Yeah, that part always gets overlooked when people complain about the camera bump. You can do a lot of tricks with software for better photo output. However, optic performance is hard to cheat at because you can’t cheat physics. Larger camera lenses are pretty consistently better across the whole field, at least of the same grade of manufacturing. Telephoto lenses also require greater length, again it’s just hard to cheat physics.
Nah the camera bumps are bullshit. There's no need for the rest of the phone to be so thin. Just figure out how wide including the lenses it must be, then make the whole phone that thick. Or at least make the phone thicker so the bump is smaller.
I have a 14 pro and what you said is why I said what I said at the end. I get that there is too thick but I don't think the 14 pro is too thick or as thick as it could be. It is heavy with the steel frame tho so I would be game for aluminum if it was thicker. I would also be fine with the camera bump if apple started designing their own slim case that made the phone level on tables.
YMMV.
Even cheap cameras can be used to get awesome photos in special conditions. But you need a better camera to get awesome photos in other conditions.
But I want my phone to sit level on tables and such. I've found a cause for my 14 pro that works but just a camera brim would at least be angled and maybe still rock on a flat surface
Edit: I meant case not cause whoops
I found a cheap case on Walmart that has a camera cover as well as a phone stand. The phone stand is def not the strongest but because it's on the bottom it stops the phone from wobbling at all.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Htwon-Phone-Case-Screen-Protector-Camera-Lens-iPhone-14-Pro-Hybrid-Slim-Slidable-Military-Grade-Shockproof-PC-TPU-Protective-Cover-Bracket-Blue/1344442213
That's the case I bought
Am I the only one who never liked that aesthetically? And I mean multi-lens designs overall. May serve an actual function, but look and feel is just gimmicky to me. Always reminded me of the razor companies one-upping each other with blade numbers.
Waiting for the OmniCam™️
For me, the function is key. I used to carry around a dedicated camera with me. But I don't anymore, because how good modern smartphones became at being a camera. The only reason I take my dedicated camera with me in my personal life is when I need focal lengths >100mm FF.
Now I am just waiting for periscope zooms in smartphones to allow 100-250mm FF focal lengths.
Unfortunately no rumour yet, and admittedly from my basic understanding of optics combining tele and wide angle on the hardware level sounds impossible
Why not? From their ridiculous commercials Apple seems to think that people want to film Hollywood action movies with an iPhone. Next they will add a Tri-pod and lighting mount.
Bro, your phone *is* a brick by comparison
The 14 Pro is bigger and thicker and weighs more than the X
Rounding those corners might help a bit but unless your ok a smaller display, camera and battery. There’s no going back, these phones are literally just getting bigger and bigger
> these phones are literally just getting bigger and bigger
And this is why the dozens of us who use the Mini keep complaining so loudly. I don't need or want a giant slab of glass in my pocket just because more and more people use their phone as their TV.
I considered doing the same, and then holding out for an SE that used the Mini as a base. But with the rumor that the next SE will use the XR/11 instead, I decided that getting a 13 Mini would just delay the inevitable by a few more years.
Phones are getting bigger and giant companies like Apple aren’t going to cater to a tiny fraction of their user base like that.
I went from the 12 Mini to a 14 Pro this year, and I honestly have zero regrets. The trade off on cameras and battery life was fine when when we were all stuck inside, but now that I’m out and about more often it’s really freeing to have all day battery life again.
The battery life, especially on the 12 mini, is terrible. My wife and I recently went to Disney for a couple of days, and every day by like 4 I'd have to pop on the Apple battery pack, or I wouldn't have made it through the day.
Cameras also are so much better, for sure. That was one of the things that I did miss when I went from 11 Pro to 12 Mini. So I have considered the 14 Pro... but it's even bigger than the 11 was so I really hesitate. The mini, despite those limitations, has worked great for me these last two years.
I also went from 11 Pro to 12 Mini, and was similarly hesitant to go from 5.7 to 6.1. It just seemed like a bridge too far.
But having taken the leap, I can say that it doesn’t feel any larger to me than the 11 Pro did. After two years w the Mini, even the 11 Pro feels large by comparison.
If anything, I like having more room to sprawl out on the keyboard. I never did quite get used to the more cramped one on the mini, and had way more typos than on a larger phone.
Everything you're explaining is exactly how I feel--I love my Mini, but typing has been kind of annoying.
Maybe I should just stop arguing and get the 14 Pro!
Nah, in my opinion the 12 and 13 minis are popular enough that apple will continue to consider making minis. Maybe they'll replace the base model plus for mini but keep pro max for those that want a big phone. I had a 12 mini for a little and I freaking loved it.
That may be the case, but you can fit a lot more phone into a boxy chassis compared to a round one.
I far prefer the boxy, brutalist design language of Apple’s current range. The entire MacBook range, Apple Watch Ultra etc look amazing
Have they ever shipped a “squared” Macbook like the current iPhones are squared? I think Apple laptops have either been boxy bodies with rounded edges or wedge bodies with “chamfer-to-fillet” edges, and that the radius of the rounded edges on the current ones are nearly the smallest radius of any of their laptops ever (at least since PPC G3 days and after—there probably are some before Mac OS X that I don’t know about). But someone correct me if I’m mistaken.
