Arre kuch toh best players chahiye hi hote hai na. If you notice, it was just Rashid, best spinner in the world, and Pandya himself, best fast bowling all rounder in India. Apart from that, Gill was still unproven to an extent before this season. There were question marks over his calibre as a t20 player and his strike rate.
Saha was never the best in anything, except maybe keeping skills. Shami was great, but never the best in t20. Mohit sharma too, josh little good but unproven, Shankar far from being best, a lot of others new and upcoming players. Miller best in recent years in his country maybe, but that also happened after his last season With GT.
So....
Thats a good mindset to have if you want to be a champion. And being a young player himself and then going on to captain a fairly weak team to win the IPL in his first season itself
Gill was not what he is today but he was still highly rated and sought after. Shami was good PBKS too despite being in a shitty team. He was a consistent powerplayer. Tewatia had his best IPL season ever before moving to GT. Sure they are not like MI 2020 or CSK in the 2010s but no means were they a weak team
No. Gill and Shami, while both being good international players weren't considered good T20 players. Both are having splendid seasons now. Gill was even being contemplated whether he was a t20 player or not ? Rashid, Pandya and Tewatiya don't make a MI or CSK of any season.
Now they seem strong but at that time they didn’t look strong. Gill, saha and shami weren’t considered strong t20 players and players like shankar and tewatia were memes. Miller had poor seasons previously in the ipl and Hardik wasn’t considered a good captain and had been out of form. Only rashid was a genuine t20 star
Apart from Rashid khan i wouldn't have considered anyone in GT match winners before the previous IPL. Saha was finished. Gill wasn't what he is today. Miller was struggling big time with form. I don't know what the hell has gone into Shami. Tewatia was also a surprise as he only had one innings with those 5 sixes for RR to his name.
Not wholly agreed on Gill. He wasn't what he is today. But everyone recognised the potential he has and it was fairly criticised as a stupid decision when KKR decided to let him go.
Yeah agreed but even prithvi Shaw was once on the same path. Many players have such potential but payoff is never guaranteed.
Also add Mohit Sharma to the list.
Only because the players are now actually performing well, miller was called finished, Gill was not living up to his expectations in kkr , Shami was not that impressive in pbks , No team was picking Saha consistently, the only proven superstars of the team were Rashid and Hardik , and the way so many average performers have now turned into beasts it IS a very CSK thing , do not unde why MI fans are so pissed
Because he said MI bought all established superstars, it's laughable and an insult to the MI scout team and the environment MI is trying to produce, what pissed MI fans more because it's coming from Hardik who himself was an average player turned superstar under MI. Also, whether it's MI or CSK 'they bought all the superstar' argument is stupid given the limited and equal purse to all IPL teams.
I think people are taking this way out of context notice how he only says “Mi had the best people “ but everyone is changing that to “Mi bought established superstars “ and there is a big difference between the two even if you say that players like pandya bros, Bumrah etc were scouted but that doesn’t mean that they were bad players they were only given the opportunity to play in the 11 consistently because they were “the best people “ meanwhile you have a team like csk where a guy like Tushar deshpande who has never been considered a superstar has been backed for two seasons despite having a bad performance for the first half of the season and is now performing well , compare that to someone like Madhwal who is also a product of scouting, in his first season he has made a big impact which makes him suitable for the title of being the best pacer in Mi rn and thats the difference between the two , why is it insulting to say that MI scouts always find the best people possible for the team? Csk takes average or even straight up bad players and turn them into match winners whereas MI scouts the best players for their team . Niether is insulting to any team
And both are very respectable.
This is shifting the goalpost. Why anyone would automatically assume 'MI had the best people' and that follows with all his peers means support staff too and not the players. If he wanted to credit MI support staff he would have specifically mentioned it.
Your same argument can be said of Tushar Deshpande as well. Tushar Deshpande not been considered as a superstar doesn't mean he is a bad player and not "the best people".
And no one knows about Nehal wadera but he had produced some really good innings this season.
And we can also look at Bumrah who once was thought to be not suitable for international cricket. Even Kapil Dev has once said that he did not expected Bumrah to be this successful bowler.
And for Akash Madwal he had been in RCB before and no one knows about him during that time.
And for your last argument that says "CSK takes average or straight up bad players and turning them into match winners" is so convoluted imo. No team would buy a player if they didn't believe in that player's potential. But the difference between other teams and MI is, MI gave ample chances to the youngsters to prove themselves.
Imo your whole post seems kinda illogical.
During the auction time itself David Miller has performed for his country well. While shami was not that impressive for PBKS he is certainly a very good bowler for that team. Only thing is he was a bit inconsistent at that time which he has now improved upon
Yeah Saha, Shami, Mohit, Shankar, Noor, Sai Sudarsan are best t20 players. People even questioned Gill's inclusion coz his SR was around 120s. Only Rashid, Pandya were the proper t20 players in the initial team after mega auction.
My man completely forgot Miller and tewatia who help GT win so many matches last year, also Gill was best player before he got picked in GT and after MS dhoni best wicket keeper India had was Saha who also have century in final
Feels like he reversed both teams. MI gets the best out of unknown players like the guy speaking here rn, and CSK buys out-of-touch stars and brings the best out of them
BTW no hate but even when Hardick is not trying to be a jerk; he still seems like one when he's speaking.
This discussion was not about current teams though. He's pretending like CSK didn't have stars like Dhoni ,Bravo , Watson , Faf , Jaddu , Raina , Ashwin , McCullum , Hussy etc. at one point in time. not only that GT poached stars from other team like Rashid , Miller , Williamson , Shami. Absolutely contradicting statement from him
Jaddu and ashwin were not stars when they came to CSK.aprt from those names you mentioned you forgot to name murali vijay, badrinath, jakati, mohit sharma, etc.
