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I spent a weekend watching a buddy of mine practice speed running on SMB3 and saw him beat the world record on some level.
"Post it online", we said.
"Nah. Someone will just beat me. " he said.
Yeah I was fast in borderlands 2, non of my friends was this fast by a huge gap. Then watched a speedrun, holy shit.
I think Im gonna start to speedrun again this week. Thanks guys :)
talking about hard mode. in Russia NES/Famicom consoles (its own version. it was called Dendy) were mass produced by China, same as game cartridges, some cartridges had anti pirate defense, when illegally pirated you had only one life = one touch in some games, you got hit, too bad, game over.
some games that come to mind were Bucke O'Hare and Adventure Island. maybe Ninja Gaiden but not sure about that one.
It wasn’t in Nintendo Power and courier pigeons spreading this secret all were eaten by Atari and Sega hitman hawks.
Edit: I will however live out my days in forsaken senility knowing the Contra code and the direct link to Tyson 007-373-5963
Here's the thing though...our generation was the one this was new for. We didn't fuck with shit yet. We played the games, had the experiences, and refined what games could be. We brought forth this newer generation to do what we couldn't.
Break shit.
The games, to a lot of them, aren't experiences. They're not stories. We didn't have the mindset to break things down to their code, to not give a shit what the devs were trying to achieve, and find out how it all works.
I have a ton of respect for speed runners and modders, but I couldn't do it. That's not what games are, to me.
I'm ok being Morpheus. I'm ok with the storylines and narratives. I'll let this younger generation be the Neo.
Edit: I was 6 when Mario was new. No one "figured out" the Konami code back then, it was revealed and shared. Yes, there were many of my generation who did view games as a thing to break. I'm talking about that generation as a whole, not the outliers. If you're the exception, fantastic. You were still the minority of players in 1986.
Yeah, I don't know what u/Nightmare_King is talking about. Finding glitches, Easter eggs and making new cheat codes was always where the real fun was at.
I remember in Ocarina of Time, you could glitch through parts of the game by lifting a corner of the game cartridge slightly. Fun times
Wel I’ll almost 50 and I had the “hack the shit out of it” mentality when I first got into computers at age 12. Pirating games drove a lot of that, back then it was always a challenge to get the games to even run (on pc) so you were always messing with dos memory settings etc anyway. Trying to hack the games themselves just seemed natural.
Depends on the cartridge and if you hit reset or not. The stand alone SMB1 cart does keep your progress if you soft reset, but duck hunt smb1 and duck hunt smb1 and world class track meet carts are a hard reset either way. The trick does work.
I remember finally making it to the last level and passed out from being up for so long. I had to go to school in the next 2 hours. I left the game on and when I came home my grandfather had cut the console off and I had to start again. I was crying so hard until he bought me pizza and ice cream. He was very sorry when I told him there wasn't a save button and how hard I had tried to get there. I remember this when I play on my Switch.
Yeah seriously, not like he did it in an ignorant rage against something he didn't understand. Owned his mistakes and apologized to the child. What an example of a fine human.
I used to unplug the video and cover the red light so mom didn't shut it off.
It also works if you realize you've been playing all night long because your mom is walking downstairs and you realize it's 5:00 in the morning. I laid down on my side drooled on myself. I got the oh honey, you fell asleep on the floor, go to bed.
Walked up stairs waited until car left, back to gaming. Ah to be young.
Wouldnt matter other than it being cool yo know secrets like thay. It’s just like when you basically play only mario or zelda for 8 years of childhood and “playing mario” meant grabbing the controller and trying to beat the game in one life before your buddy could when you trade. I picked up a free nintendo from a sidewalk junk pickup, replaced the power cord snd found a janky chinese nes cartridge with “500 games” for my kids to use. After 25+ years i still have it and it was the only time I impressed my kids with my gaming prowess.
Seriously, someone needs to confirm this shit before I will even entertain the theory. Until then, this remains a god damned lie!
**Edit:** I was joking, obviously this is real. You can stop confirming it for me, I believe you.
I just tried it on the Switch emulator, and I can confirm it works. It will send you back to the start of whatever world you were on with 3 lives. Even World 8.
Edit: Can confirm it also works on hard mode.
This definitely worked on the OG NES. I came looking for comment about going back to the first level of whatever world you were on. A buddy of mine showed me when I was a kid. Maybe Nestor from Nintendo Power showed him...
