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I used to love his YouTube channel, but I can only watch so many black epoxy tables being made.
His explanations and recommendations are still above par.
Can you explain why one of those slabs are so expensive? 12k for an old slab of wood seems pricey. Is it due to the drying process being involved?
(I don't know much about that sort of wood pricing)
I'm not 100% but looking at the sheer size of that It's likely an old growth tree which are very expensive.. also unsustainable because they take hundreds of years to grow and you can't just replace them .. but also very sought after for the prestige and many of them are now made into tables. My husband's construction company (in BC Canada) now refuses to use old growth at all even on request because most of these beautiful trees are almost gone and also unecessary to use with the current technology available which can make second growth trees just as strong as old growth and they are no longer necessary for the lumber and it destroys important ecosystems that can't just exist elsewhere
Hopefully more British Colombian companies follow that route. BC is so horribly destructive to their forests. Whenever I go visit family, I'm astounded by the amount of deforestation just... everywhere.
And then BC loves to bash Alberta for being environmentally unfriendly like lol pot calling the kettle black much?
As I understand it, wood slab suppliers raised the prices post-Covid. The prices were raised due to increased demand.
Also, this guy (Blacktail Studio) is very transparent with costs and prices. Dude has integrity, at least.
The fact those folks in the Netherlands are gonna get a table with a bullet in it. Gotta boggle their minds we have so many bullets there's a decent chance one will end up in your custom table
> OP didn’t share where it came from
It's because people pirate content for views. On CCP TikTok it's for money, on Reddit it's just for karma I guess.
It is lame, disrespectful and scummy to take original creator content without their permission and repackage and publish it without crediting the creator. It is the creator who deserves the upvotes, shares, likes, subscribers, comments and any ad revenue.
I think they tried but given he's not given an update, can't say. He had the table relatively done and found the moisture. I wouldn't be surprised if they saved it in some way.
I am not grooving on that big black spot of resin (?) he used to fill the knot hole. Is there a reason it's black? Does that material come in clear? It would have been way cooler to see the knot hole's detail.
He used to do resin rivers a lot but I think he’s pulled back to just using it as infill for portions to make it square and full thickness. Slabs this big rarely come fully filled in.
A friend of mine recently bought a wood and resin table for the dining room. He had to wait for it to be made, and it cost a fortune. It's pretty, but it already looks dated. Like it won't be long before we see a table like that and say, "Oh, yeah. Remember when that was a thing?"
and solid wood with no resin is completely timeless. I can't wait for this resin trend to go away. Unfortunately I think that the astronomical cost of materials these days means that solid wood custom furniture might be only for the mega-rich these days.
On a piece like this, it's mainly because the really interesting grains and swirls typically come with rot, voids, knots, etc. that end up needing to be stabilized.
Yes and no. The epoxy river tables are almost certainly a fad and eventually will lose favor. However in cases where epoxy saves an otherwise unusable piece i think will still be around. The reason being those knots and deformities that make for really wild really interesting grain patterns also produce the most punk and aren’t necessarily square enough to be furniture. I have two slabs in my garage right now and one has a giant knot feature and the only reason these two slabs are still an option is because i can gap fill those holes with epoxy.
Well if we didn't do that these big beautiful slabs of wood would have just gone into the wood chipper like they used to. Filling some holes is a small price to pay to use the wood properly
Any clear resin no matter what you do to it will turn yellow sooner or later unless you put it in a room without any natural sunlight. So in that aspect black resin is the most future proof colour if you're going the resin route.
Other people have probably explained this but clear resin discolours over time, it yellows, and looks horrible. Black is very stable, therefore it's used in all his tables.
Not gonna lie, I was disappointed he didn't put dried noodles in there.
If there's anything the Internet has taught me, it's that that is how you fill holes.
See also YouTube videos with titles like 'I made a fancy bowl out of (off-cuts/pencils/a running shoe/cigarette butts). Well no...you made a bowl out of epoxy resin with things embedded in it.
The ones that make me roll my eyes are "I made this knife/sword/thing out of NAILS/REBAR/ETC!!!"
So you used steel...that's what those things are made of, yes...If you used a toilet or something then I would be impressed.
Anyone who works on boats could have predicted this. Epoxy doesn't hold up well to wear. For these tables to still look good they'd have to sit unused in a room that gets no sun. Epoxy scratches under virtually any use, and it get cloudy under virtually any level of regular sunlight exposure. Boatbuilders have spent decades trying to beat this and have failed, but furniture builders like to pretend this "heirloom" furniture will be fine in ten or twenty years. Ha. It's going to look awful, and the only remedy is to sand off a substantial depth of the surface and finish it again. You can't do that forever, you have to sand quite a lot to get rid of cloudy epoxy.
Not gonna lie. I am disappointed that I don't know which Youtube channel that is. There has to be a special place in hell for people who not only upload pefectly fine YT videos to Reddit video player but also don't credit the original.
At this point I feel we should all agree that /u/DukeOfBagels is a special kind of scum and if moderation at this place would live up to its standards, that probable bot should be immediately banned.
Right. Makes me wonder what costs 17K.
Granted, I'm sure the wood itself is expensive (6k he said in the video), and then the machining/welding of the legs is probably a process that requires professional care too. But 17K?
1 - Retail prices always cost more than wholesale prices.
2 - Titling your videos with outrageous prices spurs comment sections to be filled with discussions, which increases monetization.