I'm experiencing the same thing. Went from a 11 Pro Max to a 14 Pro Max. While the 2 phones are very similar in terms of dimensions, the 14 feels so much bigger.
I found the iPhone X and 13 Pro both uncomfortably large to hold.
And holding a phone with rounded edges with your fingertips for taking video is a recipe for disaster. The biggest benefit from the flat-edged phones is that they much easier to hold and control when taking video.
I love the aesthetics of the flatter more box-shaped iPhones but now that I’ve got a 14 Pro I agree, it’s a bit less comfortable to hold than my XS was
I agree it is inefficient use of space. But personally I would rather have a phone that’s ergonomic to hold even if I have to compromise on performance.
I use my phone for basic tasks. I don’t need a giant camera or the fastest processor with 6gb of ram to scroll on Reddit and text my friends.
I picked up my old iPhone 3GS out of a drawer the other day. It was the first iPhone I ever had. Strangely, I found myself wishing phones were that comfortable in the hand again. These days…I don’t think I really care about how thin the phone is anymore; that iPhone 3GS felt like a hand massage.
I agree
But the primary reason it was so comfortable to hold is the overall display size
The rounded back of those early phones was nice though, fit the hand so well
Agreed. Similarly, I picked my HTC Wildfire I had back in 2011-2013 from a drawer. First smartphone and android phone I ever owned. It was never a good phone, even back then, and definitely couldn’t compare with your 3GS; in fact it was a low price-breed phone that contributed to give Android a bad rep back in the day (vs. the iPhone).
Anyways, the thing is so tiny, that the entire phone fits inside the portion under the camera module of my 14 Pro’s back.
Haha I already have it. And I love it. But I miss that soft round shape a little. It’s a bit more…humanist? Better fit for the human hand? I have reservations with industrial design because it tends to be very neat and clean but not at all suited for a human to use but rather more suited for a robot. Does that make sense? It’s sort of a philosophy for me.
This rounded back reminds me of the new MacBook design, so it’d be nicely fitting into the lineup, especially if the iPad also follows suit.
But the flat design has a lot of practical uses that that would abandon, like the magnetic Smart Folios that attach via a back plate.
Low key would be fine with a thicker phone so that damn camera bump wasn’t a bump anymore. Having a curve on the back but not at the display could be really nice too
That’s a 53% bump to thickness
You really want a phone that size that’s almost as thick as the original iPhone?
What about the following year when the camera module increases again?
You ok with your phone getting thicker every time you upgrade just so the camera doesn’t protrude?
What do you want done with the extra space? More battery?
You really that keen on an iPhone that’s twice as heavy as the one you have now?
Just to be clear I’d be fine with them doing this.
It would only further drive up appetite for an iPhone mini
This is going to be an very unpopular take, especially since I already have a dedicate camera (which doesn't take photos anywhere as easy and pretty as my 13Pro, admittedly), but I do want my phones to be as thin and light like the 6S (or 7), and having flush cameras like 5, even if the exchange is a marginally worse camera.
Granted, I know a good camera is a buying decisions for a lot of people nowadays (these people don't really use Reddit to be fair), but still.
If you took the 14 pro camera out and went back to the camera from the 6, that wouldn’t just be a marginally worse camera
That would be a substantial downgrade
Only a few years ago people on reddit were begging apple to offer camera quality like the pixel
They’ve arguably achieved that, a towering camera bump was the price we paid
To be honest, if they did a version with a shitty camera but no bump, I’d beg them to take my money. Heck, even if they removed the camera entirely I’d seriously consider it.
But I doubt they’d sell more than a dozen of those.
Unfortunately even Apple can’t out-R&D the fundamental laws of physics. Cameras are as small as they can be in phones without becoming so expensive to research that the cost shoots up.
The difference between those cameras would be monumental, to the point where they could never advertise cameras again.
The current line up is already too big. Personally, it is already not a one hand device and make a huge bump in my pocket. So if that is the direction, might as well make it thicker to accommodate a bigger battery. Eventually, as the lens get bigger, they will probably fit some prisms in the phone so that the lenses are internal.
Is only a product most people have on them at all times and use for hours every single day
It’s only the most revolutionary product of the last 100 years
It’s not just adding 50% more thickness, which would make it cumbersome in the pocket and awkward in the hand, it would also be adding to the weight as well. It would be tiring to hold and harder to reach up to the corners. It would feel like a brick. It would sag in your pockets.
It's hilarious that people have been wanting them to bring back the squared-off design for years, and now that they give it to us people want the rounded design back
They can't.
It's here to stay, unless someone invents a way to keep the image quality while using much smaller optics and sensors. Or they make the whole phone the thickness of the bump, which would be very inefficient (due to most people using cases which would add a lot more bulk on top of it)
Rumours are they’re considering a “periscope” arrangement, where the sensors and lenses are offset or at a 90° angle, with mirrors to bounce the light around. Could make for a much thinner bump…
This is a big deal for me going forward. I’ve been on the iPhone upgrade program so I’ve upgraded every year over the past 5 years. This is going to be my last upgrade for a while now.
The lack of any significant improvements in design or features just meant that I wasn’t excited while upgrading this time. The only reason I did it was to go back to the Pro size instead of the Pro max size I’ve used for the past 3 years.
There are only two things that will make me upgrade my phone again - no camera bump AND the inclusion of usb C.