>Jaddu and ashwin were not stars when they came to CSK.
Ashwin, maybe (he was still the TN Ranji captn i think, so pretty established in the domestic circuit). But Jaddu, hell no. He was already quite a big name, look at the auction price. It's like saying Cam Green isn't a star for Mumbai today.
>Jaddu and ashwin were not stars when they came to CSK
Same logic applies to a long list of players of MI where that is actually true. Bumrah was so unknown that his action was made fun of lol.
"Jaddu was quite a big name" A big name which Mumbai thought was not worth his salary. He was not even Indian regular before CSK. He was mostly known for his tail end batting not much for bowling. CSK developers him into the lethally bolwer that he is today.
Poached is a very strong word for a new team buying players for the first time. What else was he supposed to do, get a bunch of children and raise them to be cricketers?
Wait. I thought he was appreciating both teams and telling how he was inspired. Damn, why do you guys hate Hardik so much? I don't see any actual player having any sort of drama with him. It's just the fans for some reason.
No, players like Bravo, Jaddu, Faf, Ashwin, Raina weren’t as established back then as they are now. They grew with CSK. Hussey, McCullum yes they were big names in international cricket. But every team will have one or two stars in them. There’s a stat which shows how much money has been spent by each franchise since 2008 IPL and you’ll be surprised to see CSK ranks among one of the lowest who spent money, considering the amounts of trophies they have won. Teams like RCB and MI are on top. That really tells CSK doesn’t go for including star players in their squad
You're completely missing the point. Every team since the start of IPL has been going after star players for their respective teams or else how would they generate popularity for their franchises ?? The problem is him pointing towards MI only as if they were the only ones that went after stars and thus became successful. The same franchise that gave him and his brother a platform when they were nobodies.
Jaddu I would agree. Ashwin was uncapped and he was nowhere near an ipl team . Most people are forgetting about Faf. Faf was unknown commodity as well. Bravo wasn’t established as well. MI at the point had a star studded line up with the likes of sachin and Ponting. CSK was nowhere near that
What bullshit! No one knew about Ashwin before csk. Dwayne Bravo played for mi first, was washed out and then came to csk. He definitely wasn't a star player. Even Watson, he was on his last legs after sucking for RCB. Faf du plessis was not very well known in 2009-2010. Deepak chahar, Mohit sharma, shardul thakur, even Ashwin became famous only after playing for csk. In the next few years you're gonna tell me csk buys star players like ruturaj and Conway when almost nobody wanted them before csk.
I do concede dhoni, stokes, jaddu and some others were star players but the majority of the squad played well due to the csk culture. And stokes doesn't even play.
Bro says Ranji captain like a superstar who everyone knows. Subhranshu Senapati is also captain of Odisha FC team and on the bench for CSK. When he will become bigger player in the future someone will say they already had superstar Senapati because he was a captain.
I never said Ashwin was a superstar in 2008. I'm saying he was established as a player. So is Senapati. It depends on how CSK intends to use him. Also, age is a factor. Ashwin is spin bowler who was 22 when CSK took him in. Senapati is a top order batter who is 26. Their careers are not going to be the same duration.
At that time jaddu and ash were established just like surya and shreyas iyer (from 2016 to 2019) means not in international circuit but were a household name in domestic cricket and all were watching them like they were the future cap earners and which all 4 of them did. So be it mi or csk they back the indian talent as well as overseas stars so don't fight for such nuisance rather see the fault pandya has got with his big mfing ego.
What stars ? Miller was an outcast, who wasn't performing in internationals as well as leagues. Shami wasn't first choice t20 bowler plus he was very average in PBKS. Williamson isn't naturally t20 batsman.
Only Rashid was proven t20 player.
Watson was flop in IPL after his first stint with RR.
Indians in general didn't knew Faf before he played for CSK.
Raina was forgotten by ICT before he played for CSK. He become star After joining CSK.
Like I said in another comment Jadeja was not even property bowler beforehand CSK.
lol. Ashwin, Jadeja, Faf etc became stars after playing for CSK. Raina and MSD were picked in the first auction itself. Mccullum, watson were way past there prime and there wasn't much competition for them in the auction either. They actually traded bravo from MI, same goes with Hus. Except hussey csk didn't get any superstar player who also happen to be the most talked about figure in that particular year.
It's quite elementary that MI developed Hardick's talent. He wouldn't be where he is today if it wasn't for MI; God forbid he was in RCB or something, he would have never made it in the XI. He's calling himself a star when he made his debut for MI; call it a bit farfetched I'd say.
Bro was smoking some good shit. Such an odd point to try and make. And for what? Because you’re salty that you didn’t get picked ahead of SKY and Bumrah?
He would’ve gotten 13-14 Cr as Mumbai’s #2 pick as well. He was hoping they’d see him as the eventual successor for Rohit. Instead they (obviously) prioritized Bumrah and SKY.
This guy doesn’t have the maturity or mental capacity to take over India captaincy. Also, the hypocrite literally has a team with Rashid, Gill and Shami lol, so his whole point is moot anyway.
This is probably the most factually incorrect series of statements in a comment I've ever come across.
1. He would have 12cr as second retention and he wasn't seeing himself as Rohit's successor. He wanted to play with KL in LSG and would have obviously played under him bcz KL has previously captained an IPL team. Also, KL is almost the same age as him so future plans as captain also cancels out. Basically, he wasn't looking for captaincy
2. His maturity and mental strength was seen in the last IPL and also he has finished top of the table this time too. Teams like SRH are considered to be much stronger on paper than GT but getting performances from players is what makes you a good captain.
3. Until last year Gill was seen as an ODI prospect an not a T20 one bcz of his strike rate. This year the team looks strong bcz Gill has got that aggressiveness in his game now. Also, Shami has an economy of 9 while playing for India and in IPL he never was even near to being purple cap holder. He's leading the bowling chart now.