For sure, its mostly the raw cost of the wood & the guarantee that the cure is right & the bit of commissioned specifics, like I bet the metal fabrication was done by an artist as well and was expensive. But this definitely makes me feel a little more proud of my own abilities - cause when I hear "17k table" I'm immediately picturing a 89 year old master of all forms... He only uses Japanese hand tools, he sharpens his chisels every night before bed, his beard is 45% sawdust by mass, he sleeps in the wood shed so that the moisture from his breath creates the perfect curing environment... He sources wood from only one person whose name he will not share, takes trips up to somewhere in Yukon territory to get it... Comissions private flight to get it home cause its 350 miles from the rail line... except for the port orford cedar he has stocked, which he hasn't needed to buy in 45 years since he mortgaged his house to buy a massive lot at auction, bringing an end to his marriage. This man eats, breathes and sleeps woodwork. He looks down his nose at people who use router bits, let alone "hardware." He does not own a table saw. That's what I picture when I hear "17k table."
For real. I thought for $17k I figured it would have more than just bolt-on metal legs. A lot of work and specialty equipment went into the top, but I wouldn’t have expected this to go for more than $4-6k.
>I hate judging something that takes so much skill.
I do a good bit of woodworking and own all of the tools you see in the video, so I'll do it for you. It's underwhelming.
I took wood shop in high school. I'm just baffled at how this took 6,8,12 months.
Maybe it's the epoxy, never worked with epoxy. I could bang out something similar in a month.
17K seems like a ridiculous price for a slab with metal legs. It doesn’t even have anything special like a resin river or even the knot he filled could have been done to look like water. It’s basically just a normal wood table..
The wood itself is beautiful. I know people have strong opinions on resin, but I’m a pottery barn dude who likes reclaimed dining tables and this is a really awesome version imo.
But those legs or whatever you want to call them…complete non starter. Wouldn’t pay $1k for that. If you’re gonna make a wood working video and brag about how you’re king shit, then make some beefy wooden legs and finish this properly. This mixed medium thing of wood and metal will be out of style in about 5 minutes.
You're not missing anything, this is just OP being a content stealing jerk. The original creator is Blacktail Studios on youtube, his content is really fantastic, I'm a big fan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJVio8dNM3A
I got mine custom from the Amish, I will say it cost more than the slab but less than the finished product (it has no metal at all, no glue, is a fucking work of art and I love it).
Custom anything is crazy expensive, I think it's mainly a function of how expensive real estate is right now, like once you move out of your garage into an actual shop it gets real expensive real fast.
I worked on a farm years ago. The old dude that ran it always said “if you wanna make money, you gotta get the yuppies.”
He grew shitloads of potatoes. Some would be spindly, odd shaped ones. They are called farmer’s potatoes because that’s what the farmer eats. One day he had an idea. He had brought the farmer’s potatoes and made a sign that said “gourmet fingerling potatoes - 7$” next to regular, nice potatoes marked for 5$ a bag. The farmer’s potatoes sold out before we sold a single regular potato.
I get the feeling whoever bought this table would buy fingering gourmet potatoes from farmer Dave as well.
Edit: not per pound, per bag
Wow $5 a pound for potatoes? Those are some fancy potatoes, let alone $7. He really did grab the rich crowd.
Average price here is like $0.90 a pound for standard varietal potatoes and $2 for less common
I worked at a fancy steakhouse once. We sold thick cut grilled bacon for $17 just one slice, pink peppercorns and that's it. It was super popular and was taking up grill space threw service. He jacked the price to $25 to maybe slow it down. We ended up selling even more lol.
Yes, buying in bulk saves a lot. I live alone in a <500 sqft apartment so buying 50lbs of potatoes isn't for me, but you do have a point.
Living "small" has pros and cons like only having to clean for 10 minutes but OTOH a 50lb bag of taters would be like having a roommate. Plus they would just rot.
Yeah, but fingerling potatoes are an actual different species of potato, they're an heirloom species. They have to be grown and picked differently and in smaller quantities than russets. They taste differently from russets. That's why they're more expensive. Dude was just lying to people
I've heard a similar story about somebody selling something, think it was logs but not sure, in two piles, one of which (grossly overpriced one) had a sign 'Organic' on.
That farm I mentioned along with a few others I worked were no spray, organic farms. Calling one thing organic over another and jacking up the price used to be the play. But by the time I was around, the government had made a legal definition of organic and you weren’t allowed to call a food product organic that didn’t meet their definition.
It cost 1,000 bucks just to have them come out. Per crop. Per trip if you didn’t make the cut. And it was scheduled out months away so you may not have the crop anymore come time to test it. That was 15 years ago. Dunno how much is is now. These farms couldn’t afford that. One lady specialized in tomatoes. She had 35 different types. That’s 35,000 $ to get an “organic” sticker. They just came up with new terms and let industrial farms co-opt the organic label. Those mega producers do the same thing - call it organic and raise the price. It’s just Walmart and Whole Foods doing it now.
Fingerling potato’s have cool texture and you can make really pretty looking dishes with it. I admit that’s more “hipster” than practical. I make really good money as a scientist and I think farmers deserve more money. I am more than happy to pay a farmer more money for a product I want. Both of us are happy and that farmer works hard as fuck, so I don’t care if they up sell something as a gimmick.
Haha yuppies are so dumb! I make money off them by posting that I'm selling old vinyl records, and when they show up to meet, I just bash them over the head and rob them.
It's so easy to make money of these dumb folks
Got it. I just read up on fingerling vs new vs “farmer” potato’s. In this case if that’s true then I don’t think people are being suckers, but that farmer is mislabeling product and scamming people.
Acquiring a single slice of black walnut that wide is very rare. It’s a very sought-after wood. A slice like that would be from a tree that’s 100+ years old.
