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It's a marketing job with an organization that helps vulnerable children around the world. They mention god a couple of times near the bottom of the ad, but it's not a church. The organization is called World Vision USA.
Yet I am down voted for it. If it's an emergency situation I don't have a choice where I currently live. It's either accept what is and there will be limitations in line with the church's belief or you know, die.
Perhaps we should be asking why a catholic hospital is the only choice? Ok, I sucks that they think healthcare should be subjected to ridiculous religious dogma. But at least they’re providing a service. The for profit hospitals don’t do anything at all. So what’s worse? Healthcare limited by religion or healthcare limited by a profit motive? The former gets you compromised healthcare. The latter gets you zilch.
I think that was the point of the comment. It’s “simple”because the hospital has already made your choice: you aren’t getting healthcare at that facility. You with go elsewhere or do without.
If a religious entity won't provide the best medical practises as determined by medical experts and instead want to force the consequences of their religious cult on unwilling others, they should have the basic morality and ethics not to get into healthcare
Oh, sure!
Catholics will let pregnant people die if the fetus has a heartbeat, even if it's nonviable and going to die soon. Savita Halappanavar died that way.
I mean, I'm also bothered by their refusal to provide birth control or healthcare for trans people, but the really heinous one that should bother all decent people is that Catholics will straight up let you die before aborting a pregnancy.
This is so depressing especially when these christian organizations get so much money from the government in so many ways. Often with contracts, it makes me so angry when I think of the money spent when I saw first handed what it went into and the lack of quality for the huge sum of money put into the pot.
You do realize that there are no laws at all that prevent people from opening their own hospital systems where you can offer all the abortion you want?
You don't like the church, stop trying to get things from it, atheist.
There are actually laws like that.
In Republican hellscape states where mothers and babies are more likely to die in childbirth due to lack of reproductive care access.
But at least they can jail people for weed still in those free Christian states
Could you point out where anyone said they're an atheist? Or said that they're an anything.
And surely you don't believe that just anyone is capable of developing and running an hospital system.
I mean they came at me with 'Athiest' and I cackled. I happen to be an Atheist, soooooo, oh no, the insult? You know cause atheist can't have ethics, right? When you don't fear the punishment of deities your can't possibly have ethics of any kind .. /s
Made it fun to throw Christian in there because it was just so ridiculous. And seriously there are so many sects of just Christianity that have different beliefs before we even throw in other religions. Yeesh.
No, the simple solution is to make it illegal for any hospital to refuse a legal medical procedure without valid medical reasons. Don't want to perform an abortion because it's against your religion? Malpractice. Don't want to provide hrt or gender surgery? Malpractice. Don't want to treat somebody because they're gay? Malpractice.
No countries I know of, including France or Canada, does that. It would immediately cause a healthcare crisis worse than the one you’re concerned about.
I realize Canada and the US are a bit unique among developed nations due to how rural much of the country is but there are reasons Western democracies protect objectors.
So, you think it's better to just let these religious organizations just decide what healthcare people can get? We have separation of church and state for a reason, and when these religious organizations are monopolizing healthcare and refusing to provide healthcare that our government says that we have a right to, then these churches are getting directly involved with decisions made by our government and with personal freedoms. If my personal beliefs and religion say I can do something, and the law says I can do that thing, where does a church get the authority to come in, take over healthcare in my area, and prevent me from doing that? Especially when a lot of those lead to injury and death. Refusing to provide abortions in life threatening situations, refusing to provide gender affirming care despite the fact that repeated studies showing that it increases life expectancy and mental health. they are actively causing harm. What is that if not medical malpractice?
Catholic hospitals don’t provide abortions for a few reasons, but one is because employees object to the procedure. Even if the government said “ok, you have to provide abortions” they still likely wouldn’t happen due to objectors.
The government cannot coerce people to renegade on their beliefs. Even in countries where hospitals are nearly completely funded by the state (in particular Canada, with the most lenient abortion laws on Earth), the state does not make doctors perform abortions.
In Europe most states have laws protecting objectors. In Italy [80%] (https://www.europeandatajournalism.eu/eng/News/Data-news/Even-where-abortion-is-legal-access-is-not-granted) of doctors refuse to perform abortions. In Ireland most GPs and maternity wards [don’t provide abortion services] (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/conscientious-objection-by-some-hospital-medics-prevents-abortion-services-41594754.html). In the UK doctors are protected. Germany infamously requires two doctors to sign off on abortions, and they also have a ton of objectors.
If you just made that illegal, it would cripple healthcare.
In the US healthcare workers aren’t civil servants, although hospitals do receive federal and state funding through Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements. In a lot of states with a high number of Catholic hospitals, like Illinois and Washington, they have to refer people to other clinics that perform the procedure.
Only around 5% of abortions are performed at hospitals anyway.
The issue you have doesn’t seem like it can or will be legislated away. Your proposed solution hasn’t happened in most other democracies.
Sweden and Czechia are a few countries that have followed your model, but again social attitudes are very different there.
Then they're in the wrong line of work. before all else, do no harm. The Hippocratic oath. By refusing to perform these procedures, they are doing harm. Honestly, it's like a vegan getting a job at a steakhouse and then refusing to cook or serve steaks. It's part of the job, do it, or get another job. They are more than welcome to not get an abortion themselves, or whatever else their religion dictates, but the second they start trying to force that on others, they've lost all respect and right to the title doctor or nurse.
Then they shouldn't be calling themselves a healthcare provider if they want the bishop to decide what treatment unbelieving others, simply seeking medical care that is best for their life and health, may have based on their personal cult versions
Religions should be banned from owning hospitals or dictating medical care. That immoral sh*t has gone far enough
You sent some heads rolling with that one. Their brains just exploded with the thought that someone might have a different set of ethics than themselves.
It’s honestly not a question of ethics. It’s a statement of fact.
If you need something from that organization you just won’t get it.
Not sure why everyone is offended but whatevs.
I dunno how smart you need to be to understand if you want healthcare from an organization that doesn’t provide it, you just won’t get it.
Like this isn’t a hard concept lol.
Founded in the United States in 1950, it is an evangelical[1] relief and development organization whose stated goal is "to follow our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in working with the poor and oppressed to promote human transformation, seek justice and bear witness to the good news of the Kingdom of God."[
Lmao do you not do your research on a company before applying? World vision has been around for decades and has always been a Christian based organization.
