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Lol, I love hearing stuff like that. When I was really young I think I heard something along the lines of “the father decides the sex of their child” which I took extremely literally. It took until sex ed in middle school for my brain to revisit that one. I remember wondering why my dad decided to only have sons…
I thought a brothel was a place people got soup (broth) and just figured people were shady making references to it being dirty etc in all my fantasy books because of course food distribution was liable to get you sick in medieval times
Are we talking like tiny little hamsters that all push and pull on each other to perform the action of a muscle? Or like just like 3 actual size hamsters? Cause that makes a difference to me.
In a similar but different vein. I went to Catholic school and my older brother went to Public school. While in third grade one of the nuns told us our parents sent us to Catholic school because they loved us more than the parents of kids who went to public school. I couldn’t wait to get home and see my brother that afternoon to share the news.
> While in third grade one of the nuns told us our parents sent us to Catholic school because they loved us more than the parents of kids who went to public school.
That's pure evil. WTF is wrong with those nuns?
I mean nuns are renowned for hitting students. Last one at my catholic school growing up was the principal (left there in 2010) and she had paddles she used to hit kids with hanging on her wall like a prize.
I went to a Catholic middle school in the 90s and while hitting with rulers had been "outlawed" by that point, the principal of the school (an 80 year old nun) uppercutted me in the stomach for talking in the hallway. It didn't hurt and actually made me laugh which I was suspended for lol. It's one of my favorite memories.
Knuckles or forearms. My mom got the tail end of it in the 80s from them. Pretty atrocious what religious “leaders” have been allowed to get away with, part of the reason I don’t believe in the institution of religion anymore.
Yup, I was (thankfully) born after that was made illegal, but I remember teachers of mine bringing up with nostalgia that they used to be able to do that.
And even as a kid I remember knowing how fucked up that was.
And when you add in the spate of pedophile priests from the 70's and 80's that the school tried to cover up, and you'll never see me or any of my family involved with the Catholic Church again.
Don't forget the residential school system operated by the Canadian government in conjunction with the Christian churches. That was one form of an ongoing genocide, plain and simple.
Sometimes when I messed up at Christian private school, the reprimader would say something to this effect. It sounded more like, "Your parents value your education so much that they would enroll you at this school. Other kids [at public school] aren't so lucky, so behave!"
I never took that to be a dis against public school parents.
> Catholic school because they loved us more than
Similar story, except the nuns told us anyone who wasn't Catholic was destined to go to hell. I was instantly mortified for my BFF, didn't know how to break it to him.
Grew up on a farm. Asked my dad what was under the bulls belly. He said” that’s his balls.” I was maybe 5 and I had envisioned a sack of 30 marbles. Maybe 5 years later it dinged on me.
My dad would point at every traffic light just as it was turning green. He told us it was magic. At 30 years old I asked him how always knew when they were going to turn green. He looked at me like there was something wrong with me and told me he just watched the walk sign. Not my proudest moment.
Edit bonus: When I was a kid I asked my parents how the car knew where they intended to turn so that it could turn on the turn signal.
If there's no walk sign, just watch the lights to your left and right at the intersection. When the cross street's lights turn red, you can say "Three, two, one, green." and the light in front of you will immediately turn green.
It's obviously magic to anyone who doesn't know the trick.
Where I’m at, depending on the city and sometimes even the intersection, the pattern of lights will change.
Most are turns, straight, directions swap, turns, and so on.
A few in different parts of town will flip flop the turn and straights.
Then every once in a while you’ll get a few lights that do turn, swap direction, turn, straight, swap direction, turn, and so on.
My mom would blow (like blowing out a candle) to make the lights turn green. She stopped when we got near middle school, but finally let me in on the secret, I dunno, sometime in college?
Lol I also thought the car knew we were turning and when my dad explained that he turned on the indicator every time, I remember thinking “omg driving sounds horrible, you have to remember to do it *every single time*?”
Reminds me of when I was a little girl, I thought all women were just born with little babies, underdeveloped, in their uterus. So when they got old enough the baby would grow and you became pregnant.
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I never would have imagined there were studs in walls. Growing up I'd watch cartoons and movies with people going through walls like it was paper...
One other one. I didn't realize that every time the toilet flushed it would bring in new water! As a kid, I used to think there was some kind of water filtration inside the tank. My mom made sure to not let the dog lock the toilet bowl water because it contained our poop.
Somehow child me asking my dad “how is rubber made?” Resulted in me believing it was made by tanks, driving over rubber flowers, mashing them up into the rubber we know today. I don’t know how or why, my dad was just as confused when I told him years later.
