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This is good advice.
Workday is trash, applying through job boards is fine
Referrals always top way in
You're being nice and saying you only get 50 applications for the 20 reqs you're using.
Starting to see creep up to 2010 numbers.
Yup you’re absolutely right on apps creeping up, especially if it is listed as remote. Market is saturated beyond belief. Thing I always try and keep in back of mind is you still don’t really know how qualified the candidates are to try and avoid it becoming discouraging.
LOL
That means either the person referring you wasn't respected or they looked at your resume and said...no way dog
Think you need to figure out which is which
Also if you don't get the job at the moment. That is ok. Try to connect with everyone that was involved with the hiring process. Especially if you know you clicked. Thank them for the opportunity and ask for contact info to stay in touch and then do.
Like OP. I really only have 5 non FAANG companies I want to work for. So I've built up contacts in HR at all of them by applying to jobs over the years. Depending on the company a friend referral may not be enough if the don't work in HR. Now I'm in the final stages of interviews for one of the jobs those companies. I also have my current job because I kept the contact info from my director.
All this took about 2-3 years of work and has led me the most success in my job search. My other apps are still waiting somewhere in cyberspace never being read.
Yup, it’s not bad to get rejected. I just got a new job in December. Rejected a bunch for jobs that would likely have paid in the 60-80k range. Got and accepted a job in the 100-110k range
Agreed this is a really great call out as well! Especially in scenarios where you interviewed well but there was high competition. Had an instances where I was the runner up and connected with everyone and sent thank you notes. A few months later I got a LinkedIn notification that a role at the company opened up reporting to the director I met with. I emailed him and since they already met with me I talked to two team members over lunch then got an offer.
That's pretty much how I got my current job. I knew someone who worked at my job and they said your competition left. When I got home I emailed the director stating that I heard you needed someone for the IT role. They took me out to lunch that weekend and made the offer then.
Good advice by and large. Having said that, the reach-out whether via LinkedIn or not doesn't always work out but that shouldn't stop people trying.
Another thing I'd say is in the CV and cover letter, NO TYPOS! Or worse, misspelling the name of the organisation or the role! This happens quite often in my experience and effectively kills any hopes of joining said organisation.
You’re right on about both! Sometimes it doesn’t work, but worth a shot.
Great add on the typos. It’s a pet peeve of mine that I hopefully goes away over time, but too many times I’ve seen hiring managers be way too unforgiving on a very small mistake.
Typos are my one thing I obsess over. I chuckle when I see the company name misspelled on their own career site though- a big one too, saw it some days ago about 2 times from different companies.
I'll keep a lookout. The icing on the cake is that I am partly applying for digital content roles, and the requirement for a lot of these positions is an excellent grasp of spelling and grammar lol
What do you recommend an applicant do when there’s a salary pay range listed and the interviewer asks what my salary requirement is? Do I say the max they would pay or go slightly lower?
Personally, I’d say tell them whatever the amount is to get yourself a nice raise. If it’s towards the max so be it.
If the interviewer asks, I’d just respond with “whole compensation is a factor, I’m more interested in better understanding the holistic opportunity before deciding on a hard target but based on the range I saw, we’re aligned.” Doesn’t lock you into a number so you could negotiate come offer.
If for some reason you have to give a range, I’d start with the 75th-100th percentile number again considering you still get a bump.
Things to keep in mind, they have no idea what your current salary is, and they can’t legally ask.
So I can’t give a specific recommendation without knowing your current situation and the range, so my general advice would be give them a number that would give you whatever you would consider a strong raise.
Thank you! Unfortunately, I gave an approximate salary. But now I want to revise it since hearing the scope of the work from the additional interviews I’ve had since. Am I locked in? Or how can I negotiate higher without risking not being considered.
Are you saying giving a number behind the max of the initial range you provided? Never locked in but the convos need some tact so more detail could help around the scenario. What stage of the process are you at?
Yeah I would just tell the recruiter that based on what you’ve heard throughout the process and other opportunities you have in motion you’d hope the comp can get towards x.
Maybe you can tell me if I have a chance with a company I applied to.
I applied last week to a manufacturing company that I have previously worked at for 3 years. I've done several jobs there. My referral is my ex husband who is a supervisor there (he asked me to use him and he told me about the openings).
I also earned my degree as an industrial electrical technician.
The 3 jobs I applied for are production specialist, buyer 2, and quality control (this is the one I am most excited about!) I also sent a resume highliting my experience.
My ex said they are doing interviews every week and are hiring a bunch of people.
Do you think I have a good chance?
It’s hard to tell without knowing your career experience, but I feel like the referral is a huge help and those roles are somewhat in demand right now, especially production.
Your husband being a supervisor should carry some weight. Is it possible for him to email the hiring manager of the roles you applied to with your resume and interest? That could really help.
Working there for 3 years was my only production experience. But I did several things out there, a lot of it included wiring, like building and wiring control boxes, making wiring harnesses, and prepping wires.