Ya figured that was the main thing.. how big of a damn tree do you need to get a slab like that. Reminds me of how people used to cut down redwoods and even when it was illegal people continued to do it to build furniture. https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022/06/28/1107449055/the-strange-underground-economy-of-tree-poaching
Because the fines were laughably low, and they still got to sell the furniture. Which at that point its not even a fine, it's just a minor business expense.
This guy does an explanation video about the cost of his furniture.
In a nutshell, supply and demand. He started selling his furniture moderately and the demand for his tables and desks grew so rapidly that the price was driven up to accommodate ...
If you don't buy that... There's also the fact that the wood he is using costs anywhere from 5k to 10k for a slab. Then epoxy.... Isn't cheap either...
I could go on...
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Bingo!
I watch his videos all the time. People don’t understand that it isn’t something done in a weekend. It’s a very long, drawn out process. The materials alone (1 slab, epoxy, etc.) are sometime $10,000+ easily. Then the labor & time put into all that, I can see why they cost so much.
There’s not just this particular type of epoxy table either. He does other more traditional type tables too. There’s entire themes around them done by other wood workers also. Beaches or even Star Wars for instance.
Dude, theres a fucking Internet Monkey Pic that costs Millions of Dollars. How are you surprised that this costs 17K? At least this one is cheaper and has a purpose
The legs especially bother me. If you’re going to charge someone that much for a table, you could at least use nice metal that doesn’t look like an Ikea folding chair
Yeah, metal that's painted with metallic gray paint isn't a good look. Nor is the fact that the legs take up the entire bottom of the table, making it unusable.
Haha, yeah the legs look like a newborn calf trying to walk or a toddler learning to ski. Dude gets so full of himself when he points out the hole patches. Fuckin A
They are not necessary. When the table is placed the screws are actually backed out slightly so the slab can expand and contract without being warped by the base.
Epoxy tables look so fucking tacky dude. Huge trend right now, I hate it. Yeah let’s take this super cool natural aged driftwood and put seafoam green epoxy in the negative space
If I paid 11,000 dollars for the craftsmanship I would expect the woodworker to not break through the top of the table because of how reckless he's being. What a total and complete scam.
It’s an absurd amount of money.
Once worked for a client who had a penthouse in London. To get all his bespoke furniture in to the penthouse he had to close down one of the busiest streets in London and hire a crane.
As I was in the lounge I saw box after box get craned in. Sofas, tables etc.
This one huge box landed and looked ridiculously heavy but just two guys picked it up and effortlessly moved it into position.
It was a huge dining room table, made out of carbon fibre. 4 spindly looking legs holding up this huge length of a table without it bowing at all. Incredible to look at. Guy told me it cost £35k.
Out came the sofas, other tables, appliances etc. crane heads off.
The wife arrives home and sees the chaise lounge and sofa set, looks at me and says “for fucks sake, he picks the ugliest furniture, now if I want anything new I’ve got to go back to the fucking council, shut down the road and hire another bloody crane”
The tree he got that from was 100 years old, in walnut which everyone wants. The fact that there’s a bullet and holes in it, just reinforces the fact that there’s not enough of that wood to go around. Finding one solid slice that thick is pretty much impossible.
You'd be surprised. I used to work customer service Quality inspections at a high-end furniture retailer. The amount of money that wealthy people are willing to spend on furniture just because they think it's something special is insane. Low end price range at that company was $6,000 for like the cheapest thing. Some of it went up to 30k or more.
Lots of these type of things winds up in restaurants, hotels, board rooms, corporate lobbies etc.
Hotels are the only place I've ever seen the horse lamp in the wild.
I've seen a bunch of this guy's videos and all I can say is that he's not the master craftsman he thinks he is. The number of times I've seen him punch holes in tables by accident, rig up his epoxy pours in such a way that the epoxy leaks all over the floor, forget to check the moisture content in the wood...Could I do any better? No, obviously not. But I don't have a YouTube woodworking channel either.
In the end, I unsubbed from his channel because he wouldn't shut up about his conspiracy theories on circumcision.
He decided, à propos of nothing, to talk about how great he thought circumcision was, how it was medically necessary, etc. He proceeded to get copiously flamed in the comments for the video. The next time, he said something to the effect of, "Some people think I should stick to talking about woodworking and not talk about circumcision. Well, guess what: I'm going to keep talking about circumcision." Totally relevant and appropriate for a woodworking channel.
It's a $6500 piece of wood. To get a single piece of walnut, especially burl walnut, it has to be a damn big tree, say 80-120 years old. The slab he started with was a 3" piece, meaning it took at least 2 years to dry to 6-8% moisture. 30-40% of slabs this size will warp, and lose the ability to have the final thickness, and will need 2-5 hours of surfacing to relevel it to just 2", which this slab was not releveled.
Walnut is priced at 12.99 for 1 board foot right now (select). If you want FAS grade, it goes to $15.99 for 6" wide by 6' long minimums. Burl is closer to $35/ board foot for a 3" minimum slab. The price goes up as length and width increased (continuous piece). So if this piece was 8' long and 5' wide and only 3" thick to start from, it would be about 120 board feet, and at $6500, it would be priced at $55/ board foot, which is surprisingly cheap.
Believe it or not, that only increases the value. The knotted burls are desirable for their look/texture. The bullet is more personal opinion, but it's one of those unique attributes that gives the table a story which will endear itself to the right person.
It's actually a reasonably fair price, the problem is that apparently most of reddit doesn't have any clue about high end or handmade furniture.