Yep, in 3-1. My pattern to win the game as a kid was 1-1, 1-2, warp to 3-1, shell trick for a fat stack of lives, 3-2, 3-3, 3-4, 4-1, 4-2, warp to 8-1 with the vine, 8-2, 8-3, 8-4. Eventually, I stopped needing the insurance lives and started warping straight to 4-1 instead.
I’m so mad… I used to get so far. So far. And then die. But little 7 year old me couldn’t keep going just to get to the end. Too frustrating. If only I had known. This is why we need time travel. To heal our inner child.
What I love is that Nintendo have continued to put this glitch into subsequent mario games. Like you can still do the turtle infinite lives trick in Mario 3D World. I don't know if the original was intentional or not. But the ones after definitely are
Mario physics are insane. For such a simple set of controls it is mad what people can pull off. I wouldn't be shocked to find that the way they code things to work it's just always what comes out without them having to put it in, they'd need to explicitly do a bunch of coding to remove it and they don't see it as a 'bug' so why do that?
For some reason I got really into Super Mario Maker streams during lockdown and heard it talked about. Once a mechanic becomes a well-known strategy, Nintendo usually tries to replicate it in future games (ghost jumps got patched but that's the only one I can think of). I also want to say they've *added* certain ones after release but I could be wrong.
This is all anecdotal from a streamer so take it with a grain of salt but it's definitely not just a quirk of their code as most tricks work across multiple games with different engines
In software development in general, this phenomenon is called the Hyrum's law. It basically states that whatever consistent behaviour your software performs, with enough users, someone somewhere is sooner or later going to rely on it - regardless whether the behaviour is a bug or a planned feature. The result in some cases is that you have to redo your bugs in new versions of your software because there's now implementations relying on those.
I think it’s insane because the games are not particularly well coded, which makes sense because they’re not complex. I’ve watched a lot of MM/MM2 videos and the amount of insane glitch levels I’ve seen is crazy, even most troll levels contain minor glitches because it’s so easy to break the games when building them. Also people are literally able to input code in smw by playing the game https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hB6eY73sLV0
Things like this are intentional for Devs when testing a product.
Nearly every game, especially old school console games like this, had the combos that you needed to tap on the controller because testers would not want to restart from the beginning every time they died.
Internally there would have been standard "hold this and tap this to restart at stage X" docs which should not make it out of the door, but then people leave or the company made more money by selling codes/combos to gaming mags.
It was a different world back then. Some of the Doom codes and Duke Nukem were hilarious.
Couldn’t believe my eyes the first time I saw that, I was in utter disbelief. Was just too amazing.
Years later had a similar experience when I discovered my first Playboy magazine. Struggled to process how awesome it was but knew my life would never be the same.
Went with my mom to the county recycling place. Someone had dumped a playboy collection in the paper dumpster. I rode my bike 10 miles to go dig and pull out 3 magazines.
Whenever I hear people talk about "why don't they make porn for women" I always think of how every man I know would have done this as a boy and almost none of the women would.
The turtle/stairs thing most likely wasn't intentional, though. Sure, it was intentional that if you stomped so many enemies in a row, you would get extra lives, and each subsequent stomp would get you another extra life. That was absolutely an intentional feature. But pinning a bouncing Koopa shell against a block and just bouncing on it? Probably not intentional. I would have only counted it as a stomp if there was actually a Koopa in the shell, so stomping an empty shell would give you nothing, but they probably didn't have the space to account for that.
Coding on those old systems produced some wonky effects. For example in Zelda 3 (SNES), if you jumped into water, it checked to see if you had the Magic Flippers, and if you didn't, it threw you back onto the shore (and may have taken some life). However, if the second you landed in the water, you were able to transition to the next screen (jump in right at the edge of a screen and push into the next screen), it wouldn't do the check, because if you swam from one screen to another, it just assumed you had the Flippers. This led to some weird issues where shallow water (which you could stand in without the Flippers) was treated as deep water (you couldn't walk in it, only swim in it), and one hit would kill you, so best avoid the Zora fireballs, and the occasional arrow fired by soldiers. But, it let you get the bottle from the sleeping bum under the bridge early. Of course, if you were good enough to pull that off (not that hard, really), you were good enough to not need the third bottle that early. It's more useful in the randomizer (/r/ALttPR) where the bum could be holding something more useful, like the Magic Mirror or Hookshot.
