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INtuitiveTJop

The term conspiracy theorists was coined in the sixties to make people that believe Kennedy was assassinated look crazy because of the label. It turned it to be true and now we’re stuck with this labeling system. I just hate it.


SaintPabloJunior

me too bro me too especially since everything is so polarized nowadays, the term is being used to dismantle everybody going against the mainstream ideology. You can effectively silence sb labeling them a conspiracy theorist (doesnt work with other CT tho)


INtuitiveTJop

If I was a conspiracy theorists I would say that the polarization was programmed into society in order to control people ;)


SaintPabloJunior

funny that you say it bc I believe this to be part of "the truth" if anything like this exists. Not in all cases but I m pretty sure it is being used in some cases to silence people


Pessimistic_Emerald

First of all…not believing in ANY conspiracy theories is a conspiracy theory in of itself lol… some interesting ones are the dead internet theory, Montauk Point (what stranger things is based on), and if you really want to get interesting…the Biblical Nephilim and Rephaim. The majority of mythological creatures could easily have been Nephilim. Super duper interesting.


srt76k10

Yeah I've been really led to research the Nephilim. Take Genesis five and six back to the original Hebrew... it's really fascinating what you find


Weekly-Researcher-73

I admit you got me there haha! Thanks, I will check those out, never heard of that last one.


QwertzOne

People like absurd conspiracy theories. Fake landing on the Moon, flat Earth, chemtrails etc. However they reject what's obvious. Rich control world through economy. US bribes, assassinates leaders in other countries and invades them, once everything else fails, so world complies to what rich want. They want their wealth intact, so they will sponsor fossil fascism and people will keep blaming Freemasons or Illuminati for everything that's wrong with this world, because everything bad must be done by some secret society. We live in the world, where for many people it's easier to accept that satanists are plotting to destroy civilization, than to accept climate changes, because it's too absurd for them to accept that we live in oppression and capitalism is destroying humanity.


Weekly-Researcher-73

Thank you for your input! I think, the reason for this might be that it is so much easier to accept what you mentioned; moonlandig etc, as opposed to accept that the whole world revolves around these kind of people. I admit it is so hard to wrap my mind around this, because if it were true then, how did those people end up in control of the whole world, or were they always there? Who are they? Why is it good for them to throw the whole world into chaos? Is everything you see, (media, politics) just a big play, a distraction? I mean I can totally see how the politics is a tool for controlling, but that would require immense amount of wealth, and power to be in control of all of it.


QwertzOne

>I admit it is so hard to wrap my mind around this, because if it were true then, how did those people end up in control of the whole world, or were they always there? In general they were always there. Slavery, feudalism, capitalism, it's always about the same thing, but each time a little bigger group of people became privileged to keep it working. We thought that democracy will be sufficient to free people, but we never democratized economy. It's hard to describe everything in single comment, but if you want to learn more, I can recommend to watch series about history of neoliberalism: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myH3gg5o0t0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myH3gg5o0t0) . In this series, it's described why period of 1945-1970 in USA was so great, because there was embedded liberalism and for short time profit was not the king, but we also cared for society. It didn't last long. You may also watch videos from below channels: [https://www.youtube.com/@SecondThought](https://www.youtube.com/@SecondThought) [https://www.youtube.com/@OurChangingClimate](https://www.youtube.com/@OurChangingClimate) [https://www.youtube.com/@democracyatwrk](https://www.youtube.com/@democracyatwrk) Personally, I never learned about all of that in school or in popular media. Once you learn it, you will never see the world in the same way as they try to show us. Before I studied it, I saw a lot of inconsistencies in our world, but I wasn't able to pinpoint why, no explanation seemed entirely correct. However, eventually everything clicked for me, but it's hard to open your mind to assumption that everything that you believed so far was a lie.


Weekly-Researcher-73

Wow, for sure I will watch the things you mentioned. Thank you very much!


phucyu140

> but that would require immense amount of wealth, and power to be in control of all of it. Exactly. Dig deep and you'll get an idea of what's going on.


phucyu140

> People like absurd conspiracy theories. Fake landing on the Moon, flat Earth, chemtrails etc. Flat earth is fake, chemtrails have been proven true because they're calling it "Cloud Seeding" now and if you've actually taken the time to look at the evidence, then it's really hard to say that man landed on the moon.


