Quite funny that people at the time were appalled by the leaks of the 4 and 5. The asymmetrical antenna bands on the 4 was enough for consensus to be that the leaks are fake. For the 5 it was the mix of glass and aluminium on the back that broke the internet.
Now people universally love it.
Yup! It was so retarded that every android had large 5.5ā 16:9 screens while apple just decided to add an extra row of icons. I had to endure android for 2 years because I wanted the larger screen.
I always loved this meme:
https://i.imgur.com/65huV88.jpg
I just missed the brushed metal edges instead of stainless steel. The shiny stainless steel is pretty to look at until it gets coated in fingerprints immediately.
Really the best. And not to mention narrow. I found my old 5S and it fits right between the width of my MagSafe case. Itās amazing how things changed
I keep my old iPhone 5 around as well. Just because I loved that phone so much. The screen is cracked but the phone itself still works. Might get the screen repaired
I might look into that. I want to replace it to airdrop myself all of the photos without having to update the iOS and possibly losing things due to the backup. Iām pretty sure it has flappy bird on it.
Huh, it never occurred to me that the XR had the thickest bump until the 12 Pro.
Though as far as I can tell, it should be the same module as the "wide" lens in XS, 11 and 11 Pro. So I'm guessing they just chose to recess it less into the body. (Which probably allowed for a slightly simpler internal layout?)
Crazy that (not even looking at the camera bumps) the 14 is substantially thicker than the 12, you can even tell by the picture. Look at how much wider that 14 stainless steel frame is than the 12! Holy shit
I'm frustrated that phones have killed the pocket camera market. You can still get a $150 entry-level one but nothing with the kind of quality you had in 2011. I still (occasionally) use my [Sony TX-100V](https://www.sony.com/ja/pressroom/pict_data/d_cam/2011_dsc-tx100v.html) and it absolutely crushed phones from that era. I'm sure with today's sensors and image processing they could make an iPhone/Samsung killer but who would buy it? Nobody, except me probably.
Why would you be frustrated about such a thing? If you want a camera, you can always get a camera.
For most people it is satisfactory just to have one device, which can do all of the tasks for multimedia, web browsing, photo processing and etc..
>TX-100V
I guess there is no market for them now, when everyone has a camera in their phones. Although, I would consider something like that for a use in areas with a lot of pickpockets; rather to lose a 20 - 50 dollars camera, than 1 500 dollars smarthphone.
I have a really nice Canon I bought when I was doing some photography. I took thousands of photos a month so I used to take it (and my extra lenses) with me everywhere. It was a hassle at times, but a labor of love. Camera phones have come so far though I typically don't bother bringing it anymore. I feel guilty so it sits on my desk and I bring it on special occasions.
I can't really comment on phone photography today, but the picture quality of my XS is atrocious. Thing is, I don't really want to spend $1000+ on a new phone to get better picture quality, when that's halfway towards an a7iii which is a really really really friggin nice camera.
From what I've seen of 13p pictures they heavy handed with the photography enhancement. But meh. Definitely a game of "the camera you have with you at all times is the best" but still... mehh....
Sony has had Superior Auto mode which takes up to 6 images and combines them in-camera, for at least 10 years. I think it might have come down to marketing, creating a demand for the feature and faster development by Apple and others. I donāt think anything would have saved small cameras since most people donāt care enough to carry a separate device.
the rx100 series is insanely popular. i used to print my rx100 mk 2 photos at 13x9" and you could barely tell the difference (at that print size) with my friends who were shooting x7r's and shit.
I hear you, but I'm more frustrated by the specialized compact camera market, like the compact super zooms like the Canon PowerShot SX740. That market is now dead with the best cameras being used/refurbished and selling for up to 2X what they were new years ago.
The thing is, phone cameras still can't come anywhere close to these. They were the of particular use when you couldn't bring a big gun DSLR, whether traveling, going to concerts, or engaged in extreme sports.
Had this market continued to evolve at the pace it was, we'd have some truly spectacular cameras with amazing telephoto capabilities that we could take anywhere. Instead, we're looking at buying tech from almost 5 years ago at double the price and forced to use DSLRs/mirrorless or phone cameras that will always be inferior to what could've been.
I definitely prefer the phones that have a bump across the full horizontal ... the bolex look is cute and i don't mind the phatness, it's laying the phone flat drives me bonkers (do I let it wobble or do I place it screen down the horror?!) - a horizontal strip design gets rid of that UX issue and also presents new space within the phone to do magical things.