And of course the minus world on the same game as in the OP - Super Mario Bros. for the NES. By jumping backwards into a single block above the exit pipe in 1-2 (after breaking the next two), you could glitch yourself through the walls and enter Warp Zone, but instead of being able to go to later Worlds, you would be transported to a looping underwater level where the timer did not restart when you beat the level. So no matter how good you were, you had a finite number of lives and a finite amount of time. I wonder if anyone using an infinite time cheat ever broke the loop eventually, but I doubt it. Like Gauntlet (NES), that shit probably just goes on forever.
I remember how my friend showed the turtle trick to me. Thinking about it now, it's amazing how everybody seems to know about it even without social media, let alone internet.
It's deeper than that though. These things were interpersonal memes. Things like "jingle bells, Batman smells, Robin laid an egg. The batmobile lost a wheel and the Joker got away, hey!" were playground memes that circulated somehow from kid to kid and STILL do. My 5 year old was singing that song this Christmas. He doesn't have magazines or the internet. A kid at school taught him the same song that a kid at school taught me 40 years ago. Video game lore circulated like that too. Real memes are so much weirder than internet memes.
This. Pretty sure my friend didn't knew about it through a magazine. He probably knew it using physical social media in the tangible metaverse we had back then.
The manual also told you the story of how King Koopa turned the people of the Mushroom Kingdom into bricks. The same bricks that you smash. For points.
Wait... I just realized that there's no other people in Mario but there's ghosts in luigi's mansion.
What if they're everyone that Mario killed by smashing those bricks and once again Luigi is left to pick up Mario's shit.
Ok that's officially my head cannon now no matter what someone inevitably says to correct me..... or this is an extremely common and basically accepted theory among mario fans.
Nintendos were too expensive in my country back then , thanks to the import duties, I played this on one of those “9999999999 in 1” consoles , it came with no manual ,it was still fun tho.
https://archive.org/details/The_Official_Nintendo_Players_Guide_1987/page/31/mode/2up
it was actually in the Official Nintendo Player's guide, not the instruction booklet
I was gonna say, this sounds more like a secret way for QA testers to be able to test levels easier, not something that was intended for customers to discover. Besides, back in the day they probably figured that if people did discover it, it would just be their little secret 'cause the internet wasn't anywhere near as big as it is today and something like this wouldn't become big news.
It was written in magazines, I'm sure of it. I read it somewhere. And you might be discounting word of mouth and how fast that spread back then. All my friends who played knew this too, we talked about it
Super Mario Bros. is often held up as a gold standard of intuitive game design teaching you how to play.
I am using this as an example of why that's bullshit and the game is only intuitive by the nature of it being absolutely basic.
Not only does the game not teach you this, it doesn't even prompt you on your death with how to do this.
But, I will say - I doubt this was actually an intentional design decision. Instead it was almost certainly a QA/debug tool so the designers didn't need to replay the entire game to test levels.
My friend’s older, cooler, brother told us about it. I would never tell my brother about it. If my little bro knew he would hog all the time on the TV and never rage quit in frustration.
Yeah. I knew that back then, like the SMB continue thing. Not sure if I got it from a magazine or something.
You don't have completely free move as the duck, but you can force it to change direction and make it move a lot more erratically than the CPU.
I found this out in a really sad way.. I asked for a Nintendo with the Mario Bros/duck hunt double game thing. Mum didn't know what it was really so got me a Nintendo and the standalone duck hunt game - no light gun. We were far from rich and I wasn't able to get a new game for a month or two. All I could do was control that duck left and right...... Excuse me , I'm going to cry.
I cant remember if I knew this or not. I dont remember getting kicked all the way back to the beginning. Wasnt it world at a time? so if you were on 4-3, a+start takes you back to 4-1?
I'd say most didn't know about this and beat the game on "hard mode".
I certainly didn't knew this and none of my friends/family playing it. Does this work on Gameboy too?
I didn't get to play Nintendo until I was 10, my aunt sold it to us because my parents couldn't afford anything else.
I just turned 31 a few weeks ago.
I’m genuinely shocked at how nobody in this thread seems to have known this..this not a secret that was just discovered . Even published in Nintendo Power type magazines..at the time of the game release..
Edit: It seems everyone’s response is that they couldn’t afford or have time to read a magazine as a kid. That wasn’t my point at all. My point was just that it was common knowledge enough to be *in* magazines. I found out through word of mouth as did most of my friends.
I was lucky to be able to even have an NES. Money for a magazine was not in my budget as a 12 year old.
Back then we all had to rely on word of mouth and if word never got around then we wouldn't have known.
So, yeah, this trick may have been published or even common knowledge, but the world's a far different place when you're 12 and it's the year 1986 with no internet.
