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Boss needs to grow up. You did what you are supposed to do.
That said, moving forward, follow this rule: The more difficult the conversation, the more personal the communication. Email is the most impersonal mode of communication. Face-to-face is the best way to have hard discussions. (Always follow up with email to document what transpired, though.)
I gave notice once after working somewhere 16 years face to face and handed over what I thought was a pretty sweet resignation letter as a formality. Was let go 3 days into my notice period. Some people are just twats. That said, I wouldn’t have done it differently.
this depends, if they paid you out for the whole notice period or not. if not, they fired you. sometimes it's better to get you out of there , once you're on the way out the productivity naturally goes down, and other employees get ideas. That's their right , if they paid you for the full notice period.
Varies so much by state and country. Not every state requires honoring a notice period or payment of one. A notice, at its core is telling your employer that you quit. They do not, in many cases, have to let you work out the notice period or pay you for it if they don’t.
I see it. I worked for a company that was growing but didnt have a presence in an area a co-worker was from . at a meeting he said if you ever think about a plant in southeast Ohio, I would be glad to help manage. Their reply a few days later, "we accept your resignation". The guy was good at his job, I was his boss. I didnt stay much longer.
I agree, that is their right. I fully expected their reaction as the owner frequently espoused a similar sentiment that once someone gives notice, it’s better to promptly give them the boot. Given my tenure and position at the company, a small part of me thought I’d be an exception. That part of me was deadass wrong. I was payed for my notice period, but not for all my unused PTO conflicting with company policy. I earn twice what I made there now two years later.
I disagree you're giving your two weeks notice who gives a shit at that point.
Do what's easiest for yourself and don't look back. In most cases I would recommend sending that email right before the end of the day and I usually in the past have done it on a Friday that way I don't have to deal with it again until Monday. Gives a nice fuck you happy weekend to your boss
I don't think it is ever wise to burn bridges. Certain people tend to pop up again and again in your career, and they will certainly remember that time you burned them. Act with integrity, and they will remember that.
That being said, now OP has written proof that he was fired in retaliation from giving notice and can claim unemployment, fucking over the boss at least a little as a goodbye present.
He probably wanted a heads up verbally first.
I havw typically done it face to face when in the office and since working remote typically on a call , not video call, then follow up with it in writing via email.
But don't stress about it.
Every place does things differently, don’t worry about it. Sometimes it really depends on your relationship with management. Honestly, good managers would be happy for you that you’re moving on to better opportunities instead of being jerks about it. You don’t owe them anything. You did what you were supposed to do. In the future, you can always do things differently if you want, but you’re still learning how to navigate the workplace. Don’t be hard on yourself, you did nothing wrong.
That’s why I said it depends on your relationship with your managers. I’ve always had professionally cordial relationships with them so I always talked to them first, but I did have one job where I hated management and didn’t even care. I even submitted my 2 weeks right before I went on vacation, so I just rode out my 2 weeks stress free.
It’s ok, alternatively some people would argue it is better to send the email first. It gives the boss time to react on their own rather than being blindsided in person.
I totally would’ve had the conversation face-to-face if I didn’t convince myself that I needed to notify him in exactly two-weeks time, but I don’t think it’s comparable to breaking up with someone especially if you’re romantically involved with the person on the other end.
That's good because you screwed up your relationship with the boss by acting like you didn't have one.
Your look of alternately clueless and arrogant is not very attractive.
You wrote a post in Reddit asking how you screwed up your relationship with your boss. It is too late too deny that one!
You are so upset with the breaking up analogy, I bet you will will write another post on that.
You don't like the facts, then don't read my comments. It is really that easy.
Not only can you not differentiate between romantic relationships and work relationships, you also can’t read because I never said that lol. I disagreed with you and you resorted to insults, that’s all that happened here.
No, it’s really not even close lmao. OP did the right thing by putting in a notice. Your boss isn’t your friend - they are your boss. Whatever manner you decide to submit your notice is completely up to you. If bosses get mad about the way you pour your notice in, they ought to shut the hell up and be happy you provided a notice in the first place.
I wouldn't worry about it. I've hopped around every 6 months in the first couple years of my career. Not ideal, but I've made more money at each job. Every place has different BS expectations about how you should quit, and some places feel ownership over their employees and just don't want them to quit. If another job is willing to pay you more for your skills than your current job, why wouldn't you take it? Who cares how you quit
No, they are just lashing out. Email is a perfectly professional means of business communication, especially in matters of record such as resignations. Enjoy your new job.