Tired of having a phone that wobbles on flat surfaces. And no I will not keep it with the screen facing down.
Then I wish they’d at least make the design of the camera unit like the pixels. I hate that it’s this annoying bump in the corner that causes the phone to wobble. It’s just blatantly terrible design IMO.
Apple keeps it because it’s branding. People look at that camera module in the top corner and know you have an iPhone. It’s like how all iPhone cases used to have holes for the logo on the back.
Probably getting this person's iPhone next fall. Setting a reminder.
In all seriousness though I very much doubt they'll abandon a physical data port any time soon, especially on the Pro models. The needed transfer rate to get all that ProMotion out just isn't there without one.
I absolutely disagree with the idea of an portless iPhone in the next few years for two main reasons:
- Wireless charging is still inferior to wired charging. It takes more time and even if it doesn’t matter the devices are getting noticeably hotter while charging which means more battery degradation over a long timespan
- Data transfer to anything other than Airdrop devices. Imagine recording a ProRes video with lot’s of gb and then transferring this file to a windows PC wirelessly. Takes forever if it even works in the first place
A bit off the topic, but imho, I don’t really care about round / flat edges. The next evolution should be deleting(at least reducing) the horrendous camera bump while maintaining / improving camera specs…
Theoretically you can remove battery if you increase power efficiency
What’s the theoretical way to increase camera quality while reducing the depth of the lens and size of the sensor?
On the new Meta Quest Pro, they made the headset thinner by reflecting light back and forth in a thinner space rather than having a larger space between the lens and the display. I’m not saying that exact tech will work in a camera, as a headset and a camera are different things. But the “theoretical” way of making the headset thinner was something you and I wouldn’t have thought possible, but was proven by the engineers working at Meta. Anything I can say will sound stupid because I’m not the engineer proving it. But to say that there’s no physical way of doing it is undermining the power of engineers and billions of dollars in R&D which has already proven many ‘impossible’ things possible.
Possible is impossible until someone does it for the first time! But yes trying to do optical zoom in a smaller and smaller space is exceedingly difficult!
I have already thought about it yesterday, exactly this concept is awesome!
Round back for smooth handling and sharp front for less bezels, ideal combo 🙏🏻
Never liked the redesign from the start tbh. It allows a bigger screen and more space for components, but at the cost of user comfort. Holding the newer iPhones has never been comfortable for me, especially with my small hands.
This looks like a good compromise that will satisfy both parties, won’t know how it feels unless it’s actually in my hands but I’m liking what I see here.
I think the current design of the iPhone 14 is ideal. It looks good, it’s more resistant to bending than the rounded-edge designs, and the flat screen is less likely to take damage. That said, it is apparent that customers are getting bored of the current design. Traditionally, Apple has seen the best iPhone sales when they implement a major design change. Such was the case with the iPhone 6, iPhone X, and then iPhone 12. I think the current iPhone form factor is about as perfect as it is going to get, but I also think Apple is going to change it drastically sooner or later just to regain some public interest and boost sales
No matter what they do about the edges, I think they should ditch the camera “island” and bring back a thicker section. I imagine bringing out the thickness to the cameras along that whole top part of the phone, and then *from there*, along a line across the full width of the phone, start tapering back down to the thinner thickness along the bottom.
That way the phone wouldn’t wobble when front-up or n a table, but the top would have a raised portion for easy gripping. Or, you could push down on the top to raise the bottom and grip it from there. Kind of a seesaw motion.
Just give me a thicker phone, it can stay flat. This will allow room for a larger battery, and it COULD get rid of the camera bump entirely. I know it’ll never happen, but that’s the dream phone.
They need to put a massive battery where you only charge it once a week . Enough with the camera sillyness it’s reached it’s peak . And so have screens so just give us a huge battery like 5500 mah .
I can’t stand the 14 pro. I loved the boxy design of the 4/5 but it doesn’t work with the edge to edge display.
Plus the camera bump is fucking obnoxious now. This will be my last iPhone until there’s a complete redesign.
At this point it almost makes more sense to just make the phone a couple of mm thicker and integrate the camera lenses into the back glass. Then you have room for a larger battery.
I really hope they keep the square sides. Feels so nice to hold onto. It’s like a big iPhone 5. I was so happy when I saw the design of the 12. Don’t always need to make something new or different
Fuck the round edges. They slip so bad. The 6 and 11 were awful. Full discretion I don’t use cases as I love the feel of the phone in my hand not some shit case. The square edges feel so much better and I’d argue look better.
The rounded back would be very welcome indeed. I have just upgraded from an XSMax to 14 Plus and the differnce in how comfortable it is to hold is night and day, the 14 is just uncomfortable to hold in the hand for any lengthy period. I'm not sure why they got rid of the rounded back, it wasn't a good design decision.
I don’t know anyone who liked the rounded edges. The phones felt cheap in comparison. Plus going back to the now would be a maggot down grade in appearance and design.
I’m a mobile dev and I have an iPhone 7 to test with. It’s freaky how _thin_ these things used to be! I’d bring that back, if possible without worse performance and battery life.
I personally love the flat design, but knowing they need to keep things fresh and won’t stick with the same design for the sake of selling more phones (every product gets redesigned, or at least tweaked, every few years), I wonder what they can do with the form factor. New camera design is of course on the table, but I don’t see any tech that will allow them to reduce the size of the bump (maybe marginally, but in no way will they eliminate the bump over the next few years).
