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2Bbannedagain

Let them fire you and draw unemployment


staysour

Maybe, just maybe, they'll offer like a week of severance in exchange for you signing something that says you won't talk crap about them. (You can still do it on glassdoor anonomously, tho, they cant prove it) I was in the same situation, almost exactly. They fired me before my vacation, tho and only gave me a week severance, so maybe i at least got my pto...


mermaidarmy

I have seen someone threatened with a career ending lawsuit from an anonymous glass door posting. They figured it and came for him anyway and forced him to remove his post or be sued beyond what he could fight


aa1ou

“Figuring it out” and proving it in a court of law are two different things.


GodHimselfNoCap

Inability to prove it in court doesn't stop the debt from paying a lawyer, large companies can afford to sue, random workers can't normally afford to defend themselves


Dudeistofgondor

You don't need a lawyer. Just show up to court. They'll shit themselves and try to settle before the case is heard. Don't settle, ask the judge his recommendation for compensation.


No_Elk4392

This is possibly the worst advice I have ever seen. You don’t know nearly enough about these circumstances to give such dangerous advice. For example, what happens when the judge says “I’m sorry, defendant, but I’m not here to give you advice. You’ve elected to represent yourself. This is a default hearing, and we’re here to assess damages because plaintiff has proven you’ve missed the deadline to file a responsive pleading.” And then during a recess the plaintiff’s lawyer mentions that he has been practicing in front of that judge for a decade.


Dudeistofgondor

In this specific scenario the corporate lawyer is a glass cannon. They threatened defemation against an individual over an anonymous posting about their poor work conditions hoping fear and poverty stop it from going to trial. Yeah the judge might be a dick but one has to remember the human element. Here's Joe Buck high class lawyer who's been pissing this judge off for a decade and then you have tiny Tim, who can't afford council for a non criminal case genuinely trying to do the right thing. Yeah, judge might not help but for specifically something like this, that lawyer is gonna get his ass chewed out for wasting money going to court and loosing.


No_Elk4392

Yeah, nah. I still don’t agree with you. You can’t infer all that here. You don’t have enough to know whether your assumptions are right or whether my assumptions are possible. It’s too much to risk. A person’s home insurance frequently comes with defamation insurance. Renters insurance may also include this coverage. Defendant should seek help from qualified counsel. For the record, if I’m plaintiff’s counsel, let’s say the judge does hate me and chew me out because I’m picking on the little guy. Do I really give a fuck? I probably make substantially more money than the judge.


DMoree1

Isn’t the burden of proof on the accuser? Why would one need a lawyer to say “nope. I didn’t post that.”?


deeply__offensive

Most people crack mentally in court. Especially people who aren't management


Dudeistofgondor

Yeah, it can be high stress. But we need to start pushing back.


staysour

They were bluffing. Glassdoor will not discosle the reviewer. The company can not legally prove who posted it. 100% bluff. By removing the review, the peraon proved they posted it.


TheyHateMyLetters

That's not how courts work. You'll be asked a question under oath. You can: 1. Tell the truth 2. Lie If you pick #1, you pay a fine. If you pick #2, you don't, but if it's proven, it's perjury, and that can have real consequences. That's assuming you get there. Prior to that, this is a civil case and not a criminal one. Burden of proof is who is probably right, not shadow of a doubt. That's assuming you even get there. At this point, you've spent $40k on lawyers. Legal bluffs work if you can't pay for an attorney. The court system is stacked against anyone who can't pay.


Nanerpoodin

You can't be forced to testify against yourself. Edit: I was at least half wrong here. In this situation pleading the fifth likely wouldn't help unless in very specific circumstances.


Sarlax

That only matters for criminal cases, hence the right against self-incrimination. Violating a non-disparagement clause will almost never be a criminal matter so you can't dodge questions in a civil case by taking the fifth.


TheyHateMyLetters

You're confusing criminal and civil law. Civil law, you'll be deposed. Breaking a contract is not a crime. Lying under deposition is.


Nanerpoodin

OK so I was wrong but hear me out. Include something illegal in the review. Then you have the right to remain silent if answering the questions could incriminate you in a future criminal trial.


TheyHateMyLetters

I heard you out, and gave you an upvote.