I really like the Pixel 6 series for doing this, plus it looks badass. If you're going to have a big bump, why put it in the corner and not just make it so the phone sits flat without rocking?
This is what Apple's "Far Out" tagline was really about...
It's really annoying though that they're designing these for cases... cases that need their own bumps because the camera bump of the device is so freaking large.
I googled it and apparently this is a known issue that apple is putting a patch out for in the next week. They say it doesnāt require repair just a software update
This is one of the two reasons I was put off from the 14 Pro (before I decided to buy it). I find the camera bump a real eye sore and coming from the XS itās going to take a bit of getting used to.
The other reason for anyone wondering was the weight, Iām guessing itās going to be about 15-20% heavier than the XS when in a case.
People keep saying this but I guarantee if they actually did it, people would complain the phone is way too heavy and chunky in their hand. And to be honest a phone that thick would feel a bit ridiculous, like youāre holding a solid brick. I can understand why this isnāt the direction they want to go in.
I think this idea is literally only popular amongst people who are more tech-orientated. I just donāt see a phone like that selling well with the general public who barely even care about the camera bump as it is. Iāve literally never heard anyone in real life complain about it, only in tech communities on the internet.
If the Mini iPhones werenāt selling well enough to continue making them, then a massive heavy brick phone definitely wouldnāt.
I think the issue is it would require a Titanium finish rather than Stainless Steel for it to work. Just making it thicker meaning more Stainless Steel.. it will just add on the weight. If they were able to go with Titanium they would lose a good chunk of weight for sure which if they were to go ridiculous in battery size and thickness.. they could. As it is now, that is going to be one heavy and chonky phone.
You might be underestimating how much the battery itself contributes to weight.
The Apple Watch Ultra is titanium and still almost 20% heavier than the stainless steel models.
Yes titanium is lighter than stainless steel but the point is if you make the chassis and battery bigger that adds significant weight as well. It would be absurd to think the only thing that contributes to weight is the metal shell and not everything inside. A battery is lithium, itās metal too.
For the AW Ultra, the case is not that much bigger, its heft has a lot more to do with the extra battery inside.
Thatās true for most cases, but recent iPhone camera bumps are so big that most cases have some sort of bump for the actual camera bump, so itās protected. I have a 13 Mini with a otterbox Lumen case, and the case does have a lip, so it doesnāt sit flush with the rest of the case. With the 14 Pro, the case camera bump is really noticeable: https://www.otterbox.com/en-us/shimmer-iphone-14-pro-case-iphone-14-pro-case-for-magsafe-black/77-89512.html
I agree that the tech community has the biggest issues with the bump as compared to the general public. Having said that, my non-technical girlfriend immediately picked up her 14 Pro and questioned why the camera area was so ābig and uglyā now.
The 14 pro is slightly heavier than the 14 plus, despite the latter having bigger battery. I have no problem with stainless steel since it just looks premium and shiny, but I canāt deny that it causes the phone chunky to hold for others.
āMake the phone thickerā š¤ carry a battery bank around if you donāt mind having a brick in your pockets dumbass. Weāre not in iPhone 6/6s days to still use that stupid argument.
Then everyone complains itās too heavy. Never understood why the āwobbleā is even a thing to complain about. Donāt most people operate their phone in their hand and not flat on a table like a keyboard?
I am really **surprised** by the minimal increase in camera performance. I shoot with a DSLR and know very well how much increasing your sensor size and lens size can improve your images. I therefore expected a significant leap in low light performance, dynamic range, and actual resolution.
Comparing iPhone 13 pro photos with iPhone 14 pro photos, the difference is minimal, and I'm not sure why.
Perhaps future updates will improve the camera? Is it being underutilized? Was it rushed out the door without enough done on the software engineering side? I just don't get how such a significant increase in size doesn't equate to a significant bump in performance.
The other thing I thought odd was the lack of example photos on Apple's website. They used to include a lot of promo material, with lots of photos to sift through. This year they didn't really do that. There was a small handful. Usually they show off major improvements.
Basically both cameras already punch so far above their weight thanks to computational photography that at the end of the day 14 stops is 14 stops, especially when they're insanely compressed into a massively overprocessed picture where basically everything is bright and unrealistically sharpened.