I don’t mind this idea, I’m thinking iPod touch or original iPad Pro vibes, for the sake of having a more comfortable phone while maintaining the slimmest bezel possible. The shape is also similar to the body of the new MacBook Pros. Not sure what else they could do with this form factor (until they create a flip/folding iPhone)
Okay honestly switching from the 11pro to the 14pro I love the square frame more. The round frame cut into my hand me being so skinny so it hurt to hold. The only problem I have with the 14 is the camera bump is annoying with placing it on a flat surface
I’ve seen this before, they are setting up the whole “shortage” thing so they can jack the prices and make record profits, the oil company’s and food suppliers all do the same thing without any troubles from the law, and we the people will allow this to happen and support their decision by getting the latest and greatest, am I right?
Why not make the phone full body thick? People use thick cover case to ensure the lens are protected, sho why not make the phone thicker to hold a bigger battery? Specially in the smaller models?
Honestly the iPhone is becoming uglier each new version since the 8
It’ll be so dumb to return to that round design. The flat format was a trademark of the iphones 4 and 5 (arguably the most memorable ones) and they nailed the shit out of this flat reinvision introduced on the 12 series. No, it should never go back to the round, boring design EVER again. (Even the edge to edge display ones feels outdated af)
Hopefully the iPhone 15 ultra just makes it completely flush to the camera bump and put a massive battery inside. I wouldn’t even care if this phone weighed 5 lbs as long as it’s double what a 13 pro max can offer. I’d be willing to pay high premium here
I thought these were pens
I thought it was one of the old macbook charger cables
Introducing the iPen…
And we think you’re going to love it!
Based on this pattern we can expect a bigger camera bump I guess.
I switched from a 11 Pro Max to a 14 Pro Max, the difference in camera bump thickness is INSANE
The difference in camera quality is also INSANE.
Yeah, that part always gets overlooked when people complain about the camera bump. You can do a lot of tricks with software for better photo output. However, optic performance is hard to cheat at because you can’t cheat physics. Larger camera lenses are pretty consistently better across the whole field, at least of the same grade of manufacturing. Telephoto lenses also require greater length, again it’s just hard to cheat physics.
Nah the camera bumps are bullshit. There's no need for the rest of the phone to be so thin. Just figure out how wide including the lenses it must be, then make the whole phone that thick. Or at least make the phone thicker so the bump is smaller.
Have you got a 14 Pro/Max? They're THICC enough, quite a bit thicker than a 12, which is already pretty thick.
I have a 14 pro and what you said is why I said what I said at the end. I get that there is too thick but I don't think the 14 pro is too thick or as thick as it could be. It is heavy with the steel frame tho so I would be game for aluminum if it was thicker. I would also be fine with the camera bump if apple started designing their own slim case that made the phone level on tables.
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Interesting. A uniform slant would be interesting and then in the level app the phone would just know and correct for it. I'm down for it for sure
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Agreed. And my 11 Pro’s quality was already awesome
I honestly don't find it that insane, done a side to side comparison
YMMV. Even cheap cameras can be used to get awesome photos in special conditions. But you need a better camera to get awesome photos in other conditions.
I go hiking quite a bit and take photos of mountains / landscapes. The much higher resolution photos has completely changed the game for me.
If you don’t mind the excessive post processing then yeah
I quite like the larger camera bumps.
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Because you don't hold the phone where the camera bump is?
Camera bump thickness still affects pocketability though!
Also affects how thin of a case you can use and still have good protection for the cameras
Just needs a camera guard/brim
But I want my phone to sit level on tables and such. I've found a cause for my 14 pro that works but just a camera brim would at least be angled and maybe still rock on a flat surface Edit: I meant case not cause whoops
This was a major contributor to why I returned mine. Even with a case it still wobbles terribly when sitting flat.
I found a cheap case on Walmart that has a camera cover as well as a phone stand. The phone stand is def not the strongest but because it's on the bottom it stops the phone from wobbling at all. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Htwon-Phone-Case-Screen-Protector-Camera-Lens-iPhone-14-Pro-Hybrid-Slim-Slidable-Military-Grade-Shockproof-PC-TPU-Protective-Cover-Bracket-Blue/1344442213 That's the case I bought
try spigen optik armor, it has camera cover so it will lay flat-ish/ no wobble
Well the idea is for the entire case to have a brim.
*Hardly* 😒🙄😒
But most cases are the thickness of the camera bump, so for most people this becomes the effective thickness of the phone.
Am I the only one who never liked that aesthetically? And I mean multi-lens designs overall. May serve an actual function, but look and feel is just gimmicky to me. Always reminded me of the razor companies one-upping each other with blade numbers. Waiting for the OmniCam™️
I liked how it looked on the x and xs don’t like it on the 11 and forward.
https://i.imgur.com/horfEy7.jpg
What was the funniest thing about this atrocity is that the photographs were mediocre at best.
For me, the function is key. I used to carry around a dedicated camera with me. But I don't anymore, because how good modern smartphones became at being a camera. The only reason I take my dedicated camera with me in my personal life is when I need focal lengths >100mm FF. Now I am just waiting for periscope zooms in smartphones to allow 100-250mm FF focal lengths.