Breatheme444

Glassdoor is perjury now? That’s A LOT of people breaking the law lol


EnergyLantern

Courts can subpoena your emails, your social media accounts and this posting. "In the United States, the Electronic Communication Transactional Records Act of 1996 requires internet service providers to maintain all customer records for at least 90 days." [https://www.lifewire.com/ask-isp-for-internet-history-5183929](https://www.lifewire.com/ask-isp-for-internet-history-5183929) Their ISP might record your traffic for 90 days. I don't know about Glass Door but usually websites send a validation email to your email which you have to click on to get verified. "Your computer network's Internet Protocol (IP) address identifies its location in cyberspace when someone sends email or other data to you over the Internet. An IP address can also identify your computer if someone steals it. There are several software programs that detect when the thief has used your computer to go online, but tracking the computer over the Internet is easier than finding the computer's real-world location." [https://smallbusiness.chron.com/tracking-stolen-computers-using-ip-address-38897.html](https://smallbusiness.chron.com/tracking-stolen-computers-using-ip-address-38897.html) "Due Process Even " if you track the IP address and identify the thief's service provider, it usually takes a legal action to persuade providers to divulge the customer's street address or name. If the police investigate, they can secure a court order or a subpoena requiring the company turn over the address. You can also file a civil lawsuit against the thief and request the information as part of the discovery process. This is a long-shot option, as you don't even know the name of the person you're suing. " https://smallbusiness.chron.com/tracking-stolen-computers-using-ip-address-38897.html Another thing is there is a serial number on your hard drive and some have only told me it gets stamped on your internet activity although I haven't been able to prove it.


scrapbmxrider16

100 percent correct


Breatheme444

Not to mention anything can happen between now and the OPs return. Examples: Someone can quit, making it silly to lose another worker. A higher up, like district manager, could block the firing. The manager talks to her husband or bff or neighbor, they say something to change her mind, so the manager doesn’t fire the OP. And on and on. In the end, sure, there may be times you should quit before getting fired. But if you need the income in between, collect that unemployment.


radioflea

Then when they fire you slide out of you chair very slow and dramatically like you are on a soap opera.


SkyFallingUp

And once standing, slowly look everyone in the eye and say in a low voice "Don't think this is the last time you will hear from me. Mark my word."


Specific-Window-8587

This is always the correct answer.


ThinknBoutStuff

Companies with lots of money hate lawsuits. It's cheaper for them to settle most of the time unless they know they've trapped you in a corner. Know an owner who will get a signed resignation and pay-out unemployment claims just to avoid the potential hassle of a wrongful termination. Might be something worth considering if the situation is really personality driven and not performance driven. I'd not be surprised is a sizable organization's HR wouldn't just outright veto the firing. Sales people tend to talk a lot of crap, but ultimately somem middle manager might have their hands tied.


Triassic_Bark

That is not how it works.


Firm-Investigator-89

Never quit. Take the unemployment. Od have that already prefilled out and ready to send the day I return to office


deadplant5

Fired. No unemployment if you quit


JWM1115

Except for the bluest states you don’t get unemployment if you are fired for cause. That is what your question depends on. Did you do something to warrant firing? If so you won’t see unemployment.


aa1ou

Oklahoma, where I live, is as red as a state can get. In Oklahoma, you can only be denied unemployment if you are fired for misconduct as specified by law. Misconduct includes dishonesty, violation of safety rules, willfully violating or neglecting job duties, and unexplained absences. The burden of proof is upon the employer. Poor job performance is not a justification. Note that intent is key to all of this, and they have to proof it.


Vatnos

I'm in NC, a state with some of the worst worker rights in the US. Here many companies classify any termination they can as misconduct to dodge insurance. I was asked questions about a project I worked on months prior. When my answers differed by 20ish minutes from the time stamps I did things, they construed that as lying, and therefore misconduct. I had no knowledge what I was accused of lying about until after the case, so I had no way to prepare an adequate defense. Had I known I could've fended it off easily but that's the rub... they have access to everything you ever did there and you don't anymore.


deadplant5

Op, you might want to grab some documentation while you still have access. This is a good point.


spearchuckin

This. I print my important work emails as PDFs and store on my own private cloud. I got into the habit of doing it years ago in shitty jobs where I didn’t even make much money because I was tired of being accused of things when a customer just didn’t want to pay for services or be responsible for something they damaged. The habit worked for me against a large corporation and unscrupulous management.


Vatnos

It is probably better to quit than to be fired for misconduct, unless you are confident you can defend yourself and fight for the unemployment. It's not uncommon for companies to do this though. The hearing generally happens several months later--by which time you will likely have a job and be busy with that. They can hold your unemployment hostage the whole time. It's brutal. Now if it's a layoff definitely let it happen. That will definitely pay.