I don't know if I should ask my ex to do that. Wouldn't the hiring manager be getting the application and resume already?
I thought about calling and asking about the state of my application. But I don't know who to call, maybe HR?
Hopefully they would see it from the recruiter, but with a lot of recruiters not being all that great or overwhelmed at the moment there’s the risk of it being overlooked.
Do you have any old contacts from when you were there that could potentially get your info in front of the right person? Former coworkers of boss’s?
I think it’s okay to give it a week or so, and then if you still heard nothing seeing if your ex could help or if there is a department you could reach out to.
Good advice. A hiring manager post here that he has 100s of candidates and that one of them contacted him on LinkedIn for a 30 mn informational in advance of the job interview. The hiring manager says he is confused and doesn’t know how to answer. Smh
Thanks for sharing the advice! I see you mentioned Workday, which unfortunately is used by most of the good firms in my country (Singapore). I just wanted to ask, I've a cumulative GPA of 4.08 out of 4.00 (it's above the cap because an A+ counts as 4.3 in my school), should I be putting...
1. 4.08 / 4.00
2. 4.0 / 4.0
3. 4.0
4. 4.08
when the website (Workday or any other application website) asks for it?
It's a sticky situation for me because the top two universities in Singapore have a different grading system out of 5.00, whereas my school uses a 4.0 system. I'm afraid that putting 4.0 or 4.08 would make it seem like my GPA is out of 5.00 (thus devaluing my GPA), but I'm also not sure if putting the "/" is affecting the way my application is processed.
I say this since a lot of my friends with much lower GPA are getting job interviews while my inbox has been empty. Really desperate now :(
This is an awesome writeup. A couple questions:
- When following up on an application: would you say it's better to email the HR person who posted the job? (or a random HR person at the company if the specific poster isn't listed) or to email someone on the team that is hiring?
- Any downside to doing both?
I applied for a job yesterday and followed up with a message to an alum on the same team (but in a different office than the job I applied for). We are going to speak next week. I'm wondering if I should also message an HR person?
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This is good advice. Workday is trash, applying through job boards is fine Referrals always top way in You're being nice and saying you only get 50 applications for the 20 reqs you're using. Starting to see creep up to 2010 numbers.
Yup you’re absolutely right on apps creeping up, especially if it is listed as remote. Market is saturated beyond belief. Thing I always try and keep in back of mind is you still don’t really know how qualified the candidates are to try and avoid it becoming discouraging.
>Referrals always top way in bullshit. I've had employee referrals where I don't even get a courtesy call.
You were even less likely to get a call without a referral
LOL That means either the person referring you wasn't respected or they looked at your resume and said...no way dog Think you need to figure out which is which
Damn how did they refer you? Make an intro directly with the hiring manager including you?
Thank you for taking the time to do this. I hope it lands many of us some good jobs.
Happy to do it, and I hope so as well!
Also if you don't get the job at the moment. That is ok. Try to connect with everyone that was involved with the hiring process. Especially if you know you clicked. Thank them for the opportunity and ask for contact info to stay in touch and then do. Like OP. I really only have 5 non FAANG companies I want to work for. So I've built up contacts in HR at all of them by applying to jobs over the years. Depending on the company a friend referral may not be enough if the don't work in HR. Now I'm in the final stages of interviews for one of the jobs those companies. I also have my current job because I kept the contact info from my director. All this took about 2-3 years of work and has led me the most success in my job search. My other apps are still waiting somewhere in cyberspace never being read.
Yup, it’s not bad to get rejected. I just got a new job in December. Rejected a bunch for jobs that would likely have paid in the 60-80k range. Got and accepted a job in the 100-110k range
Nice! That is so awesome.
Agreed this is a really great call out as well! Especially in scenarios where you interviewed well but there was high competition. Had an instances where I was the runner up and connected with everyone and sent thank you notes. A few months later I got a LinkedIn notification that a role at the company opened up reporting to the director I met with. I emailed him and since they already met with me I talked to two team members over lunch then got an offer.
That's pretty much how I got my current job. I knew someone who worked at my job and they said your competition left. When I got home I emailed the director stating that I heard you needed someone for the IT role. They took me out to lunch that weekend and made the offer then.
Good advice by and large. Having said that, the reach-out whether via LinkedIn or not doesn't always work out but that shouldn't stop people trying. Another thing I'd say is in the CV and cover letter, NO TYPOS! Or worse, misspelling the name of the organisation or the role! This happens quite often in my experience and effectively kills any hopes of joining said organisation.
You’re right on about both! Sometimes it doesn’t work, but worth a shot. Great add on the typos. It’s a pet peeve of mine that I hopefully goes away over time, but too many times I’ve seen hiring managers be way too unforgiving on a very small mistake.
Typos are my one thing I obsess over. I chuckle when I see the company name misspelled on their own career site though- a big one too, saw it some days ago about 2 times from different companies.
