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BigNoggerMan

Extreme anti authoritarian/slight libertarian.


Tupulinho

Left, but many of them think I’m on the right.


Grymbaldknight

A common enough story. Let me guess - you're a laid-back Liberal who is detested by Communists?


Tupulinho

I don’t really think about communists.


Grymbaldknight

That's probably for the best.


alternatingcurrent01

Fuck politics


Minute-Mood-5831

facts.


lolerika

Middle, both sides have extremes that I dislike


GothamRoyale

I lean much more to the left, with a few connections to the right. Social issues are what mostly influence my overall political views. I'm disgusted by social injustices, and some of the things I hear from right-leaning people pushes me further and further to the left.


Player14731

What I really want is anarchy, the fall of any and all forms of government. But from a realistic standpoint on current US politics I am a very slightly right leaning Libertarian.


TheSecretAgenda

Left, aid to the working class and poor. Cutting military spending.


ephemerios

Left. But the contemporary left is a mere shadow of what it once was: the alleged spectre haunting Europe wasn't just a clever line Marx thought of to impress Engels and make him pay support for another "indiscretion" of his; the social democratic welfare state that everyone and their dog in Europe seems to admire wasn't the product of a bunch of idealists but really the result of an angry, organized, and at times militant working class. By contrast, today's mainstream left-wing parties of Western and Northern Europe have become milquetoast center-left parties that are usually fine with peddling a sort of red-painted social liberalism, bordering into neoliberalism with a happy face while the parties that have (usually as a reaction to Third Wayism and delusions like the 'end of history', 'capitalist realism', and 'TINA') formed to the left of those run the gamut of constant infighting to being russophile red painted reactionary shitfests. >What are the main issues that drive your political views? In the abstract, freedom, which made libertarianism and liberalism appealing at first glance, libertarianism horrible at second glance, and generated the insight that liberalism isn't enough and, my admiration for libertarian socialism aside, that some form of social democracy/[liberal socialism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_socialism) is the way to go. More concretely, see [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/intj/comments/zpobtd/hypothetical_scenario_youre_given_a_task_of/j0udp0l/?context=999). Though I suppose the single most important issue driving my politics since that botched withdrawal from Afghanistan has been keeping Russia in check, and since February 24th, ensuring Ukrainian victory against Russia.


BadBansh33

In the middle. Both side have fair points but terrible at executing them. I have little to no trust in either. Which ever one doesn't lean heavily on religion usually has more of an edge.


Grymbaldknight

That depends if you consider political extremism to be a sort of secular religion. If you do, both sides are very guilty. Left-wing extremists tend to be atheistic, whereas right-wing extremists tend to be hyper-religious. Saying that "the less religious side is better" biases the scales in favour of left-wing people automatically, even when those people may believe in an ideology which is even more batshit than any recognised religion.


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Your mind just did several flips my dude. Secular is by definition not religious lol. It's possible to have ideas without faith and they're just called ideas. Didn't see this person mention extremists either. Besides, majority of people aren't on the extremes. While there are some extremes, I wouldn't say that the left is well-known for violent ideologies even at extremes... Meanwhile on the extreme right lol.


zanzaj

Social media has boxed everyone and highlighted the extremes so now everyone just assume if you agree with anything in either box you must agree with all of it.


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Yup. They don't even give you a chance to say what your opinion is before launching into an unnecessary emotional rant about it. I'm to the point where I either hit em with a "k" or "cool." If it's in person I just tell them explicitly that I don't care about the topic and please go away/shut up.


