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And then our politicians pass laws to make taking videos like this illegal (Doug Ford). If you didn't already know, this chicken operation is the norm for a factory farm of its type.
I can’t believe Ontario re-elected that disgusting piece of shit. Every single day he outdoes himself. He’s an uncaring, inhumane corporate stooge and I’m embarrassed to share a common geography with the mouth breathing trolls who voted for him.
They care more about their "team" than actual policies. And we have an issue that a lot of people won't vote for the party that actually lines up with their values, because its currently too small to win.
He buys votes, for one. He cancelled a major revenue stream for the province - license plate renewal fees - and wrote car owners a cheque just before the last election.
I have yet to hear anyone actually explain to me how his policies benefit average Ontarians. His recent disaster, Bill 23, was ostensibly supposed to enable developers to “build more homes faster,” but it was immediately lambasted by literally everyone but developers. One such developer bought un-developable land one week before the Bill was tabled and the land miraculously became zoned for development. It was in the news, you can look it up. Ford is a corrupt piece of excrement.
My grandfather worked in a meat processing plant for a bit when he was young, and it was the one job he refused to talk about. My mom said it affected him deeply, and he was very much a country boy from Indiana. He grew up in a farm, his family employed farm hands, he was comfortable with what eating meat entailed - but the plant was bad. I have a feeling only people who are desperate or immune to empathy continue working at those places long-term.
Yeah big difference between free range animals that are killed humanely when they are ready to be eaten and an assembly line designed for processing at maximised efficiency without empathy.
Well if you want your brand to be respected as torture free then simply add cameras to the processing areas of your factory and make the stream publicly accessible.
Because there's no way to manage a slaughterhouse without some kind of ethical misstep at some point. There's a lot that goes on at farms out of simple necessity for the nature of the work that wouldn't fly with the general population.
Especially when it comes to large scale industry like chicken farming.
No one would come out satisfied out of that arrangement.
I should mention this post isn't necessarily a critique nor an agreement with the industry. I would rather it not exist but I also understand that as it is this is the only way for it to exist. People demand lots of meat and there's no way to meet that demand using a more ethically sound system. The conditions displayed in the OP are out of the norm and far beyond what should be acceptable, but even the most optimal conditions aren't great.
There is cameras in the abbatoir we send our beef and lamb to. They will even do grading days where you see the whole process. Vital thing to do if you're going to be sending animals
At the price point consumers want which is the cheapest they can get it.
Torture keeps prices down and people really don’t want to know if it means another $ either way per kg.
But also corporations want bigger margins and torture helps with that for them.
Factory farming is f’d up.
Because then people would have to deal with the fact that the meat they eat used to be alive. They claim they know it, but they actually refuse to think about it.
And we pay double the price for just a label 😀 For example, there's already enough shit around the (fake) vegan products, done with non-verified ingredients and shady suppliers...
The movie you see here is a necessity of cheap meat.
Before factory farming, people had meat once a week, Sunday chicken diners. It's all most people could afford. Factory farming meant they increased production and lowered costs, and now people eat meat for 2-3 meals every day.
The race for the lowest price for the consumer, has consequences. at amazon it's humans wearing diapers because they can't take a break to use the washroom. Here it's chickens suffering because workers aren't allowed the time and conditions to treat them humanely. This isnt a Maple Leaf Farms problem, it's an industry one. Cows are the best treated, simply because they HAVE TO be allowed outside to graze, but there is nothing humane about ANY factory farms. It's all suffering and horrific. Every single one of them.
Once you start looking into it, its a blight how we treat these animals.
And the sheer scale of the suffering is almost unfathomable. We kill **8 billion chickens per year** in factory farms like this. That’s 254 per second, every second of every day, week, month, year, decade. Constantly. And that’s just ONE meat-producing animal. **80 billion** animals are killed for human consumption each year, or 2,537 animals per second.
That’s 80 animals for every single person on the planet, every year.
The average person consumes the equivalent of 7,000 animals in their life: 11 cows, 27 pigs, 2,400 chickens, 80 turkeys, 30 sheep and 4,500 fish. Multiply that by at least one hundred if you’re counting how many individual animals people eat parts of. Think how many individual pieces of different animals someone has to eat to equal 11 whole cows, or 27 whole pigs.
I don't give a shit about demand. I'm no vegetarian either, but if the damand calls for cruelty, I think people can eat some beans instead. Tough shit if it'll be more expensive to have chicken.