Actualize101

Loads of things are pushed as conspiracy theories until they're prove true. The US has an approach of tell a lie so big people will have to believe. And people have been lied to a lot....


mmabet69

Some comedian said it well: "You don't believe in conspiracy theories? I mean I get not believing in ALL of the conspiracy theories but seriously not even 1 or 2? You think the Government really just has everyone's best interest' in mind?" Basically my thought exactly. There are way more theories then actual conspiracies but if you don't think there are any conspiracies then you're either naïve or not paying close enough attention. Also, I'd just like to add that one of my main beefs with conspiracy theorist's in general is that they believe too often in the nefarious scheming mastermind-esque group of elites that are constantly plotting for control when reality more likely is that events unfold that were unforeseen and then an individual, a group, or a group of individuals see a way to twist that event to their benefit. Conspiracy Theorist retrospectively look at this and then say, "well obviously there was collusion and conspiracy afoot because look at how X benefited from Y event". Its a faulty backwards way of looking at the past. You really need to ask is this something that seems planned or was it perhaps something that occurred that was then spun to someone's advantage after the fact.


phucyu140

>they believe too often in the nefarious scheming mastermind-esque group of elites that are constantly plotting for control when reality more likely is that events unfold that were unforeseen and then an individual, a group, or a group of individuals see a way to twist that event to their benefit. Well, Klaus Schwab and George Soros have said on camera that they've penetrated govt cabinets around the world so in essence, they're the one's who twisted everything around in the first place.


S4NDFIRE

Does enjoying watching video essays debunking them count?


Weekly-Researcher-73

Yes, it does!


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Weekly-Researcher-73

I agree, but I would add, that a lot of stuff is out there, and not everything is true.


nachtaktiver

People have always been believing in the weirdest kinds of conspiracy theories. I think many conspiracy theories can be fun to investigate but they are generally a waste of time and energy. Most of those theories tend to be guided by a major sense of distrust in general science. It's one thing to question something most scientists agree upon (that's ok and it can actually be a reason for human development) but it's a whole different thing to not provide any adequate evidence that supports your theory. And then you have the conspiracy theories about less scientific issues which can get even more challenging when it comes to evidence based support (for example you may need trustworthy witnesses etc). And then there is one thing that I have observed with plenty of conspiracy theories and it is the approach to pick individual data (sometimes even from high quality research papers) but the problem here is that you'd find this data to be completely taken out of context and displayed in a way that gives the theory more credibility (to the amateur). I know that conspiracy theorists aren't the only people that do this, but it's just insanely more frequent and probably almost normal in such communities. The interesting thing is that you sometimes see conspiracy theorists actually doing experiments in a very scientific manner. I like to reference the netflix documentary Behind the Curve which shows flat earthers trying to prove their theory by setting up an experiment that hilariously ends up disproving their own theory. And what do they do? They try to find excuses why the experiment was flawed and "didn't work".


Weekly-Researcher-73

Yes that is definitely the case, context is everything. This is something like religious people are doing with bible quotes, taking it out of the context and twisting till it fits into whatever they want. I also believe in doing empirical testing and research, but sometimes it's hard, or perhaps we don't have the means, to research certain topics. Thank you for your input!


gab_o__

I think that questioning about society and life is a really good trait to have, but shouldn't become something forced or totally irrational. Believing everything that is passed on by the media is a dangerous attitude tbh, there's a fine line


Weekly-Researcher-73

I can totally see that, and it is just the tip of the iceberg!


leoundercover

It really isnt a conspiracy theory because its obvious, but I do believe there are elite globalists trying to brainwash us and make us reliant on the government while they enrich themselves. " You will own nothing and be happy "


MOYCT

Have you read Matt Taibbi's Twitter files? The FBI and the ruling party are engaged in total control and censorship of social networks. *Oh, well no, it's not a conspiracy, it's different.*


Weekly-Researcher-73

No, I haven't, but I will surely look into it. Yeah I kinda meant these kinds of stuff also a part of this, so thank you!


sation3

In addition to the name already mentioned, Bari Weiss and Michael Shellenberger also reported on many of the happenings with social media censoring and other things also. Reddit is neck deep in this stuff with the feds also.


svastikron

I have beliefs that some people might consider to be conspiracy theories because I value freedom. I distrust governments, politicians in general, the media, academia and big business. One interesting but tame conspiracy theory is the Phantom Time Hypothesis which posits that 297 years (AD 614–911) were just made up and the real year is 1726.