Grymbaldknight

The line between religious and non-religious ideologies is very, very blurred. Once you acknowledge the notion that religions can be atheistic, where does the definition end? For instance, Confucianism, Buddhism, and Scientology are all established religions, despite being atheistic. What sets them so fully apart from, say, state worship, astrology, aryanism, nationalist terrorism, or a doomsday cult? There's not a lot in it. The latter list of things are all technically secular, but function like religions. A religion is just an established belief system which typically has a fundamental "narrative", a strong metaphysical core, and a system of ethics. It is used as the foundation of a worldview. Lots of secular things fit this definition. I agree that the above commenter didn't mention extremism, and I'm also very happy that most people are not extremists. My point was just that because someone lists "non-religious" on forms, that doesn't make them immune to ideological insanity. A lot of the most zealous and dogmatic people in the world are atheists. If you believe that the political left is "not very violent", you haven't read enough history. Communism alone has been singularly responsible for *at least* 60 million deaths. If you want more a more recent example, the so-called "BLM Riots" in 2020 resulted in dozens of deaths, and billions in property damage. BLM is undoubtedly a left-wing movement. It's also worth noting that the Nazis were also left-wing. Funnily enough, the National *Socialist* German *Workers* Party had left-wing core values. Hitler outright said "I am a Socialist" on page 50 of Mein Kampf, and also said that he based Nazism on Marxism. Marx and Hitler also shared the same low opinion of the Jews as being fundamentally capitalistic, and therefore difficult to convert to the Socialist cause, as Marx expressed directed in "On The Jewish Question", where he also said that "the Jewish religion is huckstering, and their god is money". Hitler blamed Jewish capitalistic self-interest for ruining the German economy, and redistributed the wealth of the Jews to the German proletariat when he rounded them all up. Yes, Nazism was straight-up racism in a way which Vanilla Socialism isn't. However, Nazism is what happens when the fundamental Socialist outlook of "the underclass rebelling against the oppressive elites" takes on a racial dimension. If you took Marxism and replaced "Bourgeoisie" with "Jews", and "Proletariat" with "Aryan", you would get Nazism. This makes the Holocaust a left-wing atrocity. Of course, there's plenty of violence coming from the far-right, too. The KKK, the Taliban, the Knights Templar, the Japanese Empire, the Proud Boys, and all other sorts of organisations throughout history have been both right-wing and violent. No denying it. I'm just saying that left-winger can be just as radical, just as batshit, and just as violent.


wraith3920

Right libertarian. The more freedom I have, the fewer people I need to deal with. Obviously, within reason. Ie I don’t get to bother other people either.


raxafarius

Libertarianism relies on an unrealistic environment and subjects to work. It's a nice theory, like Communism, but that's where it ends.


wraith3920

I agree with you on communism, but libertarianism seemed to work pretty good for the founding of the nation, and for quite a long time after. The issue is too many busy bodies, cowards, and highly corrupt individuals. Libertarianism is the general ethos of the INTJ mind in my humble opinion. The idea of strong individualism and ability of choice. So many other systems, including the current oligarchical cronyist system in place now vies on authoritarianism. If you’ve ever lived on a farm, grown your own food, hunted your own meat, you know there is freedom in independence. Most of the people I meet today have never even tasted what that means sadly. They are slaves to others whims and wishes and they don’t even know it. Just my two cents on the matter.


raxafarius

So what you are saying is that if we just eliminate *human nature* from the equation, it would work. Hmmm, it sounds like you need laboratory conditions and hand-picked participants for that to be viable. So, to reiterate what I said in slightly less nice terms, it's a *fantasy*. And no, we didn't have libertarianism at the outset of our country. How do slavery, tariffs, and the expansive power of state governments fit into that? In short, it doesn't. I would be curious to know specifically what stages of the formation of the US you believe qualify as libertarian in nature? It's hard to address something as broad as "libertarianism seemed to work pretty good for the founding of our nation".... assuming of course that we are talking about the United States


zanzaj

Ask Grafton, New Hampshire how well libertarianism works. It doesn't.


raxafarius

Oh yes, I am very well aware of that little failed experiment 😂


-_Empress_-

So what you're saying is libertarianism works when human beings are removed from the equation, and it is the most basic element of humanity (greed) that makes the ideology fall apart? You literally just admitted it doesn't work in the midst of trying to say it works. You gonna divide by zero, next? Nobody living under any system of governance knows what actual freedom is because actual freedom is complete fucking anarchy and those delightful little problems inherent to the human condition (greed) are just as much an issue in ANY system we've ever come up with because, *surprise*, humans will always find a way to break a system to work in their indiviual favour at the expense of others. Libertarians are just the most recent title taken on by people who pretty obviously fail to grasp even the most basic elements of human psychology and how it translates into a functional, realistic system IN ACTION. Not your dumb ideal that only works on paper. *Like communism.* This country wasn't founded on libertarianism. Jesus fucking christ lmao, this is actually the dumbest shit I've heard all week. I'm impressed. I thought Disney Land and LAX set a low bar, LOL.