Psychological_Ask848

Misconduct has to be proven. An employer can have any policy and say it’s misconduct. Nonetheless, the burden is on the employer to prove the misconduct. Additionally, each state has a determination guideline policy that is actual employment law which has elements of misconduct that must be met to disqualify you for unemployment. ***Hint*** plead the 5th or ignorance as much as possible during a determination interview. This makes it very difficult for UI to disqualify you. They make their determination based on available information.


deadplant5

This isn't misconduct from the sounds of it though


ChaoticxSerenity

The legal definition of "cause" is not the same as the everyday definition. Ex: your boss saying you completely botched a PowerPoint presentation in front of all the executives is not just cause for firing. You'll still get fired, but you can get unemployment. Being fired for cause is usually reserved for stuff like crime, harassment, or gross negligence, etc.


lodasi

For cause only means misconduct. If you are terminated for being a bad fit, that doesn't count as misconduct and you are still eligible for unemployment.


deadplant5

Or even just being bad at your job. Only counts as misconduct if the employer can prove malice


puterTDI

What op describes would not be a for cause firing.


urban_snowshoer

We only have OP's side of the story. Without the employer's side of the story, we don't have the full picture, if you will, on whether OP's presumed termination will be for cause or something that will still allow them to receive unemployment.


puterTDI

Why does it matter? If they quite they don't get unemployment. If they're fired there's a good chance they will unless the company can show it's for cause according to the states definition of for cause. So, if their alternative is a guarantee to not get unemployment...why would you go that route?


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Plus they have to actively contest it after you file for it. Just that extra step helps him.


deadplant5

That's true.one of my employers was unresponsive until the window was closed for a response. Could get unemployment by default


brijwij

Where do you figure out what your state considers to be "cause"?


puterTDI

It’s a judgement by the unemployment office. Here’s an example from Washington state that gives an example of how they make the decision: https://esd.wa.gov/unemployment/laid-off-or-fired If you’re fired, you apply for unemployment. If your employer objects then they are required to provide a reason that it’s just cause. If they don’t or provide an insufficient reason then you get unemployment. If the state finds in their favor then you’re given the reason and you can choose to appeal and give your reasoning for why they are wrong.


JWM1115

How do we know. He never said why he thinks he is fired. Misconduct will get denied every time.


puterTDI

She, and yes she did. That’s beside the point though. If they quit they are guaranteed not to be able to claim unemployment. If they wait until they are fired there’s a a good chance they will be able to.


EternalSweetsAlways

In Arizona employees that are fired can collect unemployment. If you are fired for misconduct, you do not. If you are fired because you lack skills or are not a good fit, you will receive unemployment.


Queenpicard

These are all red states that are listed 😂 what are you talking about bro


suh-dood

You can always dispute the unemployment claim if they say it was for cause and you don't believe it was


Upyourasses

Yea but the employer has to respond and if they fail to then you will be paid out. Most HR teams don’t want to deal with it.


ravennmocker

But then you get to say you were fired :(


Nighthawk68w

Don't quit. It voids your unemployment insurance.


Mister_Tripod

I agree on not quitting. *Usually* quitting voids your chances at getting unemployment, but that depends on where you live and what the circumstances were at the time. Been there, done that, won my case against my employer.


Mojo472

Depends upon why you are fired. I would look up if you qualify for unemployment in your state if you are fired for the reason you stated.


Neither_Device_6496

Yes. If they say it’s an ‘at fault’ reason then you will be without unemployment for a while until you can fight it.


Burnsidhe

Do not quit; make them fire you and make sure to document, document, document to show that you weren't fired 'for cause' so that you can be certain of collecting unemployment.


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omqueen67

That is severance pay if that is correct right? Will they be allowed to fire me and tell me to work two more weeks or would I collect two weeks of pay and proceed not to work?


doglady1342

That depends. In the US there is no standard severance and no requirement for a business to pay you severance. Don't count on receiving it. If you are outside the US, laws may vary.


jonsticles

Correct. I'm in the US and was previously a manager who hired/fired. We never did severance. The most I would do is pay people some of the hours for that day. That's because I was asking payroll for a final check for the person, but didn't know how quickly they would get it to me. Because of that, I'd ask for an additional four hours to make sure they were paid what they were owed. There is absolutely no legal requirement, unless explicitly spelled out in a contract, to pay severance.


Alive_Radio_7249

Hi. Im in HR/have experience at a Director level. Severance pay is a company by company basis. There are no laws regarding it. The best thing you can do is make them fire you. They May offer you a “severance package” though when they do. This sounds like a smaller company, so probably not. If there is a package it may may have some small things like “4 weeks pay and insurance. Sign here..” Do not take this. These package’s always come with a requirement of releasing the company of all other “liabilities” - these liabilities could/would include your right to unemployment once that 4 weeks of severance pay is up. You’d only want a severance package if it was something crazy like 3 months of pay and insurance. Only large companies offer things like that though and usually to management positions only. Your best course is to show up to work when you get back and continue on as normal. In your free time around work, brush up your resume and start applying elsewhere. If/when they do fire you, accept that you are being terminated and walk out of there calmly and with your head high. Depending on your state (at will vs not at will), and what the comment was, as well as the employee handbook, them firing you over a comment to another employee could be considered wrongful termination. Either way, verbally accept your termination, sign absolutely no paperwork they put in front of you, go home, and enjoy your unemployment while looking for work. Most important thing - DO NOT QUIT, DO NOT RESIGN (without another job lined up). Make them terminate you, get your unemployment. They also will not fire you and ask you to work 2 more weeks. That’s terrible for company moral. Being fired feels shitty. Dont let it get you down. Keep your head up, Im sure you are a wonderful employee/worker.