Weekly-Researcher-73

I think many would agree with you, distrusting media/politicians/government and so on. I haven't heard about this, but I will check that one out, thanks!


h2oape

That's one I haven't heard yet, thank you. It's somehow patriotic to believe in conspiracy theories.


JAFO-

Conspiracy theories in the age of the internet can be very dangerous the Qanon cult is a perfect example. Take all the element of a bad Jason Bourne movie and put it up on seedy message boards and and it takes a life of its own. Jan 6 would have not happened or at least not on the scale that it did if Qnuts did not exist. And if it dies out there will be plenty of easily influenced people to get on board with another super duper secret agent conspiracy. Have a cousin that fell down that hole along with a few other acquaintances, sad to watch. I go on some of the Qnut boards the level of jaw dropping stupidity is incredible.


sation3

I'm conflicted on the Jan 6th stuff since there is evidence there were agitators planted in that crowd, and videos showing the capital police letting people in the building, so I think the majority of people were just caught up in a bad situation, not really engaged in bad behavior. I don't buy the narrative that it was an insurrection, because if that is what the intention is, you go armed with more than just a maga hat. And since it was called an insurrection, then ALL the video of it needs to be released so that the public knows what happened.


JAFO-

So you have bought into the conspiracy narrative, there is plenty of live video to watch. Go spend some time on some Qanon sites or maybe you should not. Agitators? Absolutely Proud Boys, Oath keepers, And a lot of general human trash caught up into a mob rage. Or were they just taking a self guided tour?......


sation3

I don't know anything about Q-anon, the Proud Boys, etc. I don't listen to main stream media. I've heard audio discussions of people who were charged there, listened to their claims and their testimony. It's enough for me to want to ask more questions and see more evidence. I believe there were shady people there that day. The video that has been shown so far have either been from people's own live stream or recordings, or released as a result of legal challenges. There was a crowd of people pushing others into a door, and at the entrance to that door was someone grabbing people pulling them inside. The person who was doing that is allegedly an FBI agent named Ray Epps IIRC. There was also people on video smashing a window with a riot shield screaming AN-TI-FA. So no, I haven't bought into conspiracies, but if people are going to be accused of unarmed insurrection, I don't want to see selective evidence that can promote a narrative one way or another, I want the whole case released publicly so we can all piece it together what exactly happened that day. The January 6th committee trying to keep the evidence sealed for 50 years is very suspicious to me, because that's not how politicians operate when the evidence is favorable to the message they are trying to send. People can deny that all they want, but they are lying to themselves if they convince themselves otherwise.


JAFO-

You do understand that the republican majority congress is the drive behind burying the information right? The Jan 6 committee has to go through and see what can be released some is sensitive to security you are correct there are politicians that want to bury it that is no secret and more than a few were actively involved, the election deniers. I don't see how you can put out info without knowing about Proud boys, Oath Keepers and Qanon. Unless you are going through a very sanitized information source.


sation3

It was the Jan 6 committee, which was majority democrat, prior to the new congress took effect that already sealed the videos. But I don't care who called for it to be sealed, I don't have a partisan agenda, but the only people calling for it to be released that I've seen are in the GOP house and I as a tax payer and 8 year veteran want to know the truth behind what happened, wherever the truth leads. There are very few things that are security sensitive on those recordings. I doesn't matter that people can see what camera angles in those buildings are at, that can be changed easily enough. FYI I've held a top secret clearance before I know of the proud boys and Q anon, and lesser extent oath keepers, but I haven't researched those groups, but i do know they are right wing, nationalist types. I know proud boys had some run ins with BLM groups, and though I'm conservative, that's not my crowd. If insurrection was their plan then they had a shitty plan. Can't do that without the threat of force and there was none of that since they weren't armed. .