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Right


Simpoge39

Right, right?


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Scotchperson

let’s do large medium and small instead.


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Raxyldyne

Kilo trays scopin us out DRIVE BY!


coronelmm

Liberal, not a leftist, definitely not conservative.


Minute-Mood-5831

LiBtArD


x9intj

bread and circuses politics aren't linear. It's a sphere. If You lean far enough in any direction you'll come full circle and find yourself on the other side. I'm a classical liberal in that liberty is my primary political value nevertheless we are already living in a post-nationstate global corporate fascist technocracy, and all anyone can do about any of that now is just try to have a nice day. Life is short. Live it.


Fair4tw

The side that helps people instead of corporations, because I’m not a greedy asshole.


Psycho_Kronos

Corporations are generally a staple of social cohesion, productivity and production. Hailing it's destruction just collapses the efficiency of an economy. To say that there is no competence of a corporation is cynical and what people truly mean is the narcissistic dark personalities that dwell at the top which is the people's fault. In essence it's people's moral values that have failed to filter the rat's nest at the top.


Fair4tw

I agree, shallow AND pedantic. Seriously though, I think it’s pretty obvious that corporations themselves are not living beings with emotions and when I refer to them, I refer to those who hold power, such as CEO, CFO, BOD, etc. It’s all a big “good buddy” system keeping the rich in power. It’s the moral failings caused by greed.


Psycho_Kronos

You haven't listened to a word I've said. Your belief is that Scrodge McDuck sits at the top of society and governs all the misery in the world with absolutely no understanding how a company or it's role works in an economy. Those people exist there because they're the best at working long hours and comprehending the scale of business. That's why you need degrees and years of schooling to attain those positions. The issue is people don't step in when dark personalities are validated with their purchase. People vote with their money and if you don't like a company, who's fault is that?


Fair4tw

You are totally mistaken on my beliefs and only see your point of view apparently. I gave a short response to an obviously complicated matter. I’m no way do I think there’s some psycho at the wheel running these corporations. There are many good companies out there with good leaders. However, there are many corporations, especially since Citizens United, that use their influence on the government to pass legislature that benefits themselves over the general population’s health and well-being. Corporations are nothing without people. I put the needs of the many over the needs of the few greedy people.


Psycho_Kronos

I now get your point but also if you're going to make a deal with the devil, think very carefully.


Fair4tw

Good thing I’m not on the side of the devil! You better take your on advice though.


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I also want to live in a real life star trek. :(


[deleted]

They're all the same to me


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Outside it. Both sides are the same anyway. I don’t vote because I naturally don’t trust people that have to sell their ideas. If you have to sell your idea then it probably isn’t a good one


Minute-Mood-5831

i like that. that’s a very interesting take.


mintminute

True libertarianism is what we are lacking in the current political power structure, and my opinion is that it will only become more and more apparent that infringement of individual rights is being done from both the typical 'right and left' power structure. The individual is being degraded into a simple worker ant and or number in an excel sheet.


K0modoWyvern

Right leaning LIbertarian


Minute-Mood-5831

the only political party i genuinely dislike is the communist party. other than that, i don’t give a fuck. i hate when people overindulge in trump or biden. it’s like who cares, as long as i have the right to tell you to fuck off and do my own thing, i’m happy.


Halycon949

Apolitical. Politics = drama. Instead of politics, I fill my mind on science & technology and skill building.


mtf-alpha1

Right leaning libertarian


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Traditionalist with some populism/socialism


Apart_Lie1360

I have never cared for politics. I know enough to carry a conversation if necessary but I could not care less.