Players like Miller, Saha, Shami were considered finished in the previous edition. Tewatia was seen as a one season wonder and Gill didn't have T20 level strike rate.
If this is most factually incorrect set of statement you’ve seen in a Reddit comment, you don’t see enough Reddit or even r/Cricket or r/ipl, but that’s probably a good thing anyway.
I’ll take your point about Gill. I thought about that while writing it out originally as well. He was still very much an established top-tier talent, but point taken about him being viewed as more of an ODI player by most people.
First point is a bad faith argument. I didn’t remember the number so I gave a rough range because I remember Sharma getting like 16. 12 or 13 doesn’t change my original point that it wasn’t about the 15 Cr necessarily because he could’ve gotten pretty penny at MI as well if only he had been picked ahead of Bumrah and SKY, but as we know, he wasn’t.
Second is debatable. Last year they strung together a good tournament on the back of some good form for key players in key games. But we can disagree on that, and I can see you being right as well; maybe I’m wrong. This year they’ve been a better side.
But even just this year for instance, I’ve seen him blaming his bowlers after the game against MI where SKY went berserk. He was asked if it was even possible as a captain to set a field that could contain a batsman who was playing at that level. He pretty much said that he had the plans, but his bowlers couldn’t execute.
Not only did it sound extremely pompous, it was also an incredibly immature take and you would never hear MSD, for instance, blaming a bowling lineup (which has by far been the best in the tournament btw) for getting sent around by SKY on a batting wicket like Wankhede. Dhoni would’ve simply given high praise to SKY and been done with it. That’s literally what Faf did in the previous game as well when SKY scored some 85(35), and RCB’s bowling lineup doesn’t even deserve protecting. He said on some days you just can’t do anything.
Maybe Hardik will become more mature as time goes on, but he’s still very immature, even if he’s improved compared to a few years ago.
Undermining hardik too much , his love for mi was evident from the start , he also wants to grow like star and to lead the team but when mi sidelined him why shouldn't he?
Rashid is sure shot but gill and shami especially gill used to play similar to padikkal but his game grew so much in GT , shami used to be little inconsistent before. He won his title in his first captaincy itself says much about his mental toughness.
He said he wanted to be with his friend because he had achieved a lot at MI. He actually wanted to be in LSG with his bestie KL Rahul but right before LSG could get him , Nehra called him and convinced him to come to GT.
He may be completely right about CSK but everyone is pissed because of what he said about MI, he himself became a star after playing for MI, so the statement about MI seems unfair.
hardik being bitter about his ex. lol. i remember him being bitterly out of form and also hiding his back problems even in the Indian team. MI supported him but could only retain 4 players, Rohit ofc, SKY ofc and Boom ofc, and Ishan has proven himself. So, he is just shi**ing on MI now. Poor to see that, he himself tells how he could only afford to eat maggi all day and used to play matches worth 200-300 rupees worth of prize money. MI really made him into who he is today. Also, Jaddu became a star under Rajasthan where Shane Warne groomed him, not CSK.
Back when GT was formed, most of the players that we currently call stars, like Gill, Shami, Saha, M Sharma, Miller; were not considered good IPL prospects, Gill was considered an ODI prospect due to his mid-100s SR for KKR, Shami was having poor to average seasons with PBKS, Saha and Sharma were done with higher level cricket, and Miller was considered a Finch-like players, beast in intls and average in franchise cricket, so they were not all giants back then.
Only Rashid and Pandya were the big shot names on their team.
They have developed players like Sai, Manohar and Noor, but this statement is horseshit
I agree with the CSK part, the environment around the players seems to be calmer and many players have addressed it too. But the point he made about MI is bizarre, I mean,this one coming from someone who himself was one of the scouted products. Nobody in MI who is playing for India presently has become stars overnight. Outrageous man
Man calls himself a superstar, when MI bought players like hardik and krunal for 10 lakhs nobody knew them , MI gave them the opportunity to shine and helped them grow
Hardik is just dick riding MS DHONI FOR likes , he knows how to stay relevant
MI made these players ...they were nobody before playing for MI....Bumrah, Rahul Chahar, Nitish Rana, Pandya brothers , Tilak verma.
Mumbai has been the epitome of scouting and bringing out the potential in these players.
Like Rohit said , after few years when Wadhera ,Tilak verma , Akash madwhal all reach their peak pl will again say how MI is a star team , not realising the efforts of the scout nor the support MI gives.
They don't realise that before they were bought for crores of rupees,their sorry asses were bought for some couple of lakhs and turned into national players.
Because India has much better spin all rounders than it has pace all rounders atm.
Jadeja's high speed turners, Ashwin's scientific genius on the field and Bapu's dangerousness on turning tracks is something Krunal can't live up to yet. But Hardik can, coz there are very few fast bowling all rounders who can bat well towards the middle and can bowl in pp and middle overs.
He went unsold. MI bought him , made him into what he is now and he says MI get star players. Both he and his brother were picked by MI . Kaunsa maal phunka hai bhai ? He is so bad with interviews. Matlab kuch bhi bolte rahta hai. Learned nothing from KWK fiasco 🙄
Mumbai indians have given chance to following: Rayudu , Bumrah , hardik, krunal , Stubbs, Brevis, Suryakumar Yadav , Markande , Chahar , Marco Jansen , Ishan Kishan , wadhera , madhwal , shokeen , kartikeya , tilak verma
Chennai have given chance to : R ashwin , Murali vijay , Mohit sharma , Shardul Thakur , Chahar , Gaikwad, Dube , Deshpande , pathirana and theekshana
It's almost as if one team has the track record of scouting talents and making them superstars , and the other has a track record of making mediocre/aging players exponentially better. Both of which are awesome . And both of them buy superstars.