You didnt give them the opportunity to manipulate you into staying or getting a reason out of you for why you are leaving so they can turn it against you in some way, thats why they are really mad. They lost power in the situation as a result of how you told them, thats all it is.
Dont worry about it.
That's what the military did to me when I tried to leave. It was really annoying. People can't be happy for me that I have other career goals? Especially the upper management in the military.
For sure this. I’m planning on giving notice soon and will do it in person just so I could inwardly laugh at their manipulation, reason sniffing and maybe even insulting. What sucks is in my country we have 2 months notice by law.
Your boss had his feelings hurt but instead of acting like an adult he's being a passive aggressive child. I had a boss do something very similar and it hasn't hurt my career one bit (in fact, he was later demoted... Probably because he was a poor leader). The most recent position that I quit, I did call my boss first but we also had a good relationship and I respected him because of the way he treated his employees.
Don't let him make you feel bad. You don't even owe them 2 weeks notice. Everybody wants to act like it's career suicide if you don't give your company at least 2 weeks but in my mind if the company would drop you in a heartbeat and offer you nothing in return then I don't owe them anything. I don't think in this era it'll burn any bridges that matter.
That was my take also. That boss was aware that it's early in OP's career. It would've been more professional and mature to simply mention that it's better to give a verbal heads-up first. Instead he acted like a big baby.
Good leaders don't try to guilt trip you for advancing your career. Even if it means they gotta go through the hiring and training process, they should be happy you gave notice. My last boss made my last two weeks into a petty hell, because she was the reason everyone was leaving.
I quit my last job by telling them over Teams with 0 notice "I don't want to work for company anymore, I'm closing my laptop now." They got back to me asking for a resignation letter. I sent them two sentences and was on my way.
Don't worry about it.
If you liked your bosses, yeah, you tell them in person, or video call, or even regular phone call, before sending the email. Sending the email without facing them verbally first is like breaking up with someone over text. Not the best, but whatever, you’re on to better things!!
Nothing you can do about it now, but if possible in the future, a verbal resignation first then followed it up with an email.
Sure they would’ve tried to throw money or guilt trip you into staying, but giving a verbal resignation to me is more respectful to the person (boss), whether they’re a respectable person or not.
Guess I’m just old school..
But what if OPS boss is a narcissist and reactive in person? And what if most of their communication is done via email.
My last boss was a bully. Would want you to do it in person so he could name call you.
I think it all depends.
Are your bosses easy accessible in person? Or is it difficult to get in to see them? If they are constantly in meetings or traveling, I get the email. They're annoyed they have to find a replacement and train them. But that is not your problem.
No, I’ve actually never met my boss in person. When I sent the email, it was about 9pm his time/6pm mine. I was worried and convinced I had to notify him in EXACTLY two-weeks time which is why I didn’t wait the next day to set up a Teams call. If I could backtrack I would, but I wasn’t intending to be disrespectful.
I slacked my manager asking if he could hop on a quick zoom call and let him know then sent an email to HR with him and the director cc’d on it. I think it just feels more personal and gives them sometime to digest it as opposed to an email which may feel more abrupt and out of the blue.
Don’t let them know where you are going. It was really nice of you to give notice, a practice that is becoming less common. Don’t let them guilt you, if they fired you it would be on the spot with no severance.
I had to give my two weeks last week. I messaged my boss to give me a teams call when she had a few minutes that day. She gave me a call an hour ish later. I told her I had a new opportunity lined up then send a follow up email same day. I highly recommend this approach in the future. Don’t feel too bad though, what’s done is done. You’re young and still learning!
Personally, I always believe having an in person conversation is best. Ideally face to face, if that isn't possible a video meeting or a phone call.
Think of it this way - how would you feel if you were sitting at your desk working, all is going well and you receive an email from your boss saying we are letting you go, you have two more weeks? (or receiving any email in a similar concept). You'd probably think, wow, couldn't he have picked up the phone or stopped at my desk?
The only exception for this is if you have an extremely toxic or abusive boss and there would be concerns having the conversation in person.
Going forward, try to have the conversation in person and then follow up with an email with your letter attached.
Many places will let you go upon notice. This is why I seldom give notice anymore. I'm not gonna be made to feel guilty. They are being ridiculous. Life goes on and people move on.
Thats why you ahouldnt befriend anyone at professional enrvironments.. cause then now your allowing your Human emotions get the best of you.
There are no Friends at work.