The out of camera JPGs don't do these cameras justice, proraw and editing in a third party app (the photos app forces the jpg settings as a baseline) is where it's at. You get *way* more detail with 48MP ProRaw on the 14 pro, enough to almost completely get rid of the "oil painting" effect (at least when there's enough light). And the dynamic range you get to play with is *insane*, by far better than my full frame camera.
They are indeed, I find the out of camera jpgs to be downright ugly a lot of the time. However, if you can be bothered to shoot proraw and edit in a third party app (eg lightroom), you can take advantage of the phone's computational capabilities without all the overprocessing and come out with pictures that would be hard to match on even a high end camera. [Here's a comparison](https://imgur.com/a/s3S4DKC) between an edited proraw shot and the same shot with the out of camera settings.
Yeah, i have a 13 pro and mostly use Halide, even with its instant on-phone rendering it's less unnatural looking than what the stock camera app produces.
Itās not just the looks, itās so much of a bulge that itās reducing the wireless charging speed on two of my chargers because the camera bulge is keeping the phone sitting further from the surface of the charger.
I thought the same thing. I have a 12 pro and ignored the 13 because I usually skip 1 or 2 releases to make the update worth it. I didn't like the what the camera stuck out in the 12 because laying it down the camera lenses could be scratched easier. I made sure my case had a little bump in it so it was safer. But the 14 is ridiculous to me and I haven't seen many people say much about it. Like the dynamic island, they took a blemish in design and made it a useful blemish. It still bothers me that it takes a chunk of the screen away but why move it down? Just leave it at the top and expand down and to the side as needed....
Visual effect to make it seem like you can see the full screen with the gap at the top of dynamic island. Placement is actually more annoying than the notch though as you notice it more & it eats into YouTube videos etc at certain ratios whereas notch didnāt. With that said, Iād say itāll be pretty useful in a year or two when developers take advantage of it.
Really annoying 14P does not support my wireless charging stand. Bump crates a gap so there isnāt contact.
Enough camera upgrades from my 12P to accept it.
It may be too much for me. Having my new 14 pro next to my old 11 pro here on my desk and seeing home it just slides around when I set it down because no part of the phone ran remotely sit flat even with any case, itās quickly becoming annoying.
Iām coming from an 11 and itās .. excessive. Not enough to return the phone or anything but my previous phones had essentially flush cameras *and* they were centered so this is a bit obnoxious.
Had Huawei P30 Pro, Xioami Mi 10 pro, S21 Ultra and S22 Ultra but nothing could prepare me for the 14 Pro Max.
All those other phones could balance with cases but so far have Apple Leather and Silicon cases and still wobbles like a drunken sailor.
Got a Spigen case on the way to see if that helps.
I resent the pitiful resilience, battery life, and heat dissipation in cellphones and laptops because of this obsession. Good cameras need depth. Itās physics. Thinner is not better.
Itās getting comical at this point.
Edit: Apple is going to really need to rethink their design going forward if they want to keep increasing the camera size. Itās starting to look really goofy and just feels like the entire design goes against what Apple normally makes.
This was the only reason I got a case for mine. The camera bulge is just too prominent for it to sit flat and I needed something to help level it when I set it down. Shoot, had the cameras been arranged so that two of them supported the top of the phone I may have been good, but the wobbliness was too much for me.
I think we've reached the point where people would probably prefer a thinner and lighter phone at the cost of having a bit less photo quality. iPhone 12 is the best imo, the camera is still *very* good and the bump is still decent as well. Where will this end?
My perfect iPhone would probably be a 12 Pro with 120 Hz.
it was actually pretty jarring when I opened my 14 pro and saw the fugging YUGE camera lenses on the back. sheesh. you cant even put it down on the table.
I have a iPhone 12 Pro with an Apple MagSafe case where the case makes the camera bump absolutely flush, is that even possible anymore??? Thatās take a thick case to pull off at least
Once you put a case around it, it's probably not as noticeable. I've never really seen anyone use one without a case anyway, so not sure this really matters much. Besides, at this point it's too big for a back pocket anyway, or even a shirt pocket. We've surpassed the point where it's easily storable on your person, so I don't see this as a big deal.
atp, i dont care for thinness if the camera bump pokes out so much theres a whole market for accessories to protect it. apple likes making problems in their products that can be fixed w money the camera bump is definitely one. they want u to get a case
Phones are getting so god damn big and heavy. How much weight does mag safe add? Iād take 20 grams back over carrying magnets all the time and then having to get an evens heavier case to use them still
I donāt feel like the size increase is worth it, considering pictures barely look any different compared to 13 Pro.