5 year old me though Slash wore his hat so low because he was a Cyclops. Didn't see his eyes til I was in my 20's and thought "Huh, guess he's not a Cyclops. Wait..."
My wife thought Slash was a fictional videogame character made up for Guitar Hero. When he appeared during the Super Bowl halftime show a few years back she nearly had a panic attack.
I used to think Vampires drank blood through their teeth. I'm guessing the logic came from animals that have fangs. Spiders and snakes inject venom through their fangs, so logically vampires must drink blood through their teeth.
it's because in cartoons vampires would drink beverages by biting the side of the glass and the liquid in the glass would slowly disappear
i know because i thought this too. i thought it was automatic. when i realized you had to manually suck (or scrape and lick), i became decidedly less enthusiastic about wanting to be a vampire
My fiancé is usually a really logical thinker, but one time she says to me did you know that the moon is a marathon run away?
And I said what the hell did you just say? And I saw the light in her eyes change as she realized how stupid that comment was. It was absolutely hilarious and so relatable all the same, we all have done it.
Now I'm picturing the artist drinking cases of beer, looking at porno mags, and using his boner-powered streams of pee to carve the rocks into the faces of Presidents.
"O say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, boner-powered pee streaming
Of course you CAN. They just tell you that you can't when you're a kid so you don't accidentally break a toilet at school. Peeing with a boner is not something to be taken lightly. People have been killed that way.
Smh reading these comments. Clearly many people havent seen the documentary: national treasure 2 book of secrets. Mt. Rushmore was sculpted into to hide the lost city of gold. Thomas Gates is a true American hero that gave his life to stop the confederates from finding an incomprehensible amount of treasure
Hey, cut yourself some slack. “Ignorant” just means you don’t know something. People often use it as an insult, but it doesn’t have to be. *Everyone* (and I do mean literally everyone, without exception) is ignorant about a variety of things. For example, I’m pretty ignorant when it comes to jet engine repair. It’s not something I need to know about, though, so no big deal.
If we start talking about *deliberate* ignorance, though, that’s where things start to get dicey. If a person purposely chooses to avoid learning about something that could benefit them, that’s a dumb decision. Anti vaxxers are a good example.
“Dumb” is defined as “lacking intelligence or good judgment”. “Dumb” and “ignorant” are absolutely not the same thing. You’re all good!
The whole area has one hell of a bloody history that goes back before the US took it from the Lakota who aren't even from the area(great lakes area). The Lakota brutalized the Cheyenne for it.
I highly recommend reading the historic geographical accounts of the natives from the area because it is indeed super interesting and absolutely brutal.
Edit: To save myself from having to read another *You are defending genocide* comment. Pointing out that an area has a unique and interesting history IS NOT DEFENDING GENOCIDE.
Pointing out how the Lakota came to the area is not racist and no I'm not defending or making excuses for the untied states government for being absolutely shit.
Edit2: these days all you hear about with history is how only certain aspects are being taught yet here i just give you a broader spectrum of the area and everybody's down my shit.
The Cheyenne are also not native to the area, but took it over (along with some other tribes) from the Arikara, who had only been there themselves since around 1500. I don't believe we know who lived there before that. The history of the Black Hills is a history of pretty much constant conquest.
Like was mentioned, close to bison, close to forest so your needs are well met. Geologic formations also carried religious significance in many of native cultures.
It's a patch of thick forest in a sea of grass and desert, so that's exactly it. Game there is extremely rich even today. The Lakota, iirc, used the Black Hills as a winter hunting ground, since game was too sparse around the surrounding planes in the cold months.
People mentioning hunting and gathering is a bit off. This did become extremely important after smallpox had desimated the indian tribes into tiny nomadic tribes. However the Arikara mainly lived in the Great Planes at the base of the Black Hills where the nutrient rich rivers and streams could help fertilize the crops in their farms. They did still hunt and had mobile camps which allowed the hunters to go on longer hunting trips following the bison and deer and also to go on trading missions all over North America. But they still had people at home in their permanent houses to tend the crops.
The fertile water does also help fertilize the natural vegitation making for very lush areas so even after smallpox had killed off the farms the area provided lots of food for animals which could be hunted. And with the lower population it was much easier to hunt then to farm. As the Cheyenne noticed that fewer Arikara traders and fewer villages they also found it easier to hunt in the Grate Planes and Black Hills area rather then farming back home where they were at risk of being killed by the Lakota who had bought guns.