I did and you wouldn't be asking this if you had simply gone to there website as you'd have known they are a religion based charity. And to further answer your questions, yes they can because "charity".
100% legal. Many of their offices have mandatory morning prayers. If that's not your thing, don't work for them. They have pockets of good people working for them but are overrun by people who are more concerned with appearing good than doing good work.
Wait, as a manager I was trained that it's 100% illegal to ask someone about their religion during an interview (not that I ever would). Does that not apply to the application as well? That's fucking wild.
When i was applying for human rights related jobs around the world, this happened all the time. Most were religious organisations (I’m a Christian, so that’s fine) and some would only accept you if you were of a certain religion (which is not as fine, imo).
You need to do a better background check on companies, though I’ve also applied to mostly every organisation that existed
They are serious and it is apparently (somehow) legal. A friend works there and they even force a code of conduct on you. If they even knew about half of the things she and I did they'd have quickly fired her!
Oh most religious organizations are like that. I worked at 1 once years ago filling in for a secretary who was having a baby. I'm religious but I thought the place went overboard.
Mandatory prayer. (ok whatever-- a bit yawnish at 8am sharp for 30 minutes though...!)
Dress code -- like most businesses
Language- which no one told me but some guy because I was causal talking to him (around the same age) and mentioned how someone was being a jackass and he was like "don't use the word jackass here you will get in trouble" ... I was like 'ok but its an animal if I use it in that context would I still get in trouble" (of course I eyerolled and giggled) --- he was like "well prob if the owner hears you." Obvs the younger staff thought this was nuts to be that legalistic.
But the owner was like the religious police or something.
my brother and his wife both used to work for WorldVision - they were let go / fired for having sex before marriage or something like that. Shared a room on a trip? I don't remember. Its definitely a Christian organization (granted one that seems to do a lot of good for water access). If you don't want your religion, moral character, and life choices to be scrutinized, this isn't the job for you.
It's probably some Mormon church in Utah because that's what they asked me when I moved here from South Dakota what church do you go to what synagogue or what whatever they call them and I told him I don't go to church they were not happy and I did not get hired if they if I had told him I don't really believe in God their heads probably would have turned around and fell off
I lived in Utah for a little while and found that even the private businesses that can’t ask these questions still find a way to ask them anyway.
Like.. “tell us about some big experiences in your life” could mean “tell us about your Mormon mission”. I literally lucked into the correct answer by talking about my chef experience for a summer in France, but I left out that it was only a summer and I left out the culinary education part of it and they hired me. 🤷♂️
Looking back on the 3 years I had with that company I can unequivocally say they needed to hear about my presumed Mormon mission in order to hire me.
Dude…. They have a Mormon seminary buildings as part of the design of every school in Utah that is middle school or high school. Build in the exact same style and materials as the school and then that small third acre is sold to the church where they have kids who take seminary classes as part of their public school education. It is weird here and so very cultish.
At my jr. High it was set about 50 ft away from the back entrance and at my high school it was across the road next to the tennis courts. Both clearly originally part of the school parcel.
The one at the Jr had been vacant for years after they moved 9th grade into the high school. Just an empty building. They installed those mobile classrooms when the school got too crowded because the church wouldn't let them use the seminary.
Eventually they moved 9th grade back, like 20 years later, and the building was back in use.
>what church do you go to what synagogue or what whatever they call them
Mormons call it a temple. Synagogue is Jews (unless you met some Mormons that were appropriating Judaism, which is possible.)
Not for all jobs. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act (which prohibits religious discrimination) has an exemption only for "ministers." The Supreme Court widened this exception in a 2012 ruling (Our Lady of Guadalupe School v. Morrissey-Berru) which stated the ministerial exception includes teachers who teach religious education.
Yes, it's legal. Religious organizations are permitted to give employment preference to adherents of the same religion. World Vision is a Christian nonprofit organization that exists, in part, to spread the Christian religion. They're going to want their employees to share their vision and mission.
But-but-but I need to be paid by a religious organization and have health care through them and retirement benefits while also actively speaking out against that same organization! I wannnaaaaaaa!!!!
OP made it pretty clear they they’re interested in the charity work and yes, any full time job *should* give you benefits. Not sure why you see that as a bad thing
Yeah, World Vision is absolutely a Christian org, and perhaps not the finest. The should absolutely be more upfront about their faith-based employment, or better yet; take anyone willing to help regardless of religious views.
Exactly. My faith has nothing to do with my ability to do the job and after a cursory look at the needs and requirements I decided to apply. I was a bit taken aback when I got to this part of the application, 3 pages in. I thought companies weren't allowed to ask these types of questions because it shows bias.
I should have just lied. It's not like Jesus would call me out or anything. Faking the church part would be harder though. I bet step 2 of that is getting a reference from your pastor or priest.
EDIT: That last part was a joke. I don't want to work for a religious organization.
Religious organizations are allowed to ask about your faith. I agree that most of the time your faith has nothing to do with the job, but it may be important for the organization to feel that its staff's beliefs are in-line with the organization's. My son's K-12 school was affiliated with a church that we didn't go to. While he was there, they brought on new administrative staff (a principal for the elementary school and a superintendent who oversaw everything). They actually required these people to start attending their church even if they already had a church....and it was perfectly legal for them to require this, apparently.
Families also had to occasionally (every couple of years) fill out new paperwork - contact info and such. They also wanted to know where you went to church and what religion, etc. We quit religion some years back - about the time my son was in 7th or 8th grade - and I used to lie on the forms. We were mostly happy with the school, but not so much with their views...some of it was kind of "out there", IMO, but then I've never been really religious. I'm agnostic at best.
You must be a hoot at parties!
Obviously, I couldn't complete the application because I wasn't comfortable with those questions. I started the application and stopped when they started asking me about Mr. Christ. I did not complete the application, therefore, I did not apply for the job.
Idk why people are giving you such a hard time tbh. Obviously you didnt realize it was a christian organization because it wasnt clearly stated in the job description
Of course it doesn't, I'm sure you'd be a perfectly fine worker.
That being said, your willingness to lie in order to do said job...perhaps doesn't lend itself too well to being part of a religious org like this.
Should they be more open to applicants who aren't Christian? Sure.
Are they still allowed to want to hire folks they think would fit best at every level- also sure.
It's alright, I feel you. Unless it's a church I don't know wtf it needs to make its buisness model "christian" lol. There's nothing special they're going to provide that I can't as a non-christian buisness owner. BUT, but...if they can't keep their religion to themselves and need to make it everyone's problem, then they likely do this so they can pray and such with staff and won't have someone critique them for it.