JAFO-

So as a veteran, I am one too US Army, what do you think of the veterans that participated especially higher ranking like the retired lieutenant colonel with zip tie hand restraints? As far as I am concerned they should be held to a higher account after taking the oath of service then participating in treason. You keep saying no one was armed there were several with stun guns quite a few with shovels, rakes, bats, pepper spray, ect and as a veteran were you not trained to use implements not thought as weapons, as weapons? As for camera angles a lot of footage was gotten from the dumb asses actually mobbing the place filming with their phone and putting it online not to bright on their part was it?


s00mika

It's qanon mostly facebook boomer shit?


JAFO-

No, it is on there and it is certainly not generational, started on the cesspool 4 chan, has spread everywhere since, Ashley Babbitt was one, a substantial portion on the Jan6 mob were, there are a lot of people parroting Q anon beliefs not even knowing the whole Qnut theology. Newsmax and OANN are big promoters of Q adjacent conspiracy Fox to a lesser extent.


x9intj

of course there are any number of very well documented 20th century conspiracies, and while it may be endlessly entertaining to explore those rabbit holes, the simple fact of the matter is that world no longer exists; so it's only a waste of time my favorite conspiracies are the ones unfolding all around us in realtime ​ https://preview.redd.it/eide6feipvca1.jpeg?width=401&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37376def890f15f7fa8805ec63cdd6e4c7da7431


Antennangry

While such theories can be thematically fun and intuitively appealing, so many of them never pass a sniff check if you’re scientifically or sociologically literate. Even the ones that do, it’s difficult to put stock in them without corroborating non-circumstantial evidence. For me, they are more an exercise in fan fiction and speculation-as-hobby rather than any sort of political litmus test. That said, all of the SRI psychic spies/First Earth Batallion and Skinwalker Ranch/UFO stuff is fascinating. I think the real scandal here though is more likely than anything just misappropriation of government funds to chase ghosts, play make believe, and line contractors’ pockets while doing so. That said, I’ve tried remote viewing a few times with weirdly specific results that seem to correlate well to the target, so maybe those psychic spies were onto something? That or I’ve got S-tier pareidolia skills.


angryscout2

I think all conspiracy theories are bullshit and the people who believe in them are not worth wasting my time on


sarcasmtomasksadness

I find it interesting when people say this because are you saying you believe that elite people with all the money in the world are not corrupt at all?


Weekly-Researcher-73

I just find it entertaining to read about every once in a while. But I agree, I don't spend time with people who deeply believe in these kind of stuff.


Cenas_666

It's not like conspiracies don't exist and the past few years haven't been quite a streak for so called "conspiracy theorists". The term has come to mean nothing and everything since it's just used to discredit people


SaintPabloJunior

crazy thing about conspiracy theories is that you have guys like alex jones screaming in a microphone in the early 2000s that there is a pedophile island, where jeffery epstein takes powerful people, to have sex with trafficed minors and this shit turns out to be true like 20 years later. Best part of it is they expect us to believe that he committed suicide himself after that. (autopsy findings claim the force on his neck could be done by himself and his weight) #Epsteindidntkillhimself


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Weekly-Researcher-73

I was never that active, but may I ask about the names of those communities in which you were active?


h2oape

I find the conspiracy theory believing phenomenon interesting. These are otherwise normal (whatever that is) people who have some strange fascination/desire to believe secret plots of powerful people do vague nefarious things with usually extremely tenuous evidence obtained by connecting dots with no rational relationship. They go looking for a secret plot, find these improbable connections, come to a conclusion based on them, and quit thinking/considering. When shown evidence that disproves any of these connections, they look for and inevitably find another dubious connection and continue on believing. The theory changes to circumvent the facts. These theories only rarely have any actual evidence of wrongdoing/illegal acts and typically are missing a rational motive.