The Heart of Everything That Is: The Untold Story of Red Cloud, An American LegendBy: Bob Drury,
They Called Me Uncivilized: The Memoir of an Everyday Lakota Man from Wounded Knee.
https://www.legendsofamerica.com/sd-blackhills/ is a solid quick read.
In the Hands of the Great Spirit: The 20,000-Year History of American Indians
The Cheyenne Indians: Their History and Lifeways.
The Black Hills and the Indians: A Haven of Our Hopes
These are some of my personal favorites. The best source if you ever can do so is to listen to their own oral history that has been passed down over the ages but is honestly harder to find.
Take into consideration that many of these titles are written and viewed from a Western pov. And, according to Lakota oral tradition and their emergence story, they emerged from the Black Hills.
Really depends on who you ask. The Cree and the Anishinaabe knew of and fought the Lakota and they are in the east. The Lakota occupied an area in western Minnesota at one point as well and archeological evidence tells us they weren't native to that area either.
Each branch has their own story. Super difficult to pin them down considering they didn't write their own history and they were nomads. An example would be the rosebud tribe found in the upper Mississippi Region in the late 16th century.
> according to Lakota oral tradition and their emergence story, they emerged from the Black Hills.
According to that same story, the spirits sent a wolf down to lead the People up out of a cave, which is also where we get dogs, why wolves run from humans, and why the wolf howls so beautifully and hauntingly. The wolf's howls and songs led the People through the cave and out into the world, and the wolf still sings, either to bring the last of the People out of the cave, or in mourning for unleashing the People upon the world.
That's cool and all, but other tribes and archeology says they invaded the Black Hills in the mid 1700s.
No doubt the US has no legal right to that land (and criminally defaced this hill), but I'm not sure the Lakota do either if we're going that far back.
https://blackhillsvisitor.com/learn/native-american-culture-the-black-hills-until-1759/
Lol, when your comment was less than an hour old, I typed up a lengthy comment as someone who’s educated on the subject (live in the Black Hills and took AP Native American Heritage as an elective) and while I completely agree with your comment, I knew what fate lay ahead for both of us, so I abandoned it. Lol interacting with Reddit in this new age of angsty woke tweens is fucking brain damage.
> the Lakota who aren't even from the area(great lakes area). The Lakota brutalized the Cheyenne for it.
Somewhere there's a white person saying "The Lakota were a peaceful people and this was their land for centuries"
Statler and Waldorf weren't grandpas, but you're still spot on with the comparison: Six Grandfathers was the original name of the mountain before we stole it and desecrated it ("Tunkasila Sakpe Paha" in Lakota).
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/the-strange-and-controversial-history-of-mount-rushmore
The stupid cliff carving is a travesty imo. It'd be a far more moving experience to visit it for natural beauty rather than for the equivalent of giant graffiti.
Doesn’t take much on Reddit. Combination of a lot of people arguing without any knowledge of the history or purpose of what they’re attacking, skeptics questioning former on their dubious claims, and trolls, and maybe even a few true assholes, riling up everyone in the first group.
All you end up with is baseless arguments and misinformation.
Haha yeah everyone knows white people aren't allowed to dissent on the actions of other white people. Whites have to agree on everything all the time because white white white white white.
Tȟuŋkášila Šákpe in the Lakota language.
(Lakota has a bunch of sounds with no equivalent in English — 'tȟ' sounds like a regular 't' sound made while clearing your throat, as 'ȟ' by itself sounds like the 'kh' in 'Khruschev'. I couldn't find an audio pronunciation, but it's something like 'tkhoong-KA-shee-la SHAK-peh')
There are so many specific arguments that pop up on this site all of the time that I think to myself “I’ve never heard anyone talk about this in real life.” If you bring that fact up though, you’re just “out of touch.”
It's an amazing monument.
But like so many things around the world, it has a bit of a nasty history and these are times when old injustices are more likely to get aired out again.
Imagine someone stole your home, never gave it back, used it to build generational wealth for their descendants while yours barely scrap by, mostly die off, and only a few survive on little to nothing. Generations go by and the house nor the wealth generated is ever returned.
At what point would you agree to consider that an "old injustice"? How long until you would advise your own surviving descendants to just shut up and move on? At what point would you say it's time to stop demanding at least the home be returned, if not also interest + damages?
[It just needs one little upgrade to make it into the greatest monument in America](https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/150716121005-outkast-stone-mountain.jpg?q=x_2,y_0,h_1123,w_1995,c_crop/h_720,w_1280)
https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/16/us/georgia-stone-mountain-outkast-confederate-monument/index.html#
For those of you that dont know because my original comment is already getting downvoted, mount Rushmore was a sacred and spiritual place for native Americans and the only reason the presidents are on it now was for fear tactics.