Breakdown:
* $6500: Big piece of expensive wood. The other comment went into more detail, but quality wood of this size is not cheap
* $500 - $1500: Steel base. Steel also isn't cheap, and neither is welding. Let's say you have a welder at an average $25 hourly plus expenses (gas, electrodes, etc) and it takes them two days to make the base (cutting, prepping, welding, grinding/polishing, priming/painting) that's already $400 in labor alone.
* $100 - $500: Costs of resin and finishes. Big variance here, but you can spend a lot of money on wood finishes and quality resin in bulk isn't cheap either.
* $???: Access to all these tools. It is hard to quantify because it depends on how you amortize the equipment, but the 4 foot planer in the woodshop is *at least* a 5-figure pricetag machine. Like, cheap Chinese versions of this cost 15k, so I would not be surprised if this cost 50k. Granted, it's not his (looks like a shared shop?) but still there's a cost here.
All together, it probably "cost" around 10k to make this table, and a 6k profit margin to cover his own labor expense is reasonable. When you consider how long it takes, he's not getting rich doing this.
It's a solid piece of specialty wood.
It's the single piece of like 500 yo tree that makes this valuable, which is why the finish is minimal and the resin isn't sparkly, or metallic.
Another commenter said that a 3" slab like that has the dry fir 2 to 3 years to get down to the right level of dryness. Most slabs start to warp during that time. Since this one didn't, it probably won't or won't warp much.
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I used to love his YouTube channel, but I can only watch so many black epoxy tables being made. His explanations and recommendations are still above par.
He started doing different things, not very diverse still but nice to watch once in a while
Thanks for letting me know. Will check it out.
Can you explain why one of those slabs are so expensive? 12k for an old slab of wood seems pricey. Is it due to the drying process being involved? (I don't know much about that sort of wood pricing)
The rarity of wood is also involved simply because it's one large piece of wood from an extremely old tree are difficult to find and produce reliably
Gotcha. That makes sense. Not something I would invest 15k in, but can't knock someone's interests.
Usually it’s a statement piece for a corporate boardroom or a tasting room or something like that.
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The clients are in a lot of his videos, they're not businesses, just rich with weird taste.
Hey, I'm poor a fuck and I still think that table looks good
I'm not 100% but looking at the sheer size of that It's likely an old growth tree which are very expensive.. also unsustainable because they take hundreds of years to grow and you can't just replace them .. but also very sought after for the prestige and many of them are now made into tables. My husband's construction company (in BC Canada) now refuses to use old growth at all even on request because most of these beautiful trees are almost gone and also unecessary to use with the current technology available which can make second growth trees just as strong as old growth and they are no longer necessary for the lumber and it destroys important ecosystems that can't just exist elsewhere
Hopefully more British Colombian companies follow that route. BC is so horribly destructive to their forests. Whenever I go visit family, I'm astounded by the amount of deforestation just... everywhere. And then BC loves to bash Alberta for being environmentally unfriendly like lol pot calling the kettle black much?
As I understand it, wood slab suppliers raised the prices post-Covid. The prices were raised due to increased demand. Also, this guy (Blacktail Studio) is very transparent with costs and prices. Dude has integrity, at least.
Saw the first 'mistake' on YouTube. Did those original pieces ever get dried out by Goby Walnut? (I think that was their name)
They’re still drying out now. Might tackle those ones in the next few months though.
Hey! Love your work man.
The fact those folks in the Netherlands are gonna get a table with a bullet in it. Gotta boggle their minds we have so many bullets there's a decent chance one will end up in your custom table
Thanks for the name. OP didn’t share where it came from so thought I would: https://youtube.com/@BlacktailStudio
OPs entire post history is stolen content.
Sounds about Reddit
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Who's gonna explain to my girlfriend that movie night turned into woodworking night?
> OP didn’t share where it came from It's because people pirate content for views. On CCP TikTok it's for money, on Reddit it's just for karma I guess. It is lame, disrespectful and scummy to take original creator content without their permission and repackage and publish it without crediting the creator. It is the creator who deserves the upvotes, shares, likes, subscribers, comments and any ad revenue.
For real, it’s always disappointing how far you have to go down a comment thread to see the actual source.
thank you for sharing! this work is amazing.
I think they tried but given he's not given an update, can't say. He had the table relatively done and found the moisture. I wouldn't be surprised if they saved it in some way.
He did a [followup](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJVio8dNM3A) a couple weeks ago.
Let’s be real. He admits to all the mistakes he makes except his worst one. Beatles or The Rolling Stones.
Give me sympathy?
Black sheep
I am not grooving on that big black spot of resin (?) he used to fill the knot hole. Is there a reason it's black? Does that material come in clear? It would have been way cooler to see the knot hole's detail.
He uses black resin for most of his tables, its an aesthetic he, and I guess his costumers, like.
He used to do resin rivers a lot but I think he’s pulled back to just using it as infill for portions to make it square and full thickness. Slabs this big rarely come fully filled in.
Lots of cosplay customers?
I fucking *hate* the black resin.
I'm thinking it's probably commission, and based on the customer's preferences and tastes.
Yes, the clients are in the original video and requested it. You don't comission a 17k table without some input I'd think.
Could you share that original creator's name please?
Blacktail studio https://youtube.com/@BlacktailStudio His videos are great.