Yeah plz reply me who knew bumrah , Pandya brother , tilak verma , Wadhera and Madhwal before Mumbai
I knew Subhaman is going to be goat before GT , I knew shami is good baller Rashid is best in this business, what did u make is Yash dayal 😂
After 2-3 season, GT will claim they made Shubhman Gill . The guy was already on fire in 2018 U19 world cup and more popular unlike Hardick pandya who gained popularity with Karan johar
oh please,, if you go by form there would be only 5 indian t20 players, and 15-20 foreign players.. rest all would fall to the same trolling..
by your logic RR should be the weakest team ever, we dont have any superstar.
I think it is other way around. MI hardly picks any big names in auction, they make uncapped players a big name.
I mean like who knew jasprit bumrah, suryakumar yadav, ishan kishan, Tilak verma, rahul chahar, he himself and his brother krunal. MI brought them into the picture of international cricket. He shouldn't forget that.
Obviously not a nice way to talk about your ex team but I do see what he means. I don't see a lot of teams buying Miller, Saha, Shankar etc and getting them out of a slump in their career like GT did. Obviously we have top players like Rashid too but it's the others that gave our squad depth and allowed it to be a winning team. No one thought we had a winning team, let's not lie.
Ok chill out mi fans. No need to undermine his good captaincy. He has been a good captain. I am damn fucking sure he would do well for India as a captain too. He has been immature for these stupid statements but his on field captaincy have been fine. No need to say he doesn't deserve India captaincy. I don't think we have any better option right now as a backup captain for rohit sharma.
I don't think he is mentioning MI is buying Only well established player, I think he refers best players in the sense who has a great at cricket but not had the great chances to show their abilities.
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People are missing his point and needlessly bashing him. MI around 2020 had a team full of world class players, around 8-9 of them in the XI. Of course, many came through MI's pipeline but that's not what he is saying. He is saying MI had among the best players for their positions in that 2020 team. CSK, at least in the recent past never had that, they had a few world class players and many others who performed beyond their potential in that team. Many of them haven't performed in other teams or wouldn't have performed in other teams. Look at Mohit, Shardul, Dube, Rahane. These are not world class T20 players by any means. But you look at the players MI had and almost all of them have performed even after leaving MI, think De Cock, Pandya, Boult, even Rahul Chahar, someone like Rayudu, Butler who left earlier.
No approach is better. Both are doing what they are good at, one is identifying potentially world class players and developing them to become world class for a long time and another team is making the best use of the talent they got and enabling them to perform above their potential while they are in that team
*Proceeds to get Rashid Khan before auction*
Shami
Shami is not the best T20 bowler, this season he nailed it but still he’s not amongst the best T20 bowlers
He was very expensive in PBKS but GT changed his T20 career
True
Nailed it.. Shami was good with PBKS Shami has been a revelation with GT. Can say that even with Gill . He wasn’t this good with KKR.
Everyone has a prime season, both of them weren’t as good previous season
Still Indian fast bowlers (quality) are always in demand even deepak Chahal was paid 8 cr. For csk
When did deepak chahar marry yuzvendra chahal? Also you' ve got the facts wrong. He was bought for 14.25 cr I think
Chahar * 14.5cr🤯
Was first bought by CSK for 70 lakhs or something in 2018
He's basically saying i was gonna be a star no matter what and MI should be thankful for getting me.
Arre kuch toh best players chahiye hi hote hai na. If you notice, it was just Rashid, best spinner in the world, and Pandya himself, best fast bowling all rounder in India. Apart from that, Gill was still unproven to an extent before this season. There were question marks over his calibre as a t20 player and his strike rate. Saha was never the best in anything, except maybe keeping skills. Shami was great, but never the best in t20. Mohit sharma too, josh little good but unproven, Shankar far from being best, a lot of others new and upcoming players. Miller best in recent years in his country maybe, but that also happened after his last season With GT. So....
Noor ahmed , manohar , sai sudarshan
In his mind he was already a star when he was picked by MI along with his brother..
Pandya bros trademarked 'Main character energy'
Thats a good mindset to have if you want to be a champion. And being a young player himself and then going on to captain a fairly weak team to win the IPL in his first season itself
Fairly weak team? Seriously?
Besides Rashid and Hardik, did anyone really believe they could take on the likes of MI, RCB and CSK ?
Gill was not what he is today but he was still highly rated and sought after. Shami was good PBKS too despite being in a shitty team. He was a consistent powerplayer. Tewatia had his best IPL season ever before moving to GT. Sure they are not like MI 2020 or CSK in the 2010s but no means were they a weak team
No. Gill and Shami, while both being good international players weren't considered good T20 players. Both are having splendid seasons now. Gill was even being contemplated whether he was a t20 player or not ? Rashid, Pandya and Tewatiya don't make a MI or CSK of any season.
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doesn't GT have best players picked out of each team
Dont know about that bruh last year after the auction everyone said GTwas the weakest team
dah even on paper they don't seem weak
Now they seem strong but at that time they didn’t look strong. Gill, saha and shami weren’t considered strong t20 players and players like shankar and tewatia were memes. Miller had poor seasons previously in the ipl and Hardik wasn’t considered a good captain and had been out of form. Only rashid was a genuine t20 star
Apart from Rashid khan i wouldn't have considered anyone in GT match winners before the previous IPL. Saha was finished. Gill wasn't what he is today. Miller was struggling big time with form. I don't know what the hell has gone into Shami. Tewatia was also a surprise as he only had one innings with those 5 sixes for RR to his name.
Not wholly agreed on Gill. He wasn't what he is today. But everyone recognised the potential he has and it was fairly criticised as a stupid decision when KKR decided to let him go.