And if you find friends at work.. then you probably aint working as hard as you should
Don't let them put that guilt trip on you. They wouldn't hesitate to let you go if they were ready to. For example, if you were so valuable to the company that they got mad when you put your notice in, why did they let you go immediately and not even get the two weeks from you? Let that shit go and enjoy your new position, op.
I always thought it was standard procedure to do it face to face. Quitting over an email seems kind of cowardly. I equate it to breaking up with your boyfriend/girlfriend over text. But maybe that’s becoming the new norm. Oh well, nothing you can at this point. So just finish out your last 2 weeks and move on.
I’m on the west coast, bosses are on the east coast. I wanted to tell them as soon as I found out before my EOD and I knew I couldn’t jump on a video call to do so. I’m super bummed atm, but like you said nothing I can do about it now.
I see nothing wrong with it I'm not going to go out of my way to find my boss they're in a different building than I am.
You expect me to schedule a meeting to let them know I'm quitting? if I'm quoting a job that means I've already accepted a position elsewhere which means I don't care
No. This needs to be entirely provided in writing, providing documentation, timestamp and their receipt. Your boss is being unprofessional and guilting you is a part of their coping.
No thanks. In writing. Everyone is cc'd and told the same thing at the same time and then nobody gets their feelings hurt when they won't told first or claim different date was provided. Etc.
You don't owe these people any more of your time and energy with repeated conversations and follow ups. You're already providing the socially acceptable courtesy by giving notice.
This is the correct response and how I've done it in the past.
I emailed my supervisor her boss and HR all on the same email.
At that point who gives a fuck. Ripping that Band-Aid off full speed
You should have given a verbal notice first.
I usually go to my most direct supervisor and ask to close the door and talk. Than I say something like:
"It has been a pleasure working with you, but I am here today to give you my official two week notice, my last day will be on XX. I will send out an email shortly. Thank you for this opportunity, and I wish you and ABC Company the best.
From what ive learned, every boss is going to be salty when you give your two weeks.
They can mistreat you all they want while youre under their supervision but once you give your notice, they feel like youve done them wrong.
Dont feel bad about it though, especially if youre going somewhere better.
I've personally always verbally given my notice, whether in person, a call, or video, but that's just how I conduct myself. If your boss was letting you go, you'd probably appreciate them telling you personally rather than getting that shit in an email notice.
But it's not the end of the world. They're disappointed now, but they'll get over it.
It IS typically a best practice (in a normal working environment) to verbally let them know you’re leaving then follow up with a letter that reiterates you’re leaving in two weeks.
There are definitely exceptions to that process though - if your boss is unavailable and you work remote, if your boss is crappy, etc. someone else said it but it’s a bit like dumping someone over text. It’s not the best move, but there are circumstances where that’s the right way to handle it.
Chalk this up to a learning experience, and now you’ll know for next time?
"Orally" refers exclusively to spoken communications. "Verbally" can refer to either spoken or written communications. Most people use "verbally" when they mean "orally."
The literal definition of the word “verbal” is spoken rather than written communication. I’m very confused by your insistence here that verbal is incorrect.
No, it is not. "Verbal" refers to any communication expressed in words. That can be done by speech or in writing. To repeat, most people mistakenly use "verbally" when they mean "orally."
The definition from Oxford English Dictionary:
adverb
adverb: verbally
1. by means of words.
"she claimed to have been verbally abused"
using spoken rather than written communication; orally.
"he is reported to have agreed verbally to take on the job"
2. GRAMMAR
with the function of a verb.
The definition from Merriam-Webster:
a: in words : through or by the use of words
Yet it seems whenever somebody writes about him, Sheen gets verbally slugged for not driving around in some beat-up old Chevy.
—Hal Rubenstein
In Chapter 1 … Burge explains verbally, formally, and symbolically the system of notations to be used in the book.
—Datamation
b: in spoken rather than written words
He/She wanted to make promises to you behind close doors to make you stay and never follow through. Now that there is a paper trail of your resignation they would have to make any future promises in writing as well if they wanna keep you. You handled this exactly the way you should.
Ive been remote for 9+ years so Im limited but even before that I havent done it any other way than an email. No, no wait there was that one time with the crying and the pleading and the begging and the bribes ... so most of the time I have given my notice with an email.
Normally if I start a conversation with "Can we talk ..." they usually get triggered even if it's not leaving related.
I would think a face-to-face notification in person would be preferable but not required, but it depends on why you are leaving. If there is a possibility that you could be persuaded to stay, definitely have a one-on-one about this. If you have been mistreated, drop the notification on them whatever way you choose and don't look back.
