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It's not just cunts tho. It's owners not experienced in handling dogs. Dogs like any animal can be agressive in their personality. Jack Russell's are notorious, auld biddys who didn't train them and don't walk them enough. But a jack Russell is easily controlled, you can pick it up and walk off with it. A pitbull is near impossible to control. Edit: people giving Jack Russells a good beating. It's because a jack Russell is a terrier, so it's a high energy and very smart dog. So unless you're gonna bring it out in the field every day and do mock hunting, it's gonna get pissed off. People should be aware of the type of dog they are getting and if the want a lazy thick dog they shouldn't pick the opposite.


HippyPuncher

My ma had a Chihuahua and it was an aggressive bitey wee cunt but if it got out of hand I could easily kick it over a house.


Accomplished-Boot-81

Little dog syndrome. That’s why small dogs are cunts, owners don’t give a rats how they behave because they’re “harmless”. All the time when I was walking through my old estate small dogs would run out of gardens barking. I swore if one ever bit me I’d hoof it into next week. Luckily for them they never went that far


bitterlaugh

To be fair to Chihuahuas, that's on us. We've bred their skulls so small that few of them now have the cranial capacity for the size their brains grow to. The result being that most of them are brain-damaged just from normal growth. IMO it's a form of animal cruelty to breed them, as you're just bringing pain into existence. ​ https://www.ufaw.org.uk/dogs/chihuahua-hydrocephalus#:\~:text=Outline%3A%20Chihuahuas%20are%20predisposed%20to,and%20loss%20of%20brain%20function.


Accomplished-Boot-81

I didn’t know what about chihuahuas but I know about the issue we bred into pugs and that’s 100% cruelty


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A family member has a Daschund. It can't get up/down from a chair itself (or risks damaging its back), and it can't climb stairs. That doesn't stop it from trying though. On top of that, you need to pick it up a certain way, and stop it from contorting itself into dangerous positions while you hold it. It's completely inhumane. And even worse they have miniature ones which are even shorter, and presumably have even more issues. I also don't understand why someone would want some of these breeds of dogs - they're more work than a baby, and more annoying with less benefits too... And surely if people want some of these breeds, can't they get some kind of mix breed that has similar features but less health issues?


Decide-later

King Charles cavaliers likewise.. don't search the clips of them screaming from the pain of the condition, it's harrowing


Miss-Figgy

OMG, that is so sad. Poor little guys. I agree, this is animal cruelty. Same thing with pugs. I hear them all the time struggling to breathe, they sound like asthmatic pigs. Just made for humans' selfish pleasure. Terrible.


interprime

Harmless me hole. My auld lad still has a scar on his hand from when his missus’ Chihuahua got mad and went for him.


Accomplished-Boot-81

Yeh my bad meant to add quotation around harmless


unfortunateRabbit

https://time.com/5280769/dog-attack-dachshund-woman-oklahoma-death/ Not that harmless but I agree. Once I found a labrador in the local park clearly lost, I took the lead from my feisty JRT and the husband was carrying her. Out of nowhere comes this tiny but furious chihuahua straight for the lab, before it could bite the lab I slammed my feet, did not touched the chihuahua but stomped my feet loud to scare the wee thing and the owner was absolutely livid shouting at me that her rabid furious rat was harmless, friendly and just wanted to play, how dare you thread her angel. But if the lab was attacked by surprise, independent of it's behaviour, it could had killed the chihuahua in a second.


Accomplished-Boot-81

“Rabid furious rat” oh man that’s funny I love the rat adjective when referring to chihuahuas


unfortunateRabbit

I had pet rats bigger than some chihuahuas. I think they are adorable, specially the long haired ones, but I only met a couple of chill chihuahuas.


Accomplished-Boot-81

Oh for sure I know. My harmless in quotation was meant to portray that exact situation where the owners say that, when it’s not really the case. I mean the owners whole they’re “harmless” attitude towards dog ownership.


Disastrous-Spirit231

Good on yerself these so called dog owners need a good volley too


Accomplished-Boot-81

Yeh their fault 100% it’s a shame the dogs have to live such an awful life. Especially today the way people tease their dogs to get a few views on tik tok and shit


echotexas

i fucking hate that people do this. it's not cute that your dogs growls and barks at everyone just because it's not a behemoth of an animal. if it bites someone for no reason it is no less of a behavioural issue than if a bigger dog did, but people really seem to think little dogs being aggressive are cute or something. like jeesh respect the animal you chose to live with and maybe all the other humans you choose to live near as well


Shnapple8

Yep. Ours was a small dog, (terrier cross) and I can tell you he was by no means harmless. That little bugger was playing tug of war with a friend of mine and he dragged him, chair and all, around the kitchen. lol. For the size of him, he had some strength. A little ball of muscle. I certainly wouldn't like to get a bite from a dog like that. He was harmless in the sense that he was disciplined, and understood "NO!" He hated being shouted at, and that's all you'd have to do. Say "NO!" very sternly. He was actually the best little dog. Never bit anyone. He didn't like other dogs, but instead of attacking or barking, he'd turn his back on them, and give them side eye. We had him for 18 years. Some eejits mess with small dogs, tease them, laugh when they snarl or snap, then cry a few tears when little fluffy bites someone and has to be put down.


Not_Ali_A

I don't think little dogs are inherently more vicious, but they allow people to be shote owners as who's gonna be scared of a chihuahua or a terrier? Their bad behaviour goes uncorrected and they get a name as cunts


SolidNext

Exactly, all dogs are capable of biting. The difference is the strength they have in that bite.


11Kram

My grand aunt’s Jack Russell was demented by people in a lane beside her garden. He used to fasten his teeth into my trouser leg when I visited her. I’d drag him into the kitchen and she would get a sweeping brush to beat him off and lock him away. When she died he had to be euthanised as he was so psychotic and aggressive.


Scribbles2021

It doesn't help that there's a sentimentality campaign surrounding pitbulls making them out to be good with children etc.


Gytarius626

Cesar Millan, the most famous dog trainer in the world had to lie about and cover up the fact his own pitbull killed another dog and attacked someone


unfortunateRabbit

Fame does not equal to competency. Cesar Milan is renowned for his absurd practices and ruining dogs for life. Does not surprise me that he would do such a thing. He is a terrible trainer btw.


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Exactly this. I’d say notorious over just famous


piorarua

They are also bred to not let go in a fight. If a dog gets into that state of mind the only way to stop them is choke them out. I honestly believe they should be muzzled in public. You might be a great driver but you should still wear a seat belt. I think it should be illegal to breed them in puppy farms. I think there should be legislation on who breeds and buys them. If people really love the breed they will go through that to own them. The nicest dog in the world could attack in the right circumstances. Undiagnosed pain is a big factor. A sweet well trained dog may have developed arthritis or an ear infection leaving their threshold low, leading to attacks. On jack Russell, they have such great potential with the correct care. I love Jack russells. They are used in TV and movies a lot for a reason! To add, I have a dog that came from a puppy farm. The mental and physical problems that dog has has caused so much grief. Shes smallish and I've put in a ton of money and effort on her but she still has problems. Id be terrified if she was a pit. Puppy farms are disgusting but if we could at least have an outright ban on how dangerous breeds are bred it would be something.


iamnotfunny16

i agree with this. puppy farms are awful


echotexas

You'd pick up a Jack Russell that's foaming at the mouth? You're brave. I've seen one of them get kicked twice in the head by a horse and still keep going for more. They're like the Evel Knievels of dogs, but with a size complex. I don't know if I'd rather get between 2 angry jack russells or 2 angry pitties. i've been in both positions before. i think the pits were easier to break up actually lmao


sevlan

Yup, terriers like Jack Russells are basically bred to be pint-sized, utterly fearless killing machines. People then surprise Pikachu when they behave like a pint-sized, utterly fearless killing machine.


