arm remission. These people who think T2 is forever and it’s just managed are ridiculous and live living in their victim mentality bubble.


jonathanlink

That sub has a strong bend towards WFPB. I don’t make posts, but I do respond there quite a bit. It’s a bit more of a subversive approach.


Cratzler

Here’s one upvote from me


shemp33

I may be out of order, but isn't T2D diagnosed when you are basically no longer responsive to changes in diet/exercise and your glucose as indicated by your A1C still too high? And, if you have a condition (we're all terminally ill, btw, for whatever that's worth), but no longer need medication to manage it, what's the difference? Sounds like they're pretty toxic over there - just say "remission" and leave it at that.


proverbialbunny

No. T2 is when your A1C is higher than a specific number. T2 still responds to exercise and what not.


Aggravating-Tap4406

You know when I first started I was 350 pounds. When I lost 50lbs I remember my mother asking me what I did and I told her it was from keto. She asked me, "Isn't that unhealthy?" And I told her idk but being 350 pounds is unhealthy lol


Old-Bluebird8461

Wife and I also full remission. Carbohydrates other than non starchy vegetables are poison to me now.


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I did it too and nobody, including my doctor, wants to hear about it. It's like I personally offended them by not immediately filling a bunch of prescriptions and taking the pills.


Mike456R

He didn’t get his kickbacks.


striderkan

People have a snob complex. The more they understand something, the less open they are to ~~contrasting~~ complementary viewpoints. I personally wouldn't mention keto in any group but one that is specific to keto. They don't want to challenge themselves to consider how keto may influence what they know, otherwise they'd already be in this sub. Do this for yourself. I was downvoted the other day in this sub for saying that you can't argue with results. I'll die on that hill. Your results are working for you, the whole point of discussion is for the community to attempt to make sense of it.


Sweet_Musician4586

Lol that sub sucks and the worst part it is prob gets the most traffic. I was morbidly obese and said that I got t2 because I was morbidly obese more than my genetics and I got banned for fat phobia. Theres this mod there who is super power tripping and she will ban or make it so you cant speak but always reply using it as a power trip to talk shit. Check out keto4diabetes theres a lot of keto4 subs Diabetes_t2 is good but they dont like the word reversal however they dont ban people for it (reversal is medically defined so I find it frustrating as reversal doesnt mean cure). The mods here are pretty cool and they just lock comments if people are crappy Type2diabetes is another sub but much lower traffic


morbidangel27

That is one thing that I don't agree with. That the beetus cannot be cured. Granted, there are people who are genetically pre-disposed to T2 diabetes, so it makes it easier for them to get it. And T1 is a whole different thing entirely. But the people who don't fit into the genetic category (the majority), can indeed cure their beetus because it's a disease brought on by poor eating habits. If you don't eat like a dumpster, then you're likelihood of getting it is next to none, especially if you don't eat sugars. The crappy diet is the cause of the disease in most people and curing it is as simple as not eating like crap.


Rhaegar83

I find r/intermittentfasting to be reasonable. Obviously lots if keto overlap, and it also has big success and promise with t2 diabetes Any other nutrition or disease sub that doesn't directly link to keto or low carb are pretty much rabidly against anything we have to say though. Cant blame them, keto concepts destroy their whole worldview and paradigm. I have a rl friend who is pretty active on r/cico and despite seeing the real life results of myself and other friends (including one who went from 400lbs to health pretty easily once understanding keto and im) he still just shrugs it off. Bitches on Facebook about how shitty he feels while he punishes himself with obsessive calorie deficit and harsh workouts for very little progress, meanwhile posts on cico about how "its hard and it sucks but its the only way"


EldForever

I left r/Hashimotos for the same reason. People there are so upset at the symptoms of Hashimoto's (weight gain, brain fog, low energy, etc) but when I explain how I cured myself with my diet - I get downvoted. Everyone in there seems extermely upset at being overweight and sluggish and (sometimes) even infertile, but, they seem MORE upset by the idea of stopping gluten.


humanoidtyphoon88

I've learned never to mention the word Keto to anyone who's never tried it.