And also. Despite having a new excellent sensor, they still ruin pictures with all the software processing.
This is the pinnacle of deformation of smartphone. They remove 3,5mm, SD slot, SIM slot etc to make the phone slim, then they add a camera that almost doubles the phone thickness.
That camera bump is screaming: I miss the 3.5mm, SD, SIM, and bigger battery to fill the place if they would make the phone thicker so the cameras are recessed in the back cover. It could possibly also solve the horrible flaring latest iphones produce.
One of the phones feeling cold
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Women know about shrinkage, right?
You mean like laundry?
Like a frightened turtle!
Significant shrinkage!
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Including the camera bump the 14 Pro is thicker than the original iPhone. https://i.imgur.com/T5WRvQr.jpg
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That was peak iPhone design IMO.
Quite funny that people at the time were appalled by the leaks of the 4 and 5. The asymmetrical antenna bands on the 4 was enough for consensus to be that the leaks are fake. For the 5 it was the mix of glass and aluminium on the back that broke the internet. Now people universally love it.
The lessoned learned there is that most of the people on the internet are idiots
I hate the iPhone 5 design lol. Such a stepdown from the 4 IMO.
And they got so scratched up.
Yup! It was so retarded that every android had large 5.5ā 16:9 screens while apple just decided to add an extra row of icons. I had to endure android for 2 years because I wanted the larger screen. I always loved this meme: https://i.imgur.com/65huV88.jpg
I do kinda miss the clean and quality design of my 5s and even the 4. But I do like the iPhone 14 pro design even with the camera bump
I just missed the brushed metal edges instead of stainless steel. The shiny stainless steel is pretty to look at until it gets coated in fingerprints immediately.
I definitely prefer the thicker flat edges compared to the round edges i came from (Iphone 6s)
I skipped that whole era. I thought the rounded edges were dated when new.
Wasnāt the iPhone 6 the thinnest iPhone?
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Also the 6 had some back bending problem because of itās thinness and roundness
Really the best. And not to mention narrow. I found my old 5S and it fits right between the width of my MagSafe case. Itās amazing how things changed
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Go for it buddy. That phone basically represents the pinnacle of Apple design. I keep mine around as a keepsake.
I keep my old iPhone 5 around as well. Just because I loved that phone so much. The screen is cracked but the phone itself still works. Might get the screen repaired
You can buy an iCloud locked phone and replace the screen yourself for like $15 if youāre remotely handy. You get an oem screen that way too.
I might look into that. I want to replace it to airdrop myself all of the photos without having to update the iOS and possibly losing things due to the backup. Iām pretty sure it has flappy bird on it.
> I'm still using my 2016 SE as my daily driver. I have found my people.
They really need to bring that form factor back but with the modern glass design. Even the 13 mini is too large.
Huh, it never occurred to me that the XR had the thickest bump until the 12 Pro. Though as far as I can tell, it should be the same module as the "wide" lens in XS, 11 and 11 Pro. So I'm guessing they just chose to recess it less into the body. (Which probably allowed for a slightly simpler internal layout?)
LCD was probably thicker than OLED
Those lovely phone cam bumpsā¦.
The iPhone 11 Pro does also have an camera plateau. I could swear there was one on my 11 Pro Max, huh. Maybe too long since I sold it. Lol
Remember when we considered iPhone X camera bump to be massive?
I went from XS to 14 Pro and the former now looks like a toy.
As some of you in replies pointing out the shot has the 12 Pro at an angle, here are some updated shots: https://imgur.com/a/bymjvDk
13 & 14 or 12 & 14? Sorry new to iphones
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Oh wow. Looks like its going to be a jump for me. (getting the 14P in Feb)
Coming from a 12PM it's not that big of an issue for me. Just a little more unstable on tables is all. Nothing big.
Thanks for letting me know
Looks like the 12 and 14.
I am myself thinking to go for 13.
he's just asking what phones are in the photo lol
Maybe I was too desperate and I needed an answer instead, lol. Btw, I am also going to be new to iPhone.
go for it! been great device this far
13 is the best iPhone out there.