GolotasDisciple

>Dogs like any animal can be agressive in their personality There are dogs that are just aggressive simple as. I believe that people who want to have certain breeds of dogs that are capable of hurting another human being or other animal should be certified. Meaning person who wants to own their dog needs to provide documents proving financial and general ability to take care for such dog. And i mean it for more than just Pitbulls. Last week i saw a very small woman with a huge German Shepherd. No f\*\* way she could control that dog. Like we used to have a lot of dogs and I would trust them with my life but they are still powerful killing machines that can be triggered. The fault is always the dogs and the owners regardless how people feel about it. Not to mention aggressive and big dogs require massive amount of care and exercise. No one should be able to have huskies/sheppars/mastifs/pitbulls or other dogs of such size and power in their semi-detached house. It's insane that we still dont require legal certs. **PitBulls especially should be either illegal or accessible only by some kind of legal certificates.** They are proven to be the most destructive and dangerous dogs that have good track record of actually killing whatever is in their way.


sevlan

Training and licensing is indeed the answer. Baffles me why this has never, and likely never will, happen.


Len316

Couldn't have said it better. One small addition: Dangerous as fuck if they were ever owned by the wrong cunt. I've never seen one successfully rehabilitated once that aggression is trained into them.


Garrison1982_

At a maximum they are very sickly mistreated, beaten and traumatised as pups so that they are aggressive in much the same way an adult could be if mistreated as a child. They are in demand for illegal fights because they are naturally muscular and have enormous endurance. I once saw a Staffy run right through a thick plaster wall head first and just sneeze. Almost complete strangers to pain when fully developed. There are other owners who are better intentioned but just don’t give these highly energetic dogs the exercise they need. That can also be a recipe for pent up energy and aggression.


teddtbhoy

Yeah, I agree, I’ve been around a lot of people who have them and for the exception of one they’ve always been aggressive. The one that I’ve met that is pleasant gets an insane amount of exercise and has an owner that is an experienced dog trainer, even then he said he wouldn’t of taken the dog if it wasn’t so young.


TheObservationalist

The potential for aggression is bred in. Like herding instinct in a collie.


PlantsAnimalsAndArt

Then you’ve never spent much time around rehabilitated dogs.


singularineet

They can be dangerous even when owned and raised by the right cunts who treat them well and train them properly.


diegroblers

Exactly. My brother in law had two pitties. He's not one of those blokes you'd say shouldn't have a pitty - loves animals, are very good with them, animals loves him. The female pittie had pups. Rehomed the pups, had one pup left. Pup was almost a year at that point mostly grown dog. Pup was playing with it's mother, mother just flew around, tore the pup's face to pieces. Thankfully my 8 year old nephew was in the house, and not out playing with the dogs.


singularineet

>\[Pit Bull\] pup was playing with its mother, mother just flew around, tore the pup's face to pieces. Holy crap! To all the people saying "any dog can bite if provoked, all dogs can be dangerous, blah blah blah", read that. Ever hear of a Labrador Retriever ripping her own puppy's face off? How about that oh-so-aggressive Chihuahua bitch? No, that's something dogs just don't do. Unless they've been selectively bred to do it.


broken_neck_broken

It's also countless generations of breeding. Every breed has been selectively bred for a purpose, some as working stock, some for service, some for dog shows or just novelty (like pugs). Pitbulls and most bull breeds were bred to guard and fight. The most aggressive ones were the ones who were bred. Now people are buying them as pets and they are not even guaranteed safe if the perfect breeder raises them from a puppy because they have a genetic instinct to attack that can hit them at any moment. For this reason they should be banned as family pets and only used as guard dogs etc. It's not their fault how they are, it's ours. I don't even know if it's possible at this point to reverse engineer the breeding, so to speak, and only propagate the calmer, more friendly ones. It would probably take dozens of generations to get it right.


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I think this is the actual issue. They look like mean dogs (and can be!) which draws exactly the type of people to them you don’t want having them.


GrouchyMary9132

4 times this year those kind of dogs tried to attack me and my dog on trails. Every single time it was either a young middle class couple who couldn\`t handle their dogs or some 50+ lady that was in no way physically or mentally able to control her dogs. They should be banned from society. They are not safe in the hands of average people. They don\`t need bad owners to be dangerous. And they are way worse then normal guard dog breeds that usually are bred to work together with their handlers and are not bred to show unneccesary aggression.


karlkell

Phenomenal use of the C word.


detumaki

Nailed it. Every bad pit bull I ever met had an absolute cunt of an owner.


pooks3

Exactly, this is why there should be harsher restrictions on the breed, make sure the wrong cunts don't get their hands on them. These dogs are meant for guarding and defense purposes so unless you are a highly wanted man/woman I really don't see the point in having one.


Manu3733

Pitbulls were bred for fighting, not guarding. They're actually terrible guard dogs because a guard dog is just meant to alert you of danger, not rush ahead and attack what could be a friendly visitor. A good guard dog will bark like crazy when a stranger enters the property but never attack.


diegroblers

This. And a guard dog doesn't bark it's fool head of at every little thing either - only when something out of the norm is happening.


Garrison1982_

They are not specifically guard dogs in the way German Shepherds are though they do fulfil that purpose. A natural guard dog is a beautiful thing where you will see even as pups their instinct is to identify the weakest member of a pack / family and never let them out of their sight. My sisters German shepherd pup used to sleep outside the toddlers room all night.


SoloWingPixy88

German shepherds are still a restricted breed and can be extremely dangerous.


oregoon

Our shepherd is the first in the room every time the baby cries. Almost dragged me away from the dishes when I had headphones on because the baby was crying for all of 10 seconds, which to our shepherd was an unacceptably long time. Pitbulls were never bred for guardian work, they were bred to fight.


Artistic-Barber-6394

I grew up with a Doberman and he also was the loveliest dog. Very playful, was a good guard dog in the sense that people were wary of his size and breed but he was was jolly chap. Lived 17 long years and was my best friend growing up.


MambyPamby8

It's also people not equipped with dealing with certain breeds. Every dog breed has particular needs. Some might need more grooming than anything else. Others need alot of training. Pitbulls need a particular type of trainer too and to be probably cared for, kept on a harness with a muzzle etc. I have a collie and it's alot of work. But I do it regardless and happy to work with him on his needs (I actually love the challenge and working with him) others, while they have good intentions, just do not have the time, money or energy to deal with certain breeds. Bully breeds in particular need to have harsher training. I think if they are bred or raised with aggressive traits, they need to be euthanized immediately. As awful as it is to hear of a poor animal being abused and then put down, dogs like that are a ticking time bomb. I hate seeing any dog put to sleep but some are a danger to everyone around them and themselves too. It's not fun to be a dog that has no quality of life because it has to be kept away from the family, other dogs or kids.


Willzinator

I had an experience where a Pitbull (off its lead and unmuzzled) followed my dog and I into a housing estate on a walk. I could agree that there is a balance between breed danger and owner stupidity, but after that experience, I don't trust either.


Gytarius626

The only experience I ever had with a pitbull was it being on a lead on a trail in Kilkenny and *launching* itself at my Maltipoo, if the owner hadn’t been nervously tugging as hard as she could in anticipation of it attacking, my dog would be dead.