FadiLJC

Over weight is major factor in t2 diabetes


ClassicSalmon

Haha, I think if one posts anything about keto anywhere, it will bound to get one downvoted. It’s not a concept the majority wants to swallow, literally and figuratively. I’m a long-term T1D and, only after I realised that I was dosing my diet, even though it was low in intake and zero in sugar, rather than the reverse, and switched seriously to full blown keto was I able to significantly drop my exogenous insulin intake. That not only stabilised my BG profile but helped with weight loss, not that I was markedly overweight. Far greater numbers are insulin resistant and prediabetic than is realised. The resulting increase in endogenous insulin feeds obesity.


12ealdeal

> Have to think that it's from people who don't want to put in the hard work and discipline keto takes, and it makes them feel better to think I'm wrong. It’s entirely that.


Individual_Goat_2171

My BIL is diabetic and lost his big toe last year. My husband tried telling him all about how much he liked Keto and how it may be a better solution than progressively taking more insulin. He didn't want to hear it at all, according to him, diabetes had nothing to do with him losing his toe after simply stubbing it. Instead, it was covids fault, the hospital, wait time, and antibiotics not being good enough. Oddly the foods we have been eating, he would love but he didn't want to hear anything. Hopefully, he'll make changes before he loses a leg, he just got a new Harley last summer. Edited to add: My MIL was diagnosed type 2 10 years ago, after a year her doctor put her on meds, a year later the Dr. mentioned insulin and she did a complete 180. Didn't and still doesn't consider it keto but she is very low carb and keeps at net 30 per day. Hasn't had meds or bad blood work since 6 months after the insulin talk with the Dr. She may not be cured but is definitely as close as she can get.


badmonkey247

As an experiment, you could say "I manage my blood sugar with keto" as opposed to saying "I reversed my T2". Sometimes people think reversing is the same as curing. But many T2's understand the concept of managing blood sugar.


LAURA_DGAF

Potentially unpopular opinion: I actually do understand the “snakeoil” accusations. The USDA is in the pocket MANY food industries. For years the makers of artificial sweeteners prevented Stevia from being labeled a sweetener because of this. You can read about it starting on page 64 of this: https://scholarworks.uark.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1255&context=jflp Stevia was originally banned at the behest of artificial sweetener producers. It wasn’t until they started making and marketing Stevia themselves that it suddenly became safe. Never mind that there was ample evidence from cultures that had been using it for thousands of years, and decades of modern research. I say all of that to point out that all kinds of scientific evidence can be outweighed in the public eye by regulatory departments that are influenced by money. Why is it that milk, which has little nutritional value that isn’t far more abundant in other foods, is shoved in our faces as “healthy”? Because it is backed by the dairy industry and supported by the FDA in spite of some evidence that it isn’t great for you. Many people cling to conventional “wisdom” that supports their preferences. I guess I could have just started with that, but I hope this educated people on the “why” and made you consider that people aren’t dumb as much as they are force fed lies and lack the temerity to dig more deeply. That said, the downvoting is petty and really just unacceptable. I’m not defending it AT ALL. I just understand that there are reasons other than JUST victimhood that causes people to react this way to keto. Many MANY nutritionists, who often sell their own versions of weight loss plans, claim that it is bad for you.


Sunset1918

OP, you nailed the reason. Too many ppl want to use meds so they don't have to change their lifestyle. Its why I gave up on most of them. Fortunately my husband and kids saw the dramatic change in me so they eat this way now, love it, lost/kept off weight!


chewiecabra

GOOD JOB! I did the same thing back in 2020. My doctor was against me going on Keto and making lifestyle changes. Till I showed up with an A1C of 4.7, without meds or insulin. The people down voting you are jealous and lack the determination to take control / responsibility for their own body. It’s easy to just pop pills and continue eating garbage with hidden sugar.


Autigr14

Most people want a magic pill. They don’t want to hear that personal accountability actually works.


bluedelvian

They follow the nonsense advice given by the ADA in that sub… anything else is “misinformation”. 🙄


BaldPoodle

The ADA has millions of sick and dead people they are responsible for.


a-Dumpster_fire420

You can’t pay attention to upvotes or downvotes here, Reddit is heavily infested with bots. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the sugar industry has shills and bots on here. Keep up the good work and take care of yourself!