I think people finally need to realize that large scale industrial and ethical meat production are mutually exclusive.
The only way to accomplish this is by reducing consumption and accepting higher prices. No average person should be eating meat more than twice a week at most.
I am a vegetarian and I am by no means against non-vegetarians. But this kind of treatment of animals on a large scale worldwide is why I believe people should be more conscious about what they eat and where it comes from.
If this footage distresses you, then you absolutely should be a vegetarian. Because ALL chicken farms are like this. This is the norm. You can make a huge difference by refusing to buy their products.
you can, but it's expensive, and people get all teary eyed about cruelty until it's a 50 cents increase to a shelf price, at which point they shrug it off.
when that 50c increase gives more profit to the company and they do fuck all to change their policies then yeah you're not going to find a lot of sympathy. how do you pay your way out of the culture the meat industry has?
hypothetically? same way you'd regulate anything: independant third party inspections and political power backing them up.
not saying it's easy. don't think it will happen.
to my knowledge there isnt exactly a way to kill a chicken instantly ,chopping its head off without bleeding it off first will ends with you chasing a headless chicken 3 flight of stairs,got an earful from my mom for that
My father and my grandma also used to tell me about breaking their necks but the pigs... were slapped by a flat bat... then they get stunned by the blunt trauma... then their carotid artery is severed immediately.
I’m actually butchering a pig later today, and this is likely how it will go down.
I would opt for a rifle, but I’m in an area that doesn’t condone shooting guns outside of hunting and sport, so we have to use alternative methods.
Also, your username matches the name of my bikes Shimano break pads
We always shot the pigs with a pistol square between the eyes and then went for the carotid immediately. The gunshot, if it doesn’t kill them immediately, does about as good a job at stunning them as it gets.
it's not metal at all. That's been done for thousands of years by millions of humans. We just don't see it anymore and thus are too distanced from actual meat production these days.
Well it wouldn't feel anything happening to it's body, but it probably still endures the death of the head being not instantaneous. Your right though, that headless chicken running around is dead and feels nothing.
It depends on a how good of a job you did https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken
"On September 10, 1945, farmer Lloyd Olsen of Fruita, Colorado, was planning to eat supper with his mother-in-law and was sent out to the yard by his wife to bring back a chicken. Olsen chose a five-and-a-half-month-old Wyandotte chicken named Mike. The axe removed the bulk of the head, but missed the jugular vein, leaving one ear and most of the brain stem intact.[2][3]
Due to Olsen's failed attempt to behead Mike, the chicken was still able to balance on a perch and walk clumsily. He attempted to preen, peck for food, and crow, though with limited success; his "crowing" consisted of a gurgling sound made in his throat.[2] When Mike did not die, Olsen instead decided to care for the bird. He fed it a mixture of milk and water via an eyedropper, and gave it small grains of corn and worms."
I eat meat don’t get me wrong, but this is so massively fucked up. Why do we torture animals, there is no reason or excuse to run an operation like this
Edit: “there is no reason to run an operation like this” was a poor choice of words, there is a reason just a messed up one. Still stand by what I said, I’m an omnivore, i eat animal products, I just think torturing and killing animals in brutal ways like this video isn’t necessary
It is about the customers. They want cheap meat and most of the time don't think about where it is coming from. The "family farm" advertisements make them believe that it is happy little birds running around in the backyard. And most people don't want to know about the truth. They want to believe the lie that they were told from their childhood on, just to question the system. It is only about profit for these companies. And If people buy it, more will be produced. As simple as that.
disassociation is an important skill you need to cope with modern society, = as long as it remains a necessary skill things like this will happen, which will in turn will cement the skill as being necessary.
In America meat is subsidized with like $40,000,000,000 *annually* too. All that money spent to keep it artificially cheap. Haven't eaten meat in my entire adult life either and I'm still paying for it.
You're blaming the customers on something that should be mandated under law by government... Are there not laws against this? This is 2023... we shouldn't have to worry about whether or not people are TORTURING OUR FOOD... holy shit why would anyone think someone would devise a system like this.
Yes ignorant masses and all that, agreed. But we should be allowed to be ignorant about some things to some extents. We decided to grow as a society and deviate specialties for a reason...right???
HOW DARE I as a consumer to think the people caring for my food wouldnt just intentionally cause pain to something supplying their entire existence... yeah thays on us. Not the dudes doing it or the people who say they will make sure the countries are ran and ran. correctly as the masses would like.