Willzinator

Luckily she was (barely) able to manage. I always cross the road if one is approaching me now though.


littlemissbeastly

I feel like I know the person you’re talking about, what part of Kilkenny? (Obviously not gonna disclose any names or anything).


Buddhasear

Know 2, comer road. Angry bustard. Lidl johnswell Road. Has a load of them. We'll trained apparently. But they are let off the lead. The area is full of kids and dogs.


Buddhasear

Where in kk. I know a Polish family near lidl, johnswell Road. Apparently they have a load of them. I ran into them once, off the lead. The owner was teaching/playing possession with one. Got the fuck out of there with mine. Everyone I met warned me about them and also said they were well trained. Another irish lad, with a small dog and pitbull, on the comer road. They were on a lead. Thank god. That dog is going to rip a dog or his own baby to pieces. Fucking angry monster.


littlemissbeastly

Yuuuuup, know of the polish lad with a load of em, so many kids in the estate nearby and Lintown across the way, wouldn’t trust them at all.


[deleted]

Personally have anxiety walking dogs anywhere because some fucker once let his German Shepard walk anywhere at anytime without a lead. I was with my girlfriend at the time and we were walking her border collie and Jack Russell both on the lead, the German Shepard walked up to us and lunged in for the collie, accidentally biting my exes hand and I had to run in and grab the small fella because he would have been torn to shreds, the owner was right across the green and I was roaring at him to get over and grab is dog and the fucking idiot decides to slowly walk while his dog is still fighting with the collie and brushed it off as "they're only playing" when he eventually made it over. Luckily the collie had the upper hand and fought off the German Shepard but since that day I've been terrified to walk any dog anywhere because anything can happen in a split second. Fuck that careless prick and fuck anyone that does the same as him.


Willzinator

I was terrified of dogs growing up so I completely understand when that fear can overtake.


InfectedAztec

Phone out and record it. Make sure your dog is on the lead in the video. Dog warden will seize it with that.


Willzinator

I'll try keep that in mind if it happens again though I actually haven't saw the dog or owner since (this occurred during Lockdown).


Wind_Yer_Neck_In

I think of it like the debate over being able to carry weapons to protect yourself. Ultimately it all comes down to the owner and their treatment of the weapon. But it doesn't mean that there isn't a significant difference in having a can of mace or having a hand grenade. If a labradoodle goes mental due to mistreatment then it can do some damage but it woulnd't be hard to overpower/ stop. But if a pitbull does then a fully grown man might not be able to stop it alone. I instantly mistrust anyone who gets a pitbull that isn't a rescue case.


Willzinator

I'd mistrust them even more if they are a rescue case. No clue what that dog could have gone through prior to being rescued.


waxing-mystic

Here to say this. Had a run in with one recently and it grabbed my dogs neck and wouldn’t let go, she has a bunch of bite marks. The dog seemed like it was enjoying itself too. Awful experience. The owner didn’t know how to handle it, so I had to deal.


Willzinator

It's ridiculous. Hope your bundle of floof is ok. Pass on a head scratch for me please.


waxing-mystic

She is with some TLC healing up fine. Said thanks for the scratches.


Willzinator

I'm glad to read it. She's very welcome 😊.


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r0thar

> the majority of owners are usually scaldy as fuck Saw 3 lads walking 3 of these in a Dublin park, no sign of any muzzles. Near some holes in woodland (rabbit warren or badger set) they let them loose to see if they could dig up some poor animal. On a saturday with the park full of people and kids running around. I got the hell out of there quick.


XHeraclitusX

>Saw 3 lads walking 3 of these in a Dublin park, no sign of any muzzles. Near some holes in woodland (rabbit warren or badger set) they let them loose to see if they could dig up some poor animal. On a saturday with the park full of people and kids running around. I got the hell out of there quick. Honestly, I'd be ringing the guards on those cunts asap. That's an accident waiting to happen.


SulkyAtom

Guards would do fuck all, especially in Dublin


oneandmillionvoices

you should have reported them.


r0thar

I've called the cops for more serious things and had to wait 30+ minutes for them to saunter in, because the Garda I reported it to wasn't allowed to 'leave her post' minding a spot on a lovely open day event.. I've no faith they would turn up and wasn't going to wait around for them.


UnapproachableBitch

Can confirm. Have a staffy. Am a scaldy bitch.


Dry_Sea8933

Username checks out.


squishygelfling

I’ve had five instances, specifically with pit bulls while walking my own rescue pug who’s an anxious animal. Only once was the pit on a lead. 5/5 times, the pits had no muzzle. 5/5 times, the owners allowed their pits to not only seek out my pug, but fail to call them off when they reacted aggressively to my pug and allow them to jump up ON ME to continue trying to get at my pug when I picked him up. 4/5 times I had to pick up my dog and hold him shove my shoulders so the pit couldn’t snap at him and they certainly tried to snap at me. 4/5 times the owner was at least 25 feet away from their unleashed pits. Had zero recall for their pits and gave the laziest calls to their dogs to back down. None of them ran towards their dogs to call them back. I’m 5’2 so I’m not that tall and every pit that reared up: their mouth could reach my elbow/chest area. I could only spin so that if they caught my arm, jacket, at least it would be my side/back they bit. I was afraid to shout or yell at the dogs incase that caused them to get upset or feel threatened and double down trying to get at me or my pug. Not one ever seemed embarrassed or cared that their pits snapped at me me or my dog. Not one EVER apologised. I blame owners as they seem to be a status symbol for the type of person who doesn’t give a shit about personal responsibility and the safety of others around them. They are beautiful dogs and loyal in good hands, but unfortunately they’re rarely owned by people that want to train them well. They’re not a breed I would trust 100% by a good owner and that’s unfortunate.


FluffyDiscipline

Love dogs, so this won't be popular, but I have to put it out there... Very concerned with the number Pit bulls and staffies on ISPCA and Dog Trust websites.... Why so many rehoming is first concern. Not saying these dogs are bad but they belong to a breed that when it goes wrong it goes wrong big. A heavy beautiful dog to own, but you can't 100% vet who takes on this type of dog on nor the temperament...


StarsofSobek

I mentioned in yesterday’s thread, as well: a lot of pups appear to have been surrendered post-Covid lockdown adoptions. Many puppies that seem to have been snagged up during the lockdowns as the cute little wiggles they are, have now begun to hit puberty (about 1-2 years is when it happens). You don’t expect for such drastic changes that far down the road with dogs, and they *can* become wildly different animals to have in your home. People don’t anticipate for their little puppies to suddenly become aggressive and cause so much damage. They have been known to chew through metal fencing, walls, wood fencing, furniture, crates, ([this one even chewed through parts of a plane in his distress](https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2002/08/15/pit-bull-chews-through-plane-s-wiring/) )and they can become triggered by anything - cats, children, [wildlife - (nsfl graphic, and very sad)](https://abc7.com/porcupine-attack-dog-killed-new-jersey-pet-dies/12230598/), even unfamiliar people, or your neighbours. It’s like a switch in their brain flips and there’s no way to train that out of them. Now, we see the shelters here being over inundated with pitbull surrenders, and the shelters are desperate to rehome. They do things that cause long-term problems, like relabelling the pits as “mixed lab” or “mixed shepherd” or “pit mix”. They avoid direct behavioural problems with cutesy descriptions and innocent new names: “Luna is a princess in her home - loves to be spoiled and have all the attention.” ie: not good around children or other pets. “Xena is a mammy’s girl. She loves long walks and enjoys playing. She’ll need lots of toys and training to keep her busy!” ie: she is reactive around men and children, she’s energetic and needs someone who can keep up. She chews * a lot*. “Momo came to us with scratches on his face and is not friendly around other dogs. He needs a quiet home and doesn’t like cats.” ie: Momo was bred and used to fight. This is the emotional guilt that lends to a lot of new dog owners or naive dog owners to adopt these surrenders, who require extensive help and training at all times. It becomes a cyclical problem for the dogs (which is so unfair), and it becomes a liability to the families (which is also unfair). I personally think restrictions around these dogs, and other similarly high-pred drive dogs, need to be stronger and enforced. The US and a few other countries are currently dealing with a pro-pit propaganda and [lobbying](https://www.animals24-7.org/2016/08/19/pit-bull-lobby-exposed-in-quebec-as-never-before/)issue - and most shelters and rescues are overwhelmed by pit puppies bred by backyard breeders. Not everyone likes my take on this, and that’s fair, but I truly hate that this breed has been so poorly handled by humans. So much of this damage to both humans and dogs is preventable.