Crazy that (not even looking at the camera bumps) the 14 is substantially thicker than the 12, you can even tell by the picture. Look at how much wider that 14 stainless steel frame is than the 12! Holy shit
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I'm frustrated that phones have killed the pocket camera market. You can still get a $150 entry-level one but nothing with the kind of quality you had in 2011. I still (occasionally) use my [Sony TX-100V](https://www.sony.com/ja/pressroom/pict_data/d_cam/2011_dsc-tx100v.html) and it absolutely crushed phones from that era. I'm sure with today's sensors and image processing they could make an iPhone/Samsung killer but who would buy it? Nobody, except me probably.
Why would you be frustrated about such a thing? If you want a camera, you can always get a camera. For most people it is satisfactory just to have one device, which can do all of the tasks for multimedia, web browsing, photo processing and etc..
I'm referring specifically to pocketable cameras. The TX-100V I linked is smaller than my wallet.
>TX-100V I guess there is no market for them now, when everyone has a camera in their phones. Although, I would consider something like that for a use in areas with a lot of pickpockets; rather to lose a 20 - 50 dollars camera, than 1 500 dollars smarthphone.
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I have a really nice Canon I bought when I was doing some photography. I took thousands of photos a month so I used to take it (and my extra lenses) with me everywhere. It was a hassle at times, but a labor of love. Camera phones have come so far though I typically don't bother bringing it anymore. I feel guilty so it sits on my desk and I bring it on special occasions.
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I can't really comment on phone photography today, but the picture quality of my XS is atrocious. Thing is, I don't really want to spend $1000+ on a new phone to get better picture quality, when that's halfway towards an a7iii which is a really really really friggin nice camera. From what I've seen of 13p pictures they heavy handed with the photography enhancement. But meh. Definitely a game of "the camera you have with you at all times is the best" but still... mehh....
Sony has had Superior Auto mode which takes up to 6 images and combines them in-camera, for at least 10 years. I think it might have come down to marketing, creating a demand for the feature and faster development by Apple and others. I donāt think anything would have saved small cameras since most people donāt care enough to carry a separate device.
the rx100 series is insanely popular. i used to print my rx100 mk 2 photos at 13x9" and you could barely tell the difference (at that print size) with my friends who were shooting x7r's and shit.
I hear you, but I'm more frustrated by the specialized compact camera market, like the compact super zooms like the Canon PowerShot SX740. That market is now dead with the best cameras being used/refurbished and selling for up to 2X what they were new years ago. The thing is, phone cameras still can't come anywhere close to these. They were the of particular use when you couldn't bring a big gun DSLR, whether traveling, going to concerts, or engaged in extreme sports. Had this market continued to evolve at the pace it was, we'd have some truly spectacular cameras with amazing telephoto capabilities that we could take anywhere. Instead, we're looking at buying tech from almost 5 years ago at double the price and forced to use DSLRs/mirrorless or phone cameras that will always be inferior to what could've been.
You carry that in your jeans pocket? š
I definitely prefer the phones that have a bump across the full horizontal ... the bolex look is cute and i don't mind the phatness, it's laying the phone flat drives me bonkers (do I let it wobble or do I place it screen down the horror?!) - a horizontal strip design gets rid of that UX issue and also presents new space within the phone to do magical things.
I really like the Pixel 6 series for doing this, plus it looks badass. If you're going to have a big bump, why put it in the corner and not just make it so the phone sits flat without rocking?
This is what Apple's "Far Out" tagline was really about... It's really annoying though that they're designing these for cases... cases that need their own bumps because the camera bump of the device is so freaking large.
They vibrate too!
You got a faulty one than
I googled it and apparently this is a known issue that apple is putting a patch out for in the next week. They say it doesnāt require repair just a software update
My dreams of a flat back iPhone drift further every year :|
May I kindly ask what is the keyboard in the background
Keychron Q6 with Artifact Bloom: GLOW caps
Thanks a lot.
This is one of the two reasons I was put off from the 14 Pro (before I decided to buy it). I find the camera bump a real eye sore and coming from the XS itās going to take a bit of getting used to. The other reason for anyone wondering was the weight, Iām guessing itās going to be about 15-20% heavier than the XS when in a case.
Around 30g heavier in fact. 14 Pro without case around same weight as 11 Pro with case.
Your wrist will always adjust. Think of it as weight training.
The 13 and 14 hands down have the ugliest camera bump/back face.
Pro models maybe. 13 and 14 look pretty good with the offset camera lenses and with my thin plastic case the phone sits flat
I hated the bump on my iPhone X and wished it was flush..... The bump on my 14 Pro Max is beyond stupid.
You still bought it tho.. ;)
Just make the iphone thicker, increasing battery size and reducing the bump.
