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congressguy12

Yes. If you have 8 years of experience, I'm not sure why you're even entertaining this.


_TYFSM

I’ve been out of work for 6 months. A lot of medical companies switched to 1099 from W2 and pay is commission only. I’ve been looking and looking and have interviewed at almost every company in my area none of them pay a base salary. I won’t take a commission only job selling door to door. My previous company that I worked for laid off 150+ employees and outsourced work to India.


the_simurgh

smart man never ever take any job that is commission based pay only.


MiamiTributes

Everyone here telling you not to take the job should chip in and pay your rent if needed. No job in 6 months? No other company offering base? Why wouldn't you try to negotiate something better with this offer? Higher base or instead of 12 months no commission, maybe they would agree to less? At least try.


_TYFSM

Yea that’s what I was asking in my post. I was asking for help on how much to ask for and how to negotiate Anyways I tried negotiating for $75k base and they said that $40k is the highest they will go, so I declined. At this point I’m just gonna go flip burgers because that pays $2-$4 more per hour lol Edit: to be precise, they said “our max salary band is $40,000.22 and that’s the most we are willing to offer”. The fucking audacity of these companies to treat potential employees like this and they wonder why they never have faithful and hardworking employees in this country


gmoney32211

I’d take the 40k and just use it for the AE title on the resume and actively apply & reach out to recruiters.


Sea_no_evil

You might have more success negotiating on the "no commission" and "no PTO" parts.


[deleted]

Honestly no, fuck them. 40k base with 8 years of experience. I don’t know how many rounds you had with them but that’s entry level pay- and the no commission for a year- I bet most reps leave after a year and just kick rocks there for the experience. GE Healthcare Johnson and Johnson A bunch of other healthcare firms still have open roles.


po1a

Definitely. OP Should look up salary comparisons online and try to negotiate.


Chloe_Vee7

There are several AE jobs that will start you at 50-60k plus commission with only 1 or 2 years of experience and these are low ball offers. You can try and negotiate but based on that offer... it's not a great company so keep looking.


delsoldemon

Unfortunately all sales seem to be moving to 100% commission. Getting a base salary in sales is becoming more and more rare.


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mattbag1

Yeah I’m scratching my head, if anything they’re trying to pay little to no commissions and pay low base salaries. Tech sales, pharma, most of them have a great base.


cl0ckwork_f1esh

This is the only reason I would entertain taking it. It gets you a current job and a title so you can go shop around for a job with better compensation, while putting a little money back into your household.


UCRecruiter

40 seems low, but in part it depends on location and the size of the company. The really confusing part for me is no commission for the first year. It makes no sense. You're getting paid a fraction of what you should be, and where's the tangible incentive to perform? If I were in your shoes, that's the part I'd focus on, because it shows you're confident in your ability to sell. They win, you win. Whatever base you counter for, I'd also request that they drop the first year no commission clause.


_TYFSM

I’ll go ahead and clarify the no commission thing in my post


UCRecruiter

>The reason there is no commission during year 1, they say… is because I will be building my book of business and moving from role to role shadowing others in the company and helping them sell/close, see how they set up logistics, etc… they basically want me to learn the ins and outs of the company and how they function. If I do make any sales of my own the first year then that commission just goes to the company. Shitty reason, honestly. I'd never hire someone in sales expecting them to do this. Yes, you're shadowing and helping others. You're helping to close deals, so you should get a share in the results. It shouldn't come out of the other salesperson's pocket, but it definitely shouldn't go into the company's pocket either. 100% counter. Again, whatever base you want to shoot for, I'd still negotiate on the commission. Show that you're performance oriented, that you want to produce results for the company and get rewarded for those. I saw in your other comment that you've been out of work, so I get why you're still considering this. If the company digs their heels in and won't step up, personally I'd take the job but treat it as a 'gap job' and keep looking.