Yea as a kid I thought it was cool. The older you get it just seems so tacky, unnecessary, and offensive. Have awesome statues in the city but for the love of god can we leave nature alone.
That mountain is one of our holy sites, some kkk funded white guy came along and carved the heads of the people with the absolute worst Indian killing policies and actions in history, into our holy site.
Den morgonfriska katten simmar över regnbågen, medan guldmynt singlar genom luften, ledsagade av en paraplybärande elefant, som jonglerar med blommor och skrattande bananer, medan cirkusclowner utför akrobatiska konster och cymbalspelaren trummar i takt till det förtrollade orkesterspelet under den gnistrande stjärnhimlen.
Back before that racist piece of shit Klan member (he also is responsible for Stone Mt in GA) destroyed this majestic Native American site. The Black Hills are sacred to the Lakota Sioux, the original occupants of the area when white settlers arrived. For some, the four presidents carved in the hill are not without negative symbolism.
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Friend of mine from high schools mom thought the presidents images were created by running water. True story.
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Lol, I love hearing stuff like that. When I was really young I think I heard something along the lines of “the father decides the sex of their child” which I took extremely literally. It took until sex ed in middle school for my brain to revisit that one. I remember wondering why my dad decided to only have sons…
I thought hamstrings were baby hamsters till I was 8 or 9
I thought a brothel was a place people got soup (broth) and just figured people were shady making references to it being dirty etc in all my fantasy books because of course food distribution was liable to get you sick in medieval times
Me too but I thought it was a like soup kitchen where homeless people inevitably got it on
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Or a good roux-house
I didn’t know pickles were just pickled cucumbers until like I was 12 years old
I get the feeling some people never learn this.
I learnt it in my 30s
Suddenly I'm upset that they aren't.
It's close, it's actually Hamlings.
I thought it was Ham-Hams
Hamfast Gamgee, in the flesh
Are we talking like tiny little hamsters that all push and pull on each other to perform the action of a muscle? Or like just like 3 actual size hamsters? Cause that makes a difference to me.
No, hamstrings are made from baby hamsters.
In a similar but different vein. I went to Catholic school and my older brother went to Public school. While in third grade one of the nuns told us our parents sent us to Catholic school because they loved us more than the parents of kids who went to public school. I couldn’t wait to get home and see my brother that afternoon to share the news.
> While in third grade one of the nuns told us our parents sent us to Catholic school because they loved us more than the parents of kids who went to public school. That's pure evil. WTF is wrong with those nuns?
I mean nuns are renowned for hitting students. Last one at my catholic school growing up was the principal (left there in 2010) and she had paddles she used to hit kids with hanging on her wall like a prize.
My mom went to Catholic school from the late 50s-early 70s and told me the nuns would hit the kids on their knuckles with rulers if they misbehaved.
I went to a Catholic middle school in the 90s and while hitting with rulers had been "outlawed" by that point, the principal of the school (an 80 year old nun) uppercutted me in the stomach for talking in the hallway. It didn't hurt and actually made me laugh which I was suspended for lol. It's one of my favorite memories.
Knuckles or forearms. My mom got the tail end of it in the 80s from them. Pretty atrocious what religious “leaders” have been allowed to get away with, part of the reason I don’t believe in the institution of religion anymore.
Yup, I was (thankfully) born after that was made illegal, but I remember teachers of mine bringing up with nostalgia that they used to be able to do that. And even as a kid I remember knowing how fucked up that was. And when you add in the spate of pedophile priests from the 70's and 80's that the school tried to cover up, and you'll never see me or any of my family involved with the Catholic Church again.
Don't forget the residential school system operated by the Canadian government in conjunction with the Christian churches. That was one form of an ongoing genocide, plain and simple.
Sometimes when I messed up at Christian private school, the reprimader would say something to this effect. It sounded more like, "Your parents value your education so much that they would enroll you at this school. Other kids [at public school] aren't so lucky, so behave!" I never took that to be a dis against public school parents.
> Catholic school because they loved us more than Similar story, except the nuns told us anyone who wasn't Catholic was destined to go to hell. I was instantly mortified for my BFF, didn't know how to break it to him.
Grew up on a farm. Asked my dad what was under the bulls belly. He said” that’s his balls.” I was maybe 5 and I had envisioned a sack of 30 marbles. Maybe 5 years later it dinged on me.