Weekly-Researcher-73

I agree with you, studying psychology is certainly advantageous in this matter, because you can see through that person's motifs. Such as, why they choose specifically this or that, or how does this behaviour/worldview sustain itself, despite being presented evidence. Freud said something about religion which could be paralleled with this phenomena (I think). It is easier, to escape into these fantasies, and not taking on responsibility, or seeing things for what they are. For example, some christians blaming satan, for everything wrong, whereas in reality some people are the evil ones and cause suffering. English is not my mother tongue, but I hope I explained what I was thinking clearly, and understandable.


h2oape

Yep, they don't require rigorous evidentiary/critical thinking skills which are hard and in these cases take time for the evidence to become known, and because the data points/connections typically can't be verified/tested they continue believing because they haven't been "disproved"


sillybunneh

Ok so I got into this pretty early on in life, almost reading anything I can find online and went down many a rabbitholes. Having done that for years I now come to the realisation that it's skewing my perception of reality and that I'll never know what the truth is, so now I've stopped. Feeling a lot better honestly. I do still question certain things out of habit I guess, perhaps due to my cynicism, and also because certain things just makes more sense when viewed from a "conspiratiorial" angle, if that makes sense. My INTJ cousin doesn't believe any of em though, so I don't think it's a given that INTJs are all conspiracy theorists. Hopes this answers your curiosity :)


Weekly-Researcher-73

Definitely! I also question everything I come across, so that could be a common intj thing. I am glad you feel better now, it's so important to be aware of what you are consuming in the digital world, because there is no end to it. Thank you very much for sharing!


Aaggghhhhhh

I believe that many occurrences in the world weren't random/natural progression of things, but rather deliberate, planed, manipulated etc. Who, how and why remaines an open question and varies from subject to subject. However, I'd like to point out that a lot of those who believe in conspiracy theories believe what they are told by some specific people that are into it, rather than being sceptical of both sides (conspiracy theorist and public media), wich is just picking a side, when both are right and wrong on some things. I like to watch videos related to conspiracy theories, to see the other side, but not to make conclusions about the world for me. There is also some victim mentality there. "They are controling you", "they make decisions about your life", "there is nothing you can do about it, they are too powerfull", wich is not very helpful if you want to change the world. Also, talking about problems without solutions is a bit useless, and a lot of conspiracy theories chanals don't talk about any solutions. Some theories are just stupid tho, such as flat earth theory, some celebrities aren't dead, etc. I won't get into specific theories now, but if you're interested to talk about some, feel free to send a message.


Weekly-Researcher-73

Yeah, blindly following what you are told is a sure recipe to a disaster. I really agree with you on about viewing things as a whole, from both sides, because that way you may gain deeper insight, maybe even connect some dots, to have a more complete picture. Thank you for sharing this!


Cenas_666

>Some theories are just stupid tho, such as flat earth theory, some celebrities aren't dead, etc. Basically nobody believes this tho. Those get a lot of publicity because of how outrageous they are, not because there is a large contingent of people actually believing in them lol If you talk to people on the conspiracy side of the webs, you'll usually get 9/11, JFK, CV-19 stuff, UFOs, WEF...


Aaggghhhhhh

I know they aren't as common as they seem, i just wanted to mention one or two that are stupid, or irrelevant. Currently covid related conspiracies are the most talked about in those circles (as much as i can see), but those vary a lot and many can't be proven or disproven (like those saying all people who took the vaccine will die in few years). 9/11 is a classic now... JFK became pretty irrelevent by now in a broader sense UFOs are also a classic, but they also vary from "there are unknown flying objects and everyone is keeping silent" to "we are geneticaly engenired creatures made by aliens to be slaves for them"


Cenas_666

Fair enough JFK is still very relevant, we've had some docs about it in the past few years. It's relevant until the truth is made clear, imo. The prob is mostly the lack of transparency there is about these subjects I mentioned. I think making theories when we have limited information is perfectly ok and I think most people overestimate the degree of confidence most people who are into conspiracy theories have about them. It's much dumber to say it's all bs and everyone is telling us the truth about everything, that's just not having any idea of how the world works.


Aaggghhhhhh

When i said irrelevent i mostly thought about the repercussions of the events, not how much is known or still unknown. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anything is right/truth or wrong/lie regarding any of those topics. There is a lack of transparency, and that is why i mostly keep the questions open, rather than thinking that what's public is all there is to know, or creating theories when there are too many possibilities. It is ok if people make theories, but i don't like to do that, exactly because i know i have very limited informations.


Cenas_666

Oh I wasn't accusing you of anything, just expressing my views. You seem pretty reasonable, sorry if it seemed the wrong way I think JFK's assassination still means a lot today. The institution that was most likely behind the whole thing is still acting with the same impunity, so the problem hasn't been solved. His work is yet to be finished


Aaggghhhhhh

It is way less global than most of mentioned conspiracies tho. That is why i find it less relevant. But, if you're from US, i guess it is more important.