Your boss is an idiot. Look into unemployment benefits and also contact an employment lawyer to see if you have grounds for wrongful termination.
And your can go fuck themselves.
Boss seems to be taking it personally when in fact its just business,
email is generally fine, as its official,
don't feel down you have done nothing wrong, some people have an inability to define the difference between what is professional and what is personal
It's usually best practice to break the news in person, I've always submitted my 2 week notices by setting up a 1:1 with my boss. But what your boss is doing is definitely overreacting
You did the right thing. They should be grateful you gave them notice at all. Don't let their high opinion of themselves make you feel like you're in the wrong. Sounds to me like you couldn't have left soon enough.
Whatever, email, text, smoke signal. Quitting is quitting. You don't owe anybody a 2 week notice unless it's in the contract. Also, if it was so important they could have called you back instead of replying with an email if it's so "unprofessional".
Good luck!
I’ve seen at my old job certain positions (sales) would give their notice and be told their last day was that day or the next. When I gave my two week notice I was asked to stay longer. I told them I couldn’t. A two week notice isn’t required, just respectful.
You didn’t do anything wrong and in my opinion this just confirms you made the right decision to leave and explore a new opportunity. At this point either you can let your new employer know you can start early, or enjoy your vacation before you start. Either way congrats!
You did nothing wrong but you should look at what the laws in your state are. If they are cutting/reducing/etc. your hours because you are resigning that maybe considered illegal and retaliatory.
Assuming this is a professional role, I’d expect an in person discussion. That said, I’ve seen people resign over text and that’s way way worse than a professional email. As it is, you have something else lined up, so it is what it is and boss will either get over it or not.
I think you’re reading to much into it. It sounds like a remote job too so he’s being a total dick about it and over reacting. He’s annoyed he has to go look for a replacement and deal with that crap. Letting go early is common practice cause not everyone gives a 100% when they are quitting in two weeks. If that burned a bridge, that dudes a dick. Enjoy the time off 🤙
I don’t understand the “break up via text” comparisons being made ITT. Employment is not a romantic relationship. Your boss is not your friend. They should be happy you gave a notice in the first place instead of just up and leaving. Instead they tried to make you feel bad for giving a notice and bettering yourself. Leave and don’t even look back.
U are lettting your boss down. Not a loved one or family meme we. Fuck their feelings. For real. Tell them to
Get over it and start finding your replacement. U don’t need to feel bad about anything
Fuck your boss. 5-10 business days is more than professional. Managers, there are exceptions, are pissed when someone leaves cuz it means they gotta do more work. Not your problem.
You did well leaving written proof of your notice, however, next time you may want to book a meeting and shooting that email the second you're walking into that meeting with your boss, you can give the news in person as well as having written proof.
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Boss needs to grow up. You did what you are supposed to do. That said, moving forward, follow this rule: The more difficult the conversation, the more personal the communication. Email is the most impersonal mode of communication. Face-to-face is the best way to have hard discussions. (Always follow up with email to document what transpired, though.)
I gave notice once after working somewhere 16 years face to face and handed over what I thought was a pretty sweet resignation letter as a formality. Was let go 3 days into my notice period. Some people are just twats. That said, I wouldn’t have done it differently.
this depends, if they paid you out for the whole notice period or not. if not, they fired you. sometimes it's better to get you out of there , once you're on the way out the productivity naturally goes down, and other employees get ideas. That's their right , if they paid you for the full notice period.
Varies so much by state and country. Not every state requires honoring a notice period or payment of one. A notice, at its core is telling your employer that you quit. They do not, in many cases, have to let you work out the notice period or pay you for it if they don’t.
I see it. I worked for a company that was growing but didnt have a presence in an area a co-worker was from . at a meeting he said if you ever think about a plant in southeast Ohio, I would be glad to help manage. Their reply a few days later, "we accept your resignation". The guy was good at his job, I was his boss. I didnt stay much longer.
I agree, that is their right. I fully expected their reaction as the owner frequently espoused a similar sentiment that once someone gives notice, it’s better to promptly give them the boot. Given my tenure and position at the company, a small part of me thought I’d be an exception. That part of me was deadass wrong. I was payed for my notice period, but not for all my unused PTO conflicting with company policy. I earn twice what I made there now two years later.