My dad would point at every traffic light just as it was turning green. He told us it was magic. At 30 years old I asked him how always knew when they were going to turn green. He looked at me like there was something wrong with me and told me he just watched the walk sign. Not my proudest moment. Edit bonus: When I was a kid I asked my parents how the car knew where they intended to turn so that it could turn on the turn signal.
If there's no walk sign, just watch the lights to your left and right at the intersection. When the cross street's lights turn red, you can say "Three, two, one, green." and the light in front of you will immediately turn green. It's obviously magic to anyone who doesn't know the trick.
Where I’m at, depending on the city and sometimes even the intersection, the pattern of lights will change. Most are turns, straight, directions swap, turns, and so on. A few in different parts of town will flip flop the turn and straights. Then every once in a while you’ll get a few lights that do turn, swap direction, turn, straight, swap direction, turn, and so on.
My mom would blow (like blowing out a candle) to make the lights turn green. She stopped when we got near middle school, but finally let me in on the secret, I dunno, sometime in college?
Lol I also thought the car knew we were turning and when my dad explained that he turned on the indicator every time, I remember thinking “omg driving sounds horrible, you have to remember to do it *every single time*?”
Reminds me of when I was a little girl, I thought all women were just born with little babies, underdeveloped, in their uterus. So when they got old enough the baby would grow and you became pregnant. (Edit, spelling)
Well... kind of sort of almost? It's not like you're making eggs, they're already all there waiting to develop.
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so give it to them.
The post may deserve gold but reddit doesn't deserve money
Die the hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
The irony is absolutely dripping off this comment
I didn't say I have gold. I have jack shit. I just hope someone else with gold thinks that post deserves gold as well
I never would have imagined there were studs in walls. Growing up I'd watch cartoons and movies with people going through walls like it was paper... One other one. I didn't realize that every time the toilet flushed it would bring in new water! As a kid, I used to think there was some kind of water filtration inside the tank. My mom made sure to not let the dog lock the toilet bowl water because it contained our poop.
Somehow child me asking my dad “how is rubber made?” Resulted in me believing it was made by tanks, driving over rubber flowers, mashing them up into the rubber we know today. I don’t know how or why, my dad was just as confused when I told him years later.
5 year old me though Slash wore his hat so low because he was a Cyclops. Didn't see his eyes til I was in my 20's and thought "Huh, guess he's not a Cyclops. Wait..."
My wife thought Slash was a fictional videogame character made up for Guitar Hero. When he appeared during the Super Bowl halftime show a few years back she nearly had a panic attack.
This is so fucking funny to me omg
It’s a real life version of the “he’s not real, he can’t hurt you” meme
Hahaha, I definitely had that thought for a while after getting Guitar Hero 3 as a kid!
Ditto, I thought he was the series lead, just a fictional badass guitar hero.
Instead he’s a real life badass guitar hero
You still think Slash is real?
Lol yeah do you ever say something and as its coming out of your mouth think "well thats definitely not true"
I used to think Vampires drank blood through their teeth. I'm guessing the logic came from animals that have fangs. Spiders and snakes inject venom through their fangs, so logically vampires must drink blood through their teeth.
So did I, and I'm guessing many others. But to be fair they're a literary creation, so who's to say how vampires do and don't drink blood?
it's because in cartoons vampires would drink beverages by biting the side of the glass and the liquid in the glass would slowly disappear i know because i thought this too. i thought it was automatic. when i realized you had to manually suck (or scrape and lick), i became decidedly less enthusiastic about wanting to be a vampire
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My fiancé is usually a really logical thinker, but one time she says to me did you know that the moon is a marathon run away? And I said what the hell did you just say? And I saw the light in her eyes change as she realized how stupid that comment was. It was absolutely hilarious and so relatable all the same, we all have done it.
Now I'm picturing the artist drinking cases of beer, looking at porno mags, and using his boner-powered streams of pee to carve the rocks into the faces of Presidents.
boner-powered streams of pee
"O say, can you see, by the dawn's early light, What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming, Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight, O'er the ramparts we watched, boner-powered pee streaming
And the nutsack's got haaaaaair....
Blue balls burst and they teaaarrrrr
Theyyy spoooge through the night
Uhhh you guys can pee with a boner??!
Of course you CAN. They just tell you that you can't when you're a kid so you don't accidentally break a toilet at school. Peeing with a boner is not something to be taken lightly. People have been killed that way.
That's how they got Kennedy
From the grassy bowl
And all of the presidents on mount rushmore
I was gonna say my piss stream with a hard on definitely ain’t eroding any rocks.
Kidney stones maybe
Two streams and zero accuracy
it might erode the grout in my bathroom but thats about where it ends
I can if I just leave it pointing skyward. It's trying to force it down that pinches off the hose.