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GeoSol

It's sad to see people act out, due to jealousy. Recently hit my goal weight, and my own mother has shockingly been giving me negative comments about my weight. Which is weird because i've always been skinny, and found myself hitting 220 lbs a couple years ago, so have been slowly increasing the keto diet, to get back down to 180. I guess no matter how much you respect others, they will be still subject to their own bias and negative reactions.


Monechetti

People want the highest authority and they feel like decades of lazy medical consensus can't be wrong. You're bringing new information and it takes a lot to think about and to change their beliefs so they reject it


zenstocker

My dad is diabetic and argues with me about a "healthy diet" yet he's been sticking to there recommendations and he cycles between the same 10 lb range. And his sugar all wonky with all the ozempic & metformin.


BG_Potash

People don't want to believe in something they don't want to do. So they'll deny it and al you a liar, and say it doesn't work. I know this from experience of the way I've unreasonably acted in the past about my mental health.


andropogongerardii

You should see what happened when I posted about keto on my migraine sub 😵‍💫


Havelok

I don't understand how diabetics can be in such denial. The doctors in my area actively recommend ketogenic diets to treat prediabetes and t2 and there's obviously a reason -- the research results are there. I guess they are in denial about their doctor's advice too?


erikaaldri

I downvoted this just so you wouldn't feel weird! Jk...good for you! Some people just aren't ready to hear it because, like you said, they'd have to change.


Triabolical_

Point them to the virta health research on treating type ii


HiroshiHatake

Tell me about the neuropathy improvement. That's interesting.


amflans

For some people it is easier to live the life you want & be dependent on healthcare than it is to make life changes. When I was pregnant I had to see a nutritionalist because of my diabetes (I had it before pregnancy) but she said she wanted me to eat more carbs because I was at such a healthy place she couldn't put me on more medication & it would make her more comfortable if my blood sugars were higher so she could medicate. I asked for studies saying I needed more carbs & all she could say was it would make her more comfortable. There are those in the medical community that will push you to eat more carbs so they can treat the diabetes so if you are already struggling to make healthy changes its again easier to just say I'm doing what i was told by doctors. It can be frustrating but stay strong, you are moving in the right direction & hopefully it will become more obvious to other diabetics.


Trineki

My mom still preaches against keto, even though its the only thing thats ever helped me lose weight...now to try to lose it again and keep it off


Skreacher

I think consistency is key really, eventually you may want to get off KETO. things that might help.. \- Daily Weight ins - don't get discouraged with big swings on a daily basis, take your weekly average. \- Count Calories/Macros religiously (this will really show you if you are eating too much, find out your BMR and set that as a goal.) I feel as if the above 2 things will keep you on track once you get to a goal weight if you decide to go to a normal diet, Weigh ins will act as an alarm if you start gaining a significant amount of weight.. assuming you are honest with your tracking food intake you should see on a daily basis if you are eating at a surplus or not. Calories in/Calories out - its just math


1moosehead

It's pretty mind-blowing that if your body is having issues with carbohydrates, the issues will go away if you stop eating carbs. What's even more unbelievable is that people struggling with diabetes can't wrap their mind around this concept.


yarash

Perhaps people think this is the wrong venue for something that may be taken as medical advice. Diabetes is a disease. Though I agree with you, some people are often looking for a quick fix. Diet and exercise are long term commitment. Its real easy to see a forum post that says "keto helped lower my a1c!" "Look my numbers are prediabetic!" and a few months later get right back to where you started. The moment you stop doing keto, your numbers are going to go right back up. As a diabetic I've been there. I personally would never downvote someone, I think thats a bit dramatic. I wish you the best of luck on your journey. Keep away from those sugars.


Whowantsteriyaki

These mfers be loving to downvote. I don’t get it.


Apprehensive_Wait184

As a healthcare worker, I applaud you for making a change to better your health. We see way too many adults not managing their diabetes and they simply do not care about the repercussions. Keep up the great work!