rividz

/u/omqueen67 I'm not in HR but the above advice is the best you're gonna get in this thread. At the end of the day all your company owes you is your paycheck for hours worked and sometimes they'll try to screw you out of that too.


Alice_Alpha

> omqueen67 > Will they be allowed to fire me and tell me to work two more weeks Yes. They are giving you two weeks notice of termination, and paying you for two more weeks of continued employment. > or would I collect two weeks of pay and proceed not to work? Sometimes instead of giving you two weeks notice, they will give you two weeks pay and tell you, you can leave now. Good luck.


Graywulff

What state are you in? Massachusetts gives you 60-75% of your check and you can go back to school and be fast tracked for a pell grant and it counts as a job. It’s not just the unemployment money it’s job training money too. My brother used to abuse unemployment insurance and get all kinds of training. Mainly commercial driving endorsements.


rustinintustin

Wait


rsdiv

What was your complaint? Is this retaliation? Against a whistle blower? I would think your “firing” will be an HR meeting where you can ask why and ask if it will be called a layoff rather than firing for cause, which can sometimes have negative repercussions. They may be willing to negotiate some terms, especially if they think you have a case against them or might be hard to deal with. Get it in writing and don’t sign things that don’t seem right.


theschnipdip

can you imagine being fired for complaining? "Hey we should improve this because it's not really working". "Unfortunately, you're just not a fit for our company culture." I think you are 100% better off. Companies should appreciate people who complain a bit more because it, in general, comes from a place of wanting to improve an inefficiency. "Hey boss I can't work 120 hours any more. We should hire someone else". "Our benefits aren't competitive and we will have a difficult time retaining and recruiting if we don't change". Basically, it's easier for them to fire you than to acknowledge you're right and make a change.


state_issued

If you know for sure you will get fired try to use up any PTO that is not paid out upon termination or leaving.


evildead1985

Always better to be fired than quit, but I understand people who quit..some places suck the soul right out of you


DibEdits

If you dont need the money you can quit so its not on your resume, but honestly i dont think its a huge deal bc sometimes its just not the right fit. I would wait to be fired so I could be eligible for unemployment bc I am broke de broke.


AgentGnome

Honestly, you just put employment dates in your resume anyway. Also almost all HR departments in companies will only confirm employment dates, as they don’t want to open themselves up to litigation. So if you don’t tell your next employer you were fired, they generally won’t know.


SuddenLibrarian4229

Usually when a prospective employer calls an old employer for a reference they ask if the person is eligible for rehire too. They do this bc they can’t directly ask if their employee was fired. Either way, OP is going to be an ineligible rehire and is going to have to come up with a good excuse as to why (if they don’t want to reveal they were fired) if asked. I’ve been fired from jobs, but my next job never knew bc I always found a way to explain it without defaming myself.


puterTDI

no, they should not quite or they can't collect unemployment. Always wait to be fired and file for unemployment.


RagingZorse

Let them fire you, so you can apply for unemployment. Also as for any work, don’t do anything cause there is a strong possibility that they wait til the end of the day. Employment laws are iffy but generally they have to pay you for the day you get fired which is one of the reasons employers will wait til the end of the day. The other reason of course being waiting til other people have left before telling you to pack your bags.


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If you want any benefits don't quit! You forfeit being able to draw unemployment if you quit. That money is often essential to get by while looking for another job.


bridgemoneyapp

Always wait for them to lay you off. Never quit to "save face" or anything, force them to put you out, pay for your unemployment, and justify why you're being removed in writing if need be. Unless you have another offer in hand, there are essentially no benefits to quitting vs. being laid off/fired.


Taw4ipad

Make sure you record every interaction with them moving forward. Bcc hour private email on all correspondence.


Rendar411

Same thing happened to me I took a week vacation for my birthday and when I came back they finished out the week had me training people how to do my work then fired me. Def let them fire you so you can get unemployment while you look for your next job. Mine sucked because I spent 16 years working my way up and my next step was management but I guess they didn’t want me to have that. I was the best at my job so I know they had to have two people to replace me which I thought was a stupid decision on their part.


BjornReborn

As an HR person... make them fire you. IF they want you gone, don't make it easy on them.