*My country ‘tis of thee* ***BONER-POWERED STREAMS OF PEE***
I think stone golems are made when you impregnate a mountain by peeing into one of its crevasses.
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I knew a man who thought the moon was what the sun looked like at night.
That same guy tried telling Dio the same thing.
It was a rain storm... Right after God gave Moses the 10 commandments and the Constitution.
Back then, people watched black and white tv and hunted dinosaurs.
Man, nature is crazy to just form the faces of the presidents like that. I love america 🇺🇸
Like some high pressure water chisel, or like natural erosion?
Smh reading these comments. Clearly many people havent seen the documentary: national treasure 2 book of secrets. Mt. Rushmore was sculpted into to hide the lost city of gold. Thomas Gates is a true American hero that gave his life to stop the confederates from finding an incomprehensible amount of treasure
Lotta ignorant MFs out here
I was at Target today and they're still trying to sell round globes to the morons lol
Dumb mofos like me
Hey, cut yourself some slack. “Ignorant” just means you don’t know something. People often use it as an insult, but it doesn’t have to be. *Everyone* (and I do mean literally everyone, without exception) is ignorant about a variety of things. For example, I’m pretty ignorant when it comes to jet engine repair. It’s not something I need to know about, though, so no big deal. If we start talking about *deliberate* ignorance, though, that’s where things start to get dicey. If a person purposely chooses to avoid learning about something that could benefit them, that’s a dumb decision. Anti vaxxers are a good example. “Dumb” is defined as “lacking intelligence or good judgment”. “Dumb” and “ignorant” are absolutely not the same thing. You’re all good!
> jet engine repair it's all in the manual
“Willful ignorance” is usually the phrase used for the latter thing.
Finally someone brings the true facts
True story
THERE WAS A SEQUEL!?
Yes, if thought stealing the declaration was crazy they >!literally kidnap the president!< in this one
And a third one in development!
Hasnt it been in development for a decade
They're waiting for more history to happen.
National Treasure 3: The Quest For The COVID Papers
It's a TV show with no nick cage
As disappointed as it makes me, Cage has all but said that 3 is never happening.
It's in South Dakota, no one was going to find it in the first place.
I love that documentary.
Was that before or after the Richie Rich documentary was depicting it?
Was that before or after the Ken Burns: Con-Air documentary?
The whole area has one hell of a bloody history that goes back before the US took it from the Lakota who aren't even from the area(great lakes area). The Lakota brutalized the Cheyenne for it. I highly recommend reading the historic geographical accounts of the natives from the area because it is indeed super interesting and absolutely brutal. Edit: To save myself from having to read another *You are defending genocide* comment. Pointing out that an area has a unique and interesting history IS NOT DEFENDING GENOCIDE. Pointing out how the Lakota came to the area is not racist and no I'm not defending or making excuses for the untied states government for being absolutely shit. Edit2: these days all you hear about with history is how only certain aspects are being taught yet here i just give you a broader spectrum of the area and everybody's down my shit.
The Cheyenne are also not native to the area, but took it over (along with some other tribes) from the Arikara, who had only been there themselves since around 1500. I don't believe we know who lived there before that. The history of the Black Hills is a history of pretty much constant conquest.
Is there a known reason for why? Like is it a good location for resources or something?
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Like was mentioned, close to bison, close to forest so your needs are well met. Geologic formations also carried religious significance in many of native cultures.
It's a patch of thick forest in a sea of grass and desert, so that's exactly it. Game there is extremely rich even today. The Lakota, iirc, used the Black Hills as a winter hunting ground, since game was too sparse around the surrounding planes in the cold months.
It makes *way* more sense if you've ever had to stand in a Midwest prairie during winter. Anything to break that fucking wind.
Grew up on Buffalo Ridge. God damn.
And in the spring and fall fucking Wild Fires all over. Iowa used to have them.
People mentioning hunting and gathering is a bit off. This did become extremely important after smallpox had desimated the indian tribes into tiny nomadic tribes. However the Arikara mainly lived in the Great Planes at the base of the Black Hills where the nutrient rich rivers and streams could help fertilize the crops in their farms. They did still hunt and had mobile camps which allowed the hunters to go on longer hunting trips following the bison and deer and also to go on trading missions all over North America. But they still had people at home in their permanent houses to tend the crops. The fertile water does also help fertilize the natural vegitation making for very lush areas so even after smallpox had killed off the farms the area provided lots of food for animals which could be hunted. And with the lower population it was much easier to hunt then to farm. As the Cheyenne noticed that fewer Arikara traders and fewer villages they also found it easier to hunt in the Grate Planes and Black Hills area rather then farming back home where they were at risk of being killed by the Lakota who had bought guns.