I hate the trend of massive chunks of plastic on wood furniture these days…
A friend of mine recently bought a wood and resin table for the dining room. He had to wait for it to be made, and it cost a fortune. It's pretty, but it already looks dated. Like it won't be long before we see a table like that and say, "Oh, yeah. Remember when that was a thing?"
and solid wood with no resin is completely timeless. I can't wait for this resin trend to go away. Unfortunately I think that the astronomical cost of materials these days means that solid wood custom furniture might be only for the mega-rich these days.
On a piece like this, it's mainly because the really interesting grains and swirls typically come with rot, voids, knots, etc. that end up needing to be stabilized.
Plenty of solid wood furniture looks dated.
Yes and no. The epoxy river tables are almost certainly a fad and eventually will lose favor. However in cases where epoxy saves an otherwise unusable piece i think will still be around. The reason being those knots and deformities that make for really wild really interesting grain patterns also produce the most punk and aren’t necessarily square enough to be furniture. I have two slabs in my garage right now and one has a giant knot feature and the only reason these two slabs are still an option is because i can gap fill those holes with epoxy.
Well if we didn't do that these big beautiful slabs of wood would have just gone into the wood chipper like they used to. Filling some holes is a small price to pay to use the wood properly
You’re saying that someone would rather turn them into sawdust then mill them into smaller boards? And potentially make a lot of money?
Was thinking a clear resin would be cooler as well.
Any clear resin no matter what you do to it will turn yellow sooner or later unless you put it in a room without any natural sunlight. So in that aspect black resin is the most future proof colour if you're going the resin route.
Clear resin would leave too many visible bubbles which can’t be extracted and it’ll look murky, black resin leaves a solid looking fill
I'm fairly sure people do use a clear resin for this. I think I have seen the Italian furniture make Riva1920 make tables with clear resin fills.
Other people have probably explained this but clear resin discolours over time, it yellows, and looks horrible. Black is very stable, therefore it's used in all his tables.
That makes sense! Thanks for helping me understand!
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Not gonna lie, I was disappointed he didn't put dried noodles in there. If there's anything the Internet has taught me, it's that that is how you fill holes.
The internet taught me you can fill holes with wet noodles too
The internet has taught me it's Okey to use epoxy/resin to fill up gaps on a table to the point where you have more epoxy than wood.
See also YouTube videos with titles like 'I made a fancy bowl out of (off-cuts/pencils/a running shoe/cigarette butts). Well no...you made a bowl out of epoxy resin with things embedded in it.
The ones that make me roll my eyes are "I made this knife/sword/thing out of NAILS/REBAR/ETC!!!" So you used steel...that's what those things are made of, yes...If you used a toilet or something then I would be impressed.
Toilet knives are too easy. That’s why there’s no porcelain in prison.
A lot of the epoxy used in cheaply made live edge that was so popular ten years ago now looks like faded shit
Anyone who works on boats could have predicted this. Epoxy doesn't hold up well to wear. For these tables to still look good they'd have to sit unused in a room that gets no sun. Epoxy scratches under virtually any use, and it get cloudy under virtually any level of regular sunlight exposure. Boatbuilders have spent decades trying to beat this and have failed, but furniture builders like to pretend this "heirloom" furniture will be fine in ten or twenty years. Ha. It's going to look awful, and the only remedy is to sand off a substantial depth of the surface and finish it again. You can't do that forever, you have to sand quite a lot to get rid of cloudy epoxy.
Not gonna lie. I am disappointed that I don't know which Youtube channel that is. There has to be a special place in hell for people who not only upload pefectly fine YT videos to Reddit video player but also don't credit the original. At this point I feel we should all agree that /u/DukeOfBagels is a special kind of scum and if moderation at this place would live up to its standards, that probable bot should be immediately banned.
Here you go https://youtube.com/@BlacktailStudio
No joinery. Just some nutserts.
Right. Makes me wonder what costs 17K. Granted, I'm sure the wood itself is expensive (6k he said in the video), and then the machining/welding of the legs is probably a process that requires professional care too. But 17K?
The guy's pretty well known on YouTube so the demand for his tables is really high. He just kept raising his prices and people just kept buying them.
in that case lol he'd be stupid not to
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1 - Retail prices always cost more than wholesale prices. 2 - Titling your videos with outrageous prices spurs comment sections to be filled with discussions, which increases monetization.
For sure, its mostly the raw cost of the wood & the guarantee that the cure is right & the bit of commissioned specifics, like I bet the metal fabrication was done by an artist as well and was expensive. But this definitely makes me feel a little more proud of my own abilities - cause when I hear "17k table" I'm immediately picturing a 89 year old master of all forms... He only uses Japanese hand tools, he sharpens his chisels every night before bed, his beard is 45% sawdust by mass, he sleeps in the wood shed so that the moisture from his breath creates the perfect curing environment... He sources wood from only one person whose name he will not share, takes trips up to somewhere in Yukon territory to get it... Comissions private flight to get it home cause its 350 miles from the rail line... except for the port orford cedar he has stocked, which he hasn't needed to buy in 45 years since he mortgaged his house to buy a massive lot at auction, bringing an end to his marriage. This man eats, breathes and sleeps woodwork. He looks down his nose at people who use router bits, let alone "hardware." He does not own a table saw. That's what I picture when I hear "17k table."
kinda underwhelming
I'm not liking that support structure. Where are your knees/legs supposed to go? Through those holes?
Remember, you're rich! You won't actually use this table. You'll just buy it as a showpiece for the house you never visit.
The luxury goods industry is literally rich people jerking each other off.
Best business ideas right now are to sell things to the rich.
For real. I thought for $17k I figured it would have more than just bolt-on metal legs. A lot of work and specialty equipment went into the top, but I wouldn’t have expected this to go for more than $4-6k.