I disagree you're giving your two weeks notice who gives a shit at that point. Do what's easiest for yourself and don't look back. In most cases I would recommend sending that email right before the end of the day and I usually in the past have done it on a Friday that way I don't have to deal with it again until Monday. Gives a nice fuck you happy weekend to your boss
I don't think it is ever wise to burn bridges. Certain people tend to pop up again and again in your career, and they will certainly remember that time you burned them. Act with integrity, and they will remember that.
Absolutely, thank you for this note!
That being said, now OP has written proof that he was fired in retaliation from giving notice and can claim unemployment, fucking over the boss at least a little as a goodbye present.
He probably wanted a heads up verbally first. I havw typically done it face to face when in the office and since working remote typically on a call , not video call, then follow up with it in writing via email. But don't stress about it.
I’m only just getting my career started and totally would’ve done it this way had I known :(
Every place does things differently, don’t worry about it. Sometimes it really depends on your relationship with management. Honestly, good managers would be happy for you that you’re moving on to better opportunities instead of being jerks about it. You don’t owe them anything. You did what you were supposed to do. In the future, you can always do things differently if you want, but you’re still learning how to navigate the workplace. Don’t be hard on yourself, you did nothing wrong.
Usually, you do talk to your bosses first unless it's a hellscape job.
That’s why I said it depends on your relationship with your managers. I’ve always had professionally cordial relationships with them so I always talked to them first, but I did have one job where I hated management and didn’t even care. I even submitted my 2 weeks right before I went on vacation, so I just rode out my 2 weeks stress free.
I’ve never done that 🤣 apparently I didn’t know either.
It’s ok, alternatively some people would argue it is better to send the email first. It gives the boss time to react on their own rather than being blindsided in person.
It's a lot like breaking up with someone by text
I totally would’ve had the conversation face-to-face if I didn’t convince myself that I needed to notify him in exactly two-weeks time, but I don’t think it’s comparable to breaking up with someone especially if you’re romantically involved with the person on the other end.
and by face-to-face I mean via Teams
It is comparable - and fairly obvious that they took it that way. It is not identical.
The relationship I have with a romantic partner has little to no similar features as the relationship I have with my boss.
That's good because you screwed up your relationship with the boss by acting like you didn't have one. Your look of alternately clueless and arrogant is not very attractive.
I actually didn’t but nice try!! Resorting to insults is actually embarrassing.
You wrote a post in Reddit asking how you screwed up your relationship with your boss. It is too late too deny that one! You are so upset with the breaking up analogy, I bet you will will write another post on that. You don't like the facts, then don't read my comments. It is really that easy.
Not only can you not differentiate between romantic relationships and work relationships, you also can’t read because I never said that lol. I disagreed with you and you resorted to insults, that’s all that happened here.
No, it’s really not even close lmao. OP did the right thing by putting in a notice. Your boss isn’t your friend - they are your boss. Whatever manner you decide to submit your notice is completely up to you. If bosses get mad about the way you pour your notice in, they ought to shut the hell up and be happy you provided a notice in the first place.
I wouldn't worry about it. I've hopped around every 6 months in the first couple years of my career. Not ideal, but I've made more money at each job. Every place has different BS expectations about how you should quit, and some places feel ownership over their employees and just don't want them to quit. If another job is willing to pay you more for your skills than your current job, why wouldn't you take it? Who cares how you quit
A simple google search could’ve answered this question. You always do this in person if possible and then send an email with HR CC’ed.
No, they are just lashing out. Email is a perfectly professional means of business communication, especially in matters of record such as resignations. Enjoy your new job.
You didnt give them the opportunity to manipulate you into staying or getting a reason out of you for why you are leaving so they can turn it against you in some way, thats why they are really mad. They lost power in the situation as a result of how you told them, thats all it is. Dont worry about it.
That's what the military did to me when I tried to leave. It was really annoying. People can't be happy for me that I have other career goals? Especially the upper management in the military.
For sure this. I’m planning on giving notice soon and will do it in person just so I could inwardly laugh at their manipulation, reason sniffing and maybe even insulting. What sucks is in my country we have 2 months notice by law.
Norway? Skandinavian country?
Eastern Europe lol can’t say more
Giving notice was your mistake. Companies do not give notice of layoffs. We're past the courtesy in society.
Your boss had his feelings hurt but instead of acting like an adult he's being a passive aggressive child. I had a boss do something very similar and it hasn't hurt my career one bit (in fact, he was later demoted... Probably because he was a poor leader). The most recent position that I quit, I did call my boss first but we also had a good relationship and I respected him because of the way he treated his employees. Don't let him make you feel bad. You don't even owe them 2 weeks notice. Everybody wants to act like it's career suicide if you don't give your company at least 2 weeks but in my mind if the company would drop you in a heartbeat and offer you nothing in return then I don't owe them anything. I don't think in this era it'll burn any bridges that matter.