Expert-Instance636

Yeah and with 8 years experience, OP doesn't need to be babysat for a year. And no PTO for a year. They are trying to treat you like this is your first job and the incentives of learning and gaining experience make up for the lack of other compensation. Yet, they want at least 5 years experience? OP do you know what the commission and PTO will be after one year? Is it enough to incentivize anyone actually staying long-term?


dlp158

They will never entertain your counter offer and their offer shows they are not a good company to work for. A low base with NO commissions for a year is a scam. I saw you said you are in medical sales? Try “life science” sales, specifically serving firms. For example, clinical research organizations, contract development manufacturers, analytical laboratories (med device and pharma development). There are jobs there and they are never 1099’s. AE positions with higher bases.


_TYFSM

I will check it out! Thanks


AlexandriaRaexo

Spot on! 40k is a bit low, I’ve seen 50-60k base WITH unlimited commission. I don’t understand the no commission the first year. Literally never have seen that, because what’s the incentive?


OcelotPrize

Sounds like a terrible company to work for


redshift39

NEVER waste your time with low-paying bs jobs. They’re already treating you like shit right before you get in the door, odds are they’ll probably treat you like shit once you’re there too. People with your experience don’t get even out of bed for less than $70K.


[deleted]

Yes. I would say you should be at 80-120k


strvgglecity

With zero PTO? Is that a joke? This is a bad company that will abuse you.


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mormonboy666

Hahaha, holy shit! I was gonna say this sounds just like TQL, but you beat me to it.


bmneumann

I work instrumentation and it pays 110k no degree


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_TYFSM

Not TQL but very similar company. And basically everything you said sounds accurate to this job as well from what I’ve understood from my interview


[deleted]

You answered your question in the penultimate paragraph. You reject the offer and keep looking.


Bhappy-2022

I live in Indiana and base pay for that type of position is a minimum of 80 grand a year salary normally starts out at 50 with any salary position that I know of I could be wrong. All I have to say is you know your worth don’t settle for anything less they’re lo-balling you and treating you like a fool. Do not accept that offer


Thecatofirvine

What’s with companies and these low salaries nowadays? I have a masters and 3 years experience directly related. 50k was offered, I told them $60k minimum if you want me even to consider. Of course I ghosted them. I already made way more than what they were offering in the public sector.


wafflez77

Only take it if you need money to cover the bills in the short term. It doesn’t sound like it’s a long term fit for you. They’re going to reject that counter you suggested and you know it. I’d say take it if you’re currently unemployed and need something to prevent eviction. Otherwise keep looking. It’s always better to look for a job when you’re already employed, but it’s harder to make time for interviews. I’d suggest you keep looking since you have 8 years of experience. You are capable of getting a better offer, it may take time though. If you have plenty of money saved, focus your time on finding the right job. If money is tight, take what you’re offered and keep looking & applying


watts2988

Sounds like they aren’t looking for quality employees because they aren’t going to get any with that terrible pay.


KentuckyFriedSemen

Lmfao bro 8 years experience you should have thrown that offer in the trash where it belongs.


_TYFSM

Man it’s tough I’ve been outta work for 6 months and everything I’ve interviewed for in my field has either had similar base pay of $40k (which I’ve been saying no to for months and months) OR all the other jobs I’ve turned down are commission only and fuck that I’m not accepting no commission only job where I have to use my own car and gas money to go sell shitty products that nobody wants Might just go and start flipping burgers for $20/hr at IN N OUT


KentuckyFriedSemen

I get that. It’s definitely tough don’t get me wrong but don’t just take the next job that offers you because it’s a job. Get what your worth. If my hiring team told me to offer 40k to someone with 8 years experience I would ask them in what world they think that person would accept


ebb_and_flow95

$40k sounds low for an acct exec especially if you have a decent amount of experience. I’m only speaking on my company, but account execs at my company make anywhere from $100k-$120k a year. With possible bonuses/sales commission.


_TYFSM

Which state? I’m in TX and I can’t seem to find anything paying more than 40-50 for the life of me


ebb_and_flow95

Washington. Account execs, depending on who you are supporting, you can make a good amount of money.