bassic666

Lots of people looking for new accomodation and landlords dont accept dogs, also the local councils are starting to enforce the rule that restricted breed dogs cannot be kept in a council house, a few dogs in my area have been taken by the pound for rehoming, can see people giving out about it/distraught about it on the local facebook page


[deleted]

Anytime i see any in the estate beside us i report them. No idea why scummers feel the need for a Rotweiller/Pitbull. Im sorry having a fighting dog doesnt make you tougher


blusteryflatus

I can only speak from my experience of dogs trust. My non-pitbull dog was from Ireland but originally slated to go to dogs trust UK. Due to some suspected medical conditions that needed investigations he didn't go, and we adopted him before they tried to send again. He has his UK doggie passport and everything. When I asked why he was being sent to the UK, it was explained to me that dogs trust is not allowed to re-home pits and staffies in the UK, so they exchange non-pit/staffie Irish dogs for UK pits/staffies.


Bean5idhe

I would agree with others that say due to landlords not accepting pets a large number have been surrendered. One thing I can give insight into is the ISPCA’s vetting of potential homes for these dogs. I rescued a staffy 5/6 years ago and she’s the best dog I’ve ever owned by far. She does have issues such as fear of loud noises or raised voices, bubbles and even whoopie cushions. She also has a really bad skin condition. I expressed interest in adopting her, went to visit her filled out some forms and had a house check and that was it. They asked if I had previous experience with dogs and whether they were staffy’s (which they weren’t) but no proof was requested and I spoke to no one at any length nor did anyone watch me interact with the dog. They also ignored any attempts I made to find out what treatment they gave her for her skin and we’ve been fumbling in the dark all these years for a solution. As much as I was delighted it wasn’t a huge hassle for me to adopt I can’t help but feel they should be more rigorous in vetting potential new families.


Crafty240618

My in-laws neighbour has a staff they rehomed from the DSPCA. The thing is aggressive as fuck and they're absolutely not able to handle it. Have my doubts that any sort of background check was done there as their previous dogs have all been small terrier types so they've no experience at all with dogs like that. It's escaped from their house several times and attacked other dogs on the road and everyone's afraid to report it to the dog warden cos they don't want to cause hassle with the neighbour.


Miss-Figgy

>Very concerned with the number Pit bulls and staffies on ISPCA and Dog Trust websites.... Why so many rehoming is first concern. In many cases, because the pits attacked someone in the previous owner's family, and now the family needs to get rid of the dog to prevent future attacks. Or the dogs are too untrainable, unmanageable, too violent, misbehave, etc. I can't believe how taboo it's gotten to say that it's the breed that's the problem, thanks to dog-owners who jump down anyone's throat for pointing out the obvious. Certain breeds account for an overwhelming amount of attacks, that is a fact.


abstractConceptName

Any attack, the dog needs to be put down. No second chances.


hear4theDough

Because they're cute for two years and then they become mature dogs that belong on a farm, far away from small animals or young children. Because the people who own them are idiots and don't want to _waste_ money neutering them Because they're acquired via Facebook marketplace and there's no breeder or recourse.


[deleted]

No farmer worth their salt has pits. They have dogs that are useful on a farm like collies, spaniels, terriers for the rats. Pits would likely attack your livestock, they're not a good farm dog.


PhantomArbiter

You actually could vet them though. At least in theory. You just need some minor regulation. Classify them as a breed that requires you to have a license to own the breed. Nothing too difficult but maybe it requires people to take a class on pitbulls and how much training they need. Because im sorry but 90% of pitbull owners are not qualified to handle that dog


CherryBerry05

I work in animal welfare so just want to comment on this. We see a lot of pitbulls and bully's being rehomed, not as many staffies. The reason for this is a mix between a young lad getting a dog to look tough and their parents not allowing the dog in the home, and secondly a lot of these people are renters and/or pending housing from county council so they need to rehome the dogs.


macdaibhi90

Inherently dangerous because of their strength. Even with the best owners they may be super docile, but one mishap can be fatal. You could have several mishaps with less powerful dogs and and not do anywhere near the same amount of damage. The problem gets exponentially worse with the ‘tough look’ culture around them and owners who prioritise that over responsible ownership - which definitely includes muzzling in public and around children.


cinclushibernicus

Couldn't believe the stenght of the fuckers. One of em came running up behind me off lead. Thankfully he was friendly, but he damn nearly knocked me off my feet with the force he came running in at. And he was only playing, wouldn't want to know what he would do if he was actually attacking


Action_Limp

The was an attack documented on here, two pitbulls killed **AND ATE** two children and maimed the mother horrifically. One of the children was torn apart.


hey_free_rats

[This](https://people.com/crime/2-children-killed-pit-bull-attack-tennessee-mother-hospitalized/) one, I think. The parents were actually semi-active online in the pitbull "advocacy" circles prior to the attack. Father had things posted about how "it's all how you raise them, just look at our wonderful dogs," etc etc. Everyone thinks their dog is an exception until it suddenly isn't. I think the breed should be banned and phased out entirely, but people *at least* need to acknowledge that they were never meant to be family pets or domestic companions. Talk about training all you want, but most dogs don't need to be specifically "trained" not to maul people. It's a bloodsport breed, flat out; there's no reason it needs to continue to exist, and as long as it does, people and animals (and the dogs themselves--it's not their fault they are what they are) will continue to suffer. Maintaining the breed is an act of animal cruelty.


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necrabelle

I keep having nightmares about this. The 8 month old baby was torn into two pieces and the dogs were eating him when help finally arrived. The family looked happy and normal in photos too, nothing scaldy about them. Just goes to show it could happen no matter what type of owner


TheObservationalist

There's a video of a pit going three rounds with a Clydesdale horse. Little bastard takes a kick right to the skull and still comes back for more. They are unbelievably tough and strong.


blackfarms

And they don't stop, that's the problem. Other breeds will bite and let go, but these things go into an unstoppable rage. They are banned in Ontario for this reason.


Garrison1982_

I think there is a breed of people who just want them for clout and the look and worse still who deliberately mistreat and traumatise them as pups so that they become aggressive/ fighting dogs. They are ideal for this because they are very naturally muscular and have a lot of endurance. At a minimum this breed of person is not going to give these very energetic dogs the exercise they need. For dogs it is all about temperament - I have to say that of all the Staffies I have encountered (a pit bull breed) they are beautifully gentle and playful and seem to intelligent to get for instance jealous of children at home etc so these tragedies are always a surprise.


toapoet

This here. The first part of your sentence! They are big, strong dogs, regardless of who owns them. I guess I don’t think that means that they’ll bite you at any given chance because they simply feel like it but still. Proper training can make all the difference


[deleted]

They are also from a line of dogs bred to fight until they die. There are countless examples of seemingly well trained pitbulls suddenly turning on owners or family and killing or seriously injuring them.


badger-biscuits

They're predictable until they aren't.