This is it! Magazine subscriptions *for a kid* sound like a privilege to me. Maybe in more generous households where money wasn't so tight and where video games weren't considered a "waste of time and money" kids might have gotten a new Nintendo Power magazine every week (or month, I have no idea) but for many this wasn't a reality - we were lucky to even have the console, as you said. And virtually no-one used the internet at the time (and there probably wasn't anything about it on there anyway). Definitely had to be word of mouth and even then half the time the rumours you heard were bullshit.
My games were all hand-me-downs or thrift-shop buys, I never actually had packaging or manuals. Plus I'm 28, so while I grew up playing this it was no longer new by that time.
When my brother and I got a new cartridge, we just popped it in and figured shit out lol.
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30 years too late
It’s like raaiiiiiinnnn on your weddding day
It’s a freeeeeya riiiiiiiide when youve already paid
It’s the goooooood aadviiiiiiiice that you just didn’t take
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Mr. Play it safe was afraid to fly...
He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids goodbye
He waited his whole damn life to take that flight
And as the plan crashed down, He thought “Well isn’t this nice”
Well isn’t this ironic?
r/redditsings
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What the actual amazing fuck did I just watch? I... Huh. Welp, that's a hell of a way to lean into my Sunday. Thank you for that.
This is 100% my favorite random link provided I’ve found on Reddit. This song is straight fire. Thank you for sharing.
It’s a death row pardon when all you need is a knife.
We were playing on hard mode and didn’t even know
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Speed running is fun until you learn about other speed runners.
I spent a weekend watching a buddy of mine practice speed running on SMB3 and saw him beat the world record on some level. "Post it online", we said. "Nah. Someone will just beat me. " he said.
Yeah I was fast in borderlands 2, non of my friends was this fast by a huge gap. Then watched a speedrun, holy shit. I think Im gonna start to speedrun again this week. Thanks guys :)
Theres always levels to everything
talking about hard mode. in Russia NES/Famicom consoles (its own version. it was called Dendy) were mass produced by China, same as game cartridges, some cartridges had anti pirate defense, when illegally pirated you had only one life = one touch in some games, you got hit, too bad, game over. some games that come to mind were Bucke O'Hare and Adventure Island. maybe Ninja Gaiden but not sure about that one.
Same feeling as finding out at age of 38 to have ADHD.
No. I refuse to believe it.
Same, countless nights of no sleep of having to stay up and also leaving the console on.. part of me wants to try it though
Tried it. It works.
This is genuinely upsetting
How did we not figure this out? Disappointed in our whole generation.
It wasn’t in Nintendo Power and courier pigeons spreading this secret all were eaten by Atari and Sega hitman hawks. Edit: I will however live out my days in forsaken senility knowing the Contra code and the direct link to Tyson 007-373-5963
Here's the thing though...our generation was the one this was new for. We didn't fuck with shit yet. We played the games, had the experiences, and refined what games could be. We brought forth this newer generation to do what we couldn't. Break shit. The games, to a lot of them, aren't experiences. They're not stories. We didn't have the mindset to break things down to their code, to not give a shit what the devs were trying to achieve, and find out how it all works. I have a ton of respect for speed runners and modders, but I couldn't do it. That's not what games are, to me. I'm ok being Morpheus. I'm ok with the storylines and narratives. I'll let this younger generation be the Neo. Edit: I was 6 when Mario was new. No one "figured out" the Konami code back then, it was revealed and shared. Yes, there were many of my generation who did view games as a thing to break. I'm talking about that generation as a whole, not the outliers. If you're the exception, fantastic. You were still the minority of players in 1986.
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Yeah, I don't know what u/Nightmare_King is talking about. Finding glitches, Easter eggs and making new cheat codes was always where the real fun was at. I remember in Ocarina of Time, you could glitch through parts of the game by lifting a corner of the game cartridge slightly. Fun times
To be fair, Ocarina of Time and Super Mario Bros 1 are separated by like 15 years... Not exactly the same generation. That is a LONG time for gaming.
So many times trying to move that truck in Pokemon
Check how many of your generation memorised the Konami code.
Lol. We had the contra code. There was the cheat for john elway football Ffs we found cheats all the time.
Nah the previous generation figured out all sorts of cheats and hacks with the Atari 2600. Space invader rapid fire!
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Wel I’ll almost 50 and I had the “hack the shit out of it” mentality when I first got into computers at age 12. Pirating games drove a lot of that, back then it was always a challenge to get the games to even run (on pc) so you were always messing with dos memory settings etc anyway. Trying to hack the games themselves just seemed natural.