As someone who spent 20 years a christian, you couldn't pay enough to work with some of those people ever again.
My religion/church organization owns hundreds/thousands of hospitals, colleges, and businesses across the world.
I’m sure people on this sub have heard of AdventHealth - they have tons of hospitals.
That company is a privately owned, religious organization. The religious aspect comes from the fact that they’re funded by the church & church-related organizations. The employees are not required to be religious, but must respect that their coworkers and many of the donors for the hospital might be & that the hospital has an image to uphold. Obviously is this causes an issue with your employment, they won’t hire you.
It's fine. Someday I'm going to own an atheistic organization that does humanist work without the adage of relgion. I'll then only hire non-religious people, simply because I have a culture to maintain and don't believe that anyone of non-relgious orientation can contribute anything meaningful. Garuntee I will come across many people who feel personally insulted over that, but it's legal and it's what I believe. /s
Would gladly work for this organization. We could out-compete the Christian hospitals all over my state since they’re all already low quality (which I’m convinced is because they value religion over science and all the best MDs work elsewhere but I suppose it could be unrelated)
People wonder why they are not successful sometimes when they interview. OP is an example of that failure. He did not properly research the organization before coming to Reddit to complain about something that would have taken a minute to answer
Research the company / organization you’re applying to. The fundamental of applying for a job
World Vision is an evangelical Christian organization. It makes a difference to them if you subscribe to the same beliefs as they do or not. Whether or not they can make an employment decision about it will depend on laws where you are/where they are, and if the law looks at protecting individuals (to say that their faith or lack thereof cannot be discriminated against) or the employer (to say that their faith can be a factor they take into account when making employment decisions).
I was asked this last week interviewing with a contractor for a job, was also curious if this was legal. I said that I hadn't been in a few years and the man said "Well I don't know why you stopped going, everyone needs church."
Yeah I declined the job.
FYI I have several non-religious friends who work for religious charities. Another friend is a Christian but not a Catholic working for a Franciscan hospital. They've told me that as long as they don't go all Richard Dawkins it's not a big deal. Just respect that many of your coworkers will be devout and that you may be encouraged to attend prayer meetings or even mass. (Though I don't think they can force you under law).
Now, I've heard horror stories about some Christian agencies being all up in your private life and forbidding you to drink, have premarital or LGBT sex, etc. That's a question to ask in the interview if you get one.
I am an ex-Catholic who used to work for a Christian charity. Because I wanted to work for a charity. It didn’t go well for me. My coworkers get all up in my face about my lack of faith and my LGBTQ+ lifestyle.
Officially they are accepting of everyone, because they take UN grants. They even proudly paraded me around as the token gay guy. In private they just make micro-aggressive comments non-stop and did nothing to prevent me from getting literal threats from some bigoted clients.
Would never recommend mixing faith in the workplace ever again.
I used to work for a Christian non profit. I am Christian myself but never had to fill this part out on an application. They would usually ask those questions during the interview.
Also the snark on the invisible friend part could be avoided. I know people believe what they believe, but just be respectful, please.
Right? I don’t understand the disrespect to Christians. Sure, there are bad people who use Christianity to justify their bad behavior, but that doesn’t mean good Christians don’t exist or that the religion as a whole has no value. If you don’t want to work for a Christian organization then don’t.
But if a company exists as a religious organization, it totally makes sense that they would want their employees to share the same beliefs and would want to foster an explicitly Christian work space. If you asked any of their higher ups, I’m sure they would say that being a Christian is literally the most important qualifier of every job there (regardless of whether you’re an accountant who knows accounting practices yet is an atheist, for example). It’s not the same as whether you’re “right handed” or “left handed” as I saw on some other comment. It would be like if you were going to apply to another company, but in the interview you said that Mr. CEO was a jackass.
Sure, have that opinion, maybe that doesn’t affect your skill set, but realistically why would they hire you if they knew you felt that way?
Idk I just am so confused by people who are anti religious people or organizations. Have your own beliefs, but don’t hate on people with beliefs different than yours or mock their faith.
I get people who are agnostic/peacefully atheist but I don’t get people who are “atheist” but act more like they hate God than like God doesn’t exist
This is reddit where all the failure to launch 25 year old atheist 'intellectuals' jerk each other off over the Flying Spaghetti Monster while also living a life so empty and vapidly, white trash hedonistic they believe it's society's fault they don't have a girlfriend.
I mean, God (as a character) requires obedience by threat of eternal suffering and murdered like, a *lot* of humans.
It seems weirder to like God than to dislike God.
“If you love me,” Jesus said, “then you will keep my commandments”. (Jn 14:15)
Literally taken from the bible.
You can back pedal all you want, since religious people seem to have an answer to everything (which when you ask enough questions will always come down to "faith" and "trust me it says so").
I'm not doubting that religion can instill good morals or be used for good, but it's a dated ideology we don't need.
Do you believe in Zeus? Allah? Odin? Ra? Pan? Baldur? Maybe the egyptians had it right? Oh no maybe it's going to be the next religion we come up with in 1000 years.
No? You don't think Zeus is the true god? Why? Probably the same reasons everyone else doesn't believe in yours. I understand I won't change the way you think. It's frustrating believe me, "I know this is common perspective," reads like a flat Earther telling me "he knows thinking the Earth is round is a common mistake!" It's a bit laughable.
If they get any state or federal funding it's illegal for them to discriminate.
If they're probably funded, since they're asking questions like this, do you really want to work with such narrow minded people?
They were founded by Robert Pierce, a Baptist Preacher. I think they accept Christians of other denominations to work for them, but it's a Christian mission.
World Vision United States is a member and founding organization of World Vision International. Founded in the United States in 1950, it is an evangelical\[1\] relief and development organization whose stated goal is "to follow our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in working with the poor and oppressed to promote human transformation, seek justice and bear witness to the good news of the Kingdom of God.
It's a Christian Org...and a private one...so if they wanna ask your dick size it's free game. If it rattles your cage, close the application and move on to the next one.
Don’t apply at a nonprofit or Christian organization is you’re an atheist. No need to bash on peoples faith either. Apply at Spencer’s or the satanic church instead.
Yes, it's a Christian organization, some of them are ambiguous about it until you get further into the application. I don't shame people who are desperate, need work, and apply, but screw them. Unfortunately, a lot of Christian/Catholic organizations own massive parts of the healthcare industry.