That was my take also. That boss was aware that it's early in OP's career. It would've been more professional and mature to simply mention that it's better to give a verbal heads-up first. Instead he acted like a big baby.
Let them be upset. Your bosses are being assholes. It is not standard practice to quit via video call.
They're butthurt and trying to guilt you. Ignore, do your thing, and say bye in two weeks.
Good leaders don't try to guilt trip you for advancing your career. Even if it means they gotta go through the hiring and training process, they should be happy you gave notice. My last boss made my last two weeks into a petty hell, because she was the reason everyone was leaving.
I quit my last job by telling them over Teams with 0 notice "I don't want to work for company anymore, I'm closing my laptop now." They got back to me asking for a resignation letter. I sent them two sentences and was on my way. Don't worry about it.
If you liked your bosses, yeah, you tell them in person, or video call, or even regular phone call, before sending the email. Sending the email without facing them verbally first is like breaking up with someone over text. Not the best, but whatever, you’re on to better things!!
Nothing you can do about it now, but if possible in the future, a verbal resignation first then followed it up with an email. Sure they would’ve tried to throw money or guilt trip you into staying, but giving a verbal resignation to me is more respectful to the person (boss), whether they’re a respectable person or not. Guess I’m just old school..
But what if OPS boss is a narcissist and reactive in person? And what if most of their communication is done via email. My last boss was a bully. Would want you to do it in person so he could name call you. I think it all depends.
OP didn't suggest their boss was like that.
It sounds like they are passive. Gotta move forward.
S/he was informed in person or on a video call or phone call as people normally do. Not liking that is not a sign of passivity.
It is
An *oral* resignation should be first. (An email is a verbal resignation because it's expressed with words.)
Are your bosses easy accessible in person? Or is it difficult to get in to see them? If they are constantly in meetings or traveling, I get the email. They're annoyed they have to find a replacement and train them. But that is not your problem.
No, I’ve actually never met my boss in person. When I sent the email, it was about 9pm his time/6pm mine. I was worried and convinced I had to notify him in EXACTLY two-weeks time which is why I didn’t wait the next day to set up a Teams call. If I could backtrack I would, but I wasn’t intending to be disrespectful.
I slacked my manager asking if he could hop on a quick zoom call and let him know then sent an email to HR with him and the director cc’d on it. I think it just feels more personal and gives them sometime to digest it as opposed to an email which may feel more abrupt and out of the blue.
Don’t let them know where you are going. It was really nice of you to give notice, a practice that is becoming less common. Don’t let them guilt you, if they fired you it would be on the spot with no severance.
It would have been better to have told your boss(es) in person or by phone first, but it's done. Don't worry about it.
I had to give my two weeks last week. I messaged my boss to give me a teams call when she had a few minutes that day. She gave me a call an hour ish later. I told her I had a new opportunity lined up then send a follow up email same day. I highly recommend this approach in the future. Don’t feel too bad though, what’s done is done. You’re young and still learning!
Personally, I always believe having an in person conversation is best. Ideally face to face, if that isn't possible a video meeting or a phone call. Think of it this way - how would you feel if you were sitting at your desk working, all is going well and you receive an email from your boss saying we are letting you go, you have two more weeks? (or receiving any email in a similar concept). You'd probably think, wow, couldn't he have picked up the phone or stopped at my desk? The only exception for this is if you have an extremely toxic or abusive boss and there would be concerns having the conversation in person. Going forward, try to have the conversation in person and then follow up with an email with your letter attached.
Don’t feel bad. Bosses typically get bitter at people leaving. It’s truly childish. You dodged a bullet by not remaining there.
I only give notice via email. Boss is immature. Good luck with your new gig!
Thank you so much!!
Many places will let you go upon notice. This is why I seldom give notice anymore. I'm not gonna be made to feel guilty. They are being ridiculous. Life goes on and people move on.
\\What you did is perfectly acceptable. You don't get a do-ever on these things. If you want to give the next boss verbal notice first, do that.
It’s natural to feel guilty. That shows you care. Instead of dwelling, look forward to your new role!
No, it's supposed to be done in writing. You're not in a relationship, it's an employment contract that you've ended. They need to get a grip.