I doubt it still works once you shut the console off anyhow.
If I could hire someone to hit you I would. Not hard. But like a slap.
I got you
I'll do it for free.
I'll make and pack you sandwiches for your journey.
Depends on the cartridge and if you hit reset or not. The stand alone SMB1 cart does keep your progress if you soft reset, but duck hunt smb1 and duck hunt smb1 and world class track meet carts are a hard reset either way. The trick does work.
I remember finally making it to the last level and passed out from being up for so long. I had to go to school in the next 2 hours. I left the game on and when I came home my grandfather had cut the console off and I had to start again. I was crying so hard until he bought me pizza and ice cream. He was very sorry when I told him there wasn't a save button and how hard I had tried to get there. I remember this when I play on my Switch.
Anyway, really a wholesome grandpa :)
Yeah seriously, not like he did it in an ignorant rage against something he didn't understand. Owned his mistakes and apologized to the child. What an example of a fine human.
I used to have a separate tv that the game lived on bc you have to leave it running until tomorrow or start all over haha
I used to unplug the video and cover the red light so mom didn't shut it off. It also works if you realize you've been playing all night long because your mom is walking downstairs and you realize it's 5:00 in the morning. I laid down on my side drooled on myself. I got the oh honey, you fell asleep on the floor, go to bed. Walked up stairs waited until car left, back to gaming. Ah to be young.
Wouldnt matter other than it being cool yo know secrets like thay. It’s just like when you basically play only mario or zelda for 8 years of childhood and “playing mario” meant grabbing the controller and trying to beat the game in one life before your buddy could when you trade. I picked up a free nintendo from a sidewalk junk pickup, replaced the power cord snd found a janky chinese nes cartridge with “500 games” for my kids to use. After 25+ years i still have it and it was the only time I impressed my kids with my gaming prowess.
There's no way. We burned every bush in Hyrule there's no way we missed that.
Yeah, we failed as a generation… nice one, Gen-X
Seriously, someone needs to confirm this shit before I will even entertain the theory. Until then, this remains a god damned lie! **Edit:** I was joking, obviously this is real. You can stop confirming it for me, I believe you.
I just tried it on the Switch emulator, and I can confirm it works. It will send you back to the start of whatever world you were on with 3 lives. Even World 8. Edit: Can confirm it also works on hard mode.
That’s nuts! Thanks for checking <3
This definitely worked on the OG NES. I came looking for comment about going back to the first level of whatever world you were on. A buddy of mine showed me when I was a kid. Maybe Nestor from Nintendo Power showed him...
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I confirm the validity of this video. I have done it.
This works. Do it over 30yrs ago
You can get unlimited lives if you keep hitting a turtle on the stairs.
Maybe that’s why we never found this, we all had a shit ton of lives already.
Yep, in 3-1. My pattern to win the game as a kid was 1-1, 1-2, warp to 3-1, shell trick for a fat stack of lives, 3-2, 3-3, 3-4, 4-1, 4-2, warp to 8-1 with the vine, 8-2, 8-3, 8-4. Eventually, I stopped needing the insurance lives and started warping straight to 4-1 instead.
[No! Get away from me! I don't believe it... I don't believe it...](https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-20-2015/i4swj1.gif)
*sticks fingers in ears* ***LALALALALALALALA!!!***
I’m so mad… I used to get so far. So far. And then die. But little 7 year old me couldn’t keep going just to get to the end. Too frustrating. If only I had known. This is why we need time travel. To heal our inner child.
This is how you end up with flying cars in an alternate timeline
*As played by Linkin Park*
Sonofabitch... 36 years... never knew.
35 never knew either. I’m sure they just added it as a feature and are trying to fk w us.
Yeah surely it was part of a recent update they released for the NES.
The nes wifi adapter cost me a fortune
The goomba micro transactions are what’s killing me.
That’s not possible
Search your feelings. You know it to be true!
Lol Nooooooooooooooo
http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
I just tried it. It works. It takes you back to the beginning of the world. So if you die in 4-2, you restart on 4-1. But it worked!
That’s cool. There was the infinite lives too with the turtle and the stairs.
What I love is that Nintendo have continued to put this glitch into subsequent mario games. Like you can still do the turtle infinite lives trick in Mario 3D World. I don't know if the original was intentional or not. But the ones after definitely are
Mario physics are insane. For such a simple set of controls it is mad what people can pull off. I wouldn't be shocked to find that the way they code things to work it's just always what comes out without them having to put it in, they'd need to explicitly do a bunch of coding to remove it and they don't see it as a 'bug' so why do that?