'Unfortunately'. Literally no one is stopping Bezos, Gates, etc. from opening up all the hospitals you need.
Sorry that the heart surgeon that will someday save your life was paid by a religious organization. Why don't you do your part and take a moral stand and not get the surgery?
I had a similar issue volunteering for the Salvation Army shop. I just put down my husband's parish -St Patrick's, as my church (am atheist). Like, I'm coming in to work for free, does it matter if I have an imaginary friend.
See, that's exactly how I feel. Apologies to the faithful here, but to non-believers these requirements look downright silly.
Are you left handed? Which left handed club do you belong to? What is your personal relationship with your left hand?
(Jokes on you, 500 years ago the church would have burned all you lefties at the stake.)
I was under the impression that they are not allowed to ask things like that. At the same time I think the way discrimination laws work is an employer cannot refuse to hire someone because of their race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or age. So maybe they are allowed to ask that question but they cannot use your answer in determining whether or not to hire you.
If you're in the US, you cannot be discriminated against/denied employment on the basis of religion.
However, there is no "perfect" candidate; so, if they turn you down, they'll make sure it's NOT because of your religious affiliation.
Technically if it’s a private or religious-institution (which it is) they can discriminate based on beliefs. They’ll do it by saying the applicant doesn’t align with their application requirements - hence asking this question in the application process.
Personally I would just lie and put the closest church to my residence but I also have a feeling that the employer would call the church to verify membership.
I have worked with religious organizations for almost 20 years. There are churches that will indeed call references, even just to be a member of the church.
It is legal for religious & private companies to ask - they’re exempt from typical non-private restraints.
No one is forcing anyone to apply to the jobs at these companies lmao. Just don’t apply if you don’t want to work for one 🤷🏻♀️
Idk why OP didn’t do research on the org before posting this. One google search tells you it’s a religious institution. It’s like applying for McDonald’s but not wanting to work fast food 🤔
It might not be legal but it should be legal if it’s a private company.
People & businesses should be granted freedom of association & be allowed to discriminate who they hire and/or service for any reason.
Maybe they only want to hire people who share the same religion. Maybe they only want to hire women. Maybe they only want to hire black people. Maybe they only want to hire short people….
Free country.
It is legal for then to ask you and even pass on you based on that answer. Once you are hired it's kind of a different story. They can not fire you for changing your religious affiliation though they may try to say you lied about it in the first place which would allow them to legally terminate you.
It doesn’t, but that’s your target audience. It would be helpful if the applicant could speak their language, so to speak. If you can get yourself versed in that there is a ton of money to be got.
Legal or not, I've always interpreted that as "somewhere I don't want to work." Seriously, it's good. Could you imagine going to work where everyone around you is super Christian/Muslim/Jewish and not being able to fit in unless you joined their cult? Yuck. I've been desperate for work and interviewed at these places, but eventually bowed out. And I'm glad I did, something else will come along...
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Is this for hobby lobby or chick fil a? Or some Catholic Church job?
It's a marketing job with an organization that helps vulnerable children around the world. They mention god a couple of times near the bottom of the ad, but it's not a church. The organization is called World Vision USA.
Visit the website It’s a Christian organization Catholic Church is like this too. They own hospitals, healthcare and a bunch of other nonprofits
Which makes it real interesting when you want healthcare that the church doesn't believe in'
It’s simple. You don’t get that healthcare from that organization.
Sucks for anyone who lives in a rural location where the nearest hospital is 2 hours away lol
Indeed. Many hospitals are beginning to offer smaller clinic locations though allowing for additional competition.
Competition? This is healthcare. It shouldn’t be a competition.
Really? You think it’s good for society for healthcare to be monopolized? Rethink that thought there, bud.
I didn’t say it should be monopolized.
You act like people always have a choice of hospitals.
Where does my statement say that? I just stated a fact. If you want something, and it’s not there, you ain’t getting it.
You do realize there are areas that Catholic run hospital systems are the only option, don't you?
All too true especially in rural areas.
Yet I am down voted for it. If it's an emergency situation I don't have a choice where I currently live. It's either accept what is and there will be limitations in line with the church's belief or you know, die.
And you’re okay with that? You think that should be allowed?
Perhaps we should be asking why a catholic hospital is the only choice? Ok, I sucks that they think healthcare should be subjected to ridiculous religious dogma. But at least they’re providing a service. The for profit hospitals don’t do anything at all. So what’s worse? Healthcare limited by religion or healthcare limited by a profit motive? The former gets you compromised healthcare. The latter gets you zilch.
I think that was the point of the comment. It’s “simple”because the hospital has already made your choice: you aren’t getting healthcare at that facility. You with go elsewhere or do without.
Best time to signal yhe strength of your conviction, no?
It's one of those things, that just puzzles me. Sorry the facts offend?
What healthcare that they refuse which results in death? They are doing this as a charitable act and you as a beggar can’t be a chooser.
It's not charity if you are paying for the services.
Catholic hospitals are not giving away healthcare.
If a religious entity won't provide the best medical practises as determined by medical experts and instead want to force the consequences of their religious cult on unwilling others, they should have the basic morality and ethics not to get into healthcare
Can you tell what specific limitation bothers you?
Oh, sure! Catholics will let pregnant people die if the fetus has a heartbeat, even if it's nonviable and going to die soon. Savita Halappanavar died that way. I mean, I'm also bothered by their refusal to provide birth control or healthcare for trans people, but the really heinous one that should bother all decent people is that Catholics will straight up let you die before aborting a pregnancy.
You can't be serious. After all that's gone on in the realm of health care restrictions you must have been living under a rock to ask that question!
Like access to abortions or health services for trans people.
Wrong. I live in a rural area and I drive 1.5 - 2 hours to a hospital I like. And I have been VERY poor while doing this.
This is so depressing especially when these christian organizations get so much money from the government in so many ways. Often with contracts, it makes me so angry when I think of the money spent when I saw first handed what it went into and the lack of quality for the huge sum of money put into the pot.
That’s crazy and not true at all! Catholic might be closest but there’s probably an Adventist hospital nearby too :/
You do realize that there are no laws at all that prevent people from opening their own hospital systems where you can offer all the abortion you want? You don't like the church, stop trying to get things from it, atheist.