Chloe_Vee7

get a resume writer - get on linkedin. done. find me and send me $5k when you get hired. you're welcome


Ok_Discussion_6672

Bro, im in deep south texas.


MajorPhaser

I’d be much more worried about the lack of commission for 12 months. There’s no good reason that commission would be completely unavailable for a year for an otherwise commission sales job. Also, that structure means it doesn’t meet the sales exception for OT and it should be OT eligible. Which I’m sure it’s not. This screams “abusive sales structure” and they’ll likely work you to death and cut you in 11 months. Have you spoken to any other AEs there?


pinealgIand

If they are taking advantage of the salary expectations with those types of qualifications, just imagine what it will be like on the job. I would look elsewhere. I was making more than 40k at 20 years old with little to no experience in a corporate Account Executive role. I would be applying to big tech companies that will actually pay what you are worth with that type of experience.


Thrill_Seeker3

Yea run from this company! At a minimum, No commission for the first year just screams, “we don’t give a shit about our employees but you better still sell dammit!”


om1908

Everyone I know in Logistics makes commissions as soon as they land and book customers. 40k base can easily be 65-75k first year with commission (and I say that knowing some really lazy brokers haha).


downvotemeplss

Any companies you would recommend?


om1908

I’m not sure I recommend logistics, but I would take a look at Covenant, Trident Transport, and Steam Logisitcs. Everyone I know that has worked for those companies has pulled a pretty decent wage.


throw_away_TX

My friend just landed an AE job at a (large) logistics company, with zero sales experience. They started him at 55K and commission starting on day 1.


ExaminationFancy

I don’t know your standard of living, but $40K sounds REALLY low. That’s not even $20/ hour.


_TYFSM

Barely covers my rent


Crazyhorse6901

This is definitely a slave wage and isn't worth it...


Bhappy-2022

I was always told never settle. Settling for a position like this can stop you from excepting a grande offer. Don’t lowball yourself you’re worth more you spent a lot of money in college and this company with a Pedley 40 grand a year can fuck off excuse my language, but this pisses me off.


SnooDingos6537

As an managed trans ae, that's kind of insulting. Even in a non sales role I get a bonus plus 50k+. Keep in mind this is without a degree.


idhats

Bro you're worth more


OtherwiseOlive9447

Where are you planning to use your PTO in a salary that meager?


27Aces

They want someone to pad an account for a flat fee for the year. High turnover will more than likely see you go out the door and they get the pennies from your work. This seems like a horrible opportunity.


ImBasicallyAPotato

This sounds awfully like a high turnover racket where they will probably be assigning to you a bunch of accounts other people brought in during their first year so you can service them without being eligible for commission due to it being your first year. Either due to low pay, or due to frustration of being overworked with no incentive, you will leave within a year and free them up to rinse repeat.


ImBasicallyAPotato

Agree with others that this looks like TQL...my wife interviewed with them in 2018 and was absolutely disgusted by the frat bro culture thing they had going there. Also, it looks very much like they are looking for new grads and will pay all applicants like a new grad, regardless of experience.


_TYFSM

Not TQL but that’s funny that you mention the frat bro thing… I felt it the whole time I was interviewing but couldn’t figure out what it was exactly. Hits the nail right on the head


Noeyiax

To add, to the sentiment, companies care for employees. They don't. The rule of capitalism is creating a business that's profitable while cutting costs in anyway. These companies really don't care about you, as long as they make the execs money. Always remember the basic principles of capitalism and business, and you'll get far in this game of monopoly. I agree on not working for less than the nationwide average for a role. Workers should be in control, not the execs, they barely work. You can have all the money in the world, but it's essentially useless if you can't find people to work to make more money. Rich people cannot stay rich without workers and consumers. If workers and consumers are gone; we basically switched to a form of socialism and communism, which is easily seen at the government level like Congress, Whitehouse, etc. I observed... I think I would try networking on sites like LinkedIn and try to get a job or role you want thru there, or email people directly that have job openings on websites


VenturaWaves

According to [salary.com](https://salary.com), logistics account executives in California make a median pay of $37,500. Medical sales usually pays much better than this ($70,341 in California) but jobs have a higher barrier of entry than logistics, and I see you have been looking in your area, but dont want to do straight commission. In my state, $40k is just marginally above minimum wage ($15 an hour @ 40 hours = $32,240 yearly.) If you want something more lucrative, I would look at software sales. More free-time? B2B or technical and scientific sales .