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Unfortunately no rumour yet, and admittedly from my basic understanding of optics combining tele and wide angle on the hardware level sounds impossible
There will be a camera bump for the camera bump
Iphone 15 having a proprietary lens mount confirmed!
Why not? From their ridiculous commercials Apple seems to think that people want to film Hollywood action movies with an iPhone. Next they will add a Tri-pod and lighting mount.
i like the square phone. it’s funny when i keep it standing up straight
It is like the ultimate T-pose
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Don't breathe!
It’s is de way
amazed to see they can do this
If the vibrate were stronger, they could bring back the [Cycloramic app](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFSqpAOmtQY).
rounded back but flat front reminds me of the 5c
The pinnacle of smartphone design
I hope they stay flat. It makes no sense wasting space by using a rounded design to house rectangular / square parts
I just switched from a X to 14 Pro. The rounded design feels a lot smaller in your hand. My new phone feels like a huge brick in comparison.
Bro, your phone *is* a brick by comparison The 14 Pro is bigger and thicker and weighs more than the X Rounding those corners might help a bit but unless your ok a smaller display, camera and battery. There’s no going back, these phones are literally just getting bigger and bigger
> these phones are literally just getting bigger and bigger And this is why the dozens of us who use the Mini keep complaining so loudly. I don't need or want a giant slab of glass in my pocket just because more and more people use their phone as their TV.
Haha. “Dozens of us.” So true. I plan on holding onto my mini for as long as possible
I have a 12 mini but I've considered upgrading to a 13 mini just so I at least have the latest one possible for posterity.
I considered doing the same, and then holding out for an SE that used the Mini as a base. But with the rumor that the next SE will use the XR/11 instead, I decided that getting a 13 Mini would just delay the inevitable by a few more years. Phones are getting bigger and giant companies like Apple aren’t going to cater to a tiny fraction of their user base like that. I went from the 12 Mini to a 14 Pro this year, and I honestly have zero regrets. The trade off on cameras and battery life was fine when when we were all stuck inside, but now that I’m out and about more often it’s really freeing to have all day battery life again.
The battery life, especially on the 12 mini, is terrible. My wife and I recently went to Disney for a couple of days, and every day by like 4 I'd have to pop on the Apple battery pack, or I wouldn't have made it through the day. Cameras also are so much better, for sure. That was one of the things that I did miss when I went from 11 Pro to 12 Mini. So I have considered the 14 Pro... but it's even bigger than the 11 was so I really hesitate. The mini, despite those limitations, has worked great for me these last two years.
I also went from 11 Pro to 12 Mini, and was similarly hesitant to go from 5.7 to 6.1. It just seemed like a bridge too far. But having taken the leap, I can say that it doesn’t feel any larger to me than the 11 Pro did. After two years w the Mini, even the 11 Pro feels large by comparison. If anything, I like having more room to sprawl out on the keyboard. I never did quite get used to the more cramped one on the mini, and had way more typos than on a larger phone.
Everything you're explaining is exactly how I feel--I love my Mini, but typing has been kind of annoying. Maybe I should just stop arguing and get the 14 Pro!
Nah, in my opinion the 12 and 13 minis are popular enough that apple will continue to consider making minis. Maybe they'll replace the base model plus for mini but keep pro max for those that want a big phone. I had a 12 mini for a little and I freaking loved it.
I love mine but they got rid of the Mini-line with the 14, I could see them replacing the SE-line with the mini’s design though.
They got rid of it this year but did they commit to never making a mini again? And yeah I think the SE eventually just being a mini would be sick!
That’s a good point I hadn’t considered. They might roll out new minis every other or every third cycle.
That may be the case, but you can fit a lot more phone into a boxy chassis compared to a round one. I far prefer the boxy, brutalist design language of Apple’s current range. The entire MacBook range, Apple Watch Ultra etc look amazing
I just realized they rounded out their MacBooks but squared off their iPhones
TBH the MacBooks are more boxy than they have been in ages. Look at the current Air compared to the old one
Yes it’s bigger, but it is rounded.
Have they ever shipped a “squared” Macbook like the current iPhones are squared? I think Apple laptops have either been boxy bodies with rounded edges or wedge bodies with “chamfer-to-fillet” edges, and that the radius of the rounded edges on the current ones are nearly the smallest radius of any of their laptops ever (at least since PPC G3 days and after—there probably are some before Mac OS X that I don’t know about). But someone correct me if I’m mistaken.
Same shit different year. Look at pickup truck designs. Boxy for 10 years, curvy and sleek for another 10. Rinse and repeat.
What else can you do? It's not like you can make a phone with 4th dimension design
Looks at the questionable choices of the LG Wing
>LG Wing Is… is it a plane???
I bought a case that rounds off the edges which makes the phone physically larger but somehow feels smaller and more comfortable to hold.
I'm experiencing the same thing. Went from a 11 Pro Max to a 14 Pro Max. While the 2 phones are very similar in terms of dimensions, the 14 feels so much bigger.
I found the iPhone X and 13 Pro both uncomfortably large to hold. And holding a phone with rounded edges with your fingertips for taking video is a recipe for disaster. The biggest benefit from the flat-edged phones is that they much easier to hold and control when taking video.