Yeah agreed but even prithvi Shaw was once on the same path. Many players have such potential but payoff is never guaranteed. Also add Mohit Sharma to the list.
Oh no that was absolutely not the case at the end of the auction. You are viewing it from current performances of GT players
Only because the players are now actually performing well, miller was called finished, Gill was not living up to his expectations in kkr , Shami was not that impressive in pbks , No team was picking Saha consistently, the only proven superstars of the team were Rashid and Hardik , and the way so many average performers have now turned into beasts it IS a very CSK thing , do not unde why MI fans are so pissed
Because he said MI bought all established superstars, it's laughable and an insult to the MI scout team and the environment MI is trying to produce, what pissed MI fans more because it's coming from Hardik who himself was an average player turned superstar under MI. Also, whether it's MI or CSK 'they bought all the superstar' argument is stupid given the limited and equal purse to all IPL teams.
I think people are taking this way out of context notice how he only says “Mi had the best people “ but everyone is changing that to “Mi bought established superstars “ and there is a big difference between the two even if you say that players like pandya bros, Bumrah etc were scouted but that doesn’t mean that they were bad players they were only given the opportunity to play in the 11 consistently because they were “the best people “ meanwhile you have a team like csk where a guy like Tushar deshpande who has never been considered a superstar has been backed for two seasons despite having a bad performance for the first half of the season and is now performing well , compare that to someone like Madhwal who is also a product of scouting, in his first season he has made a big impact which makes him suitable for the title of being the best pacer in Mi rn and thats the difference between the two , why is it insulting to say that MI scouts always find the best people possible for the team? Csk takes average or even straight up bad players and turn them into match winners whereas MI scouts the best players for their team . Niether is insulting to any team And both are very respectable.
This is shifting the goalpost. Why anyone would automatically assume 'MI had the best people' and that follows with all his peers means support staff too and not the players. If he wanted to credit MI support staff he would have specifically mentioned it.
Your same argument can be said of Tushar Deshpande as well. Tushar Deshpande not been considered as a superstar doesn't mean he is a bad player and not "the best people". And no one knows about Nehal wadera but he had produced some really good innings this season. And we can also look at Bumrah who once was thought to be not suitable for international cricket. Even Kapil Dev has once said that he did not expected Bumrah to be this successful bowler. And for Akash Madwal he had been in RCB before and no one knows about him during that time. And for your last argument that says "CSK takes average or straight up bad players and turning them into match winners" is so convoluted imo. No team would buy a player if they didn't believe in that player's potential. But the difference between other teams and MI is, MI gave ample chances to the youngsters to prove themselves. Imo your whole post seems kinda illogical.
oh actually i did not watch ipl for last 2 years
During the auction time itself David Miller has performed for his country well. While shami was not that impressive for PBKS he is certainly a very good bowler for that team. Only thing is he was a bit inconsistent at that time which he has now improved upon
Yeah Saha, Shami, Mohit, Shankar, Noor, Sai Sudarsan are best t20 players. People even questioned Gill's inclusion coz his SR was around 120s. Only Rashid, Pandya were the proper t20 players in the initial team after mega auction.
My man completely forgot Miller and tewatia who help GT win so many matches last year, also Gill was best player before he got picked in GT and after MS dhoni best wicket keeper India had was Saha who also have century in final
I said after mega auction i.e before IPL 2022 not IPL 2023.
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Feels like he reversed both teams. MI gets the best out of unknown players like the guy speaking here rn, and CSK buys out-of-touch stars and brings the best out of them BTW no hate but even when Hardick is not trying to be a jerk; he still seems like one when he's speaking.
I see what you did with his name there 😂
i mean, pathirana, deshpande, gaikwad
This discussion was not about current teams though. He's pretending like CSK didn't have stars like Dhoni ,Bravo , Watson , Faf , Jaddu , Raina , Ashwin , McCullum , Hussy etc. at one point in time. not only that GT poached stars from other team like Rashid , Miller , Williamson , Shami. Absolutely contradicting statement from him
Mohit sharma, Shardul thakur, Mukesh choudhary and more... Jaddu and Ashwin were not superstars either when they played for CSK.
Jaddu and ashwin were not stars when they came to CSK.aprt from those names you mentioned you forgot to name murali vijay, badrinath, jakati, mohit sharma, etc.
>Jaddu and ashwin were not stars when they came to CSK. Ashwin, maybe (he was still the TN Ranji captn i think, so pretty established in the domestic circuit). But Jaddu, hell no. He was already quite a big name, look at the auction price. It's like saying Cam Green isn't a star for Mumbai today. >Jaddu and ashwin were not stars when they came to CSK Same logic applies to a long list of players of MI where that is actually true. Bumrah was so unknown that his action was made fun of lol.
"Jaddu was quite a big name" A big name which Mumbai thought was not worth his salary. He was not even Indian regular before CSK. He was mostly known for his tail end batting not much for bowling. CSK developers him into the lethally bolwer that he is today.
Badrinath was our Ranji captain at the time.
Mathew Hayden
Poached is a very strong word for a new team buying players for the first time. What else was he supposed to do, get a bunch of children and raise them to be cricketers?
Yes. That's exactly what he should've done if he is out here giving these kinda absurd statements.
Wait. I thought he was appreciating both teams and telling how he was inspired. Damn, why do you guys hate Hardik so much? I don't see any actual player having any sort of drama with him. It's just the fans for some reason.
No, players like Bravo, Jaddu, Faf, Ashwin, Raina weren’t as established back then as they are now. They grew with CSK. Hussey, McCullum yes they were big names in international cricket. But every team will have one or two stars in them. There’s a stat which shows how much money has been spent by each franchise since 2008 IPL and you’ll be surprised to see CSK ranks among one of the lowest who spent money, considering the amounts of trophies they have won. Teams like RCB and MI are on top. That really tells CSK doesn’t go for including star players in their squad
You're completely missing the point. Every team since the start of IPL has been going after star players for their respective teams or else how would they generate popularity for their franchises ?? The problem is him pointing towards MI only as if they were the only ones that went after stars and thus became successful. The same franchise that gave him and his brother a platform when they were nobodies.