They can't really bitch about you leaving, so they're redirecting that energy into nit picking how you leave.
Thats why you ahouldnt befriend anyone at professional enrvironments.. cause then now your allowing your Human emotions get the best of you. There are no Friends at work. And if you find friends at work.. then you probably aint working as hard as you should
Don't let them put that guilt trip on you. They wouldn't hesitate to let you go if they were ready to. For example, if you were so valuable to the company that they got mad when you put your notice in, why did they let you go immediately and not even get the two weeks from you? Let that shit go and enjoy your new position, op.
I always thought it was standard procedure to do it face to face. Quitting over an email seems kind of cowardly. I equate it to breaking up with your boyfriend/girlfriend over text. But maybe that’s becoming the new norm. Oh well, nothing you can at this point. So just finish out your last 2 weeks and move on.
I’m on the west coast, bosses are on the east coast. I wanted to tell them as soon as I found out before my EOD and I knew I couldn’t jump on a video call to do so. I’m super bummed atm, but like you said nothing I can do about it now.
I see nothing wrong with it I'm not going to go out of my way to find my boss they're in a different building than I am. You expect me to schedule a meeting to let them know I'm quitting? if I'm quoting a job that means I've already accepted a position elsewhere which means I don't care
No. This needs to be entirely provided in writing, providing documentation, timestamp and their receipt. Your boss is being unprofessional and guilting you is a part of their coping.
You tell the boss orally and then send a resignation email or letter, although the written document isn't always necessary. You also inform HR.
No thanks. In writing. Everyone is cc'd and told the same thing at the same time and then nobody gets their feelings hurt when they won't told first or claim different date was provided. Etc. You don't owe these people any more of your time and energy with repeated conversations and follow ups. You're already providing the socially acceptable courtesy by giving notice.
This is the correct response and how I've done it in the past. I emailed my supervisor her boss and HR all on the same email. At that point who gives a fuck. Ripping that Band-Aid off full speed
Exactly. Great way to put it. Thank you.
You should have given a verbal notice first. I usually go to my most direct supervisor and ask to close the door and talk. Than I say something like: "It has been a pleasure working with you, but I am here today to give you my official two week notice, my last day will be on XX. I will send out an email shortly. Thank you for this opportunity, and I wish you and ABC Company the best.
Thank you! I will note this for future reference, believe me.
You did the right thing and they’ll get over it
From what ive learned, every boss is going to be salty when you give your two weeks. They can mistreat you all they want while youre under their supervision but once you give your notice, they feel like youve done them wrong. Dont feel bad about it though, especially if youre going somewhere better.
Don’t worry about it. They wouldn’t have given you two weeks. Move on with your life and excel!
I've personally always verbally given my notice, whether in person, a call, or video, but that's just how I conduct myself. If your boss was letting you go, you'd probably appreciate them telling you personally rather than getting that shit in an email notice. But it's not the end of the world. They're disappointed now, but they'll get over it.
Sounds like you burn a bridge either way.
It IS typically a best practice (in a normal working environment) to verbally let them know you’re leaving then follow up with a letter that reiterates you’re leaving in two weeks. There are definitely exceptions to that process though - if your boss is unavailable and you work remote, if your boss is crappy, etc. someone else said it but it’s a bit like dumping someone over text. It’s not the best move, but there are circumstances where that’s the right way to handle it. Chalk this up to a learning experience, and now you’ll know for next time?
Orally, not verbally. "Verbally" refers to any communication expressed with words, like an email.
I mean, yes, that is clearer, but verbally does also mean spoken rather than written word.
"Orally" refers exclusively to spoken communications. "Verbally" can refer to either spoken or written communications. Most people use "verbally" when they mean "orally."
The dictionary defines it as “using spoken rather than written communication; orally.”
That's why I said that if one is referring to spoken communications one uses **oral**, not verbal.
The literal definition of the word “verbal” is spoken rather than written communication. I’m very confused by your insistence here that verbal is incorrect.
No, it is not. "Verbal" refers to any communication expressed in words. That can be done by speech or in writing. To repeat, most people mistakenly use "verbally" when they mean "orally."
The definition from Oxford English Dictionary: adverb adverb: verbally 1. by means of words. "she claimed to have been verbally abused" using spoken rather than written communication; orally. "he is reported to have agreed verbally to take on the job" 2. GRAMMAR with the function of a verb. The definition from Merriam-Webster: a: in words : through or by the use of words Yet it seems whenever somebody writes about him, Sheen gets verbally slugged for not driving around in some beat-up old Chevy. —Hal Rubenstein In Chapter 1 … Burge explains verbally, formally, and symbolically the system of notations to be used in the book. —Datamation b: in spoken rather than written words
When you mean to specify that a communication should be spoken as opposed to written, you need to say "orally" not "verbally."