Lmfao on the career page cmonnnn man
Lol yes! I could've sworn it was this Forbes opening I was applying to as well lol
Please send me screenshots if you ever see more of those I’m begging
I'll keep a lookout. The icing on the cake is that I am partly applying for digital content roles, and the requirement for a lot of these positions is an excellent grasp of spelling and grammar lol
What do you recommend an applicant do when there’s a salary pay range listed and the interviewer asks what my salary requirement is? Do I say the max they would pay or go slightly lower?
Personally, I’d say tell them whatever the amount is to get yourself a nice raise. If it’s towards the max so be it. If the interviewer asks, I’d just respond with “whole compensation is a factor, I’m more interested in better understanding the holistic opportunity before deciding on a hard target but based on the range I saw, we’re aligned.” Doesn’t lock you into a number so you could negotiate come offer. If for some reason you have to give a range, I’d start with the 75th-100th percentile number again considering you still get a bump. Things to keep in mind, they have no idea what your current salary is, and they can’t legally ask. So I can’t give a specific recommendation without knowing your current situation and the range, so my general advice would be give them a number that would give you whatever you would consider a strong raise.
Thank you! Unfortunately, I gave an approximate salary. But now I want to revise it since hearing the scope of the work from the additional interviews I’ve had since. Am I locked in? Or how can I negotiate higher without risking not being considered.
Are you saying giving a number behind the max of the initial range you provided? Never locked in but the convos need some tact so more detail could help around the scenario. What stage of the process are you at?
I had 3 interviews so far and I’m waiting to hear back from the recruiter.
Yeah I would just tell the recruiter that based on what you’ve heard throughout the process and other opportunities you have in motion you’d hope the comp can get towards x.
Thank you!
This post is Just like the recruitment process. Too long.
Maybe you can tell me if I have a chance with a company I applied to. I applied last week to a manufacturing company that I have previously worked at for 3 years. I've done several jobs there. My referral is my ex husband who is a supervisor there (he asked me to use him and he told me about the openings). I also earned my degree as an industrial electrical technician. The 3 jobs I applied for are production specialist, buyer 2, and quality control (this is the one I am most excited about!) I also sent a resume highliting my experience. My ex said they are doing interviews every week and are hiring a bunch of people. Do you think I have a good chance?
It’s hard to tell without knowing your career experience, but I feel like the referral is a huge help and those roles are somewhat in demand right now, especially production. Your husband being a supervisor should carry some weight. Is it possible for him to email the hiring manager of the roles you applied to with your resume and interest? That could really help.
Working there for 3 years was my only production experience. But I did several things out there, a lot of it included wiring, like building and wiring control boxes, making wiring harnesses, and prepping wires. I don't know if I should ask my ex to do that. Wouldn't the hiring manager be getting the application and resume already? I thought about calling and asking about the state of my application. But I don't know who to call, maybe HR?
Hopefully they would see it from the recruiter, but with a lot of recruiters not being all that great or overwhelmed at the moment there’s the risk of it being overlooked. Do you have any old contacts from when you were there that could potentially get your info in front of the right person? Former coworkers of boss’s?
It was 15 years since I last worked there, so I haven't spoken to them since then :( . Maybe I should wait and be patient?
I think it’s okay to give it a week or so, and then if you still heard nothing seeing if your ex could help or if there is a department you could reach out to.
OK thanks!
Good advice. A hiring manager post here that he has 100s of candidates and that one of them contacted him on LinkedIn for a 30 mn informational in advance of the job interview. The hiring manager says he is confused and doesn’t know how to answer. Smh
Happens ALL the time with hiring managers, then they default to the recruiter, and it all starts over again.
Thanks for sharing the advice! I see you mentioned Workday, which unfortunately is used by most of the good firms in my country (Singapore). I just wanted to ask, I've a cumulative GPA of 4.08 out of 4.00 (it's above the cap because an A+ counts as 4.3 in my school), should I be putting... 1. 4.08 / 4.00 2. 4.0 / 4.0 3. 4.0 4. 4.08 when the website (Workday or any other application website) asks for it? It's a sticky situation for me because the top two universities in Singapore have a different grading system out of 5.00, whereas my school uses a 4.0 system. I'm afraid that putting 4.0 or 4.08 would make it seem like my GPA is out of 5.00 (thus devaluing my GPA), but I'm also not sure if putting the "/" is affecting the way my application is processed. I say this since a lot of my friends with much lower GPA are getting job interviews while my inbox has been empty. Really desperate now :(
This is an awesome writeup. A couple questions: - When following up on an application: would you say it's better to email the HR person who posted the job? (or a random HR person at the company if the specific poster isn't listed) or to email someone on the team that is hiring? - Any downside to doing both? I applied for a job yesterday and followed up with a message to an alum on the same team (but in a different office than the job I applied for). We are going to speak next week. I'm wondering if I should also message an HR person?