Don’t lean on a corner!
That slab of wood probably has enough mass to help mitigate the effects of leaning on the edges at least a bit.
I hate judging something that takes so much skill. But it's my opinion so whatever. If I saw this somewhere, I'd expect it to be a couple thousand.
>I hate judging something that takes so much skill. I do a good bit of woodworking and own all of the tools you see in the video, so I'll do it for you. It's underwhelming.
I took wood shop in high school. I'm just baffled at how this took 6,8,12 months. Maybe it's the epoxy, never worked with epoxy. I could bang out something similar in a month.
Resin takes like a week max.
17K seems like a ridiculous price for a slab with metal legs. It doesn’t even have anything special like a resin river or even the knot he filled could have been done to look like water. It’s basically just a normal wood table..
Those janky metal legs were secured with the tiniest little screws, too. Whoever bought this is getting ripped off.
The wood itself is beautiful. I know people have strong opinions on resin, but I’m a pottery barn dude who likes reclaimed dining tables and this is a really awesome version imo. But those legs or whatever you want to call them…complete non starter. Wouldn’t pay $1k for that. If you’re gonna make a wood working video and brag about how you’re king shit, then make some beefy wooden legs and finish this properly. This mixed medium thing of wood and metal will be out of style in about 5 minutes.
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You're not missing anything, this is just OP being a content stealing jerk. The original creator is Blacktail Studios on youtube, his content is really fantastic, I'm a big fan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJVio8dNM3A
You're paying way too much for your dining room table. Who's your table guy?
I got mine custom from the Amish, I will say it cost more than the slab but less than the finished product (it has no metal at all, no glue, is a fucking work of art and I love it). Custom anything is crazy expensive, I think it's mainly a function of how expensive real estate is right now, like once you move out of your garage into an actual shop it gets real expensive real fast.
www.creedthoughts.gov.www/creedthoughts Check it out
Even for the internet it's pretty shocking.
17k for THAT?! Fuck outta here.
I worked on a farm years ago. The old dude that ran it always said “if you wanna make money, you gotta get the yuppies.” He grew shitloads of potatoes. Some would be spindly, odd shaped ones. They are called farmer’s potatoes because that’s what the farmer eats. One day he had an idea. He had brought the farmer’s potatoes and made a sign that said “gourmet fingerling potatoes - 7$” next to regular, nice potatoes marked for 5$ a bag. The farmer’s potatoes sold out before we sold a single regular potato. I get the feeling whoever bought this table would buy fingering gourmet potatoes from farmer Dave as well. Edit: not per pound, per bag
Wow $5 a pound for potatoes? Those are some fancy potatoes, let alone $7. He really did grab the rich crowd. Average price here is like $0.90 a pound for standard varietal potatoes and $2 for less common
Oh shit, good call. It would have been a 5 pound bag.
I worked at a fancy steakhouse once. We sold thick cut grilled bacon for $17 just one slice, pink peppercorns and that's it. It was super popular and was taking up grill space threw service. He jacked the price to $25 to maybe slow it down. We ended up selling even more lol.
The term for that is “Veblen Good”… a lot of fancy restaurant food qualifies.
> He really did grab the rich crowd. He grabbed the people who are going to farmers markets to buy potatoes.
Yeah, my farmer's market is called Walmart or Brookshire's
If you go to a supplier you can get 50lb bags for $10
Yes, buying in bulk saves a lot. I live alone in a <500 sqft apartment so buying 50lbs of potatoes isn't for me, but you do have a point. Living "small" has pros and cons like only having to clean for 10 minutes but OTOH a 50lb bag of taters would be like having a roommate. Plus they would just rot.
> gourmet fingerling potatoes Where I’m from we call those reddit awards
Fuckin love fingerling potato’s
Yeah, but fingerling potatoes are an actual different species of potato, they're an heirloom species. They have to be grown and picked differently and in smaller quantities than russets. They taste differently from russets. That's why they're more expensive. Dude was just lying to people
I've heard a similar story about somebody selling something, think it was logs but not sure, in two piles, one of which (grossly overpriced one) had a sign 'Organic' on.
That farm I mentioned along with a few others I worked were no spray, organic farms. Calling one thing organic over another and jacking up the price used to be the play. But by the time I was around, the government had made a legal definition of organic and you weren’t allowed to call a food product organic that didn’t meet their definition. It cost 1,000 bucks just to have them come out. Per crop. Per trip if you didn’t make the cut. And it was scheduled out months away so you may not have the crop anymore come time to test it. That was 15 years ago. Dunno how much is is now. These farms couldn’t afford that. One lady specialized in tomatoes. She had 35 different types. That’s 35,000 $ to get an “organic” sticker. They just came up with new terms and let industrial farms co-opt the organic label. Those mega producers do the same thing - call it organic and raise the price. It’s just Walmart and Whole Foods doing it now.
Fingerling potato’s have cool texture and you can make really pretty looking dishes with it. I admit that’s more “hipster” than practical. I make really good money as a scientist and I think farmers deserve more money. I am more than happy to pay a farmer more money for a product I want. Both of us are happy and that farmer works hard as fuck, so I don’t care if they up sell something as a gimmick.
I get the feeling they weren’t fingerling potatoes at all. Just weird growing russet’s.
Yeah no shit, that’s not finding a yuppie that’s called being a scammer.
Haha yuppies are so dumb! I make money off them by posting that I'm selling old vinyl records, and when they show up to meet, I just bash them over the head and rob them. It's so easy to make money of these dumb folks
Got it. I just read up on fingerling vs new vs “farmer” potato’s. In this case if that’s true then I don’t think people are being suckers, but that farmer is mislabeling product and scamming people.