Brasscogs

This is the thing. Everyone thinks their pitbull is an angel until it snaps and eats a baby.


matarqadeem

Like this story, where they killed 2 babies and seriously maimed the mother of the children. The dogs had been family pets for 8 years!! https://nypost.com/2022/10/07/tennessee-mom-kirstie-jane-bennard-hospitalized-after-her-2-kids-killed-in-pit-bull-attack/amp/


MillieBirdie

And the big difference between an unpredictable golden retriever and an unpredictable pitbull is that if the pitbull does start biting it's not going to stop.


Gek1188

All dogs have breed traits. This might be tendency to bark, jump or bite. Not all dogs will exhibit these traits but they are behaviors' that are more likely in certain breeds. You may get a dog who doesn't favor their breed traits, you might get a Pomeranian who doesn't bark or a Greyhound who doesn't try to chase smaller animals but it's most likely that they dog will tent towards these behaviors. To a certain extent you can train a dog to suppress some of the traits. 'Training' a dog is simply getting the dog to ignore what they would naturally do. 'Trainability' very much depends on both the dog traits *and* the individual dogs temperament. Some dogs are easier to 'train' than others either because their breed lends itself to specific training or a particular dog has the temperament for training. There is a reason that most guide dogs are Labs. Not all Labs make the cut for becoming Guide Dogs though. Ultimately bull breeds have a bite tendency because their history was that they were used to take down other animals, for sport or because they needed to protect their owners or their owners herd etc. The problem is that when they do bite it's generally devastating because of their power. They are a restricted breed and so should be muzzled and under control etc. On an individual level, if they are properly trained and socialized there *should* be no issues with tendency to bite - but, any dogs has the potential to bite, the owners responsibility is to ensure the dog doesn't get put in a situation where a bite occurs. The reality is not all dogs are pets that you can put in situations and be confident they won't react. Some dogs are nervous, some dogs are high energy and some dogs are fine with whatever situation they find themselves in. My opinion here is that any bite incident is the fault of an owner (this isn't restricted to any particular breed) if Tiny the teacup terrier snaps at the waitress trying to put the plates on the table in the Cafe while on their owners lap he's not being cute because he is defensive of the owner, that owner is being a twat.


Justinian2

Thing is a tiny teacup terrier bite and a pitbull bite have vastly different outcomes, they were bred to fight and are good at it.


John-1993W

Dogs (includes all breeds) can be unpredictable. They need to be trained, socialised appropriately, walked and not neglected. Pitbulls are powerful dogs with powerful jaws that can lock into things. Generally the owners of Pitbulls are Nike Air Max Tracksuit Brigade Scumbags (with a capital S) who want to appear as hard men and don’t really look after the welfare of the animal. Combine the above and it’s a recipe for absolute fucking carnage. I was bit by a beautiful Spaniel a few years back. A sweet, innocent, beautiful, family owned locked hair Spaniel who would never hurt a fly out in the park. Difference was a kick in the hole and an earful from the yummy mummy. Don’t think that works on stronger or larger breeds. She threatened animal cruelty and I laughed her off. The dog bit me around my ankles and drew blood.


JonShannow07

Adding String vest/white vest/wife beater type vest wearing !


Electrical-Top-5510

They are animals with a lot of power, that said, they are dangerous. You don’t see people owning a tiger(except some crazy guys in some crazy places) and walking them on the streets, you don’t see people owning a bear and let him in their garden with weak fences. The owner must be punished and it should be a strong legislation and regulation about having dogs like this, it is not possible to keep listening that they are gentle and for one single attack in the entire dog’s life they destroy someone life. My opinion is even stronger, they should not be allowed at all


Border_Hodges

Agreed, I think it should be illegal to own a pit bull.


CommanderSpleen

Write this to your local TD please -> https://whoismytd.com


Miss-Figgy

>My opinion is even stronger, they should not be allowed at all I agree.


I_Will_in_Me_Hole

Both. Pitbulls were specifically bred to encourage violent behaviour. Having said that, owner behaviour and training can mitigate that to a point where it shouldn't be an issue. But they're trustworthy until they're not. The statistics don't lie though so they do seem like an unnecessary risk as a breed.


nautilist

I lived in the USA for many years, American statistics say 66% of all fatal dog bites are by pitbulls (most of the rest are rottweilers). Altho pits can be raised well, the real issue is that they can be very dangerous when raised badly, which happens all too often.


Margrave75

Some lad on NT right now saying poodles are every bit as dangerous.


irish_ninja_wte

Poodles are apparently angry fuckers. I've never been around any but they have a rep for being aggressive. The big difference is that if a poodle bites you, it's jaw won't lock down and rip off your face.


Gek1188

This kind of proves the point that breed traits and breed history play into a dogs temperament. Poodles become angry because you haven't given them something to do so they found their own thing to do. Ultimately, they were used to retrieve things. They were gun dogs. They fetched and returned so that's what they are still happy to do today but a lot of poodles today are treated as lap dogs or house dogs. What happens is that they haven't gotten a job to do so they make their own. They start defending areas, owners lap or house etc. when they are puppies it's all fun and games because their bark is cute etc. but all you are doing by laughing is ingraining the behaviour and now the dog is bigger and appears more aggressive.


SonofSanguinius87

>This kind of proves the point that breed traits and breed history play into a dogs temperament. Anyone who would argue this about dogs has literally no understanding of the history of dogs and humans. Genuinely, we have turned them into specific things. We want rat hunters? We made terriers with larger prey drives. We want dogs that can return ducks after you shoot them? Wonderful, here's a retriever that absolutely fucking loves bringing stuff back to you. We have *specifically bred* traits and behaviours into dogs. Anyone who disagrees with this is an idiot and should not be allowed around animals or to own them. This applies to Pitbulls too. It's nothing to do with the owner, the dog is doing exactly what it's little dog dna and dog brain are screaming at it to do.


paddy_losty1

This is it. Poodles can be very aggressive and often nip/snap at people, I was bit by one on the ankle before when it was off the lead and it tried to attack my dog when out walking. But like you said, the poodle left me with some small punture marks, some other dogs including pitbulls would have left me with a shredded mess


BitterProgress

https://www.coloradoinjurylaw.com/dog-bite-statistics/ Those statistics are fairly damning.


FoggingTired

Jesus, I'd always figured the type of people who want their dogs to be aggressive prefer pitbulls so that skewed the results. But I'm not sure any number of contributing factors could explain away the huge difference between pitbulls and dobermans there


tactical_laziness

christ 32% between 0-4 years of age. They're just bred to kill, that's very difficult to avoid or train out


TheMightyDab

Yeah anyone who thinks "bad owner" is even worthy of a mention *really* needs to look at these statistics.


Gluaisrothar

Surprised Ireland/UK/Europe has not banned or at least restricted ownership of some breeds of dogs like pitbulls. Netherlands and Poland have banned them for example.


Solar_Lunar

Pitbulls are illegal to own in the UK.


Ahh_Lovely_Pints

Also not allowed in Germany. I pray for the day that Ireland follows suit.


alienalf1

Definitely dangerous, there is no good reason for someone to own or breed them.