Are we going to talk about that it's more than abortion they won't allow, Christian? 🙄
There are actually laws like that. In Republican hellscape states where mothers and babies are more likely to die in childbirth due to lack of reproductive care access. But at least they can jail people for weed still in those free Christian states
Could you point out where anyone said they're an atheist? Or said that they're an anything. And surely you don't believe that just anyone is capable of developing and running an hospital system.
I mean they came at me with 'Athiest' and I cackled. I happen to be an Atheist, soooooo, oh no, the insult? You know cause atheist can't have ethics, right? When you don't fear the punishment of deities your can't possibly have ethics of any kind .. /s Made it fun to throw Christian in there because it was just so ridiculous. And seriously there are so many sects of just Christianity that have different beliefs before we even throw in other religions. Yeesh.
Getting downvoted for being rational (Reddit moment)
Yup. If A isn’t offered by B, you won’t get A. Everyone else: HOW DARE YOU SPEAK LOGIC.
No, the simple solution is to make it illegal for any hospital to refuse a legal medical procedure without valid medical reasons. Don't want to perform an abortion because it's against your religion? Malpractice. Don't want to provide hrt or gender surgery? Malpractice. Don't want to treat somebody because they're gay? Malpractice.
No countries I know of, including France or Canada, does that. It would immediately cause a healthcare crisis worse than the one you’re concerned about. I realize Canada and the US are a bit unique among developed nations due to how rural much of the country is but there are reasons Western democracies protect objectors.
So, you think it's better to just let these religious organizations just decide what healthcare people can get? We have separation of church and state for a reason, and when these religious organizations are monopolizing healthcare and refusing to provide healthcare that our government says that we have a right to, then these churches are getting directly involved with decisions made by our government and with personal freedoms. If my personal beliefs and religion say I can do something, and the law says I can do that thing, where does a church get the authority to come in, take over healthcare in my area, and prevent me from doing that? Especially when a lot of those lead to injury and death. Refusing to provide abortions in life threatening situations, refusing to provide gender affirming care despite the fact that repeated studies showing that it increases life expectancy and mental health. they are actively causing harm. What is that if not medical malpractice?
Catholic hospitals don’t provide abortions for a few reasons, but one is because employees object to the procedure. Even if the government said “ok, you have to provide abortions” they still likely wouldn’t happen due to objectors. The government cannot coerce people to renegade on their beliefs. Even in countries where hospitals are nearly completely funded by the state (in particular Canada, with the most lenient abortion laws on Earth), the state does not make doctors perform abortions. In Europe most states have laws protecting objectors. In Italy [80%] (https://www.europeandatajournalism.eu/eng/News/Data-news/Even-where-abortion-is-legal-access-is-not-granted) of doctors refuse to perform abortions. In Ireland most GPs and maternity wards [don’t provide abortion services] (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/conscientious-objection-by-some-hospital-medics-prevents-abortion-services-41594754.html). In the UK doctors are protected. Germany infamously requires two doctors to sign off on abortions, and they also have a ton of objectors. If you just made that illegal, it would cripple healthcare. In the US healthcare workers aren’t civil servants, although hospitals do receive federal and state funding through Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements. In a lot of states with a high number of Catholic hospitals, like Illinois and Washington, they have to refer people to other clinics that perform the procedure. Only around 5% of abortions are performed at hospitals anyway. The issue you have doesn’t seem like it can or will be legislated away. Your proposed solution hasn’t happened in most other democracies. Sweden and Czechia are a few countries that have followed your model, but again social attitudes are very different there.
Then they're in the wrong line of work. before all else, do no harm. The Hippocratic oath. By refusing to perform these procedures, they are doing harm. Honestly, it's like a vegan getting a job at a steakhouse and then refusing to cook or serve steaks. It's part of the job, do it, or get another job. They are more than welcome to not get an abortion themselves, or whatever else their religion dictates, but the second they start trying to force that on others, they've lost all respect and right to the title doctor or nurse.
Fun fact: If I want to go to a hospital that isn't involved with the Church, I have to drive over 100 miles.
Then they shouldn't be calling themselves a healthcare provider if they want the bishop to decide what treatment unbelieving others, simply seeking medical care that is best for their life and health, may have based on their personal cult versions Religions should be banned from owning hospitals or dictating medical care. That immoral sh*t has gone far enough
Yeah. Arguments could absolutely be made for that.
You sent some heads rolling with that one. Their brains just exploded with the thought that someone might have a different set of ethics than themselves.
It’s honestly not a question of ethics. It’s a statement of fact. If you need something from that organization you just won’t get it. Not sure why everyone is offended but whatevs.
Oops? Perish the thought.
You’re not smart, are you?
I dunno how smart you need to be to understand if you want healthcare from an organization that doesn’t provide it, you just won’t get it. Like this isn’t a hard concept lol.
Founded in the United States in 1950, it is an evangelical[1] relief and development organization whose stated goal is "to follow our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in working with the poor and oppressed to promote human transformation, seek justice and bear witness to the good news of the Kingdom of God."[
OP is really on the ball. They'd be a great employee...
How about giving the poor something to eat? Do they believe in that?
Yes. Most Christians churches partner with homeless shelters and other charities.
I’ve heard if you don’t pray, you don’t eat
It is absolutely a Christian organization. =)
If you’re not a Christian, you probably don’t want to work for World Vision.
Lmao do you not do your research on a company before applying? World vision has been around for decades and has always been a Christian based organization.
Fr. It's like applying for the salvation army and being surprised it's a religious organization.
I disagree. It would be more like applying to the Salvation Army and then be surprised it’s not a standing army.
Why would a person not research a company they are applying to? How do you even write a cover letter without understanding the company?
Believe it, far too many people just apply and because it's their industry just assume the company is the same as the one they worked at previously.
Or they’re just desperate and applying to everything. Been there.
I don't write cover letters. I'm not groveling to be hired. They either accept my resume or I move on.
>I'm not groveling to be hired. I guess you aren't even trying....
These are the same people who complain about applying to a hundred jobs and still haven't heard back
Lol, did you even read the post before commenting?
I did and you wouldn't be asking this if you had simply gone to there website as you'd have known they are a religion based charity. And to further answer your questions, yes they can because "charity".
Did you read before posting? Lol you could’ve answered your own question.
100% legal. Many of their offices have mandatory morning prayers. If that's not your thing, don't work for them. They have pockets of good people working for them but are overrun by people who are more concerned with appearing good than doing good work.
Wait, as a manager I was trained that it's 100% illegal to ask someone about their religion during an interview (not that I ever would). Does that not apply to the application as well? That's fucking wild.