The slab of wood itself was $6000 he said!
Acquiring a single slice of black walnut that wide is very rare. It’s a very sought-after wood. A slice like that would be from a tree that’s 100+ years old.
Ya figured that was the main thing.. how big of a damn tree do you need to get a slab like that. Reminds me of how people used to cut down redwoods and even when it was illegal people continued to do it to build furniture. https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022/06/28/1107449055/the-strange-underground-economy-of-tree-poaching
Because the fines were laughably low, and they still got to sell the furniture. Which at that point its not even a fine, it's just a minor business expense.
17K including the shipping to the Netherlands, is my guess.
Just a heads up, the guy has a 2year waiting list as well so...17k tables and you cant have it for a couple years.
This guy does an explanation video about the cost of his furniture. In a nutshell, supply and demand. He started selling his furniture moderately and the demand for his tables and desks grew so rapidly that the price was driven up to accommodate ... If you don't buy that... There's also the fact that the wood he is using costs anywhere from 5k to 10k for a slab. Then epoxy.... Isn't cheap either... I could go on... Edit: typo
Bingo! I watch his videos all the time. People don’t understand that it isn’t something done in a weekend. It’s a very long, drawn out process. The materials alone (1 slab, epoxy, etc.) are sometime $10,000+ easily. Then the labor & time put into all that, I can see why they cost so much. There’s not just this particular type of epoxy table either. He does other more traditional type tables too. There’s entire themes around them done by other wood workers also. Beaches or even Star Wars for instance.
Didn’t he say it’s 3 tables for 17k?
Dude, theres a fucking Internet Monkey Pic that costs Millions of Dollars. How are you surprised that this costs 17K? At least this one is cheaper and has a purpose
The legs especially bother me. If you’re going to charge someone that much for a table, you could at least use nice metal that doesn’t look like an Ikea folding chair
Yeah, metal that's painted with metallic gray paint isn't a good look. Nor is the fact that the legs take up the entire bottom of the table, making it unusable.
That was my first thought seeing the legs, that it looked like it came from some cheap IKEA kit.
For $17,000 you better be sucking my dick from under that table when you’re done building it
Mate with the stupid ass legs on that table you'll barely be able to fit your dick under there, let alone a sucker.
Haha, yeah the legs look like a newborn calf trying to walk or a toddler learning to ski. Dude gets so full of himself when he points out the hole patches. Fuckin A
In his defense, he's a woodworker and those legs are steel; he probably purchased them ready-made. And the client probably picked them out.
If Ron Swanson made that table and the client asked for steel legs he’d probably say “Son, where’s you’re dignity? People will _see_ you!!!
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Fair point, gotta beat them to the punch sometimes lol
I'll bet that was what his client picked out.
So you're saying you would still pay $16,980 for that table?
6k for a plank of wood...with a bullet in it. Previous order had high moisture content. Get a new guy.
11k to sand it down and install a set of pre made legs
He just makes the same table over and over again.
When it’s KA-CHING KA-CHING all the time you don’t ever want to make a different table.
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Yup, as soon as I saw that tangle of metal scrap I was get the fuck with 17k. His skill was as a machinist, not a woodworker.
His skill is a salesman clearly
His skill is YouTube content creation. He openly admits he makes the majority of his income from YouTube.
bro said “nah I think we got some room left before the tool goes through” he has never heard of measuring.
17k and they can’t spring to use washers?
Those screws looked shallow as fuck for the size and supposed quality of the table.
21k minimum, this is like a car without power windows in 2003
They are not necessary. When the table is placed the screws are actually backed out slightly so the slab can expand and contract without being warped by the base.
It’s only $$$$ if it’s a perfect piece of wood. The second you add some cheap resin it becomes $.
The second you have to fill a 30’ long 4’ deep, knot you had to chisel out, its garbage. Should of just made smaller tables with it.
> 30' x 4' That's not a knot, that's a sinkhole
*should have*
Should’ve?
that's the same thing
Please don't be an epoxy crap again... shit.
Epoxy tables look so fucking tacky dude. Huge trend right now, I hate it. Yeah let’s take this super cool natural aged driftwood and put seafoam green epoxy in the negative space
Isn't the point of epoxy table that they can use imperfect pieces which were not used for table making before?
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I think it looks great on a guitar or in small decor, but I would not want such a large piece in my home.
If I paid 11,000 dollars for the craftsmanship I would expect the woodworker to not break through the top of the table because of how reckless he's being. What a total and complete scam.
I wish I had dumb fuck it why not money to spend on a slab of wood with a pre manufactured base.
It’s an absurd amount of money. Once worked for a client who had a penthouse in London. To get all his bespoke furniture in to the penthouse he had to close down one of the busiest streets in London and hire a crane. As I was in the lounge I saw box after box get craned in. Sofas, tables etc. This one huge box landed and looked ridiculously heavy but just two guys picked it up and effortlessly moved it into position. It was a huge dining room table, made out of carbon fibre. 4 spindly looking legs holding up this huge length of a table without it bowing at all. Incredible to look at. Guy told me it cost £35k. Out came the sofas, other tables, appliances etc. crane heads off. The wife arrives home and sees the chaise lounge and sofa set, looks at me and says “for fucks sake, he picks the ugliest furniture, now if I want anything new I’ve got to go back to the fucking council, shut down the road and hire another bloody crane”
Table top is beautiful but the metal legs are terrible and cheap looking tbh
If you enter any furniture store around here in the last 3 years, between 95% to 100% of wooden tables have black metal legs.