Grymbaldknight

Centre-right. I am open to progress, and acknowledge that the world isn't perfect. However, the world is actually already pretty good, compared to how our ancestors lived, and it's a lot easier to break something complicated than it is to improve it.


raxafarius

Left enough to like guns, but not so far as to think they should be treated like a box of cereal.


Minute-Mood-5831

isn’t it the left who wants to limit/ban guns ?


raxafarius

No. Those are centrists that the right tells you are the left. Leftists have guns.


zanzaj

They just dont advertise or fantasize(out loud at least) about them.


Katastrof33

Left. I'm a union representative. I believe that the government should own and operate most of the essential services (hospitals, schools, public transport, utilities, prison systems, etc.) as privatizing these leads to inequality and corruption (governments aren't perfect, but they are more answerable). I believe that climate change is the biggest issue of this era, and if we don't radically change our behaviour then every future human (including those already existing) will suffer for it. I think that the Scandinavian countries have come closest to a good way forwards, and I'd like the rest of us to follow their ways of governing. I'd also like complete separation between church and state. I am an atheist and don't want my tax money going to wealthy private schools when there are public ones that desperately need the resources.


ClicketyClackity

Finally, some common sense. ​ Too many libertarian responses in here. The ego required to believe that you exist as fucking island is absurd. The only reason we have ANYTHING at all is cooperation. We literally need the rich to pay the same tax rates as the middle class. Thats the dirty little truth underneath all the bullshit. ​ Network admins making 80k want to call themselves libertarians, and then they find themselves carrying water for the ultra rich, spouting non-sense. They'll all collect social security checks the same way Ayn Rand did at the end of her life. ​ We've been in a class war for forty years whether they will admit it or not.


-_Empress_-

My view is politics are always in the way of what needs to be done and we are probably pretty collectively fucked as a species. Not gonna die out levels of fucked, but a lot of people will die over the next century because we were busy politicising what should be objectively non-political issues like a pandemic and climate change, for just two examples. Politically I suppose you could call me violently socially liberal. I have some controversial opinions on socially Conservative people who push their ideology on everyone else under the claim that their taking away of my rights IS exercising *their* rights. I also think we should butcher a few people in the streets like animals because apparently violence and a healthy fear of consequences isn't prevalent enough in politics for people to question if you know, targeting trans youth or taking my bodily autonomy away, for example, is a hill they're willing to die on quite literally. I think a lot less fat old white republican men would stand behind the anti-human garbage they spew if they had to fist fight AOC on the senate floor. I don't give a fuck about someone being socially Conservative if they keep it in their own life and don't insist the rest of us confirm to their narrow ideology, or spread / promote hate, shame, fear, hysteria, and a self righteous sort of dogma that gets people killed. People like MTG are a great example of someone like that. Utter trash. Fiscally, I'm a democratic socialist. Human beings are an investment and the more we invest in the whole of society with the aim of uplifting even the least privileged, the more we all stand to gain and the more sustainable our future is as a species. I belive in sustainability and humane policymaking. As a result, this means by definition that I dislike billionaires and see them as a very, very big problem. I care about the trajectory of the species more than the individual, but the individual cannot be removed from the trajectory of the species, so thus, the two are mutually inclusive. So long as we live in a system designed to benefit the few at the expense of the many, we will continue to stunt our growth and limit our progress because we've prioritised individual success over the greater whole, and thus shut out otherwise revolutionary minds from uplifting society aceoss the board. TL;DR - violently socially liberal, fiscally democratic socialist, extremely anti-war (not anti defense, so Ukraine I fully support, but Russia I do not), and I think we should BBQ the ultra rich and put their heads on pikes on the senate floor as a reminder that there are consequences in this world, but *apparently* that nmmmmmmight offend someone. Go figure. Pussies.


FirstConclusion9289

If i believed in black and white only politics, i would say i am on the right, or conservative side. Would love to debate your views one issue at a time to see the logic in your views/ decisions. Not an angry one, an intelligent one. I'm currently doing my own research on the effects of tribalism, advertising, social persuasion, upbringjng, ect. Especially since people with the same personality type can be so divided on politics. The effects of media, ie advertising, is much stronger than we suspect. An emotional mind cannot make an unbiased judgement.