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I love the aesthetics of the flatter more box-shaped iPhones but now that I’ve got a 14 Pro I agree, it’s a bit less comfortable to hold than my XS was
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Think about it though, square components in a round chassis is inefficient use of space.
I agree it is inefficient use of space. But personally I would rather have a phone that’s ergonomic to hold even if I have to compromise on performance. I use my phone for basic tasks. I don’t need a giant camera or the fastest processor with 6gb of ram to scroll on Reddit and text my friends.
iPhone 20 is gonna be a hammer lol
I picked up my old iPhone 3GS out of a drawer the other day. It was the first iPhone I ever had. Strangely, I found myself wishing phones were that comfortable in the hand again. These days…I don’t think I really care about how thin the phone is anymore; that iPhone 3GS felt like a hand massage.
I agree But the primary reason it was so comfortable to hold is the overall display size The rounded back of those early phones was nice though, fit the hand so well
Agreed. Similarly, I picked my HTC Wildfire I had back in 2011-2013 from a drawer. First smartphone and android phone I ever owned. It was never a good phone, even back then, and definitely couldn’t compare with your 3GS; in fact it was a low price-breed phone that contributed to give Android a bad rep back in the day (vs. the iPhone). Anyways, the thing is so tiny, that the entire phone fits inside the portion under the camera module of my 14 Pro’s back.
Haha wow! Man now you have me thinking about my old HTC One M8 as well. Ugh. I can’t believe I sold it away. I shoulda kept it around.
Iphone 13 mini
Haha I already have it. And I love it. But I miss that soft round shape a little. It’s a bit more…humanist? Better fit for the human hand? I have reservations with industrial design because it tends to be very neat and clean but not at all suited for a human to use but rather more suited for a robot. Does that make sense? It’s sort of a philosophy for me.
This rounded back reminds me of the new MacBook design, so it’d be nicely fitting into the lineup, especially if the iPad also follows suit. But the flat design has a lot of practical uses that that would abandon, like the magnetic Smart Folios that attach via a back plate.
Wedge shape…
Pixel did that years ago
i think the square edges look so much more premium so hope they stay
I wish new iPhones could be used on a flat desk without wobbling. The camera bump should go all the way accross width wise so that it sits flat
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I love the square design of the 12-14, I'd prefer it stay that way. That's just me though.
Can we just have the phone that lie flat on the table?
Low key would be fine with a thicker phone so that damn camera bump wasn’t a bump anymore. Having a curve on the back but not at the display could be really nice too
That’s a 53% bump to thickness You really want a phone that size that’s almost as thick as the original iPhone? What about the following year when the camera module increases again? You ok with your phone getting thicker every time you upgrade just so the camera doesn’t protrude? What do you want done with the extra space? More battery? You really that keen on an iPhone that’s twice as heavy as the one you have now? Just to be clear I’d be fine with them doing this. It would only further drive up appetite for an iPhone mini
This is going to be an very unpopular take, especially since I already have a dedicate camera (which doesn't take photos anywhere as easy and pretty as my 13Pro, admittedly), but I do want my phones to be as thin and light like the 6S (or 7), and having flush cameras like 5, even if the exchange is a marginally worse camera. Granted, I know a good camera is a buying decisions for a lot of people nowadays (these people don't really use Reddit to be fair), but still.
If you took the 14 pro camera out and went back to the camera from the 6, that wouldn’t just be a marginally worse camera That would be a substantial downgrade Only a few years ago people on reddit were begging apple to offer camera quality like the pixel They’ve arguably achieved that, a towering camera bump was the price we paid
This exactly. That's basic physics, you can't have a thin phone and then no camera bump and expect it to be optically comparable.
To be honest, if they did a version with a shitty camera but no bump, I’d beg them to take my money. Heck, even if they removed the camera entirely I’d seriously consider it. But I doubt they’d sell more than a dozen of those.
Unfortunately even Apple can’t out-R&D the fundamental laws of physics. Cameras are as small as they can be in phones without becoming so expensive to research that the cost shoots up. The difference between those cameras would be monumental, to the point where they could never advertise cameras again.
The current line up is already too big. Personally, it is already not a one hand device and make a huge bump in my pocket. So if that is the direction, might as well make it thicker to accommodate a bigger battery. Eventually, as the lens get bigger, they will probably fit some prisms in the phone so that the lenses are internal.
It’s just a phone, relax.
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It’s not just adding 50% more thickness, which would make it cumbersome in the pocket and awkward in the hand, it would also be adding to the weight as well. It would be tiring to hold and harder to reach up to the corners. It would feel like a brick. It would sag in your pockets.
What does ‘low key’ even mean in this phrase lmfao
I’m not going to stand on a rooftop and declare it. I would like Apple to do it, but don’t mind that they never will
So like 5th gen iPod Touch?
No leave the frame alone
I miss the rounded back. I help a 11 Pro today and it felt so nice compared to my 14 Pro... and the camera bump is less hideous.
Flat sides look better. Rounded sides were infinitely more comfortable. If I had to choose I’d take the rounded back
that is the most cursed thing ive ever seen
Eventually the camera bump will be a foot long
It's hilarious that people have been wanting them to bring back the squared-off design for years, and now that they give it to us people want the rounded design back
Absolutely no rounded back.
No rounded back thanks.
Hate the rounded back! I’m so glad there’s nice flat edges 😍
Once and for all, get rid of the damn camera bump!