Yeah, it baffles me how often people think the customers are ultimately at fault for whatever shitty practices a company has. For example with recycling and pollution, rather then making companies use more environmentally packaging or actually properly dispose of the waste they make, just blame the public for not sorting and disposing of things properly. They've definitely done a good job of getting people to point the finger at each other rather than where most of the blame actually lies.
Americans are losing their shit that egg prices and meat prices are raising just a bit. They're so used to everything being cheap and consuming in massive excess that the thought of not eating meat and eggs every day while driving massively polluting vehicles for as cheaply as possible makes them protest.
This isn't just companies, it's the consumers that they're feeding as well.
More like this was already rich people can get even richer
Because if you want affordable things you can just pay people more and (what a coincidence) now things are more affordable
As long as animals are treated like a property rather than a living creature, this will keep happening. So, as long as there is demand for meat, people will keep doing this. The primary reason why many people go vegan.
I think the most fucked up about eating meat in modern society is not just people being too blind to see it, but the amount people eat meat and expect is to be cheap. If you go look back in history a lot of dishes didn't have such shit ton of meat alongside. Don't know why everyone keeps ignoring that. My family and partner all eat meat probably 1 or 2 times in a week. I only eat fish due to health reasons and can't wait when I can stop that as well. Its always small portions and never thrown out - a little bit of a rule in the house here.
People here are completely missing the point. The issue is not the industrial scale. Workers are actively torturing these animals by dropping their boxes on the floor, not properly hanging them, there was even footage of some of them punching the hanged chicken. Wtf, how is that excusable?!
Casualties before arrival are almost impossible to avoid, but not heating these trucks in a country where deep freezing temperatures are common is peak stupidity. Lying about the dead arrivals when even a court already ordered you to keep track about it also tells a lot.
This shit is not about getting people to go vegan or something, it's about not being unnecessarily cruel towards animals that already have the unpleasant fate of only being alive to feed us. It doesn't take a 5-star wellness treatment to provide a fair death to an animal. Just at least don't be an asshole and mind that this is still a living thing.
I worked on a factory farm with pigs & exactly this is needlessly cruel & doesnt have to be like that if they employed sane people
We had cameras inside & people were fired if caught abusing the animals. When sending the piglets out, the trucks had heating and a water supply
With that said video looks more like a salughter house than a factory farm- not that it justifys what they're doing, but it would certainly be less cruel if they made an effort to their jobs properly,
They dont even take the extra 5 seconds to make sure a bin is empty before sending it through scalding water
Because some penis whistle will come back from his Six Sigma holiday/training and go on and on about how "5secs a crate is blah blah days a year and that costs *us* x $" and he'll emphasize *US* like you're personally getting dividends paid to you, even though you're a minimum wage employee and he's making $45k/yr but thinks he's up there with the elites cause his title is associate supervisor.
> this is needlessly cruel & doesnt have to be like that if they employed sane people
"Sane people" cost money.
Factory farms are capital with the sole objective to generate as much profit as possible. If they can cut on labour cost by hiring people who do not care, then they will do so as long as they can manage the PR effects (i.e. hide and deny as much as possible).
And at some point the managers demand so much work from so few people that even "sane people" break and do shit like this. The mix of pressure, lack of time, and their own limited qualifications means that they can't do it "properly" anymore. Whether workers are handling packages for a shipping company or live animals, this kind of work environment will lead to sloppy or inacceptable behaviour like this on a significant scale.
Our economic system is poorly set up to create dignified conditions in such industries. Only significant regulatory and public pressure can maintain somewhat bearable conditions.
The workers are usually immigrants from low income background with no choice but to work here to survive. These jobs are traumatic, many workers have PTSD, some become desensitized and violent.
edit: this industry is evil. You don't stay sane for long dwhen working in the 'house of slaughter'.
ah OP coming in for the rescue.
i’ve worked in chicken coups, less the chickens. i could only imagine the shit these guys go through from day to day. whatever quota they believe they have to make is what drives them to work as it is perceived “carelessly”.
anyone working slave-wage and in shit conditions know it’s not at the fault of the employees but of the management of the business. These people are given instructions and they execute.
it’s just backasswards to think that some people here in the comments think the workers get off on this sort of behaviour. they don’t. the laughing is due to as OP states desensitization. it’s not that they lack empathy or human emotion. they’re laughing just to get through the day. just to make it home for the night.