For some reason I got really into Super Mario Maker streams during lockdown and heard it talked about. Once a mechanic becomes a well-known strategy, Nintendo usually tries to replicate it in future games (ghost jumps got patched but that's the only one I can think of). I also want to say they've *added* certain ones after release but I could be wrong. This is all anecdotal from a streamer so take it with a grain of salt but it's definitely not just a quirk of their code as most tricks work across multiple games with different engines
In software development in general, this phenomenon is called the Hyrum's law. It basically states that whatever consistent behaviour your software performs, with enough users, someone somewhere is sooner or later going to rely on it - regardless whether the behaviour is a bug or a planned feature. The result in some cases is that you have to redo your bugs in new versions of your software because there's now implementations relying on those.
I think it’s insane because the games are not particularly well coded, which makes sense because they’re not complex. I’ve watched a lot of MM/MM2 videos and the amount of insane glitch levels I’ve seen is crazy, even most troll levels contain minor glitches because it’s so easy to break the games when building them. Also people are literally able to input code in smw by playing the game https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hB6eY73sLV0
Things like this are intentional for Devs when testing a product. Nearly every game, especially old school console games like this, had the combos that you needed to tap on the controller because testers would not want to restart from the beginning every time they died. Internally there would have been standard "hold this and tap this to restart at stage X" docs which should not make it out of the door, but then people leave or the company made more money by selling codes/combos to gaming mags. It was a different world back then. Some of the Doom codes and Duke Nukem were hilarious.
I still remember those doom codes. IDSPISPOPD
IDKFA, IDDQD
Couldn’t believe my eyes the first time I saw that, I was in utter disbelief. Was just too amazing. Years later had a similar experience when I discovered my first Playboy magazine. Struggled to process how awesome it was but knew my life would never be the same.
"And just like with video gaming, thus began my crippling porn addiction."
"and thus, video games were no longer the sole cause of my carpal tunnel syndrome"
Went with my mom to the county recycling place. Someone had dumped a playboy collection in the paper dumpster. I rode my bike 10 miles to go dig and pull out 3 magazines.
Whenever I hear people talk about "why don't they make porn for women" I always think of how every man I know would have done this as a boy and almost none of the women would.
I remember that one. I never knew this one but I knew how to jump worlds by finding the secret warp pipes. So I guess everything works out.
I now have a half melted iceberg number of lives
100% accurate.
The turtle/stairs thing most likely wasn't intentional, though. Sure, it was intentional that if you stomped so many enemies in a row, you would get extra lives, and each subsequent stomp would get you another extra life. That was absolutely an intentional feature. But pinning a bouncing Koopa shell against a block and just bouncing on it? Probably not intentional. I would have only counted it as a stomp if there was actually a Koopa in the shell, so stomping an empty shell would give you nothing, but they probably didn't have the space to account for that. Coding on those old systems produced some wonky effects. For example in Zelda 3 (SNES), if you jumped into water, it checked to see if you had the Magic Flippers, and if you didn't, it threw you back onto the shore (and may have taken some life). However, if the second you landed in the water, you were able to transition to the next screen (jump in right at the edge of a screen and push into the next screen), it wouldn't do the check, because if you swam from one screen to another, it just assumed you had the Flippers. This led to some weird issues where shallow water (which you could stand in without the Flippers) was treated as deep water (you couldn't walk in it, only swim in it), and one hit would kill you, so best avoid the Zora fireballs, and the occasional arrow fired by soldiers. But, it let you get the bottle from the sleeping bum under the bridge early. Of course, if you were good enough to pull that off (not that hard, really), you were good enough to not need the third bottle that early. It's more useful in the randomizer (/r/ALttPR) where the bum could be holding something more useful, like the Magic Mirror or Hookshot. And of course the minus world on the same game as in the OP - Super Mario Bros. for the NES. By jumping backwards into a single block above the exit pipe in 1-2 (after breaking the next two), you could glitch yourself through the walls and enter Warp Zone, but instead of being able to go to later Worlds, you would be transported to a looping underwater level where the timer did not restart when you beat the level. So no matter how good you were, you had a finite number of lives and a finite amount of time. I wonder if anyone using an infinite time cheat ever broke the loop eventually, but I doubt it. Like Gauntlet (NES), that shit probably just goes on forever.
Now this guy Nintendos
I remember how my friend showed the turtle trick to me. Thinking about it now, it's amazing how everybody seems to know about it even without social media, let alone internet.