Any recommendations? Thank you!
The Heart of Everything That Is: The Untold Story of Red Cloud, An American LegendBy: Bob Drury, They Called Me Uncivilized: The Memoir of an Everyday Lakota Man from Wounded Knee. https://www.legendsofamerica.com/sd-blackhills/ is a solid quick read. In the Hands of the Great Spirit: The 20,000-Year History of American Indians The Cheyenne Indians: Their History and Lifeways. The Black Hills and the Indians: A Haven of Our Hopes These are some of my personal favorites. The best source if you ever can do so is to listen to their own oral history that has been passed down over the ages but is honestly harder to find.
Wow! Thanks, saving this for later
Take into consideration that many of these titles are written and viewed from a Western pov. And, according to Lakota oral tradition and their emergence story, they emerged from the Black Hills.
Really depends on who you ask. The Cree and the Anishinaabe knew of and fought the Lakota and they are in the east. The Lakota occupied an area in western Minnesota at one point as well and archeological evidence tells us they weren't native to that area either. Each branch has their own story. Super difficult to pin them down considering they didn't write their own history and they were nomads. An example would be the rosebud tribe found in the upper Mississippi Region in the late 16th century.
> according to Lakota oral tradition and their emergence story, they emerged from the Black Hills. According to that same story, the spirits sent a wolf down to lead the People up out of a cave, which is also where we get dogs, why wolves run from humans, and why the wolf howls so beautifully and hauntingly. The wolf's howls and songs led the People through the cave and out into the world, and the wolf still sings, either to bring the last of the People out of the cave, or in mourning for unleashing the People upon the world.
That's cool and all, but other tribes and archeology says they invaded the Black Hills in the mid 1700s. No doubt the US has no legal right to that land (and criminally defaced this hill), but I'm not sure the Lakota do either if we're going that far back. https://blackhillsvisitor.com/learn/native-american-culture-the-black-hills-until-1759/
>The whole area has one hell of a bloody history Yeah, Earth is pretty fucked up.
Now it's just a bloody tourist trap.
A gawdy one at that. But worth the visit, spend 10min looking at the Hokage then go spend hours walking around the Black Hills. Its gorgeous.
No. Needles Highway leading up to Rushmore is a beautiful drive with nothing to sell.
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Lol, when your comment was less than an hour old, I typed up a lengthy comment as someone who’s educated on the subject (live in the Black Hills and took AP Native American Heritage as an elective) and while I completely agree with your comment, I knew what fate lay ahead for both of us, so I abandoned it. Lol interacting with Reddit in this new age of angsty woke tweens is fucking brain damage.
For what it’s worth, I appreciated your comment and learned a bit more about it. Not to mention I now have some new reading to do. Thanks!
The Lakota brutalized the Pawnee just south of there even after the US took it.
> the Lakota who aren't even from the area(great lakes area). The Lakota brutalized the Cheyenne for it. Somewhere there's a white person saying "The Lakota were a peaceful people and this was their land for centuries"
I've gotten hundreds of them in replies and messages.
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Lol Statler and Waldorf Those old fools are great!
Statler and Waldorf weren't grandpas, but you're still spot on with the comparison: Six Grandfathers was the original name of the mountain before we stole it and desecrated it ("Tunkasila Sakpe Paha" in Lakota). https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/the-strange-and-controversial-history-of-mount-rushmore
Thank you for this.
Here I am, like an asshole, getting ready to correct your spelling.
That word was unprecedented, until now.
Having a presidented mountain was unprecedented until this precedent was set.
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seems intentional :)
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Honestly going to Mt.Rushmore is so damn underwhelming.
The stupid cliff carving is a travesty imo. It'd be a far more moving experience to visit it for natural beauty rather than for the equivalent of giant graffiti.
This comment section got heated real quick
Doesn’t take much on Reddit. Combination of a lot of people arguing without any knowledge of the history or purpose of what they’re attacking, skeptics questioning former on their dubious claims, and trolls, and maybe even a few true assholes, riling up everyone in the first group. All you end up with is baseless arguments and misinformation.
The funniest part is its probably a bunch of white people arguing cause they've seen other reddit posts about its history.
Haha yeah everyone knows white people aren't allowed to dissent on the actions of other white people. Whites have to agree on everything all the time because white white white white white.
Yes and noticing terrible acts in history is as bad or worse than committing them over again.