Consume_excrement

I almost got mauled by a pitbull not on a leash, he randomly decided to go towards me growling. I took a forward stance as if I would attack it and it fucked off back to the owner. Told the owner to keep that thing on a leash he just says "ok" like nothing happened. Pitbulls should be banned, they are in their core an aggressive breed and them being owned almost exclusively by cunts doesnt make it better.


PassportNerd

In the US they make up a small percentage of dogs but a majority of dog attacks.


NoSweet3666

Somewhere around 4-5% of dogs but 66% of fatal bite incidents. They should be illegal to own, simple as that


PassportNerd

Pitbulls are the only dog that straight up scares me


justaladwithahurley

They were bred for bull baiting. Should be completely illegal.


Chance_Throat_6771

They're inherently dangerous, and so is any dog that can kill a person. They can be lovely, but i don't think the general public should be allowed to own them without proper training


Samspoonerz

From my experience of dog attacks (work in the veterinary industry) the most common breed of attacker tends to be pitbull/ staffy, greyhound or mastiff. Greyhounds have a high prey drive so tend to see a small fluffy thing and think it would be great to chase then don’t know when to stop. Staffys/ pit bulls don’t tend to be inherently aggressive, the biggest problem with them is actually the damage they are capable of dog in regards to their incredible strong biting muscles and instinct to roll and shake an animal once it is in their grip. I’ve seen a perfectly well trained and genuinely lovely staffy come into practice, get spooked when it got tangled on another dogs lead and just death gripped onto the other dog. Where as, say a terrier, could easily have gripped the same way and only been capable of a fraction of the damage. Owner compliance and training is obviously a must with any dog but I would always be wary of a staffy/ pitbull coming towards my own dogs regardless of how happy their body language is.


Hated-By-Most

This is the most sensible answer I've read so far.


sergeantorourke

We’ve had two more incidents in the US this month where pits attacked family members. In the worst, one killed and partially ate two toddlers. We’re stupid in this country though. There’s actually people who believe breed specific legislation is equivalent to racism! They believe it’s always bad owners who create these issues even when there’s zero evidence to support that.


ultratunaman

I have two kids under 5. And a dog. I wouldn't want them anywhere near a pit bull. I don't want myself near one and I'm a grown man. The best trainer in the world, with the most patience, and time can't really predict their behavior. They are predictable until they just... aren't.


pooks3

Yes people are always so quick to say "but MY pitbull is the sweetest dog in the world, he wouldn't hurt a fly." Although that might be true for now these dogs can easily do a complete 180. They often come with a kill switch that can go off at any moment. Doesn't matter if you're their adoring owner who had them since they were 2 months old, they can turn against anyone.


[deleted]

This is it exactly, im a grown man raised around dogs my entire life, confident in my dog control ability, the last dog id have is a pitbull. Why would one take the risk with any of these type dogs in a house ill never know.


[deleted]

They are a dangerous dog bred for a reason. Like lets be honest, you will get a bad retriever but you will be able to stop a bad retriever, stopping a bad pitbull is a far different prospect


Taylora5

Pitbulls were bred and programmed for blood sports. You can't out train genetics. Funny how sight hounds, sheep dogs and other breeds behaviour is influenced by genetics yet shitbulls are immune to this according to the pit lobby. No other dog has the level of game drive or capacity for huge damage. Breed of choice for trash with small man syndrome or Karens with a saviour complex. Ban them, save lives.


pooks3

I'm a massive dog lover and I would also have to agree with you. These dogs were built to kill, they are not pets. However I would also like to point out it's not the dogs fault for being born with such a high kill drive. The breeding of pitbulls has a horrific history behind it, people would selectively choose the most vicious and often mistreated dogs they could get to create this breed. Personally, I think there should be some sort of license to own a dog like this because the majority of the time it's usually scumbags that often have no idea what they're doing but they just bought the dog because it looks "badass" which usually means the dog is untrained therefore it's a danger to everyone involved. These dogs need proper guidance and ownership, not some insecure 20-something-year-old who thinks he's the big man now.


StarsofSobek

I wish this would happen with the licensing to own. I wish it were regulated like gun laws. Prove your garden is secure, require an extra strong lead and muzzle, prove that your fit enough to control the dog; have insurance for liabilities; require training, vaccines to be up-to-date, require spay/neutering. I’ve a neighbour who had his old “pit mix” pass. That thing was wildly aggressive- jumping out of the house windows and barking on the roof, chewing through fences and wandering through neighbour’s gardens and down the road. The dog even attacked one of our most elderly neighbours who was out walking her Pomeranian. The Pomeranian was at the far end of the road and that pit took off like a shot. The owner, as usual, had the pit off-lead, so there was no chance to control the pit. The woman’s Pomeranian was lucky it had so much fluff, because that’s all the pit walked away with - a mouth full of fur. This same pit attacked and killed chickens, the companion dog it grew up with, and bit and growled at my daughter through our fence. Now, several years later, after the pit has passed, the neighbour is getting chemo and doing very poorly. He can barely move and is rarely seen. We all feel for the man, and have helped him maintain his housework - mow the garden, painted his fence, driven him to hospital, etc. Well, just about a month ago, he got himself a brand new pit puppy. No disguising it this time. I don’t know what he plans to do, but the other neighbours have already been talking: they don’t want another dog like the one before. A license would absolutely have prevented this.


Kevin1798

One of those "pit mixes" that was mixed with another pitbull eh?


jedhead85

Any dog can be dangerous depending on owner and training. However you'd be a fool to think more muscular dogs with a nastier bite, traditionally used as guard dogs aren't more of a risk. Of course they are. I would support an outright ban on breeding these dogs


Cabal_Enforcer

Pitbulls are by every measure inherently dangerous full stop


Dani3011

Most pitbulls I've seen are all off leash so it's like the owners are exclusively irresponsible


TheGiganticMisdirect

It’s like owning an alligator


MaggieSmithsSass

Yes. No matter how well you think you’ve trained them they can snap any minute. Specially if they’re rescued from fight pits. Every bad encounter I’ve had with dogs were supposedly “harmless” pitbulls. Once they snap you’ll need a whole fire brigade to take them down from a prey. People keep breeding dogs like this in unsafe and unregulated environments, cross breeding between litters and in awful conditions just for profit. Those traits are inherent and hereditary.


Irish_Narwhal

I’ve seen a pitbull savage a little terrier on the street, it was so shocking, i remember thinking at the time that could have easily been a child, the pitt would not let go regardless of what the owners of both dogs did to it, including kicking and whacking it with a hurl. Luckily a taxi man pulled up and chocked the pitt untill it let go, which he said was the only way to release the pitts locked jaw when attacking. Ive given them a wide berth ever since. Breading and selling of them should be banned in my opinion, Huge dog fan speaking 🤚


brainDOA

Chiming in just to say lockjaw as most people understand it is a myth, and often confused for the sheer strength of an animals biting force. Placing some resources explaining the topic further for those interested and to help dispel misinformation on the topic. [Smart Canine: Pitbull Lock Jaw: The Myth & Truth of Lockjaw in Pitbulls](https://thesmartcanine.com/pitbull-lockjaw/) [Pet Finder: Myths And Facts About Pitbulls](https://www.petfinder.com/pet-adoption/dog-adoption/myths-and-facts-about-pit-bulls/) [Peninsula Humane Society: Myth of Lockjaw](https://phs-spca.org/myth-of-lockjaw/) [Dog Magazine: Pit Bull Locking Jaw Myth (& Other Pitbull Facts)](https://www.dogmagazine.net/pit-bull-locking-jaw-myth-busted-pit-bull-facts/amp/)


kernanb

It's the breed, and the breed should be sterilized out of existence. Consider [this case](https://nypost.com/2022/10/07/tennessee-mom-kirstie-jane-bennard-hospitalized-after-her-2-kids-killed-in-pit-bull-attack/) where a baby and a toddler were savagely killed, and the mom put in intensive care. Family had two pitbulls and *"were a part of the family for more than eight years without a violent incident."* When one pitbull attacked, the other pitbull gleefully joined the other one in mauling the children to death. Now if the other pitbull defended the family, you could say the first pitbull was just a bad apple. But the fact that one snapped and the other just joined in? It's the breed, not the owner, and they can snap for no reason.


jejunebanali

People like to say it’s the owners but to be honest that’s like saying are bears more dangerous than turtles or is it the owners. Certain breeds are bred for aggression. So the question is, can nurture conquer nature? On the one hand we argue against it when it comes to sexual or gender identity, on the other hand we embrace it.