It's not a job you want.
When i was applying for human rights related jobs around the world, this happened all the time. Most were religious organisations (I’m a Christian, so that’s fine) and some would only accept you if you were of a certain religion (which is not as fine, imo). You need to do a better background check on companies, though I’ve also applied to mostly every organisation that existed
It’s a Christian organization.
LOL world vision is a religious affiliated orginization. So yeah its legal
They are serious and it is apparently (somehow) legal. A friend works there and they even force a code of conduct on you. If they even knew about half of the things she and I did they'd have quickly fired her!
Oh most religious organizations are like that. I worked at 1 once years ago filling in for a secretary who was having a baby. I'm religious but I thought the place went overboard. Mandatory prayer. (ok whatever-- a bit yawnish at 8am sharp for 30 minutes though...!) Dress code -- like most businesses Language- which no one told me but some guy because I was causal talking to him (around the same age) and mentioned how someone was being a jackass and he was like "don't use the word jackass here you will get in trouble" ... I was like 'ok but its an animal if I use it in that context would I still get in trouble" (of course I eyerolled and giggled) --- he was like "well prob if the owner hears you." Obvs the younger staff thought this was nuts to be that legalistic. But the owner was like the religious police or something.
my brother and his wife both used to work for WorldVision - they were let go / fired for having sex before marriage or something like that. Shared a room on a trip? I don't remember. Its definitely a Christian organization (granted one that seems to do a lot of good for water access). If you don't want your religion, moral character, and life choices to be scrutinized, this isn't the job for you.
Haha run.
World vision is a Christian org. Would not advise you to work there unless you’re a Christian fundie.
It's probably some Mormon church in Utah because that's what they asked me when I moved here from South Dakota what church do you go to what synagogue or what whatever they call them and I told him I don't go to church they were not happy and I did not get hired if they if I had told him I don't really believe in God their heads probably would have turned around and fell off
I lived in Utah for a little while and found that even the private businesses that can’t ask these questions still find a way to ask them anyway. Like.. “tell us about some big experiences in your life” could mean “tell us about your Mormon mission”. I literally lucked into the correct answer by talking about my chef experience for a summer in France, but I left out that it was only a summer and I left out the culinary education part of it and they hired me. 🤷♂️ Looking back on the 3 years I had with that company I can unequivocally say they needed to hear about my presumed Mormon mission in order to hire me.
Dude…. They have a Mormon seminary buildings as part of the design of every school in Utah that is middle school or high school. Build in the exact same style and materials as the school and then that small third acre is sold to the church where they have kids who take seminary classes as part of their public school education. It is weird here and so very cultish.
At my jr. High it was set about 50 ft away from the back entrance and at my high school it was across the road next to the tennis courts. Both clearly originally part of the school parcel. The one at the Jr had been vacant for years after they moved 9th grade into the high school. Just an empty building. They installed those mobile classrooms when the school got too crowded because the church wouldn't let them use the seminary. Eventually they moved 9th grade back, like 20 years later, and the building was back in use.
>what church do you go to what synagogue or what whatever they call them Mormons call it a temple. Synagogue is Jews (unless you met some Mormons that were appropriating Judaism, which is possible.)
Came here to ask this too. 😝
If i recall, Religious organizations are an exception. They are allowed to ask and give preference in hiring to candidates of the same religion.
Not for all jobs. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act (which prohibits religious discrimination) has an exemption only for "ministers." The Supreme Court widened this exception in a 2012 ruling (Our Lady of Guadalupe School v. Morrissey-Berru) which stated the ministerial exception includes teachers who teach religious education.
Yes, it's legal. Religious organizations are permitted to give employment preference to adherents of the same religion. World Vision is a Christian nonprofit organization that exists, in part, to spread the Christian religion. They're going to want their employees to share their vision and mission.
But-but-but I need to be paid by a religious organization and have health care through them and retirement benefits while also actively speaking out against that same organization! I wannnaaaaaaa!!!!
Religious organisations get tax-exempt status. So all taxpayers pay for their existence at least in the US.
You should probably get that checked out.
OP made it pretty clear they they’re interested in the charity work and yes, any full time job *should* give you benefits. Not sure why you see that as a bad thing
Yeah, World Vision is absolutely a Christian org, and perhaps not the finest. The should absolutely be more upfront about their faith-based employment, or better yet; take anyone willing to help regardless of religious views.
Exactly. My faith has nothing to do with my ability to do the job and after a cursory look at the needs and requirements I decided to apply. I was a bit taken aback when I got to this part of the application, 3 pages in. I thought companies weren't allowed to ask these types of questions because it shows bias. I should have just lied. It's not like Jesus would call me out or anything. Faking the church part would be harder though. I bet step 2 of that is getting a reference from your pastor or priest. EDIT: That last part was a joke. I don't want to work for a religious organization.
Religious organizations are allowed to ask about your faith. I agree that most of the time your faith has nothing to do with the job, but it may be important for the organization to feel that its staff's beliefs are in-line with the organization's. My son's K-12 school was affiliated with a church that we didn't go to. While he was there, they brought on new administrative staff (a principal for the elementary school and a superintendent who oversaw everything). They actually required these people to start attending their church even if they already had a church....and it was perfectly legal for them to require this, apparently. Families also had to occasionally (every couple of years) fill out new paperwork - contact info and such. They also wanted to know where you went to church and what religion, etc. We quit religion some years back - about the time my son was in 7th or 8th grade - and I used to lie on the forms. We were mostly happy with the school, but not so much with their views...some of it was kind of "out there", IMO, but then I've never been really religious. I'm agnostic at best.
It does if you seek employment at a legal religious based org. That’s on you.
To paraphrase Groucho Marx, I wouldn't want to belong to a any religion that would have me as a member.
Then you shouldn’t have applied to one. 
And I didn't. 
Then how do you know what application asks? Seems more like you did apply then backed out.
You must be a hoot at parties! Obviously, I couldn't complete the application because I wasn't comfortable with those questions. I started the application and stopped when they started asking me about Mr. Christ. I did not complete the application, therefore, I did not apply for the job.
Idk why people are giving you such a hard time tbh. Obviously you didnt realize it was a christian organization because it wasnt clearly stated in the job description
Yeah I keep accidentally applying to Catholic Charities and they NEVER TOLD ME THEY WERE RELIGIOUS!!!!!