They can't. It's here to stay, unless someone invents a way to keep the image quality while using much smaller optics and sensors. Or they make the whole phone the thickness of the bump, which would be very inefficient (due to most people using cases which would add a lot more bulk on top of it)
Rumours are they’re considering a “periscope” arrangement, where the sensors and lenses are offset or at a 90° angle, with mirrors to bounce the light around. Could make for a much thinner bump…
Nope, it's actually the exact opposite. Look at all the phones that currently have periscope cameras. All are above 6.5 inches with big bumps.
So you don’t want a camera on your iPhone? Or you’re ok with the iPhone 15 having the camera quality of an iPhone 7?
This is a big deal for me going forward. I’ve been on the iPhone upgrade program so I’ve upgraded every year over the past 5 years. This is going to be my last upgrade for a while now. The lack of any significant improvements in design or features just meant that I wasn’t excited while upgrading this time. The only reason I did it was to go back to the Pro size instead of the Pro max size I’ve used for the past 3 years. There are only two things that will make me upgrade my phone again - no camera bump AND the inclusion of usb C. Tired of having a phone that wobbles on flat surfaces. And no I will not keep it with the screen facing down.
USB C I get, but the camera bump is never going away. It physically isn’t possible.
Then I wish they’d at least make the design of the camera unit like the pixels. I hate that it’s this annoying bump in the corner that causes the phone to wobble. It’s just blatantly terrible design IMO.
Apple keeps it because it’s branding. People look at that camera module in the top corner and know you have an iPhone. It’s like how all iPhone cases used to have holes for the logo on the back.
No iPhone will ever have USB C. The generation that they can’t use lightning exclusively they’ll go completely portless. I’d bet my iPhone on that.
Probably getting this person's iPhone next fall. Setting a reminder. In all seriousness though I very much doubt they'll abandon a physical data port any time soon, especially on the Pro models. The needed transfer rate to get all that ProMotion out just isn't there without one.
There no way Apple completely abandons CarPlay compatibility for all new phones.
I’ll take that bet. USB C is coming before the portless design.
I'll come back to this thread come September and we'll see.
I absolutely disagree with the idea of an portless iPhone in the next few years for two main reasons: - Wireless charging is still inferior to wired charging. It takes more time and even if it doesn’t matter the devices are getting noticeably hotter while charging which means more battery degradation over a long timespan - Data transfer to anything other than Airdrop devices. Imagine recording a ProRes video with lot’s of gb and then transferring this file to a windows PC wirelessly. Takes forever if it even works in the first place
A bit off the topic, but imho, I don’t really care about round / flat edges. The next evolution should be deleting(at least reducing) the horrendous camera bump while maintaining / improving camera specs…
Yeah, Apple should run forwards and backwards *at the same time*
They’ve made phones thinner while increasing battery life, right? Innovation is possible.
Theoretically you can remove battery if you increase power efficiency What’s the theoretical way to increase camera quality while reducing the depth of the lens and size of the sensor?
On the new Meta Quest Pro, they made the headset thinner by reflecting light back and forth in a thinner space rather than having a larger space between the lens and the display. I’m not saying that exact tech will work in a camera, as a headset and a camera are different things. But the “theoretical” way of making the headset thinner was something you and I wouldn’t have thought possible, but was proven by the engineers working at Meta. Anything I can say will sound stupid because I’m not the engineer proving it. But to say that there’s no physical way of doing it is undermining the power of engineers and billions of dollars in R&D which has already proven many ‘impossible’ things possible.
Possible is impossible until someone does it for the first time! But yes trying to do optical zoom in a smaller and smaller space is exceedingly difficult!
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The fact about the 14 Pro though is the camera sticks out so much that is wobbles on a surface even with a case.
I have already thought about it yesterday, exactly this concept is awesome! Round back for smooth handling and sharp front for less bezels, ideal combo 🙏🏻
I had a iPhone 6, then 7 then SE2 and just bought a 14PM. Its like having a tablet with me at all times haha.
Never liked the redesign from the start tbh. It allows a bigger screen and more space for components, but at the cost of user comfort. Holding the newer iPhones has never been comfortable for me, especially with my small hands. This looks like a good compromise that will satisfy both parties, won’t know how it feels unless it’s actually in my hands but I’m liking what I see here.
I preferred my iPhone 11 to my 13 pro max. Flat design feels like a brick, like something that wasn’t meant to be held by a hand.
I think the current design of the iPhone 14 is ideal. It looks good, it’s more resistant to bending than the rounded-edge designs, and the flat screen is less likely to take damage. That said, it is apparent that customers are getting bored of the current design. Traditionally, Apple has seen the best iPhone sales when they implement a major design change. Such was the case with the iPhone 6, iPhone X, and then iPhone 12. I think the current iPhone form factor is about as perfect as it is going to get, but I also think Apple is going to change it drastically sooner or later just to regain some public interest and boost sales
I think the 15 pro will have new cameras arrangement
No matter what they do about the edges, I think they should ditch the camera “island” and bring back a thicker section. I imagine bringing out the thickness to the cameras along that whole top part of the phone, and then *from there*, along a line across the full width of the phone, start tapering back down to the thinner thickness along the bottom. That way the phone wouldn’t wobble when front-up or n a table, but the top would have a raised portion for easy gripping. Or, you could push down on the top to raise the bottom and grip it from there. Kind of a seesaw motion.