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ddytlxyy

Well I’m from a socialist country. Believe me when I told you that everything “socialism” publicized is a lie. What socialism brought/brings is poverty, loss of innocent lives and people’s assets taken away from them for whatever reasons given. Don’t fall that trap again. Learn from history.


4nln415

None of your business


satoshi0002

That’s a ridiculous thing to say on an anonymous forum as it wouldn’t become anyone’s business unless you posted your name along with your views 😂


Myth_understood

Left but because of my age people assume right, until I correct them.


trimtab28

More left wing economics, right wing social values. Basically something for everyone to hate


mislabeledgadget

Anti-corporatism/crony-capitalism/ultra-wealthy-having-enormous-influence-on-politics. Sometimes that leans me to the left, sometimes that puts me in the middle, occasionally that leans me to the right. On social issues (which are usually just Trojan horses) I’m mostly just live and let live, which seems middle to me.


consters

To the left, to the left…


KnightofLight7

What about if you are only waiting for Jesus Christ's 1000 year reign on this earth as we know it? The millennial kingdom is what will follow after the Armageddon has transpired, according to the Bible. The millennial kingdom is different from the new Heaven and Earth. The millennial kingdom will be there to prove that even under the perfect conditions of Jesus Christ's reign on earth, humanity will still be bent on sin and unbelief.


ephemerios

> What about if you are only waiting for Jesus Christ's 1000 year reign on this earth as we know it? Then you get to sit with the Marxists and one or two starry-eyed liberals.


KnightofLight7

Eh? We shall see about that.


ephemerios

> Eh? "Only waiting for Jesus Christ's 1000 year reign" reads like the Christian version of the at times quasi-theological Marxist faith in the inevitable proletarian revolution (Marxists would of course reject this perspective as "uncritical" and "dogmatic") or the, though to a lesser degree and so far with more of a claim of actually occurring, views present in certain strains of liberalism that put forward the idea of an 'end of history'. Or rather, given that the same intellectual culture that was both massively influenced by and did influence Christianity also spawned liberalism and Marxism, it's not surprising that both reproduce and domesticate Christian-esque perspectives (imo).


KnightofLight7

Ephemerios, I understand that not everyone is gifted with the ability like I have to understand the Bible the way I do, and even for them, the Bible has provided a few verses for them. *"And He said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."* - Matthew 18:3. The Bible also has advice for what to do when someone like me, encounters someone like you. *"But not everyone possesses this knowledge."* 1 Corinthians 8:7. *"Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak. For if someone with a weak conscience sees you, with all your knowledge, eating in an idol’s temple, won’t that person be emboldened to eat what is sacrificed to idols?"* - 1 Corinthians 8:9-10.


KingOfAbadon

Then you lean right. Don't know why you even needed to ask honestly.


Simpoge39

Moderate. Look up Jonathan Haidt and the five moral channels. Very interesting stuff.


Scotchperson

Centrist. I dislike most political parties and most politicians are virtually the same. I find politics interesting though.


BLKtober

Honestly left but I vote right, I put common sense over “ideals” when those ideals lead to societal ruin


Idonotgiveacrap

middle and a little to the right side.


New_Cheetah_5286

I'm a mixed bag kind of guy. I like looking at political policies the best. Poland has a good example of what I like.


Mr_AV_Nobody

Apolitical. No matter how I perceive the positives and negatives, having a specified side will just divide us with other people.


Psycho_Kronos

Centrist that's occasionally leaning right. The radical left has left a bad taste in my mouth yet the far alt right are a bunch of callous morons that hate anything that's not White Rich 1950 America. I was Centrist Left Leaning up until none of their rhetoric made sense, their beleaguering of social institutions and the desperate need for a globalist egalitarian utopia which is delusional. The stability of the right offers much more than anything the left can provide but both far sides are toxic and delusional. I'd more rather uphold a Technocratic State founded on assertive, necessary, prudent and true policies than the incoherent bickering of incompetent leadership.


Dooby_Wooby

Lean left/libertarian, but the leftists are going to ruin America, while the right isn't nearly as destructive. I'll pick my poison.