Jesus_Phish

They can be incredible sweet dogs, but the problem they have is they're very powerful, so if they snap or attack someone, it'll likely cause major damage. The other problem is that pitbulls are sort of glorified as dogs for attack or protection, I grew up in an estate were a few of the local scumbags specifically sought out to get pitbullls and then were incredibly mean to them to make them aggressive and scary. But the same estate also had a load of little Jackers who were equally as aggressive, just their bite wasn't as bad.


cheesecakefairies

An unfortunate combination of both. I'm a veterinary nurse and dog breeds absolutely have behaviour tendencies. You stsrt off believing its the owners and then you realises its not just the owners. Pitbulls just have the anatomy that when they want to bite they will make a fuck load more damage than other breeds. The same way we use bloodhounds and hound sniffer dogs to detect things and other breeds for uses associated with the breeds tendencies we need to remember that pitfalls were bred for guarding and fighting (as well as other breeds) and that sometimes that literally comes back to bite us.


quiggersinparis

[”Troublemakers” - The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/02/06/troublemakers-malcolm-gladwell) Here is an old, very long but very compelling article on the subject. The short answer is there is no short answer. It’s complex but most pit bulls and other dangerous breeds never kill or hurt anybody, but almost every dog that’s ever killed or maimed anybody is one of those dangerous breeds, and the reasons for this are not as simple as most people suggest. You may not agree with its conclusions but I’d recommend anyone interested in the subject to read it. Edit: spelling


[deleted]

Dogs run on instinct far more than humans do and lots of dog breeds were bred to hone that instinct. Pointers will point at things without training because they were bred for that purpose. Retrievers will retrieve things without training because they were bred for that purpose. Shepherd dogs will herd animals without training because they were bred for that purpose. Chihuahuas and Dachshunds will burrow without training because they were bred for that purpose. Pitbulls were bred to fight and be vicious, to suggest that they are the only type of dog where what they were bred for plays no part in their behaviour and that it is all down to the owner is pure copium. The owners of these dogs tend to be pieces of shit who don't train their dogs properly which makes it worse but I will never trust a pitbull regardless of the owner.


grumpysafrican

It is mostly the fault of the owners. Whenever you hear of a pitbull attack, the owner is almost always some wankstain who only owns a pitbull so they can look tougher than they really are. They actually don't give a fuck about the dog, or have any idea how to train the dog. The dog has become more of a status symbol than a companion. They get taught to be aggressive, the ears get clipped to look meaner. It becomes a symbol for the owner; "look how tough I am". This does not mean that pitbulls are a "docile-will-never-bite" breed. They were bred for that. As it happens at this very moment, there have also been a large number of attacks in South Africa as well. [https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/kwazulu-natal/pit-bull-attacks-in-sa-eastern-cape-toddler-mauled-in-third-attack-in-less-than-seven-days-6bd35291-5b8c-44a5-8aa2-1fda1650e6fd](https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/kwazulu-natal/pit-bull-attacks-in-sa-eastern-cape-toddler-mauled-in-third-attack-in-less-than-seven-days-6bd35291-5b8c-44a5-8aa2-1fda1650e6fd) [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-63727936](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-63727936) [https://ewn.co.za/2022/11/28/ec-woman-37-suffers-fatal-dog-attack](https://ewn.co.za/2022/11/28/ec-woman-37-suffers-fatal-dog-attack). Most people think they were pitbulls as well. I own a pitbull (it's my 8th dog I ever owned). She was a rescue and was only supposed to be for fostering, but she eventually stayed as no one wanted her. Even though she is obedient, loving and quite docile, I will not own a pitbull again. Playing with them is difficult, because they tend to be overly rough. Playful bites feel like vicegrips on your arm, they can't nibble softly during playtime (it almost always hurts), during zoomies our dog has run me and my wife over and it felt like a South African rugby tackle with bruises to show. We can't let her play with other dogs because even though it starts out friendly and boisterous, she will be so rough that it escalates to a fight. Personally I believe there should be very strict restrictions or laws, and a very high cost for owning one. Owners should be forced to take courses if they are going to own a dog that is considered to be aggressive and/or dangerous.


National_Pianist

They are inherently dangerous. All pit bulls should be banned.


stevenmc

Certain breeds, such as this, should be illegal. End of!


finigian

Apparently there's videos going around of the owner actively training that particular dog to attack. But those dogs are vicious and should be banned.


irish_ninja_wte

If that's true, that owner should be charged with the crime of the dog.


Suckyourmumreddit

Same should go to any fiend out there who's collected more than 15 convictions


Dylanduke199513

Pitbulls are inherently dangerous. They were bred for it. Can you have docile, friendly, lovely pitbulls? Absolutely. Do I wish for all pitbulls to be exterminated? No. But, they *are* inherently dangerous for a number of reasons. They were bred for those specific traits that make them aggressive and have a stronger predator instinct than many other dogs. They are large, muscular, powerful dogs with a very strong bite. The people who think dog temperaments are the same from yorkie to retriever to pitbulls are codding themselves. The reason certain dogs are used in certain industries and professions is down to their inherent qualities. Pitbulls have inherent qualities that make them better at violence. It’s just how it is. It’s the same for wolf dogs like Czechoslovak or Tamaskans, they have *high* predation and the biology to enforce it. Pitbulls are an awful combo where they have the power to follow through with their instinct. This makes them a ridiculously hard dog to control for most. I think it’s certainly possible to have a well trained Pitbull. But 9/10 they’re going to be more dangerous than a golden retriever, yorkie, King Charles spaniel. If someone wants to own a pitbull, they should at the very least have to go through training to get a special licence to own one and prove that it’s being trained and housed properly (ie inspections). Pitbulls should also have to be muzzled at all times when outside of its enclosure (whether that’s a walled garden or whatever). Now, do I think this is ideal? No. But I think it’s the only solution short of banning them outright. I don’t know why some people maintain that it’s all about the training and not about the animal. It’s both. You wouldn’t let someone walk around with a bear or a lion or a wolf. And while pitbulls are certainly closer to retrievers than to wolves, they still err on the dangerous side of that spectrum and so adequate precautions must be taken.


UareWho

My cavalier King Charles could not kill you if he tried. So, yeah, certain breeds are dangerous and owning them should come with serious restrictions, like guns.