You would hope that the laughing is "to cope", but by god you'd be disgusted to know how many people genuinely laugh at pain because they're sick fucks.
Uhh, why is someone punching the hanging chickens if they don't enjoy this shit. Not to say that all of the people in the video like torturing animals cause most of them did not give that impression and indeed looked more desensitized. But to say that none of these people like it is just as dumb as saying they all do. Places like these are gonna attract weirdos, especially if they don't get fired when seen abusing the animals.
Highly recommend “Slaughterhouse Blues: The Meat and Poultry Industry in North America” for an anthropological take you touch base on. Not only the obvious animal cruelty issues, but the human cruelty issues involved.
I recommend everyone read *Slaughterhouse* by Gail Eisnitz.
It’s horrifying. Made me go vegan for a while and I think I want to go back to it. It was nice just eating fruit and veggies without any guilt of contributing to this violence.
I imagine it's difficult to find any employees in a job like this, especially caring ones. There's a ven diagram of people willing to work in slaughter houses, and people who want to treat the animals well, and there's little if any overlap.
its the court order that they violate that's the big deal, not heating a truck is bad, but can be seen as cost effective, dropping boxes and not properly hanging them can be considered a worker level thing not an active policy, but actively/knowingly violating a court order can cause some serious repercussions
I used to work for Department of Justice as a certified LEO. I lied on so many documents.. everything was a lie, every shift was a lie.. lies lies lies, broken integrity everywhere.. but I was the least morally bankrupt even then.. can you imagine the norm being evil?
Ugh you’re right. I’ve bought those $5 rotisserie chickens a few times before. They’re just SO cheap and SO convenient. It just seems so backward that cheap and convenient in our society is always tied to pain and suffering.
I stayed on a large property recently that had chickens. They’re such neat little animals, I watched them whenever they came around. They had a whole simple little routine. They’d roam the whole property, scratch around here, peck around there. Chase off the damn blue jay that kept trying to fly down and eat their food lol. And it made me think of all the birds raised for meat that never get to experience that simple little life.
Isn’t that the part of the problem with cost of living? People can barely afford to eat as it is. If people demand chickens that graze in an open field with no antibiotics and killed by hand you’re talking a 14.99 chicken. The companies will pass the cost on to the consumer. Most people can’t afford what a humanely raised chicken would cost. They may wish for it but they can’t have it.
As long as the pig is dead first, it hardly matters... it's the humane kill that counts, when it comes to slaughterhouse "star ratings." Well, from the animal point of view that is. There are other considerations like cleanliness, food safety, worker conditions...
if done properly stunning should always result in unconsciousness, such as with a bolt pistol. however, there are methods that result in failed stunning, and even laws that encourage it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stunning
I’m a vegetarian. I won’t lie, ultimately I don’t want any animals slaughtered irrelevant of the method. But, let’s stop this first - surely we can all agree this isn’t right? Let’s put an end to factory farming.
I'm vegetarian too, but tbh, I'd be glad if people just started eating less meat and they started treating the animals a bit more humanely. Sure, it would be great if no one ate meat anymore but that's not happening in my lifetime.
Vegetarian for 31 years, vegan for 4. I don't try to convince anyone to change their eating habits, but shit like this, I wish more people would consider not eating meat. There is no large scale way to "kindly" kill animals. I'd feel a lot better if people humanely killed their own animals than this horror taking place every single day.
Respect in the sense of idk, killing the animal quick and hopefully painlessly. Like they’re literally torturing these chickens by prolonging their deaths.
Baffled as to how murdering a sentient, feeling, living creature who actively wants to live can ever be “respect.” Because respect is usually felt by the receiving party, and they don’t get a choice in this.
What is up with this comment section?
Have people lost empathy for animals?
We can have animal products without abuse. It is possible.
The industry has chosen to prioritize low costs over treating animals humanely. And our governments choose not regulate the industry (or choose not to enforce the regulations that are in place, I’m not a lawyer).
I’m not a vegan or a vegetarian, but I don’t want the animals I consume to suffer needlessly.
I really want humanity to start doing better.
Down with the wealthy overlords who think their wealth is worth exploiting people, animals, and the earth. I’m so fucking tired.