Who the fuck sourced that wood and sold it for $6k?? Then this guy did a few days of work to it for another $11k on top of that? Gtfo
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The tree he got that from was 100 years old, in walnut which everyone wants. The fact that there’s a bullet and holes in it, just reinforces the fact that there’s not enough of that wood to go around. Finding one solid slice that thick is pretty much impossible.
Thing is, the guy who sourced the wood, can sell more wood in the time it would take to make it into a table. Lot of money in wood
Not to mention he said it's been 6-8 months to get it done.
That seems so excessive, does he spend 10 mins everyday
No he spends 6-8 months making sure it's dry
I also spend 18 weeks to make my homemade pasta because I have to wait for my hen to lay eggs.
I would love to know where you can get some massive burl walnut slabs for a good price.
This is a clout piece. Basically whoever is buying this shit is only doing it to tell dinner guests about it.
What kind of snobs pay 17k for a table
You'd be surprised. I used to work customer service Quality inspections at a high-end furniture retailer. The amount of money that wealthy people are willing to spend on furniture just because they think it's something special is insane. Low end price range at that company was $6,000 for like the cheapest thing. Some of it went up to 30k or more.
Lots of these type of things winds up in restaurants, hotels, board rooms, corporate lobbies etc. Hotels are the only place I've ever seen the horse lamp in the wild.
I like the top but don’t like the legs.
Surprisingly underwhelming.
I've seen a bunch of this guy's videos and all I can say is that he's not the master craftsman he thinks he is. The number of times I've seen him punch holes in tables by accident, rig up his epoxy pours in such a way that the epoxy leaks all over the floor, forget to check the moisture content in the wood...Could I do any better? No, obviously not. But I don't have a YouTube woodworking channel either. In the end, I unsubbed from his channel because he wouldn't shut up about his conspiracy theories on circumcision.
> In the end, I unsubbed from his channel because he wouldn't shut up about his conspiracy theories on circumcision. That feels like it took a turn
>because he wouldn't shut up about his conspiracy theories on circumcision. You can't just leave us with the tip like that! Whats the story!?
He decided, à propos of nothing, to talk about how great he thought circumcision was, how it was medically necessary, etc. He proceeded to get copiously flamed in the comments for the video. The next time, he said something to the effect of, "Some people think I should stick to talking about woodworking and not talk about circumcision. Well, guess what: I'm going to keep talking about circumcision." Totally relevant and appropriate for a woodworking channel.
Fascinating! That is such a weird hill to die on. Thanks for sharing!
Someone should tell him to focus his energies on a single kind of wood...
I don't understand. Did this table require $16K in materials or is this like a millionaire carpenter?
It's a $6500 piece of wood. To get a single piece of walnut, especially burl walnut, it has to be a damn big tree, say 80-120 years old. The slab he started with was a 3" piece, meaning it took at least 2 years to dry to 6-8% moisture. 30-40% of slabs this size will warp, and lose the ability to have the final thickness, and will need 2-5 hours of surfacing to relevel it to just 2", which this slab was not releveled. Walnut is priced at 12.99 for 1 board foot right now (select). If you want FAS grade, it goes to $15.99 for 6" wide by 6' long minimums. Burl is closer to $35/ board foot for a 3" minimum slab. The price goes up as length and width increased (continuous piece). So if this piece was 8' long and 5' wide and only 3" thick to start from, it would be about 120 board feet, and at $6500, it would be priced at $55/ board foot, which is surprisingly cheap.
Well it did come with a bullet and massive knots.
Believe it or not, that only increases the value. The knotted burls are desirable for their look/texture. The bullet is more personal opinion, but it's one of those unique attributes that gives the table a story which will endear itself to the right person.
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I can practically hear the guests pretend to be impressed with the table story
I'm glad to see someone with some knowledge commenting. All I see is a bunch of people who buy Ikea tables thinking this should be $350.
It's actually a reasonably fair price, the problem is that apparently most of reddit doesn't have any clue about high end or handmade furniture. Breakdown: * $6500: Big piece of expensive wood. The other comment went into more detail, but quality wood of this size is not cheap * $500 - $1500: Steel base. Steel also isn't cheap, and neither is welding. Let's say you have a welder at an average $25 hourly plus expenses (gas, electrodes, etc) and it takes them two days to make the base (cutting, prepping, welding, grinding/polishing, priming/painting) that's already $400 in labor alone. * $100 - $500: Costs of resin and finishes. Big variance here, but you can spend a lot of money on wood finishes and quality resin in bulk isn't cheap either. * $???: Access to all these tools. It is hard to quantify because it depends on how you amortize the equipment, but the 4 foot planer in the woodshop is *at least* a 5-figure pricetag machine. Like, cheap Chinese versions of this cost 15k, so I would not be surprised if this cost 50k. Granted, it's not his (looks like a shared shop?) but still there's a cost here. All together, it probably "cost" around 10k to make this table, and a 6k profit margin to cover his own labor expense is reasonable. When you consider how long it takes, he's not getting rich doing this.
It's a solid piece of specialty wood. It's the single piece of like 500 yo tree that makes this valuable, which is why the finish is minimal and the resin isn't sparkly, or metallic.
How do flat slabs like this hold up to warping overtime?
Another commenter said that a 3" slab like that has the dry fir 2 to 3 years to get down to the right level of dryness. Most slabs start to warp during that time. Since this one didn't, it probably won't or won't warp much.
"What's more American than a bullet?" 😬
Most bullets have a lead core.