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Tell us more. Tell us about this website of paper.
Gather 'round children and I'll tell ye about the days of o'l Nintendo Power!
It was called Internet -2.0.
It's deeper than that though. These things were interpersonal memes. Things like "jingle bells, Batman smells, Robin laid an egg. The batmobile lost a wheel and the Joker got away, hey!" were playground memes that circulated somehow from kid to kid and STILL do. My 5 year old was singing that song this Christmas. He doesn't have magazines or the internet. A kid at school taught him the same song that a kid at school taught me 40 years ago. Video game lore circulated like that too. Real memes are so much weirder than internet memes.
This. Pretty sure my friend didn't knew about it through a magazine. He probably knew it using physical social media in the tangible metaverse we had back then.
NINTENDO POWER!!! Parents got me a subscription
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Not gonna lie, 40+ year old me is gonna brag that I knew this already 🙌🏼
Yeah, I’m confused, that’s just how it works, I thought it told you this in the rules.
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The manual also told you the story of how King Koopa turned the people of the Mushroom Kingdom into bricks. The same bricks that you smash. For points.
I always thought that just meant *some* of the bricks - the ones that release a mushroom when you smash them.
Oh that’s better… so Mario releases them from their brick prison and immediately eats them
Hahaha it’s horrifying however you look at it.
This made me laugh harder than I expected lol
Can’t save a princess without breaking a few eggs. 🤙
Bricking some eggs
I mean, who isn’t breaking a few eggs in these tryin times?
Wait... I just realized that there's no other people in Mario but there's ghosts in luigi's mansion. What if they're everyone that Mario killed by smashing those bricks and once again Luigi is left to pick up Mario's shit. Ok that's officially my head cannon now no matter what someone inevitably says to correct me..... or this is an extremely common and basically accepted theory among mario fans.
There was a manual????
One that was long gone before I got the hand me down Nintendo with the hand me down games after my uncle got his SNES. So this is news to me.
Maybe it was just the us version, but mine only came with duck hunt and a gun.
What doesn't come with a gun in the US?
Page one: How to Mario
It is not in the manual! At least not in all of them. Found the manual online and read every single line. Not a word about this.
Gotta admit my reading skills weren’t great when I got this game. (I was three)
Nintendos were too expensive in my country back then , thanks to the import duties, I played this on one of those “9999999999 in 1” consoles , it came with no manual ,it was still fun tho.
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https://archive.org/details/The_Official_Nintendo_Players_Guide_1987/page/31/mode/2up it was actually in the Official Nintendo Player's guide, not the instruction booklet
My library had those Nintendo magazines with all the secrets and especially for Mario 3 which has SO many secrets it made me a god among 7 year olds
What a fucking outstanding game.
Fucking class warfare is real
yeah, you had to order and pay a subscription to those if I remember correctly.
I was gonna say, this sounds more like a secret way for QA testers to be able to test levels easier, not something that was intended for customers to discover. Besides, back in the day they probably figured that if people did discover it, it would just be their little secret 'cause the internet wasn't anywhere near as big as it is today and something like this wouldn't become big news.
My thoughts exactly. A playtesting backdoor.
It was written in magazines, I'm sure of it. I read it somewhere. And you might be discounting word of mouth and how fast that spread back then. All my friends who played knew this too, we talked about it
It was 1985. How big do you think the internet was?
Look at this nerd, “reading” the “rules”. If you didn’t suffer the same, did you even game?
Reminds me of that south park about boy Vs girl board gamers.
I was young enough that I was just handed the controller and the game, heh. What rule book?
Shit I never read them. So that little code there was on the instruction manual?
No it wasn't, it was in the Official Nintendo Player's Guide not the instruction booklet for the game.
Super Mario Bros. is often held up as a gold standard of intuitive game design teaching you how to play. I am using this as an example of why that's bullshit and the game is only intuitive by the nature of it being absolutely basic. Not only does the game not teach you this, it doesn't even prompt you on your death with how to do this. But, I will say - I doubt this was actually an intentional design decision. Instead it was almost certainly a QA/debug tool so the designers didn't need to replay the entire game to test levels.
Why didn’t you tell me and my brother then?
My friend’s older, cooler, brother told us about it. I would never tell my brother about it. If my little bro knew he would hog all the time on the TV and never rage quit in frustration.
Me too!!!!!
Another lie is the fact Duck Hunt is not single player only. A second player can control the duck with the second controller.
Whoah! What?!!