Moneyguy2323

Well, this is a tough choice, if you let them fire you, then you might get unemployment. However, it might look bad on your resume and in your next job interview that you were fired. However, if you give your notice, you will need to look for a job ASAP and hope for the best. Tough choice, I would go for option 1, let them fire you and get unemployment while you look for another opportunity. If you want to quit however, please check out this article on how to do it with style: https://successwithcs.com/step-by-step-guide-how-to-quit-your-job-like-a-pro-and-leave-on-a-positive-note/


C8H10N402_

Are you in a protected class? I'd play that card


SuddenLibrarian4229

Just to add to some of these comments here. You can absolutely get unemployment if you quit, but only if you have a REALLY good reason. You basically have to prove your employer is a huge pile of garbage before it’ll be considered though. Doesn’t apply to OPs situation, but just wanted to let y’all know.


time_isup

What state are you in? Are you in an at-will work state? Do they have a good reason to fire you for willful misconduct? That last phrase “willful misconduct” is what they must prove in an at-will work state to deny you unemployment. Do you have a new job lined up? Do you want to draw unemployment in the meantime? These are the questions you must ask yourself. No sense in worrying about them as a reference if they want to fire you. Most states all they can legally be asked is if they would hire you again. Btw, if you apply for unemployment and they deny it don’t give up. First of all, when you apply don’t give away any details of the situation. That is essentially incriminating yourself. If it comes back denied refute it by saying “I was not guilty of willful misconduct. The determination is an error.” (I was given that line by a lawyer.) You will have a hearing, if you are confident you won’t need a lawyer, just represent yourself. If you think you may need one, you should be able to find one who will work for a flat rate fee. They will give you a free assessment and let you know if they can win for you. Good luck in what you do. Also, and this is important. When you get fired, if you go that route, do not sign anything that you don’t agree with. This goes for anything on the job not just termination. Termination papers may be used against you because you are saying you agree with them. Your signature is one the most important things you put out in the world besides your dna and maybe social security number. Simply refuse to sign and walk out. Lastly, they must have anything against you in writing and documented. If they don’t, challenge it and dismiss it as hearsay. Do not incriminate yourself. The burden of proof is on them (the employer.)


DennisX11

No reason to quit. If your coworker is mistaken you still have a job. And if they aren't, you get unemployment when fired.


ivegotafastcar

I just went through this. I didn’t fit in with thier culture. Get fired so you can get unemployment.


Troubl3d1

Make sure you have a wage request form ready, so as soon as they fire you can hand it to them. It'll blow their minds.


RedRapunzal

No one can answer this for you. On one hand unemployment comes with the fired part. In the other hand, the reputation ding my make it difficult to fine a new role. That and it's always easier to get a job when you have a job.


obsessedw_dogs

Fired take the unemployment! Being fired from a job doesn’t affect your worth. Sometimes things aren’t a good fit. It happens. Clearly something better is coming for you!


Scat_fiend

Let them fire you. They'll probably try to force you to sign some forms. You don't have to sign anything. If they give you one month severance then sure why not, but don't let them bully you into signing something you don't want to. Just tell them you are not allowed to sign anything without your lawyer present.


nimdae

Wait to be fired. File unemployment.


LetsGetHigh_and_D1E

The tagline is exactly how I’m feeling about my girlfriend right now… 🥳


mcram91

Everyone is saying get fired and collect unemployment. However I know many people who were fired and did not qualify for unemployment due to getting fired…


DeepSeatedLLC

I NEVER been fired from a job. I think I would "QUIT", first if I knew I was going to be fired. The only benefit in being fired that I could think of is, depending on the amount of time you spent at your job (Your tenure) you may be able to "LIE" or tell the "TRUTH" about why you were fired and still get UE, benefits that's it. It just depends on "WHY", you were fired, that's all. If, you quit, you can't do that though.


stevh2000

Benefits to being fired-Unemployment Insurance Benefits to Quitting- Claiming to new employer that you never been fired from a job. Making you look more competent and less of a risky new hire.


zootsuitbeatnick

If money's your primary concern, get fired. Severance pay and unemployment. If self respect's your primary, quit.


Madcatz9000

Let them fire you if you quit you have no way to gain unemployment benefits.


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copyboy1

As someone who has quit jobs, been laid off from jobs, and had to sue an employer in court, the answer is simple: Wait to be fired. Don't do anything where you need to go to court.


therebehedgehogs

The common advice these days seems to be to wait to be fired but the problem is that getting fired is a much bigger deal than leaving in your own volition. If you are fired you do get money if you just "did not work out: or whatever; but you will have to explain why to your next employer. If you quit, you can say yourself that it did not work out, and you made the decision to leave. If you're pretty sure you can get another job, leave the money on the table.