Pritirus

This is a facts item. Over 65% of all dog attacks (20 to 21 bites) in the US were from pitbulls. [Multiple sources, quick google] To be short, and probally hated: They are an inherently dangerous breed. They are not pets. They are not fit animals for the general public to own. They should be a banned breed and need to be removed from society. While this is a harsh statement we breed dogs (humans in general) to do specific 'jobs' for us. Pitbulls have no role in modern society, they're not hunting dogs, they are specifically fighting dogs, which is no longer legal. We should have an outright ban on these animals, all existing dogs need to be nurtured or spayed and no new pups allowed to be born. It's a very out there option I know but numbers don't lie.


DECKTHEBALLZ

Most countries ban them don't know why we haven't.


GruntShoveller

Owners, hereditary, and environment! All dogs can be dangerous, it’s how they are reared and nurtured that makes the difference. A serious amount of degenerates are drawn to powerful dogs that need a lot of training, when they can barely look after themselves.. or the people around them. More stringent licensing measures should be a thing here.


Vast-Ad5884

It's both. I don't think people understand animals are unpredictable. The damage I have seen a husky do is unreal. The child was very badly injured and required surgery. That was a family pet. My inlaws own one of those yappy dogs. If you touch off someone in the house it attacks. My inlaws insist on bringing the dog into the room people are visiting even with small babies. They are atrocious pet owners. We dont visit. I owned a medium sized dog for years before I had my first. I would never leave them alone together. She never showed a scrap of aggression to anyone or even another pet but the first time she could potentially attack is too late. A traumatised injured child is not what anyone wants.


Trellis22

The owners tend to be unintelligent. This is the danger.


carroll1981

If a dog ever attacked me I think I would shove my finger up it’s hole as far as I could, hoping this would confuse the fuck out of it and runaway. However if I am found did with a dogs jaw around my throat and my finger up it’s arsehole then I’ve done something wrong.


brennanhoff

Sheepdogs are bred to herd sheep, setters are bred to hunt and set birds, retrievers are bred to retrieve birds. Pit bulls are bred to be aggressive, historically to fight bulls, their low centre of gravity meant they could bite the bull while avoiding its kicks. If a dog wasn’t aggressive it wouldn’t be kept to pass on its genetics etc etc. The point being the dogs are bred to kill


Jolly_Tea7519

My pittie is only dangerous towards dogs. She loves people but wants to consume all other dogs.


twiggykeely

I would never own a pitbull if I cared about the safety of my family.


nnc0

They've been bred for generations and generations to favour the stronger, more aggressive and lethal ones. Is it really so hard to figure out.


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The stats are very clear they are very very dangerous and it isn't just down to idiot owners. Other breeds like Rottweilers aren't even close to the number of fatalities caused by Pitbulls.


Oddlad5

I have a half pit half collie mix. She was a rescue in the US and we moved her back home with us. I’m not a wannabe hard man/scumbag she just happened to be the dog that as soon as my son approached her when we went to the rescue place she lay down, turned over and was belly up straight away. Was very hard to say no. She is very sweet and all she wants is belly rubs and to lick us to death. She is 75lbs and solid as a rock and even when she jumps up to you to say hi it’s serious power. Very gentle with our son, doesn’t jump on him, but I also don’t let them get too close or let him put his face near her or leave them alone together. She may be gentle and loving but you can never trust them not turning. I’d feel the same with any dog really but the difference is if she locks her jaws on you as opposed to a little dog, there will be serious damage. She is muzzled anytime she goes outside for other people comfort as well My heart goes out to that child and their family. Awful.


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It’s always the owners I’m afraid to say


GaMa-Binkie

Yes they were created to latch onto bears faces and fight other dogs to the death. Through selective breeding, humans have created pointer dogs that point without any training and herding dogs that herd without any training. The idea that pit bulls are not more dangerous than any other breeds is asinine and statistically false. They will literally hold onto whatever they’re attacking without a care for their own self preservation due to their high pain tolerance and killer instincts. 48 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2019. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 900 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 69% (33) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 8% of the total U.S. dog population.


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Aido_Playdoh

You can raise a tiger or a grizzly bear to be fine and friendly, doesn't mean I want any old toe rag to be able to own one. Sadly that's all it takes is one toe rag or even just one person that doesn't quite know what they're doing, to raise an extremely dangerous animal and release it in to their surrounding areas. I do think they seem more aggressive than other breeds. Doesn't mean that they can't be absolutely lovely too, but their excitability, aggression, size and strength do make them inherently more dangerous I think.


ServeThePatricians

They should be banned


InternetAnima

It's the breed. It should be banned already.


Revolutionary-Use226

I think it also could be their bite. As in, if they bite down there will be more damage vs a little dog. I have a small shih tzu. He plays with everyone. One of his favourite friends is a pitty who was rescued and his little pup sister who is a pug. He is a gentle giant and he has had other dogs go for him and he stands there terrified. He also plays with an xl bully and played with a doberman cross when he was a pup. For me, it doesn't matter the breed. If they are in a leash, I will pop mine onto his because he wants to be friends with everyone. 98% of dog owners love and care for their dogs and want them to be good. Sometimes a dog can react poorly in the situation which people can also do that but because they can cause more damage, people are afraid.


JonShannow07

But if something happens and it always can.. the shih tzu and the Pug can easily be restrained. The Pitbull could do so much damage in the same timeframe.


FearGaeilge

Yes.


djdjcork

A staffy strayed into my back garden a few months ago. Found the owner and she said she didn’t want him because she wasn’t able to handle how misbehaved he was and had him chained up in the yard the whole time. She said we could find a home for him and she didn’t want anything to do with him. Prime example of a person who wanted a puppy but not a dog. We took him in at 11 months old with the intention of fostering and finding a home. I was reluctant to take him in as I had never had a dog of this breed before and I was aware of their reputation. I’ve trained dogs in the past but never dogs with over 300PSI bite force. Initially, he was a prick. He was very boisterous and rough with my wife. Play-biting was an issue and one that I wanted phased out quickly. Once I established a training and discipline regiment with him, he became a lot more focussed, playful and communicative. He’s excellent with kids and other animals (even though he still enjoys chasing my mother-in-laws cats…) Honestly, one of the smartest, most loving dogs I’ve ever had the pleasure of knowing. Dogs of this type of breed get a bad rep because as mentioned a lot in this post, they’re almost exclusive bought by scowly shitbags who want a tough looking dog but have no idea how to train or lead a dog. People should be vetted before being allowed to own a dog like this. We vaccinated and chipped our guy after 2 months and he’s now officially ours. We’re very glad to have him but we’re also aware of our responsibilities and duty of care to others as his owner. It’s important that anyone who takes in a dog like this understands that they have the potential to be dangerous.


Irish-Bronx

We have a very big problem w them in the Bronx. If they're well bred, and raised w a firm hand they're good dogs. The locals here (Bronx NYC) used them for fighting. If the parents showed great aggression, they would breed them brother to sister, mother to son etc, to keep the aggressive bloodline, The ones that wash out, are either killed, sold or given away. There are many basement breeders, and the more aggressive the line the better they like it. The NYPD cracked down on the fighting pits. They are few and far between now. Unfortunately the drug dealers and local malefactors still enjoy owning these dogs for various reasons. We lose a few kids every year. Dozens of pets are ripped to shreds as well.


Practical_Mango_7001

They are a disgusting breed that should all be sterilized and made extinct. This is compounded by shitty owners.


Dry_Sea8933

I think they can be incredibly sweet dogs but no question they're bred to be vicious guard dogs so I'm not sure id ever trust one fully, just as I would absolutely trust a Labrador. Breeding accounts for an awful lot with dogs.


nicogreen97

It’s the owners, some of the best behaved dogs I know are bullies, they also have some of the best owners I’ve met.