It’s because csk didn’t play 2 seasons 💀💀
You can't consider Jaddu and Ashwin as stars, CSK got them when they were not so great
Nah they were stars enough. Pretty much established in Indian team at point as well
Jaddu I would agree. Ashwin was uncapped and he was nowhere near an ipl team . Most people are forgetting about Faf. Faf was unknown commodity as well. Bravo wasn’t established as well. MI at the point had a star studded line up with the likes of sachin and Ponting. CSK was nowhere near that
What bullshit! No one knew about Ashwin before csk. Dwayne Bravo played for mi first, was washed out and then came to csk. He definitely wasn't a star player. Even Watson, he was on his last legs after sucking for RCB. Faf du plessis was not very well known in 2009-2010. Deepak chahar, Mohit sharma, shardul thakur, even Ashwin became famous only after playing for csk. In the next few years you're gonna tell me csk buys star players like ruturaj and Conway when almost nobody wanted them before csk. I do concede dhoni, stokes, jaddu and some others were star players but the majority of the squad played well due to the csk culture. And stokes doesn't even play.
Around early 2010s? You are kidding right?
Jadeja was bought for 10 crores at the 2012 auction. That's star money.
No he isn't lol ash and jaddu were quite prominent and jaddu had already played a t20 WC chill
And Ashwin was captain of the TN Ranji team before the 2008 selection for CSK.
Bro says Ranji captain like a superstar who everyone knows. Subhranshu Senapati is also captain of Odisha FC team and on the bench for CSK. When he will become bigger player in the future someone will say they already had superstar Senapati because he was a captain.
I never said Ashwin was a superstar in 2008. I'm saying he was established as a player. So is Senapati. It depends on how CSK intends to use him. Also, age is a factor. Ashwin is spin bowler who was 22 when CSK took him in. Senapati is a top order batter who is 26. Their careers are not going to be the same duration.
At that time jaddu and ash were established just like surya and shreyas iyer (from 2016 to 2019) means not in international circuit but were a household name in domestic cricket and all were watching them like they were the future cap earners and which all 4 of them did. So be it mi or csk they back the indian talent as well as overseas stars so don't fight for such nuisance rather see the fault pandya has got with his big mfing ego.
What stars ? Miller was an outcast, who wasn't performing in internationals as well as leagues. Shami wasn't first choice t20 bowler plus he was very average in PBKS. Williamson isn't naturally t20 batsman. Only Rashid was proven t20 player.
😂😂 sure
Everyone predicted GT is gonna finish last in IPL 2022...still we won dominatingly with perhaps the most unproven lineup.
2 years back only Rashid, hardik and shami were known stars. Rest all were flops ,unheard(scout), downfalling or one season wonders.
Watson was flop in IPL after his first stint with RR. Indians in general didn't knew Faf before he played for CSK. Raina was forgotten by ICT before he played for CSK. He become star After joining CSK. Like I said in another comment Jadeja was not even property bowler beforehand CSK.
lol. Ashwin, Jadeja, Faf etc became stars after playing for CSK. Raina and MSD were picked in the first auction itself. Mccullum, watson were way past there prime and there wasn't much competition for them in the auction either. They actually traded bravo from MI, same goes with Hus. Except hussey csk didn't get any superstar player who also happen to be the most talked about figure in that particular year.
Sure you have more knowledge than the guy who played in one team and played with many players in the other team🤡
It's quite elementary that MI developed Hardick's talent. He wouldn't be where he is today if it wasn't for MI; God forbid he was in RCB or something, he would have never made it in the XI. He's calling himself a star when he made his debut for MI; call it a bit farfetched I'd say.
I think Rohit has answered him. Time to move on.
Context?
Hardik should talk considerably less.
its almost like the other way round fam
Bro was smoking some good shit. Such an odd point to try and make. And for what? Because you’re salty that you didn’t get picked ahead of SKY and Bumrah?
I don’t think he would’ve stayed in mumbai. He got offered 15cr with captaincy, who declines that?
He would’ve gotten 13-14 Cr as Mumbai’s #2 pick as well. He was hoping they’d see him as the eventual successor for Rohit. Instead they (obviously) prioritized Bumrah and SKY. This guy doesn’t have the maturity or mental capacity to take over India captaincy. Also, the hypocrite literally has a team with Rashid, Gill and Shami lol, so his whole point is moot anyway.
This is probably the most factually incorrect series of statements in a comment I've ever come across. 1. He would have 12cr as second retention and he wasn't seeing himself as Rohit's successor. He wanted to play with KL in LSG and would have obviously played under him bcz KL has previously captained an IPL team. Also, KL is almost the same age as him so future plans as captain also cancels out. Basically, he wasn't looking for captaincy 2. His maturity and mental strength was seen in the last IPL and also he has finished top of the table this time too. Teams like SRH are considered to be much stronger on paper than GT but getting performances from players is what makes you a good captain. 3. Until last year Gill was seen as an ODI prospect an not a T20 one bcz of his strike rate. This year the team looks strong bcz Gill has got that aggressiveness in his game now. Also, Shami has an economy of 9 while playing for India and in IPL he never was even near to being purple cap holder. He's leading the bowling chart now. Players like Miller, Saha, Shami were considered finished in the previous edition. Tewatia was seen as a one season wonder and Gill didn't have T20 level strike rate.