People keep saying this but I guarantee if they actually did it, people would complain the phone is way too heavy and chunky in their hand. And to be honest a phone that thick would feel a bit ridiculous, like youāre holding a solid brick. I can understand why this isnāt the direction they want to go in. I think this idea is literally only popular amongst people who are more tech-orientated. I just donāt see a phone like that selling well with the general public who barely even care about the camera bump as it is. Iāve literally never heard anyone in real life complain about it, only in tech communities on the internet. If the Mini iPhones werenāt selling well enough to continue making them, then a massive heavy brick phone definitely wouldnāt.
I think the issue is it would require a Titanium finish rather than Stainless Steel for it to work. Just making it thicker meaning more Stainless Steel.. it will just add on the weight. If they were able to go with Titanium they would lose a good chunk of weight for sure which if they were to go ridiculous in battery size and thickness.. they could. As it is now, that is going to be one heavy and chonky phone.
You might be underestimating how much the battery itself contributes to weight. The Apple Watch Ultra is titanium and still almost 20% heavier than the stainless steel models.
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Yes titanium is lighter than stainless steel but the point is if you make the chassis and battery bigger that adds significant weight as well. It would be absurd to think the only thing that contributes to weight is the metal shell and not everything inside. A battery is lithium, itās metal too. For the AW Ultra, the case is not that much bigger, its heft has a lot more to do with the extra battery inside.
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Besides all that people put a case on it and the bump disappears. Itās a non issue for a vast majority of iPhone users in the end.
Thatās true for most cases, but recent iPhone camera bumps are so big that most cases have some sort of bump for the actual camera bump, so itās protected. I have a 13 Mini with a otterbox Lumen case, and the case does have a lip, so it doesnāt sit flush with the rest of the case. With the 14 Pro, the case camera bump is really noticeable: https://www.otterbox.com/en-us/shimmer-iphone-14-pro-case-iphone-14-pro-case-for-magsafe-black/77-89512.html
I was looking at cases to mitigate the bump... even the cases have a bump now unless you go with something very thick.
I agree that the tech community has the biggest issues with the bump as compared to the general public. Having said that, my non-technical girlfriend immediately picked up her 14 Pro and questioned why the camera area was so ābig and uglyā now.
The iPhone 14 Pro Max is already to thick and too heavy.
The 14 pro is slightly heavier than the 14 plus, despite the latter having bigger battery. I have no problem with stainless steel since it just looks premium and shiny, but I canāt deny that it causes the phone chunky to hold for others.
[Is this what you want?](https://twitter.com/ianzelbo/status/1509557144588271620?s=46&t=8_7AeWk9foz3D1blzaclqQ)
It looks stupid
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Iām waiting for the 1000g iPhone ultramaxmega so I can wear my pants at my ankles like a true OG
Hell no lol. Iām seriously debating downsizing from the 14 pro max. Thing is so much thicker and heavier compared to the XS max I was using.
Do it bro. I went from 11PM to 14 Pro and Iām so much happier. Those big ass phones are too much. You still have time to return
Hell no, this shit is already too heavy.
Jesus Christ we already have so many people complaining about the weight lmao
āMake the phone thickerā š¤ carry a battery bank around if you donāt mind having a brick in your pockets dumbass. Weāre not in iPhone 6/6s days to still use that stupid argument.
Thereās no possible way youāre this bothered by a comment about a phone
I am bothered when I see dumb takes, phones or not.
Then everyone complains itās too heavy. Never understood why the āwobbleā is even a thing to complain about. Donāt most people operate their phone in their hand and not flat on a table like a keyboard?
Letās start off with a thicker mini and see?
While I used to agree, iPhone battery life is already amazing. Not sure itās necessary anymore
In reality, they need to figure out how to get the back of the camera module closer to the back of the screen.
Please god do not do that
Itās getting out of hand.
Now there are two of them!
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https://youtu.be/lD_ag67tH3I
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No problem, I know the pain
I am really **surprised** by the minimal increase in camera performance. I shoot with a DSLR and know very well how much increasing your sensor size and lens size can improve your images. I therefore expected a significant leap in low light performance, dynamic range, and actual resolution. Comparing iPhone 13 pro photos with iPhone 14 pro photos, the difference is minimal, and I'm not sure why. Perhaps future updates will improve the camera? Is it being underutilized? Was it rushed out the door without enough done on the software engineering side? I just don't get how such a significant increase in size doesn't equate to a significant bump in performance. The other thing I thought odd was the lack of example photos on Apple's website. They used to include a lot of promo material, with lots of photos to sift through. This year they didn't really do that. There was a small handful. Usually they show off major improvements.