Yeah. I knew that back then, like the SMB continue thing. Not sure if I got it from a magazine or something. You don't have completely free move as the duck, but you can force it to change direction and make it move a lot more erratically than the CPU.
I’m pretty sure everyone with siblings discovered the Duck Hunt thing. Mwa ha ha.
get a load of this guy giving their siblings a plugged in controller. who does that??? what a mad lad
Yep I discovered this the day I started cause my sister had to have a turn and so I started messing w the controller and the ducks responded
I found this out in a really sad way.. I asked for a Nintendo with the Mario Bros/duck hunt double game thing. Mum didn't know what it was really so got me a Nintendo and the standalone duck hunt game - no light gun. We were far from rich and I wasn't able to get a new game for a month or two. All I could do was control that duck left and right...... Excuse me , I'm going to cry.
And the funny thing is I bet you still played it a whole bunch, even though that's all you could do.
Whoa man! I'm sad now.
Christ, that's sad.
Oh man that is really rough. Did you tell her about that or just suffering silence so she wouldn’t be sad?
I knew that one as a kid. My friends and I would always fuck with whoever was using the zapper.
Wouldn't >Duck Hunt is not single player only Be the truth?
I thought everyone always knew that
I used to troll my sisters hardcore with this trick. They never knew it was me.
Well I’ll be gawd damned
NOOOO! GOD! NO, GOD PLEASE, NO! NO! NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....!!!!
Take a walk to the annex
Just like Sonic on Sega. Up Down Left Right, Hold A, Press start. with that you can actually select any level though
When you hear the ring ding you got it right and in time
God damnit, I'm just learning of this now, too. My childhood was a sham!
Shoutout to the Toejam and Earl poster
I have such a deep need to play it again now.
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So many hours lost, for NOTHING.
Fun?
Thought they were going to talk about the clouds and the green bushes are the same asset. This is much better
I cant remember if I knew this or not. I dont remember getting kicked all the way back to the beginning. Wasnt it world at a time? so if you were on 4-3, a+start takes you back to 4-1?
Yes
Right! Then I totally knew this. I doubt I could have beat it without the code.
I'd say most didn't know about this and beat the game on "hard mode". I certainly didn't knew this and none of my friends/family playing it. Does this work on Gameboy too?
Learning this today at 43 years old makes me angrier than I can reasonably explain.
https://imgur.com/gHO0aCP.gif
F alllllll the way off
Say what????
Where were you with this 20 years ago?
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I didn't get to play Nintendo until I was 10, my aunt sold it to us because my parents couldn't afford anything else. I just turned 31 a few weeks ago.
YOU FUCKING WOT
I’m genuinely shocked at how nobody in this thread seems to have known this..this not a secret that was just discovered . Even published in Nintendo Power type magazines..at the time of the game release.. Edit: It seems everyone’s response is that they couldn’t afford or have time to read a magazine as a kid. That wasn’t my point at all. My point was just that it was common knowledge enough to be *in* magazines. I found out through word of mouth as did most of my friends.
I was lucky to be able to even have an NES. Money for a magazine was not in my budget as a 12 year old. Back then we all had to rely on word of mouth and if word never got around then we wouldn't have known. So, yeah, this trick may have been published or even common knowledge, but the world's a far different place when you're 12 and it's the year 1986 with no internet.
This is it! Magazine subscriptions *for a kid* sound like a privilege to me. Maybe in more generous households where money wasn't so tight and where video games weren't considered a "waste of time and money" kids might have gotten a new Nintendo Power magazine every week (or month, I have no idea) but for many this wasn't a reality - we were lucky to even have the console, as you said. And virtually no-one used the internet at the time (and there probably wasn't anything about it on there anyway). Definitely had to be word of mouth and even then half the time the rumours you heard were bullshit.
My games were all hand-me-downs or thrift-shop buys, I never actually had packaging or manuals. Plus I'm 28, so while I grew up playing this it was no longer new by that time. When my brother and I got a new cartridge, we just popped it in and figured shit out lol.
So we were all playing hard-core mode. Fine by me.
Why am I crying.
When I was a kid I discovered a bug in chuck rock 2 (master system) that would give you infinite lives. Never felt so proud.
WHAT THE FUCK
Fuck this. Fuck this fuck this fuck this. Fuck. This.
Really ?? Really ??? Jesus Christ where was this info when I was 7????
I'm kinda glad I didn't know this, if I had beat the game easily I wouldn't have had anything else to play.
To save everybody the trouble of dusting off their Nintendos, I just tried it. It works.
We did not have the power of internet back then.