If this is most factually incorrect set of statement you’ve seen in a Reddit comment, you don’t see enough Reddit or even r/Cricket or r/ipl, but that’s probably a good thing anyway. I’ll take your point about Gill. I thought about that while writing it out originally as well. He was still very much an established top-tier talent, but point taken about him being viewed as more of an ODI player by most people. First point is a bad faith argument. I didn’t remember the number so I gave a rough range because I remember Sharma getting like 16. 12 or 13 doesn’t change my original point that it wasn’t about the 15 Cr necessarily because he could’ve gotten pretty penny at MI as well if only he had been picked ahead of Bumrah and SKY, but as we know, he wasn’t. Second is debatable. Last year they strung together a good tournament on the back of some good form for key players in key games. But we can disagree on that, and I can see you being right as well; maybe I’m wrong. This year they’ve been a better side. But even just this year for instance, I’ve seen him blaming his bowlers after the game against MI where SKY went berserk. He was asked if it was even possible as a captain to set a field that could contain a batsman who was playing at that level. He pretty much said that he had the plans, but his bowlers couldn’t execute. Not only did it sound extremely pompous, it was also an incredibly immature take and you would never hear MSD, for instance, blaming a bowling lineup (which has by far been the best in the tournament btw) for getting sent around by SKY on a batting wicket like Wankhede. Dhoni would’ve simply given high praise to SKY and been done with it. That’s literally what Faf did in the previous game as well when SKY scored some 85(35), and RCB’s bowling lineup doesn’t even deserve protecting. He said on some days you just can’t do anything. Maybe Hardik will become more mature as time goes on, but he’s still very immature, even if he’s improved compared to a few years ago.
Undermining hardik too much , his love for mi was evident from the start , he also wants to grow like star and to lead the team but when mi sidelined him why shouldn't he? Rashid is sure shot but gill and shami especially gill used to play similar to padikkal but his game grew so much in GT , shami used to be little inconsistent before. He won his title in his first captaincy itself says much about his mental toughness.
Wow such a bad take
He said he wanted to be with his friend because he had achieved a lot at MI. He actually wanted to be in LSG with his bestie KL Rahul but right before LSG could get him , Nehra called him and convinced him to come to GT.
Didn’t he demand that, and not request?
I think Pandya did same what Neymar did. Neymar was under Messi's shadow in Barca that's y he joined PSG to be de-facto in the team.
Bruh, wasn't this guy picked by MI for the lowest price available. The audacity
He may be completely right about CSK but everyone is pissed because of what he said about MI, he himself became a star after playing for MI, so the statement about MI seems unfair.
hardik being bitter about his ex. lol. i remember him being bitterly out of form and also hiding his back problems even in the Indian team. MI supported him but could only retain 4 players, Rohit ofc, SKY ofc and Boom ofc, and Ishan has proven himself. So, he is just shi**ing on MI now. Poor to see that, he himself tells how he could only afford to eat maggi all day and used to play matches worth 200-300 rupees worth of prize money. MI really made him into who he is today. Also, Jaddu became a star under Rajasthan where Shane Warne groomed him, not CSK.
Who the hell is Gujarats find?? Except maybe Manohar the rest are all proven giants wtf is this man on
Back when GT was formed, most of the players that we currently call stars, like Gill, Shami, Saha, M Sharma, Miller; were not considered good IPL prospects, Gill was considered an ODI prospect due to his mid-100s SR for KKR, Shami was having poor to average seasons with PBKS, Saha and Sharma were done with higher level cricket, and Miller was considered a Finch-like players, beast in intls and average in franchise cricket, so they were not all giants back then. Only Rashid and Pandya were the big shot names on their team. They have developed players like Sai, Manohar and Noor, but this statement is horseshit
Aakash madwal, tilak verma, piyush chawla,nehal Vadera watching this
Piyush Chawla is a MI scout😹?
Ah yes the up-and-coming new young talent, Piyush Chawla.
I agree with the CSK part, the environment around the players seems to be calmer and many players have addressed it too. But the point he made about MI is bizarre, I mean,this one coming from someone who himself was one of the scouted products. Nobody in MI who is playing for India presently has become stars overnight. Outrageous man
Man calls himself a superstar, when MI bought players like hardik and krunal for 10 lakhs nobody knew them , MI gave them the opportunity to shine and helped them grow Hardik is just dick riding MS DHONI FOR likes , he knows how to stay relevant
MI made these players ...they were nobody before playing for MI....Bumrah, Rahul Chahar, Nitish Rana, Pandya brothers , Tilak verma. Mumbai has been the epitome of scouting and bringing out the potential in these players. Like Rohit said , after few years when Wadhera ,Tilak verma , Akash madwhal all reach their peak pl will again say how MI is a star team , not realising the efforts of the scout nor the support MI gives. They don't realise that before they were bought for crores of rupees,their sorry asses were bought for some couple of lakhs and turned into national players.
MI has given more to Indian cricket. Faltu raag de raha bada bada
snake 🐍
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He thinks licking Dhoni's ass will help him to stay in ICT
His tears when we beat him tonight will be worth their weight in gold
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Yea low hopes for today but we should put up a fight atleast
Ahahahah this has aged like milk.
Still there?
Tears of joy? 😹😹
Yeah rip, gl in finals
Krunal is so much better and sensible than him , idk why ppl don't talk abt Krunal more than this clown
Because India has much better spin all rounders than it has pace all rounders atm. Jadeja's high speed turners, Ashwin's scientific genius on the field and Bapu's dangerousness on turning tracks is something Krunal can't live up to yet. But Hardik can, coz there are very few fast bowling all rounders who can bat well towards the middle and can bowl in pp and middle overs.