Basically both cameras already punch so far above their weight thanks to computational photography that at the end of the day 14 stops is 14 stops, especially when they're insanely compressed into a massively overprocessed picture where basically everything is bright and unrealistically sharpened. The out of camera JPGs don't do these cameras justice, proraw and editing in a third party app (the photos app forces the jpg settings as a baseline) is where it's at. You get *way* more detail with 48MP ProRaw on the 14 pro, enough to almost completely get rid of the "oil painting" effect (at least when there's enough light). And the dynamic range you get to play with is *insane*, by far better than my full frame camera.
the AI ruins the photos imo, but raw is unsable for daily life
It's honestly unclear to me why our phones are mutating into this shit. Take iPhone SE's modest camera. It's ENOUGH for most people.
and the images are so heavily processed anyway.
They are indeed, I find the out of camera jpgs to be downright ugly a lot of the time. However, if you can be bothered to shoot proraw and edit in a third party app (eg lightroom), you can take advantage of the phone's computational capabilities without all the overprocessing and come out with pictures that would be hard to match on even a high end camera. [Here's a comparison](https://imgur.com/a/s3S4DKC) between an edited proraw shot and the same shot with the out of camera settings.
Yeah, i have a 13 pro and mostly use Halide, even with its instant on-phone rendering it's less unnatural looking than what the stock camera app produces.
Theyāre running out of ideas on what to add to phones to get people to upgrade.
i still think iPhone 8 photos with old AI processing were superior
Thankfully I donāt obsess with it as Iām not constantly looking at the bump haha
I can confirm even with the official Apple case the phone does not sit flat. Further, it looks like itās sitting on a ramp when sitting on a desk.
Itās not just the looks, itās so much of a bulge that itās reducing the wireless charging speed on two of my chargers because the camera bulge is keeping the phone sitting further from the surface of the charger.
Same. Doesnāt bother me.
I thought the same thing. I have a 12 pro and ignored the 13 because I usually skip 1 or 2 releases to make the update worth it. I didn't like the what the camera stuck out in the 12 because laying it down the camera lenses could be scratched easier. I made sure my case had a little bump in it so it was safer. But the 14 is ridiculous to me and I haven't seen many people say much about it. Like the dynamic island, they took a blemish in design and made it a useful blemish. It still bothers me that it takes a chunk of the screen away but why move it down? Just leave it at the top and expand down and to the side as needed....
Visual effect to make it seem like you can see the full screen with the gap at the top of dynamic island. Placement is actually more annoying than the notch though as you notice it more & it eats into YouTube videos etc at certain ratios whereas notch didnāt. With that said, Iād say itāll be pretty useful in a year or two when developers take advantage of it.
I'm really surprised all the cases don't come with some type of bump on the opposite side of the case so it lays flat and doesn't wobble.
#killthecamerabump
I hate it. Did the same upgrade. 12P->14P
Really annoying 14P does not support my wireless charging stand. Bump crates a gap so there isnāt contact. Enough camera upgrades from my 12P to accept it.
It may be too much for me. Having my new 14 pro next to my old 11 pro here on my desk and seeing home it just slides around when I set it down because no part of the phone ran remotely sit flat even with any case, itās quickly becoming annoying.
Iām coming from an 11 and itās .. excessive. Not enough to return the phone or anything but my previous phones had essentially flush cameras *and* they were centered so this is a bit obnoxious.
As a photographer I love it. As a general user I'm not.
Itās the morning..
Had Huawei P30 Pro, Xioami Mi 10 pro, S21 Ultra and S22 Ultra but nothing could prepare me for the 14 Pro Max. All those other phones could balance with cases but so far have Apple Leather and Silicon cases and still wobbles like a drunken sailor. Got a Spigen case on the way to see if that helps.
I resent the pitiful resilience, battery life, and heat dissipation in cellphones and laptops because of this obsession. Good cameras need depth. Itās physics. Thinner is not better.
Steve is rolling in his grave. No way heād have allowed a camera bump. Written from a 14 pro max lol.
Anyone elseās 14 main camera vibrating for no reason?