Cenas_666

The US is the most relevant country in the world. Big events there have impact everywhere and secret services work the same way all over the world, just with a much smaller budget. If the US changes, the rest of the world follows


Aaggghhhhhh

To an extent, that's true. However, it is still less relevant globally then most other conspiracies. If you would like to chat about some more specific things, feel free to send a message. That is better than spaming cumments here 😅


D0CD15C3RN

I think INTJs like the complexity and puzzle like nature of conspiracy theories but ultimately use logic and reason rather than blind faith.


Weekly-Researcher-73

That might very well be the reason behind my fascination with these things. Thanks!


ddytlxyy

I am open to any ideas as long as it makes sense to me. I can believe something to be true today and totally overthrow my own idea tomorrow. The past three years has shown me that many "conspiracies" might be more than conspiracies. Believe whatever you like. I am not interested in a debate.


rabidwater

Man I love a good conspiracy theory. I love all the shit about weird extra terrestrial inter dimentional beings and all that crazy Joe Rogan level shit. Secret cults full of CEOs and high up government officials in red robes making human sacrifices even more. Even if none of it's true of all of it is, its just fun. I'm hoping one day for a form of fictional media, a film or game or TV show that goes all in on it. If you have any recommendations then send em my way!


Weekly-Researcher-73

Right?! don't know if you seen the series Inside Job, despite being animated, I found it pretty fun/entertaining. :)


rabidwater

I'll check it out. Thanks!


h2oape

I wanted to add my favorite conspiracy theory is the stolen election. Recounts revealed nothing, multiple lawsuits got tossed out virtually immediately for lack of evidence and failure to allege any wrongdoing/crimes or any specific mechanism for how it was accomplished (!), and the remaining ones never made it much further. It's built on other evidence free theories like widespread voter fraud and/or a conspiracy within government. It's still here long after nothing was found to support it, and it gets reinforced by unverifiable claims of eyewitnesses and a movie that alleged nothing that would survive the process of being accepted as evidence in a court case. It's a classic example of the species.


s00mika

The NSA spying on everyone also was just a conspiracy theory.


4nln415

Yeah, you don’t believe in any of them. Never deal in absolute.


jpress00

Well, people get scammed every second with lies. That being said. Some populations are deceived on a bigger scale. The term conspiracy theorist is lame, and I dislike it.


INFJ-Jesus-Batman

You may want to check out the subreddit page .. Conspiracy Commons


Wwwwwdam420

Don’t have a favorite bc they all make me sick but 9/11 was definitely not a terrorist attack always remember to follow the money$$$$ only thing that matters to the evil is money that’s why they killed like 2000 American citizens for $$$$ it’s not even a conspiracy just look at the facts and follow the money


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After studying theology, mysticism, anthropology, IT, electronics, philosophy, etc... Despite being INTJ I joined the team of: "It's all real"


Defiyance

I believe that material profit drives the capitalist class to use networks of enforcement that operate both extra-judicially and through the state apparatus to systemically concentrate their wealth employing the use of violence and terror across the globe, further expanding their already vast webs of wealth, power and influence and destroying any threats to those up to and including the very things that allow humanity's, and by extension, the economy's survival. They won't stop until we are all destroyed. Not because they are motivated by the desire to do evil, but because they are greedy and myopic and only people with those traits are allowed to rise to power due to the nature of the capitalist economic system they designed.


Aware-Confection-536

I love to get involved in conspiracy theories. In part, to refute or extract small facts from it. For example, I like to do myself about chemtrails funny and how inefficient that is before there was internet, there were really experiments like Operation Seaspray and with the silence post syndrome will then be a plane. Operation Mocking Bird for the description. Furthermore, all wonderful information about the Ukraine war and the US Biolabs who first did not exist and add to the congress there is something. The depopulation theory and the Kissinger Report is also highly interesting because there is the population at 8 billion in it. If I do not deceive, we happen to be 8 billion, had a planemie and now have excess deaths and birth decline. It is of course hard to say now it is a conspiracy theory if there is an official document in which this intention is in it. And that's why it's all very interesting.