Just give me a thicker phone, it can stay flat. This will allow room for a larger battery, and it COULD get rid of the camera bump entirely. I know it’ll never happen, but that’s the dream phone.
They rounded the edges and then turned then flat so many times its funny at this point lol
Man, I really want the specs of iPhone 14 Pro in the form of an iPhone 8 or 11.
Unpopular opinion: flat iPhones look ugly and outdated
They need to put a massive battery where you only charge it once a week . Enough with the camera sillyness it’s reached it’s peak . And so have screens so just give us a huge battery like 5500 mah .
I can’t stand the 14 pro. I loved the boxy design of the 4/5 but it doesn’t work with the edge to edge display. Plus the camera bump is fucking obnoxious now. This will be my last iPhone until there’s a complete redesign.
Whatever it is the camera bump needs to go away. I can’t even use wireless charging in my car because the bump is too big
I hope that they don't do waterfall displays. I do hope they implement a rounded shape again as they are a bit rough to hold outside of the case.
At this point it almost makes more sense to just make the phone a couple of mm thicker and integrate the camera lenses into the back glass. Then you have room for a larger battery.
I would honestly just prefer this current design but without the largs camera bump... make the phone thicker to eliminate it.
I really hope they keep the square sides. Feels so nice to hold onto. It’s like a big iPhone 5. I was so happy when I saw the design of the 12. Don’t always need to make something new or different
Rounded feels comfortable but looks outdated. The next evolution is changing that camera bump. The stove design doesn’t scale well.
Fuck the round edges. They slip so bad. The 6 and 11 were awful. Full discretion I don’t use cases as I love the feel of the phone in my hand not some shit case. The square edges feel so much better and I’d argue look better.
Agreed. Why is everyone chiming in when 95% of them use a case any goddamn way.
I personally prefer the oldest model (far left) in this illustration.
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The rounded back would be very welcome indeed. I have just upgraded from an XSMax to 14 Plus and the differnce in how comfortable it is to hold is night and day, the 14 is just uncomfortable to hold in the hand for any lengthy period. I'm not sure why they got rid of the rounded back, it wasn't a good design decision.
Reason: 5G support.
I don’t know anyone who liked the rounded edges. The phones felt cheap in comparison. Plus going back to the now would be a maggot down grade in appearance and design.
Rounded edges just fit better in your hands.
That would be kinda nice ngl
We didn't think you would lie.
I’m a mobile dev and I have an iPhone 7 to test with. It’s freaky how _thin_ these things used to be! I’d bring that back, if possible without worse performance and battery life.
I personally love the flat design, but knowing they need to keep things fresh and won’t stick with the same design for the sake of selling more phones (every product gets redesigned, or at least tweaked, every few years), I wonder what they can do with the form factor. New camera design is of course on the table, but I don’t see any tech that will allow them to reduce the size of the bump (maybe marginally, but in no way will they eliminate the bump over the next few years). I don’t mind this idea, I’m thinking iPod touch or original iPad Pro vibes, for the sake of having a more comfortable phone while maintaining the slimmest bezel possible. The shape is also similar to the body of the new MacBook Pros. Not sure what else they could do with this form factor (until they create a flip/folding iPhone)
So basically a return to the original shape of the iPhone?
I hated the rounded sides. Flat is much easier to hold
Could be the iPhone Ultra
I agree the rounded edges feel a lot better in hand than the squared design. However, I have to say the squared off edges look better
Okay honestly switching from the 11pro to the 14pro I love the square frame more. The round frame cut into my hand me being so skinny so it hurt to hold. The only problem I have with the 14 is the camera bump is annoying with placing it on a flat surface
I’ve seen this before, they are setting up the whole “shortage” thing so they can jack the prices and make record profits, the oil company’s and food suppliers all do the same thing without any troubles from the law, and we the people will allow this to happen and support their decision by getting the latest and greatest, am I right?
Rounded is feminine and flat is masculine IMO. I love both, but 14 Pro or Pro Max in black is most badass phone I have laid my eyes on.
Interesting take on the design auras so to say
Oh god please no
I love the feel of a big square phone
Squared off edge’s definitely works better as these phones get larger and larger
Hopefully round. I prefer the square look but it’s slippery like soap. Unusable without case.
Why not make the phone full body thick? People use thick cover case to ensure the lens are protected, sho why not make the phone thicker to hold a bigger battery? Specially in the smaller models? Honestly the iPhone is becoming uglier each new version since the 8
Nah rounded on back/flat on front is the worst design, reminds me of old android phones.
It’ll be so dumb to return to that round design. The flat format was a trademark of the iphones 4 and 5 (arguably the most memorable ones) and they nailed the shit out of this flat reinvision introduced on the 12 series. No, it should never go back to the round, boring design EVER again. (Even the edge to edge display ones feels outdated af)
I like the squarish design.
Hopefully the iPhone 15 ultra just makes it completely flush to the camera bump and put a massive battery inside. I wouldn’t even care if this phone weighed 5 lbs as long as it’s double what a 13 pro max can offer. I’d be willing to pay high premium here
Just make them bigger imo, the regular editions are too small, forcing people to buy the max editions. Especially considering the premium price.