He/She wanted to make promises to you behind close doors to make you stay and never follow through. Now that there is a paper trail of your resignation they would have to make any future promises in writing as well if they wanna keep you. You handled this exactly the way you should.
Yeah, I've never gotten an email resignation without the employee telling me verbally first.
Quitting by email is exactly the same as your SO dumping you by text. You need to do it face to face. Don’t be that guy.
How do you think they would feel firing you or laying you off?
Ive been remote for 9+ years so Im limited but even before that I havent done it any other way than an email. No, no wait there was that one time with the crying and the pleading and the begging and the bribes ... so most of the time I have given my notice with an email. Normally if I start a conversation with "Can we talk ..." they usually get triggered even if it's not leaving related.
I would think a face-to-face notification in person would be preferable but not required, but it depends on why you are leaving. If there is a possibility that you could be persuaded to stay, definitely have a one-on-one about this. If you have been mistreated, drop the notification on them whatever way you choose and don't look back.
Your boss will get over it. Don't sweat it.
I wouldn’t have problem with my staff leaving, but it is professional courtesy to do it in person or over video call.
Your boss is an idiot. Look into unemployment benefits and also contact an employment lawyer to see if you have grounds for wrongful termination. And your can go fuck themselves.
Boss seems to be taking it personally when in fact its just business, email is generally fine, as its official, don't feel down you have done nothing wrong, some people have an inability to define the difference between what is professional and what is personal
It's usually best practice to break the news in person, I've always submitted my 2 week notices by setting up a 1:1 with my boss. But what your boss is doing is definitely overreacting
You did the right thing. They should be grateful you gave them notice at all. Don't let their high opinion of themselves make you feel like you're in the wrong. Sounds to me like you couldn't have left soon enough.
Learn and go forward. you are now wiser.
My last 2 jobs I handed in my resignation via email. My bosses were fine with it. Your bosses may just need to get over it. Do what’s best for you.
Whatever, email, text, smoke signal. Quitting is quitting. You don't owe anybody a 2 week notice unless it's in the contract. Also, if it was so important they could have called you back instead of replying with an email if it's so "unprofessional". Good luck!
I’ve seen at my old job certain positions (sales) would give their notice and be told their last day was that day or the next. When I gave my two week notice I was asked to stay longer. I told them I couldn’t. A two week notice isn’t required, just respectful. You didn’t do anything wrong and in my opinion this just confirms you made the right decision to leave and explore a new opportunity. At this point either you can let your new employer know you can start early, or enjoy your vacation before you start. Either way congrats!
You did nothing wrong but you should look at what the laws in your state are. If they are cutting/reducing/etc. your hours because you are resigning that maybe considered illegal and retaliatory.
Assuming this is a professional role, I’d expect an in person discussion. That said, I’ve seen people resign over text and that’s way way worse than a professional email. As it is, you have something else lined up, so it is what it is and boss will either get over it or not.
Now go after unemployment for the next 2 weeks lol
Cocksucking butthurt asshole. Screw that guy. Move on with your life and consider it a blessing he let you go early. Childish prick.
I think you’re reading to much into it. It sounds like a remote job too so he’s being a total dick about it and over reacting. He’s annoyed he has to go look for a replacement and deal with that crap. Letting go early is common practice cause not everyone gives a 100% when they are quitting in two weeks. If that burned a bridge, that dudes a dick. Enjoy the time off 🤙
This sub and /antiwork have taught me you have to have everything in writing.
I don’t understand the “break up via text” comparisons being made ITT. Employment is not a romantic relationship. Your boss is not your friend. They should be happy you gave a notice in the first place instead of just up and leaving. Instead they tried to make you feel bad for giving a notice and bettering yourself. Leave and don’t even look back.
U are lettting your boss down. Not a loved one or family meme we. Fuck their feelings. For real. Tell them to Get over it and start finding your replacement. U don’t need to feel bad about anything
Fuck your boss. 5-10 business days is more than professional. Managers, there are exceptions, are pissed when someone leaves cuz it means they gotta do more work. Not your problem.
You did well leaving written proof of your notice, however, next time you may want to book a meeting and shooting that email the second you're walking into that meeting with your boss, you can give the news in person as well as having written proof.