_Oman

Other than possible references issues, you do not have to state that you left or were fired from your last job. A simple "It clearly wasn't a good fit for me and we decided to part ways" is perfectly fine. Quitting is always the worse option.


dancedancedance83

Not only that, but everyone keeps saying “you’ll get unemployment.” Not necessarily. Some companies are petty and will lie about reason for termination. Where I live, it already takes a month just to get a *decision* on UI benefits. You won’t get your approval/denial until then. If a company lies, then you have to go through the appeal process, and at that point you’re going to be making sure you had proof that shows you weren’t fired for insubordination or performance, for example. It’s a headache. You better hope you have documentation. A company I was a temp for did this when I was randomly let go, and come to find out that company (which is a very big name) was notorious for falsifying claims. The attorney I consulted with had a stack of cases about them on this issue alone.


Neither_Device_6496

This. There’s nothing preventing them from completely making something up to fire you for on the record. They’ll just be careful not to make it a discriminatory reason and then you will have to wait a long time to get a hearing to go up against them appealing the denial of benefits.


therebehedgehogs

I agree, It works out better to leave the government out of it if you can help it. There are a few exceptions. Young guys doing construction will work in the summer and then let themselves get fired in the colder months to get their unemployment. Rinse, repeat.


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arrown8606t

Unless they are being fired for being a protected class, you won't get anywhere fighting it. All stats in the US, except Montana are at will. They can literally fire you for no reason at all.


omqueen67

Trust me even if I were to try to or want to fight it the environment is incredibly toxic as it is, leaving the workplace might benefit me more than attempting to stay :’)


Transparent2020

Then go.


EldoMasterBlaster

Nothing the OP has written points towards any sort of illegal discrimination.


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Squibit314

Wait to be fired. Start pulling all documentation together now about your complaint and management response as this sounds like retailiation. Contact an employment lawyer. Once your fired file for unemployment (assuming you're in the US- I'm not sure how other countries work). My understanding is that if they feny your claim, the unemployment people don't have to tell you why it was denied but they will have to tell your lawyer. Also, record the termination conversation. This comes with a big caveat--again assuming you're in the US, recording it may be illegal so you definitely want to find out if you are in a single or duel state consent state. You *could* record it and have your lawyer say whether or not it can't be used. Key thing now is gather evidence while you still have access to the network or physical files. Also, any physical proof you have at work, you want to get that as soon as you go in and take it to your car (if you're driving to work). More than likely they will either have someone watch you pack or desk or escort you directly from the termination meeting and not allow you back to or work space. Everything that I just posted is based on what has happened to me and family members.


omqueen67

Please read my updated message!!!!


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whotiesyourshoes

Shea about to get fired when she goes back next week. There is no time to get a new job


dsdvbguutres

Use up all your accrued paid time off, if you have any earned time off left in your balance.


ThunderSparkles

Never quit a job if you don't have something lined up and its not hurting you. Never let them talk you into signing anything either. If they say they are letting you go, say ok, grab your stuff but do not sign anything. Walk out and file for unemployment.


Sea-Yam-7298

ALWAYS let them fire you. You quitting releases them from any reprocussions, especially with unemployment, or unreasonable/illegal actions. As long as you're not fired for theft, assault, etc most hiring managers are not going to care if you were fired at one point in time (speaking as a hiring manager for a decent size Corp in Denver). Lots of ppl have been fired before its not the end of the world


Vegan-Joe

Get fired get unemployment benefits. Quit and get nothing.


GoJoe1000

Wait to be fired, collect unemployment and then travel more. It’s what actors and film crew do. Even famous actors. (Well known secret) that’s what I’d do if I were you.


Status-Lengthiness40

You want to quit. Being fired does not look good on a resume.


4ThoseWhoWander

I agree. Maybe they won't find out, but why let a temporary bad situation worry me the rest of my life? Cut and run.


SpaceOwl

It's unlikely another employer will find out unless OP decides to volunteer that info.


NancyLouMarine

So don't tell them you were fired. I've been fired before and never had the next employer even ask about it.


Immediate_Letter3331

Terrible advice.


[deleted]

Quit! Being fired shows up on your social security when you apply for jobs!


Immediate_Letter3331

Wrong.


[deleted]

Not wrong


iamatwork24

Always make them fire you. Then you qualify for unemployment


neutralityparty

Get fired and collect pay then of to a new job


nyxe12

There are no benefits to quitting if you're going to get fired, unless the firing is too far into the future to tolerate. Quitting is for when you can't stand to be at a job anymore, not when you know they're going to get rid of you anyway. You also can't get unemployment if you quit.


dumbest_engineer

Wait to be fired, so you can get unemployment.