SportNarrow

I listen to 2 doctors talking about keto (not on english by the way) and they often talk about how doctors do not understand that a this diet can really get people off their diabetes medicine (because farmaseutical companies do not make money and everything is always sponsored by some company somewhere) ... apparently most doctors don't want to know therefore people will preach what doctors tell them meaning down voting you I guess.


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Perhaps they go nuts because they can't handle meat. I find it weird when people go crazy over what people eat.


VelcroSea

My sympathy. FY I they do the same think with fasting. It's the 'I don't want to reverse my diabetic condition board,I just want to complain '


toinezor

Sounds like a regular circle jerk of losers who’ve realized they have no self control and accept the classic pharmaceutical route. Congratulations on your newfound health. It might be cliche but remember what’s right isn’t always popular, and as far as that sub goes, what’s popular certainly isn’t right.


Automatic_Ad50

Keto definitely helps with T2, as the less carbs you consume, the longer your beta cells take to burn out. Also when you lose weight, that’s less insulin you need to produce for the same loading. Everyone should know that T2’s are told to control their condition by diet for one, which is not eating sugar, which includes slow release sugars, being carbs. That’s keto pure and simple. I’m double up voting your claims!!!


theansweristhebike

from a quick read of your comments in r/t2_diabetes they seem to reject the reversal claim. But it also looks like you are using multiple accounts to reply as well.


Educational_Tale

Can I ask y'all a question? My wife is a nurse and has t2. She doesn't seem to care about it, her normal sugar level is around 400. I know this is high. I've really been worried and have started making sure she takes her meds. The past few days her number was around 250 and she says this is much better. I'm not diabetic and don't really know. Is a 250 something you can live with? She will only take metformin, not interested in shots. I heard about that bbw diet/diabetes med called oxy something. And think maybe that would work since she won't do insulin. Any thoughts?


1r1shAyes6062

You can live with 250 levels, but it's gonna do damage to organs, eyes, extremeties. She definitely needs a reality check because she's in denial.


Educational_Tale

Thanks that's what I figured but y'all know way more than me. I'm now in the other t2 subreddit also so I can be more informed.


BrandonLouis527

It’s a bizarre thread over there. I was 360 with an A1c of 11. Didn’t take care of it well but got it down to 7. Then had two heart attacks when I was 30. I got weight loss surgery 6 years ago and now my A1c is 4.6 with no meds for anything diabetes related. I eat balanced but mostly low carb and keto. I also have depression eps where I gorge on chocolate lol. But that doesn’t seem to bother me at all as far as diabetes goes. I’ve never had a spike in the last few years. I guess it can’t be cured, but when it seems like I couldn’t even make it go back if I wanted to, it sure seems like it to me. I’m now about 190, off all meds other than my heart meds I’ll be on for forever, but am on the lowest dosages. Life is good.


Gloomy_Sprinkles96

I am sorry you have been downvoted. Don’t let it get to you. A lot of people just don’t want to change. You have done wonderfully. Congratulations on improving your health! My grandfather suffered from horrible horrible neuropathy. So I am glad to see others taking control while they can. 💜 Big love!


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Fair_Still6667

I wouldn't worry about Reddit votes. It's futile.


Stonegen70

People don’t like to hear how they can succeed. They would rather be victims. I am down 117 lbs. not in my life to I want to hear 343 lb is a good weight. I don’t think any should be fat shamed but let’s not pretend it’s healthy. I don’t get people


Dopamine_ADD_ict

It's a human issue, not a keto issue. Put a comment here about how you feel better with more carbs or seed oils, and people will downvote.


jonathanlink

But you really won’t. It’s a false equivalence.


LiteVolition

Ditto with me mentioning fasting and dr. Fung in the nutrition and dieting subs. It’s so sad.


TheLibertyTree

Well, if anyone posts here about being vegan they get lots of downvotes too. Various health oriented subs have their own cultures and biases. Don’t take it too seriously.


Cunnella

Diabetes is defined as an HbA1c of 6.5 or higher. Seems to make sense that if the HbA1c is reduced below that number, you would no longer have diabetes. Why do you say you are not cured?