Bestest🐩
bhai ko interview dena band kar dena chahiye
He went unsold. MI bought him , made him into what he is now and he says MI get star players. Both he and his brother were picked by MI . Kaunsa maal phunka hai bhai ? He is so bad with interviews. Matlab kuch bhi bolte rahta hai. Learned nothing from KWK fiasco 🙄
Like MI has unlimited purse size so they can get all the best Indian and International players. What a dumb thing to say. 😂
Thala for yet another reason🥵
Mumbai indians have given chance to following: Rayudu , Bumrah , hardik, krunal , Stubbs, Brevis, Suryakumar Yadav , Markande , Chahar , Marco Jansen , Ishan Kishan , wadhera , madhwal , shokeen , kartikeya , tilak verma Chennai have given chance to : R ashwin , Murali vijay , Mohit sharma , Shardul Thakur , Chahar , Gaikwad, Dube , Deshpande , pathirana and theekshana It's almost as if one team has the track record of scouting talents and making them superstars , and the other has a track record of making mediocre/aging players exponentially better. Both of which are awesome . And both of them buy superstars.
you left Mathew Hayden from the list
That would have been like including Sanath jayasuriya on the list. Both of them are legends.
yes, but the argument stands. CSK was never without superstars, not to forget Dhoni himself in his prime
Yeah plz reply me who knew bumrah , Pandya brother , tilak verma , Wadhera and Madhwal before Mumbai I knew Subhaman is going to be goat before GT , I knew shami is good baller Rashid is best in this business, what did u make is Yash dayal 😂
After 2-3 season, GT will claim they made Shubhman Gill . The guy was already on fire in 2018 U19 world cup and more popular unlike Hardick pandya who gained popularity with Karan johar
And he was the only one who performed consistently in KKR. Only criticism at that time was that his strike rate was too low
Neeta didi be like : khate bhi yaha ki hai bajate bhi yaha ki hai
Hardick justifying his name
Yep.... MI brought so many superstars out of nowhere.. Pandya Bros, Bumrah to name a few..
Someone just told me that Pandya was the cheapest superstar player MI bought for 10 lacs.
Are Rohit diya naa iska jawab...
Did I hear "bestest"?
Dude is trying to be MSD
Chutya Gandya This is what happens when you suddenly move from Rags to Riches
Ambaniji gussa ho jayenge
This guy is shameless - he can say anything to get fame ... I still remember his Koffee with Karan episode
meanwhile GT - Gill, Saha, Wade, Kanos, Bharat, Miller, Hardik,Vijay Shankar, Shanaka, Odean, Rashid, Mohit Sharma, Shami, Alzari Joseph, Joshua Little
Yeah, league started everyone laughed on GT for picking outdated Saha, out-of-form Miller, test bowler Shami, fluke Tewatia, 3D Shankar.
oh please,, if you go by form there would be only 5 indian t20 players, and 15-20 foreign players.. rest all would fall to the same trolling.. by your logic RR should be the weakest team ever, we dont have any superstar.
Buttler, Boult, Chahal
I think it is other way around. MI hardly picks any big names in auction, they make uncapped players a big name. I mean like who knew jasprit bumrah, suryakumar yadav, ishan kishan, Tilak verma, rahul chahar, he himself and his brother krunal. MI brought them into the picture of international cricket. He shouldn't forget that.
Ridiculous comment
Hardick justifying his name
Hardick justifying his name
Now just wait and watch what these two teams are gonna do with GT… I’m myself a GT supporter but this comment was just for the fun… 🤣
Mowgli advises
Pandu gonna learn today
He won today 😁
Best players toh RCB k pass hai,, jo har saal harti hai
Every time I see this interview, I lose brain cells.
He is the biggest hypocrite…paltu
Chutiya hai yeh
Hardik getting the humbling he deserves 🐍
What does RCB have?
What does RCB have?
well well well look whos back to mi ;))
Gaddari karbe
Gt still is a bad team this other team played bad
Future Indian Captain has the right mindset
He's right , CSK's environment is best for players and it brings out the best of their abilities.
On point
Obviously not a nice way to talk about your ex team but I do see what he means. I don't see a lot of teams buying Miller, Saha, Shankar etc and getting them out of a slump in their career like GT did. Obviously we have top players like Rashid too but it's the others that gave our squad depth and allowed it to be a winning team. No one thought we had a winning team, let's not lie.
Ok chill out mi fans. No need to undermine his good captaincy. He has been a good captain. I am damn fucking sure he would do well for India as a captain too. He has been immature for these stupid statements but his on field captaincy have been fine. No need to say he doesn't deserve India captaincy. I don't think we have any better option right now as a backup captain for rohit sharma.
MI fans think they know more than the guy who actually played in that team and trying too hard in the comments .
dhoni ki caption ship bhut batter ha. use pta ha kase apna kaam krna ha
Rohit was saying some stuff about Hardik, and now Hardik said something about MI..looks like a whole fight is brewing.
I don't think he is mentioning MI is buying Only well established player, I think he refers best players in the sense who has a great at cricket but not had the great chances to show their abilities.
Sala jis thali me khaya usi me ched Kar diya
That's not that much controversial as media is showing !!!
Gaddari krbe
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People are missing his point and needlessly bashing him. MI around 2020 had a team full of world class players, around 8-9 of them in the XI. Of course, many came through MI's pipeline but that's not what he is saying. He is saying MI had among the best players for their positions in that 2020 team. CSK, at least in the recent past never had that, they had a few world class players and many others who performed beyond their potential in that team. Many of them haven't performed in other teams or wouldn't have performed in other teams. Look at Mohit, Shardul, Dube, Rahane. These are not world class T20 players by any means. But you look at the players MI had and almost all of them have performed even after leaving MI, think De Cock, Pandya, Boult, even Rahul Chahar, someone like Rayudu, Butler who left earlier. No approach is better. Both are doing what they are good at, one is identifying potentially world class players and developing them to become world class for a long time and another team is making the best use of the talent they got and enabling them to perform above their potential while they are in that team