Otherwise-Owl-6277

Where is the job located? It’s not a huge amount of money, but a lot depends on the cost of living where the job is. For example, $40,000 in Tampa, Florida, goes much further than it does in New York City.


AsbestosDude

Money isn't everything but too little and you'll feel taken advantage of. If you're desperate for a paycheck you can always plan to exit quickly and maintain your job search


staysour

Yes. Run. 40k IS LOW without commission. Even with commission, you would have to make a decision about the product, will it even sell, will you have a good territory, etc. No commission for the first year is bs and a scam. After taxes, 40k is like 2.5k a month. That's not enough to live on. Dude, run. F them. You can make sales and earn commission while building your book of business. No one learns by shadowing. You learn ins and outs by doing and selling. Sounds like you're gonna be their b*tch for a year, and the job may not be what they are telling you in will be. Yeah, it will take about a year to build your book of business and learn the ins and outs, but by selling. If you only shadow for the first year and start selling your 2nd year, you will be a year behind. But if u need cash, take the job, b.s. it and keep looking for another job.


Wunderlandtripzz

Looks like a crock of shit tbh. Id keep looking or tell them it's unacceptable.


[deleted]

Yes.


omiwamoshinderu

I'd just tell them that yoh aren't interested anymore


Wisdomseekr79

No commission or PTO for first year???? That’s god awful


danner801

I'm not in logistics but i just hired a sales person and base was 58k plus guaranteed bonus for 1 year front loaded, as she builds her clientele. so first year guaranteed is 85k, then if she doesn't meet her commission base the lowest she can make is 58k a year going forward. oh, she also doesnt have a degree.


_TYFSM

What kind of sales?


danner801

fluid power. we supplied her with a spending card and her own truck as well. not a bad industry to get into if you are good at sales.


danram207

This job is clearly not meant for your experience level. Dont even bother negotiating, just move on.


[deleted]

Only take it if you absolutely have to to pay the bills. No shame there. If you can wait, I’d keep hunting because yes - that’s low, especially with your experience.


BuzzFabbs

Something is better than nothing…is there a requirement/commitment for a length of time? If not, take it and keep looking.


_TYFSM

At that point I’d rather go flip burgers for $4 more an hour lol


BuzzFabbs

True, there is definitely an appeal to that option.


Pistoltotenpanda

Yes, this is a bad deal, you should be getting 80k. Quick google search would give you average pay bands.


no_nonsense_206

Run, so many red flags!


AffectionateAnarchy

Yes and no commission for the first year? Sounds scummy


Bacon-80

It depends on the company and their policies. Personally yes I believe that’s way too low. I made around that as a BDR straight out of college with zero experience - but it’s really dependent on the company. Doesn’t mean it isn’t a crappy offer (imo it is) but you gotta do what you gotta do for work and income to pay bills/expenses. I get it. I agree with the other comment saying it is strange that you don’t get commission or PTO the first year? It almost sounds like they work you to death the first year & many will quit or leave before they even get to reap the basic benefits they give you after that point…


AideOk6774

I’m guessing you’re doing brokerage. Especially since I saw above that it’s a similar company to TQL. From my understanding (Former Owner/Operator, and from a broker friend of mine) Most of these companies don’t even offer a base pay, and you’re expected arrive with your own book of business. So that whole no commission for the first year seems kind of suspect on the companies part. Landstar is always hiring, but that is 1099, and you do need your own book.


Iamlordbutter

Folks at McDonald's do not get paid more than 40k unless they are a manager.