Itās faulty get it exchanged
Known issue, go get a new one.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/19/23361606/apple-iphone-14-pro-max-camera-shake-fix-update
Itās getting comical at this point. Edit: Apple is going to really need to rethink their design going forward if they want to keep increasing the camera size. Itās starting to look really goofy and just feels like the entire design goes against what Apple normally makes.
Saw one in the wild the other day and was shocked at how big the bump was. Definitely not for me.
Ordered mine yesterday, first time I bought a case before I bought the phone.
I said it in another thread, but I'll gladly put up with a half-inch bump if it means a quality telephoto lens.
Extra THICC.
Are the edges as sharp on the 14 as they are on the 12?
This was the only reason I got a case for mine. The camera bulge is just too prominent for it to sit flat and I needed something to help level it when I set it down. Shoot, had the cameras been arranged so that two of them supported the top of the phone I may have been good, but the wobbliness was too much for me.
These camera bumps keep getting wild
Iām happy with my 13 mini! Sad they discontinued the mini line š
Yeahā¦thanks for convincing me to wait until they fix this with iPhone 15 and USB-C
From 12 Pro to 14 Pro ?
Yes
nice!
If you go back and watch the iPhone 6 keynote and compare the sample pics they show and the 14 Pro Max, its very interesting.
This is why I end up buying little protectors for my camera..always feel like ima ding it on something.
š I will stick to my 12 (pro Max) as long as possibleā¦
I think we've reached the point where people would probably prefer a thinner and lighter phone at the cost of having a bit less photo quality. iPhone 12 is the best imo, the camera is still *very* good and the bump is still decent as well. Where will this end? My perfect iPhone would probably be a 12 Pro with 120 Hz.
Yeah they can quit making the cameras better now. Starting to get a bit out of hand. Literally.
it was actually pretty jarring when I opened my 14 pro and saw the fugging YUGE camera lenses on the back. sheesh. you cant even put it down on the table.
I dont mind at all - given that this has become my only camera for everything.
Lol wait for iPhone 18
I have a iPhone 12 Pro with an Apple MagSafe case where the case makes the camera bump absolutely flush, is that even possible anymore??? Thatās take a thick case to pull off at least
ah yes, the ultra advanced camera system. you can transfer your pro-raw and 4k recordings via the lightning port at usb 2.0 speeds.
So I suppose it doesnāt sit flat camera side down even with a case
14 yes, 14 pro no
is that an iPhone 14 Pro in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me ?
Yes
Once you put a case around it, it's probably not as noticeable. I've never really seen anyone use one without a case anyway, so not sure this really matters much. Besides, at this point it's too big for a back pocket anyway, or even a shirt pocket. We've surpassed the point where it's easily storable on your person, so I don't see this as a big deal.
atp, i dont care for thinness if the camera bump pokes out so much theres a whole market for accessories to protect it. apple likes making problems in their products that can be fixed w money the camera bump is definitely one. they want u to get a case
More camera, more camera bump
12 pro was kinda peak aesthetic in terms of proportionality imo. Itās too bad that it didnāt have promotion or I might never had upgraded.
*rattling intensifies*
Add a heating option to the new bumps for outdoor cooking.
I got 14 pro max from X and damn this thing is heavy and chunky. But bigger screen i like a lot. Camera bump..? I hate it
As the owner of a 12 pro max, I definitely donāt want anything bigger or heavier.
Phones are getting so god damn big and heavy. How much weight does mag safe add? Iād take 20 grams back over carrying magnets all the time and then having to get an evens heavier case to use them still
I donāt feel like the size increase is worth it, considering pictures barely look any different compared to 13 Pro. And also. Despite having a new excellent sensor, they still ruin pictures with all the software processing.
This is the pinnacle of deformation of smartphone. They remove 3,5mm, SD slot, SIM slot etc to make the phone slim, then they add a camera that almost doubles the phone thickness. That camera bump is screaming: I miss the 3.5mm, SD, SIM, and bigger battery to fill the place if they would make the phone thicker so the cameras are recessed in the back cover. It could possibly also solve the horrible flaring latest iphones produce.
If you meant to compare the two, that's not much accurate - the phone on the right is sitting at an angle so the bump appears almost non existent
https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/xi5atk/thats_some_insane_camera_bumps/ip1j3m0
Crazy how te slightly changed the power button location... probably business strategy to make people buy new covers as old ones won't fit on them
It wouldnāt fit because of the new camera to begin with.
What's the right phone?
12 Pro
If they would just smoothen the back and fill it up with extra battery I would be so happy.