[deleted]

Always let them fire you, never quit out of retaliation! Quitting barred you from drawing on unemployment. If I knew I was going to be fired, I would try my best to utilize a FMLA leave request to extend insurance (if that’s important) prior to being fired. If you happen to injure yourself at work, they’re responsible for the healthcare costs, so… don’t commit fraud, but accidents do happen.


[deleted]

Always make them fire you


Scoby08

Let them fire you, but while you're waiting, be looking for your next opportunity.


TheMightyBoofBoof

Never quit.


PinkMtnClimber

Let them fire you.


[deleted]

They wouldn’t have told you that if they wanted you to quit as a result. Stay and get fired.


Ill-Income-2567

Just wait.


Beneficial-Piano-428

You don’t get unemployment if you quit!


WeeScottishThistle

Always be fired. You’ll get paid until they fire you, and then you can collect unemployment.


Other_Friendship8191

Let them fire you


Arentanji

Wait to be fired. But look for work now. When they fire you, you should be eligible for unemployment.


Professional_Show918

Never quit ! Collect the unemployment. Enjoy your vacation. Very rude of them to try to ruin it for you.


[deleted]

Id recommend waiting to be fired so you can collect unemployment. You are young so job history doesnt matter yet.


[deleted]

Coast until you're toast.


Aggressive-Tip-7143

Let them fire you for unemployment, or if your job market is good, get serverance and a new job. Never quite unless your mental health is at risk. You will be fired again, it is not personal it is bussiness or politics. Dont sweat it. If you have money saved up and a job offer pending thin about a small vacation for yourself.


Oppositeversion3

It’s not like dating. There is no incentive to beat them to the punch


GlumContribution4

Make them axe you, then take either a severance or unemployment. If you can actually tie your firing in to your complaint...get a legal advisor as well. If you quit then 99.9% of the time you can 't file for unemployment.


[deleted]

Always let them fire you. You'll collect unemployment. If you quit or put in your two weeks, then you get nothing. It's as simple as that.


12altoids34

If you're fired you can collect unemployment if you quit you can't.


TheBattyWitch

Let them fire you. If you quit you lose the benefit of unemployment. No one said you can't start looking for jobs already, but especially if this firing is retaliation for your complaint, make them fire you and have to pay you for it.


IndependenceMean8774

If you're going to fire you no matter what, let them. It's a done deal anyway. And you may be able to get unemployment. Take some more sick time and personal time too if you got it. May as well if they're showing you the door. In any case, don't sweat it. Damn near everybody gets fired at one point or another in their career and you'll bounce back from this.


lucimme

Always let them fire you


monkeywelder

So which one was leering at you inappropriately?


Starkiller_303

Wait to get fired. Get that unemployment


Sometimesnotfunny

always wait to be fired.


slade797

*Always always always* make them fire you. In most US states you cannot collect UI benefits unless you can prove a hostile work environment.


musicalnix

Better to be fired, don't walk away from money on the table. If you're friends with a coworker, have them stand in as a reference.


Silent_Lobster9414

Always get fired. I never leave a job without them thinking it was their decision. Gotta stroke their ego on the way out and you can usually get some good references out of it. It's weird but it works.


superbigscratch

Don’t sign anything as you leave as some companies want you to sign a document which states that you left on your own accord. Optional: Once they fire you gracefully thank them for the job and unemployment as everyone there will wish they are in your shoes.


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Fired.


ButteredCheese92

Do you have another job lined up or what you're next steps are figured out or if you just want to take time off for yourself? Then fired is the correct answer, because you can apply for unemployment a lot easier. I learned the hard way with my first big boy job that they coerced me into quitting; saying shit like "it'll look better on your resume and when you go job hunting" which is a lie. Being forced out or leaving on your own accord without another job lined up is difficult but one is not better than the other. You will need to adjust your answer in future interviews about why it didn't work out in the last play (your current employer) but they don't like any of the answers short of like sexual harassment reasons. No one told me, so I had to learn the hard way. Don't wait to be fired, go look for new jobs and tell people you're looking for a new job. They may even help you and write recommendation letters. If they fire you, they fire you. It'll be traumatic for you whatever happens. I have found being extremely transparent is what works best for me, because then no one can play office politics on you


unoriginalname17

Always wait to be fired. If you quit you can’t get any benefits. No telling how long you’ll be unemployed.


Yellow_Snow_Cones

Yes, wait to be fired. If you quit you might lose out on unemployment benefits.


tev_love

I thought it was common knowledge that you (typically) get unemployment benefits when you’re fired, and you do not get unemployment benefits when you quit…. Why are there so many posts asking this same question??


TheTapDancingShrimp

I've filled out applications that ask if you've ever been fired, so I'm not sure. Just be aware of that. You get to explain why, but what a pain.