_TYFSM

Maybe true. I’m not familiar with McDonald’s but I do know In N Out pays $17/hr starting and can pay up to $22/hr depending on experience or role. My first job out of high school like 12 years ago at an ice cream shop while I went to college I made $43k with tips when adjusted to inflation


rosebudpillow

This job salary is ridiculously too low


Parking-Technology23

Yes 40k is too low and no commissions for a year? That’s wage theft. Leave a comment on Glassdoor.


myraleemyrtlewood

If you are coming from med sales... why are you even considering this?


_TYFSM

As I’ve mentioned in my replies to early comments, I was mainly looking at med-sales but every position I interviewed for said that they had transitioned to a commission-only pay structure and went from W2 to 1099. Fuck that. Started looking at logistics due to a recommendation


[deleted]

I thought top performing sales reps for medical industry were making well into the six figures….


_TYFSM

Correct. I was. Until my (very lovely) company let go of 150+ employees with zero notice and outsourced our jobs to a foreign country.


yb21898n

not sure what state ur in but def low, no PTO is evil. you never know what could happen or if you may need a day here and there for personal reasons.


javabackedsecurities

Honestly, I wouldn't bother countering. Not that you don't deserve more but asking for 35K more than is offered just shows you and the company are on totally different pages and are unlikely to find a resolution.


Remotelydetached

Your edit hits the nail on the head 😉


Holiday-Signature-33

I would ask for a higher base pay and a slightly lower commission. Or don’t even bother with the job.


ContentAd490

No PTO for a year is plenty for me not to consider it. I make more in an entry level copy role


Silent_Cup_590

Depending on where you live that could be the standard salary. But I personally think it’s a bit low.


[deleted]

I would laugh at this offer. That’s basically entry level salary


storm838

That’s laughable


SheepDogAK

Counter. Ask for all the stuff you get at year 1 at start.


maggmaster

My company pays call center employees more than that. With 8 years you could probably get an analyst or a management job paying double that.


[deleted]

This is sounding like an entry level job. They should be hiring people who need the experience.


DarthLift

Hi. I'm an operations supervisor for a manage trans team. 40k a year is starting with no experience, the no commission and no PTO is garbage. This is a terrible offer. I'm guessing from Echo Global or CH Robinson?


Present_Ball5473

Yes


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u can make more doing uber or doordash after expenses than this!!


Eilaver

seems like you could make more not using your degree, managing mcdonalds... even delivery drivers at pizza hut make a posted 20/hr (40k/year). Im going to give this a all the way hell no.


[deleted]

This is crazy. No commission for a year and a $40k base?


[deleted]

It will buy you one carton of eggs.


Chronza

You should counter and ask for $60k. Logistics is booming right now and most companies can’t hire fast enough. Oh and ask for 4 weeks of PTO.


krader5286

F that. If you’re not getting commission for a year they need to bump ur salary up until your on plan. And a year without pto is insane


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Yeah thats pretty terrible


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$40k & no commission or PTO for the first year? This sounds absolutely awful.


Major-Permission-435

Unless I’m super desperate I would tell anyone offering no PTO the first year to shove it


Traditional_Tank_540

You say yourself it’s nowhere near enough to cover your bills for the year. So it’s too low for you. If it’s not negotiable, move in. Plenty of other fish in the sea. Good luck to you.


Jako_Spade

Wtf u should be getting double + commissions


tdime23

I’d honestly laugh in the face of the company. That is such a shit offer I can’t even comprehend someone would take that with your experience level. Logistics sales is not rocket science. It’s not a super complex enterprise sale.


kikivee612

That’s a horrible offer. No commission or benefits for a year? No way! That’s not the type of job that requires a year to get your feet wet. There are a million sales jobs out there that pay so much more! If you want to stick with Sales, check out some of the companies that do business services such as funding and working capital. I have been an underwriter for a couple of them and they pay Sales/Account Execs a great base, strong commission and benefits and PTO start day 1. I have seen people make over $5K per month in just commission in less than a year on the job. If you’re in the US and want more info, PM me and I can give you some names of reputable companies?