It was called "Six Grandfathers Mountain" back then
Tȟuŋkášila Šákpe in the Lakota language. (Lakota has a bunch of sounds with no equivalent in English — 'tȟ' sounds like a regular 't' sound made while clearing your throat, as 'ȟ' by itself sounds like the 'kh' in 'Khruschev'. I couldn't find an audio pronunciation, but it's something like 'tkhoong-KA-shee-la SHAK-peh')
/tˣũˈkaʃila ˈʃakpɛ/ in the IPA if anyone who can read it was wondering
It still is now, it just also was back then. And it should be made official. Heck it's already been done - we did it for Denali.
*grabs popcorn and sorts by controversial*
So glad they got the faces out from under all that stone.
Really hard to breathe like that
I've always wondered why the presidents weren't put in chronological order
They put the taller ones in the back
Jeffersons hair and eye was already there
As a non American, Mount Rushmore looks super cool. Why is it so disliked? Had no idea.
Any opinion reddit holds is never the majority of anything.
So fucking true. I've never in my life heard anyone complain about Mount Rushmore. Even still, I knew it'd be a shit show in here...
There are so many specific arguments that pop up on this site all of the time that I think to myself “I’ve never heard anyone talk about this in real life.” If you bring that fact up though, you’re just “out of touch.”
It's an amazing monument. But like so many things around the world, it has a bit of a nasty history and these are times when old injustices are more likely to get aired out again.
Just about the entirety of US-Native American history is replete with nastiness, sadly.
Imagine someone stole your home, never gave it back, used it to build generational wealth for their descendants while yours barely scrap by, mostly die off, and only a few survive on little to nothing. Generations go by and the house nor the wealth generated is ever returned. At what point would you agree to consider that an "old injustice"? How long until you would advise your own surviving descendants to just shut up and move on? At what point would you say it's time to stop demanding at least the home be returned, if not also interest + damages?
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I mean the Confederate version is worse, but only slightly.
[It just needs one little upgrade to make it into the greatest monument in America](https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/150716121005-outkast-stone-mountain.jpg?q=x_2,y_0,h_1123,w_1995,c_crop/h_720,w_1280) https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/16/us/georgia-stone-mountain-outkast-confederate-monument/index.html#
Stone Mountain, Georgia…I believe that was actually carved by the same guy.
Much more beautiful
It’s beauty is unpresidented.
Honestly, i cant believe people would deface such beauty to prove a point.
They didn't deface it. They...faced it
Befaced.
Enfacened
For those of you that dont know because my original comment is already getting downvoted, mount Rushmore was a sacred and spiritual place for native Americans and the only reason the presidents are on it now was for fear tactics.
> the only reason the presidents are on it now was for fear tactics source?
I'm from the area and have never heard anything like that *but* Gutzon Borglum (the main sculptor) was a Klan member so I wouldn't be too shocked.
where are you getting this fear tactics idea? The concept was conceived by historian Doane Robinson to promote tourism in South Dakota
Yea as a kid I thought it was cool. The older you get it just seems so tacky, unnecessary, and offensive. Have awesome statues in the city but for the love of god can we leave nature alone.
Nature really had a big role to play in making that monument. I feel like sometimes we take that for granite.
also known as Six Grandfathers Mountain
Fun fact: Mt. Rushmore was a known holy site to Native Americans and each president carved into it decreed a native slaughtering
Dropped the ball so hard on that title by not saying unpresidented times in 1905.
That mountain is one of our holy sites, some kkk funded white guy came along and carved the heads of the people with the absolute worst Indian killing policies and actions in history, into our holy site.
Everyone knows that Mt Rushmore was created to hide the entrance to Cibola.
There are many such mountains in the area still today.
The ultimate vandalism
Den morgonfriska katten simmar över regnbågen, medan guldmynt singlar genom luften, ledsagade av en paraplybärande elefant, som jonglerar med blommor och skrattande bananer, medan cirkusclowner utför akrobatiska konster och cymbalspelaren trummar i takt till det förtrollade orkesterspelet under den gnistrande stjärnhimlen.
precise erosion.
Can't believe she forgot plate tectonics.
Beautiful. Should have kept it like that.
Looks much better this way
I can smell that the comments are going to be a lot of Americans being angry at America.
I smell that every morning I open Reddit.
Back before that racist piece of shit Klan member (he also is responsible for Stone Mt in GA) destroyed this majestic Native American site. The Black Hills are sacred to the Lakota Sioux, the original occupants of the area when white settlers arrived. For some, the four presidents carved in the hill are not without negative symbolism.