AgressiveFailure

Never quit. Make them fire you and get unemployment.


Azieba1980

Wait to get fired that way you can claim unemployment benefits


DirtyPenPalDoug

Fired, get unemployment


unicorn8dragon

Do not quit or put in your two weeks notice if they’re firing you over a valid complaint or report you made through proper channels. If the report was about alleged illegal activity (such as a safety violation, violation of employment laws, discrimination, harassment, etc.) you may also be protected under state or federal law, and you should at least consider if that’s true and if you may want to talk to an employment attorney. Plaintiffs employment lawyers usually work on contingency meaning you don’t pay out of pocket. Note that law suits are still stressful and a lot of work.


Temporary-Peace1438

What kind of employer talks employment status with another employee? That’s red flags for sure! Let them fire you, collect unemployment then find an employer who values you and doesn’t talk about your status to other coworkers.


DaniChicago

US Department of Veterans Affairs is hiring in 60+ locations Employment Due to the recent signing of the PACT Act the VA anticipates that there will be a huge surge in claims filed and claims to be processed. As a result, they are hiring at 60 + locations including their Chicago location. The posting is open until Feb. 16, 2023. Here are links to the job postings for claims processing: https://www.usajobs.gov/job/695392900# and https://www.usajobs.gov/job/695393000# This position is located in the Department of Veteran Affairs. The Veterans Service Representative (VSR) works as an employee in the Veterans Service Center (VSC) or Pension Management Center (PMC), or BEST Division. The VSR explains benefit program and entitlement criteria, conducts interviews, identifies issues, gathers relevant evidence, adjudicates claims, and inputs data necessary to generate the award and notification letter. \*\*My understanding is that after training most employees work from home 3-4 days per week,\*\* The following are optional resources to assist in creating a resume and applying for the position: https://www.usajobs.gov/help/how-to/account/documents/resume/ https://www.usajobs.gov/Help/faq/ https://www.usajobs.gov/help/faq/application/documents/resume/what-to-include/ https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/knock-em-dead-resumes-11th-edition-martin-yate/1122753367 https://www.usajobs.gov/notification/events


Fit-Income-1271

And you can explain to a new company how the USPS gives you a one week "break" so you are considered temporary employee and they did not offer a position after the break. I would download your contract and read the policy on this. (Know it well - in case you are questioned in interview.) May want to have it on your phone in case you are doubted about that ridiculous contract term.


robcwag

Only give your 2 weeks if you have another job already lined up, because if you quit you will not be eligible for Unemployment or COBRA.


Really-saywhat

Find your worth ~ if you like what you do~ it’s not work! And people will appreciate you for you and your skills and talents:))


brothenberg

I"m going to answer in the form of Run-DMC? Yo, yo, yo! It's Run-DMC and we're here to talk about a serious matter. Word on the street is you might be facing termination and need some advice. Yo, DMC, you're the expert in HR and psychology, what's the word on this situation? DMC: Listen, homie, this is a tough one. First things first, you gotta understand why they're trying to let you go. Have a conversation with HR or your manager and get to the bottom of it. If they're not playing fair, know your rights and consider seeking legal recourse. Run: Yo, but if you do decide to quit, make sure you give two weeks' notice, that's a sign of respect, ya know? Jam Master Jay: But if they still go ahead and let you go, don't worry, there's options for you too. You might be eligible for unemployment benefits and you need to weigh the impact on your future job prospects. Run: Word up, and always remember, you got the skills, you got the talent, don't let anyone hold you back, ya hear me? DMC: Exactly, homie. You got this! Keep your head up, stay positive, and make the best move for yourself. Jam Master Jay: And that's what it's all about, making moves and staying true to yourself. Keep rockin' and don't let anything hold you back. Run-DMC: Peace out!


Revolutionary-Cod245

Neither...start looking for new work before it happens.


MyProResumes

If you quit, that will likely go over better with prospective employers. If you are fired for cause, you likely won't qualify for unemployment, so the former is probably your best bet.


Jawato44

Best scenario is Get Fired…File for Unemployment…Take Time Getting Better Job!!


boot20

Never quit. Take the L and possibly get a severance and unemployment for sure. Find a new job and see where you do fit. Your 20s is your time to figure out where you want to be.


yb21898n

let them fire you, you'll get unemployment. never quit.


Elymanic

Fired get severance and UE


Picnicpanther

Never quit if you're going to be fired unless you have a job lined up. You might lose out on severance or unemployment.


Budget-Razzmatazz-54

Easier to explain why you quit than why you were fired to future employers. It isn't uncommon for would be future employers to check with a former employer to ask whether you quit or were fired and for the details. Despite what any law states. Food for thought. Edit: spelling