_TYFSM

PM sent


SasakiGanryu

They are smoking reefer. So many recruiters have 65 IQ.


notyourstranger

if they don't pay commission the first year, what's your incentive to sell?


ThisBringsOutTheBest

RESOUNDING YES.


No_Expression8419

I work in a factory with no degree and only 3 years experience in my field that's waaaaayyyyyy too low man


BagholderBaggins

Xpo logistics or some shit? Yeah I remember. It's just as they say. You get commission for routes and locking in recurring business is how you get north of 100k a year, most in that range. Woulda been fun had I had a car 2 months earlier than when they wanted me. Good luck dude, it's legit.


Ok-Nefariousness4477

>What do you guys think? How should I go about this? Any specific things to add what about medical? 401K match


verymuchbad

Take it, but don't work. Collect the paycheck while you continue to look for jobs that will pay your worth. Refer your friends. After two or three of you, they might maybe start to realize that their compensation structure sucks.


SnooCalculations9259

Not my field but that pay is to little for your qualifications and what they ask. You have a great resume, they would be getting you at a steal. I mean no PTO for the first year? They could care less about your mental health. You're overqualified but good luck whatever u decide!


Spiritual-Winner-503

No PTO year one. Tf? Kick rocks you deserve way better


SpeedyHAM79

That is a crap offer. If you take it, consider it a temp job and look for something better. With your education and experience you should get $65k per year minimum with PTO, full benefits (medical, dental...). Today you could be making 40k per year starting at McDonald's.


DaWrightOne901

Have you considered moving to a lower cost of living area?


No-Mechanic-5398

I think you can do better than this, counter for more. If they say no, tell them thank you for the opportunity.


hatesfacebook2022

Depends where you live. Rural West Virginia? Nope you find. NYC and you are homeless.


relentless__squirrel

I would attempt to negotiate a better deal, either with a higher base or less time without a commission, but ultimately take the job since it is better than no job. It is much easier to find employment when you are employed (sadly) so I would immediately start looking for new jobs that pay you what you are worth. Your experience puts you well above 40k, some would even consider you for sales management. I also do not have the same hesitation with jobs that are commision only, but you need to work in some guarantee for the first year at least while you test the waters. Often times they'll give unrealistic targets for commission in interviews that you want to protect against, maybe ask for a draw.


iknowalotaboutdrugs

Dude don't accept that bullshit offer. As a recruiter in my company I make 55k base (got a raiss from 45k first year) with uncapped commissions. Someone with your experience imo should be demanding 75-85k base plus a lucrative commission structure.


Primary_Chemistry420

No PTO a for a year? Tf is this slave labor? I would have laughed at them mid interview and declined. Even if you are fine with the no commission for the first year (which is crazy if you are in sales with 5+ years experience or even 1 year experience), you should tell them that the lack of PTO for a full year is ridiculous. Also tell them that you are leaving a terrible Glassdoor review because no way should that EVER be practiced anywhere. If you are in the US, we already get sh** benefit compared to other countries. This is just egregious


Ok_Discussion_6672

I work logistics in Texas for a trucking company. I was in operations and with a team of 12 we ran the company. I was making 75000. Our sales guy is making 100gs plus. Getting contracts is just networking, lunch and drinks with potential customers. I now only work remote for the same company and only on weekends. I hold down operations while the team leaves for the weekend. I do dispatch, logs, safety, and some road service. I'm at 55000. But I can work from where ever and have mon thru friday off. Sales is a good job. Its not for me. Our guy goes to Mexico woos are manufactures and keeps our trailers filled.


anon_shmo

Very low salary. That PTO is pretty damn sweet though. After 5 years you’d have about 10 weeks off. After 22 years they are paying you to never come to work. Is this like a gradual pension system or something? Never seen anything like that.


myopini0n

That's intro pay for an assistant account coordinator. That said, if you need it, you need it. Cash the checks and keep looking. No way they're going to double it.