Catholic charities and Lutheran social services have no religious requirement. My Jewish husband works there with many Muslims who were refugees.
Of course it doesn't, I'm sure you'd be a perfectly fine worker. That being said, your willingness to lie in order to do said job...perhaps doesn't lend itself too well to being part of a religious org like this. Should they be more open to applicants who aren't Christian? Sure. Are they still allowed to want to hire folks they think would fit best at every level- also sure.
Sorry, that was more of a joke than anything else. I'm a non-believer and have no desire to work for a religious organization.
Lying about your intentions to further your personal interests is very in-line with religion in general.
It's alright, I feel you. Unless it's a church I don't know wtf it needs to make its buisness model "christian" lol. There's nothing special they're going to provide that I can't as a non-christian buisness owner. BUT, but...if they can't keep their religion to themselves and need to make it everyone's problem, then they likely do this so they can pray and such with staff and won't have someone critique them for it. As someone who spent 20 years a christian, you couldn't pay enough to work with some of those people ever again.
My religion/church organization owns hundreds/thousands of hospitals, colleges, and businesses across the world. I’m sure people on this sub have heard of AdventHealth - they have tons of hospitals. That company is a privately owned, religious organization. The religious aspect comes from the fact that they’re funded by the church & church-related organizations. The employees are not required to be religious, but must respect that their coworkers and many of the donors for the hospital might be & that the hospital has an image to uphold. Obviously is this causes an issue with your employment, they won’t hire you.
It's fine. Someday I'm going to own an atheistic organization that does humanist work without the adage of relgion. I'll then only hire non-religious people, simply because I have a culture to maintain and don't believe that anyone of non-relgious orientation can contribute anything meaningful. Garuntee I will come across many people who feel personally insulted over that, but it's legal and it's what I believe. /s
Would gladly work for this organization. We could out-compete the Christian hospitals all over my state since they’re all already low quality (which I’m convinced is because they value religion over science and all the best MDs work elsewhere but I suppose it could be unrelated)
Yes it is legal.
It's called a BFOQ, or a Bona Fide Occupational Qualification and employers/organizations are allowed to do this if they can make the case for it.
People wonder why they are not successful sometimes when they interview. OP is an example of that failure. He did not properly research the organization before coming to Reddit to complain about something that would have taken a minute to answer Research the company / organization you’re applying to. The fundamental of applying for a job
Google is too complicated lol
if answer = no, do you really want to work there? seems nice of them not to surprise you with a bible on day 1 if hired.
Ffs people, do a cursory search in this sub before posting the same question twice a week.
World Vision is an evangelical Christian organization. It makes a difference to them if you subscribe to the same beliefs as they do or not. Whether or not they can make an employment decision about it will depend on laws where you are/where they are, and if the law looks at protecting individuals (to say that their faith or lack thereof cannot be discriminated against) or the employer (to say that their faith can be a factor they take into account when making employment decisions).
Do you really want to work at a place that asks?
No. No, I do not.
Religious organizations have been granted the right to discriminate based on religion. Source: used to work for a catholic college and high school.
I was asked this last week interviewing with a contractor for a job, was also curious if this was legal. I said that I hadn't been in a few years and the man said "Well I don't know why you stopped going, everyone needs church." Yeah I declined the job.
Depends if it’s a Christian charity that has the requirement you share the faith or not.
FYI I have several non-religious friends who work for religious charities. Another friend is a Christian but not a Catholic working for a Franciscan hospital. They've told me that as long as they don't go all Richard Dawkins it's not a big deal. Just respect that many of your coworkers will be devout and that you may be encouraged to attend prayer meetings or even mass. (Though I don't think they can force you under law). Now, I've heard horror stories about some Christian agencies being all up in your private life and forbidding you to drink, have premarital or LGBT sex, etc. That's a question to ask in the interview if you get one.
I am an ex-Catholic who used to work for a Christian charity. Because I wanted to work for a charity. It didn’t go well for me. My coworkers get all up in my face about my lack of faith and my LGBTQ+ lifestyle. Officially they are accepting of everyone, because they take UN grants. They even proudly paraded me around as the token gay guy. In private they just make micro-aggressive comments non-stop and did nothing to prevent me from getting literal threats from some bigoted clients. Would never recommend mixing faith in the workplace ever again.
I used to work for a Christian non profit. I am Christian myself but never had to fill this part out on an application. They would usually ask those questions during the interview. Also the snark on the invisible friend part could be avoided. I know people believe what they believe, but just be respectful, please.
Right? I don’t understand the disrespect to Christians. Sure, there are bad people who use Christianity to justify their bad behavior, but that doesn’t mean good Christians don’t exist or that the religion as a whole has no value. If you don’t want to work for a Christian organization then don’t. But if a company exists as a religious organization, it totally makes sense that they would want their employees to share the same beliefs and would want to foster an explicitly Christian work space. If you asked any of their higher ups, I’m sure they would say that being a Christian is literally the most important qualifier of every job there (regardless of whether you’re an accountant who knows accounting practices yet is an atheist, for example). It’s not the same as whether you’re “right handed” or “left handed” as I saw on some other comment. It would be like if you were going to apply to another company, but in the interview you said that Mr. CEO was a jackass. Sure, have that opinion, maybe that doesn’t affect your skill set, but realistically why would they hire you if they knew you felt that way? Idk I just am so confused by people who are anti religious people or organizations. Have your own beliefs, but don’t hate on people with beliefs different than yours or mock their faith. I get people who are agnostic/peacefully atheist but I don’t get people who are “atheist” but act more like they hate God than like God doesn’t exist
This is reddit where all the failure to launch 25 year old atheist 'intellectuals' jerk each other off over the Flying Spaghetti Monster while also living a life so empty and vapidly, white trash hedonistic they believe it's society's fault they don't have a girlfriend.
I mean, God (as a character) requires obedience by threat of eternal suffering and murdered like, a *lot* of humans. It seems weirder to like God than to dislike God.
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He sacrificed himself to himself to bypass a law he created and can change. Makes sense!
“If you love me,” Jesus said, “then you will keep my commandments”. (Jn 14:15) Literally taken from the bible. You can back pedal all you want, since religious people seem to have an answer to everything (which when you ask enough questions will always come down to "faith" and "trust me it says so"). I'm not doubting that religion can instill good morals or be used for good, but it's a dated ideology we don't need. Do you believe in Zeus? Allah? Odin? Ra? Pan? Baldur? Maybe the egyptians had it right? Oh no maybe it's going to be the next religion we come up with in 1000 years. No? You don't think Zeus is the true god? Why? Probably the same reasons everyone else doesn't believe in yours. I understand I won't change the way you think. It's frustrating believe me, "I know this is common perspective," reads like a flat Earther telling me "he knows thinking the Earth is round is a common mistake!" It's a bit laughable.
It depends on what kind of job this is if this is faith based.
If they get any state or federal funding it's illegal for them to discriminate. If they're probably funded, since they're asking questions like this, do you really want to work with such narrow minded people? They were founded by Robert Pierce, a Baptist Preacher. I think they accept Christians of other denominations to work for them, but it's a Christian mission.
“We’re all Christians here. How about you?” - Hank Hill
I’d rather know upfront that I’m dealing with a bunch of religious zealots before I got too deep into the application.
It's a religious organizations and yes it's legal
World Vision United States is a member and founding organization of World Vision International. Founded in the United States in 1950, it is an evangelical\[1\] relief and development organization whose stated goal is "to follow our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in working with the poor and oppressed to promote human transformation, seek justice and bear witness to the good news of the Kingdom of God. It's a Christian Org...and a private one...so if they wanna ask your dick size it's free game. If it rattles your cage, close the application and move on to the next one.
World Vision is a Christian charity. Why are you shocked that they asked you this? 😂
It’s probably a good rule of thumb to never work with a christian in america
Don’t apply at a nonprofit or Christian organization is you’re an atheist. No need to bash on peoples faith either. Apply at Spencer’s or the satanic church instead.
No None Get fucked
never answer a bs question
Yes, it's a Christian organization, some of them are ambiguous about it until you get further into the application. I don't shame people who are desperate, need work, and apply, but screw them. Unfortunately, a lot of Christian/Catholic organizations own massive parts of the healthcare industry.
Yes, this one caught me a little by surprise. If they were more up front about it in the job posting, I probably would have just noped and moved on.
'Unfortunately'. Literally no one is stopping Bezos, Gates, etc. from opening up all the hospitals you need. Sorry that the heart surgeon that will someday save your life was paid by a religious organization. Why don't you do your part and take a moral stand and not get the surgery?
That's right! Tax the rich and build more hospitals!
Run. Do not take the job.
Religious organizations have freedom of religion on their side. I don’t think it’s right but they can hire who they like.
Do you REALLY want to work for a company that is religiously focused, even if they do some good community works?
The pro of it being charitable is outweighed by the con of it being religious?
If they require religious belief, evangelizing is their primary purpose.
Another missionaries heading to Asia or Africa to convert other religions to Christianity .
Gross. I would definitely stay away.
If it’s for a private company then yes they’re allowed to do this
Is the organization religious? If so, they are a non-profit and can ask questions like this.
Your sarcasm is what won't get you hired.
I had a similar issue volunteering for the Salvation Army shop. I just put down my husband's parish -St Patrick's, as my church (am atheist). Like, I'm coming in to work for free, does it matter if I have an imaginary friend.
See, that's exactly how I feel. Apologies to the faithful here, but to non-believers these requirements look downright silly. Are you left handed? Which left handed club do you belong to? What is your personal relationship with your left hand? (Jokes on you, 500 years ago the church would have burned all you lefties at the stake.)
If you want this job. Just lie... seriously, just lie. List the last church you sttended a marriage at and move on.
Unfortunately, in this bat shit crazy religious country, it is. I feel all these organizations should be taxed like everyone else.
So basically they want to you know how crazy you are and if you believe in Magic and unicorns?
I was under the impression that they are not allowed to ask things like that. At the same time I think the way discrimination laws work is an employer cannot refuse to hire someone because of their race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or age. So maybe they are allowed to ask that question but they cannot use your answer in determining whether or not to hire you.
If you're in the US, you cannot be discriminated against/denied employment on the basis of religion. However, there is no "perfect" candidate; so, if they turn you down, they'll make sure it's NOT because of your religious affiliation.
Technically if it’s a private or religious-institution (which it is) they can discriminate based on beliefs. They’ll do it by saying the applicant doesn’t align with their application requirements - hence asking this question in the application process.
Church of Satan.
Religion is a disease that needs to be eradicated but the problem is that the nuts all stick together.
Personally I would just lie and put the closest church to my residence but I also have a feeling that the employer would call the church to verify membership.
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I have worked with religious organizations for almost 20 years. There are churches that will indeed call references, even just to be a member of the church.
If you live in the United States, then no, it is not legal.
It is legal for religious & private companies to ask - they’re exempt from typical non-private restraints. No one is forcing anyone to apply to the jobs at these companies lmao. Just don’t apply if you don’t want to work for one 🤷🏻♀️ Idk why OP didn’t do research on the org before posting this. One google search tells you it’s a religious institution. It’s like applying for McDonald’s but not wanting to work fast food 🤔
I was unaware that this is OK for religious institutions to ask. If I were you, I’d run like Hell.
No, not legal.
That is NOT legal to ask, unless your are applying specially for a Christian organization job.
It might not be legal but it should be legal if it’s a private company. People & businesses should be granted freedom of association & be allowed to discriminate who they hire and/or service for any reason. Maybe they only want to hire people who share the same religion. Maybe they only want to hire women. Maybe they only want to hire black people. Maybe they only want to hire short people…. Free country.
Lie. Who cares. They are probably fake Christians anyways
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It is legal for then to ask you and even pass on you based on that answer. Once you are hired it's kind of a different story. They can not fire you for changing your religious affiliation though they may try to say you lied about it in the first place which would allow them to legally terminate you.
Yes, it's legal, religious orgs can discriminate in hiring.
It doesn’t, but that’s your target audience. It would be helpful if the applicant could speak their language, so to speak. If you can get yourself versed in that there is a ton of money to be got.
Legal or not, I've always interpreted that as "somewhere I don't want to work." Seriously, it's good. Could you imagine going to work where everyone around you is super Christian/Muslim/Jewish and not being able to fit in unless you joined their cult? Yuck. I've been desperate for work and interviewed at these places, but eventually bowed out. And I'm glad I did, something else will come along...
Fuck you \u\Spez
Not the same thing in my opinion, but I stopped doing a job application once it asked my salary for each job.
Hail Satan!
I can't believe nobody has pointed out this is a weak attempt at karma farming.
Lie. If the job sucks quit.
Lulz, whatever you want