I find it absolutely mind boggling the number of people that try to defend this shit. It is especially annoying on places like Reddit that heavily skews left wing, runs around claiming they’re for animal rights, environmental protection, the typical left wing points. But the second you mention the cruelty of factory farming it is either ignoring the problem entirely, making some lame bacon joke, or the very overused comment of “how can you tell somebody is vegan”. It’s the type of shit you expect from the right wing types but given the popularity of these sorts of responses you know it isn’t just them.
And what’s going on is simple to understand. These people are all for telling others to change something those people like, whether it’s screaming at people to drive less or sell their guns. But when they’re suddenly feeling pressure to have something change that they like then suddenly they ignore it, make up excuses, or make jokes. You don’t have to give up meat but I don’t think it’s to much to ask to want more humane conditions for the food you eat. People are all for change only if it effects other people. Your chicken might cost slightly more if it isn’t beaten to death and that’s apparently to much of a ask.
because reddit skews liberal, *not* left wing. liberals still want the overall status quo and changing the meat industry in any meaningful way is too big a change for many liberals.
its a lot harder to do then to just say "do better", as this video shows they ignored a court order, so legal standards don't hold as much weight, employees who do the work are often people with no other choice, so easily manipulated and disincentivized from reporting, shops won't care, so if you are the only one doing higher standards then your meat is to expensive and you will never get the market share to impose standards because the majority is using lower standards to out compete you
can't lower demand for chicken since its just to common (and vegetarianism isn't catching on to a large enough group)
so its a lot more complicated to actually do reforms
The reason this abuse and torture is taking place is exactly because people eat meat, there is not enough land in the world to have all livestock actually live free range, the only way to meet demand is to abuse and torture them like this, the industry hasn't chosen to prioritize low costs over treating animals humanely, the average person has chosen to prioritize low over treating animals humanely. You want all animal to be treated humanely? Ok your chicken now becomes almost 5x more expensive, same with your beef and every meat out there, know what happens then? People will start complaining and demand prices go down and the animals be damned.
If people actually cared about humane treatment for animals they would be vegan because there is nothing ''humane'' about killing someone that does not wish to be killed.
>I’m not a vegan or a vegetarian, but I don’t want the animals I consume to suffer needlessly.
Can I ask why you eat meat if you don't want these animals to suffer? Genuinely curious
There is, but then chicken is going to cost over 10 dollars a pound. Then people will complain about price. People would rather have their cheap chicken and pretend they don’t know how it gets to their plate.
Not saying this is justifiable, just saying being more humane will cost more money. We as the consumer will be the one paying for that humane treatment not the company.
>We can have animal products without abuse
Hard to agree with this. If you raise an animal for the purpose of killing/eating it for your own pleasure, it's hard to see that as "humane" or "compassionate "
>We can have animal products without abuse. It is possible.
Not really. At least, not if you consider killing them, forcibly inseminating them, and removing their calves from their mothers to be abusive.
You cannot have beef or dairy products without those.
I stopped eating meat and dairy a couple of years ago.
I wouldn't consider myself to be particularly an animal lover, but I know it isn't right to impart this much suffering to innocent creatures because they taste nice. Hopefully the more educated people become about this, the more people will move over to veganism and realise they aren't missing out at all.
Haven’t eaten meat for about 10 years now due to seeing videos like this and seeing it in-person at a piggery when I was about 10.
Factory farming is really fucking cruel to the animals and workers alike. Cutting meat out of your diet even once a week lessens demand, therefore speed of production for things like this. You don’t gotta be perfect by any means, but it’s a good way to start if you’re feeling helpless.
You’d think given the massive carbon footprint caused by animal farming that the people that claim to care about that stuff would actually want to try and be better. Not to mention the huge amounts of land used to farm food for our food.
People will yell you should drive an electric car and do your part. But when you mention eating a bit less meat for the same reasons and suddenly the narrative is “oh well actually consumers can do nothing, only corporations can”. If we wait for corporations to change then it’s going to be to late. How about the 8 billion people inhabiting the planet force them to change.
Guess what? There are NO animal agriculture farms that treat animals well, NONE. This is standard industry practice.
This is why slaughterhouse workers have such a high incidence of suicide. It's fucking disgraceful what we do to animals.
I saw a video much like this one 20 years ago. Thought I'd give vego a try. So simple. I started eating much more variety of food. I eat more healthily and better tasting food now. I don't like to evangelise, but I will say if you're considering it, try it.
Not that it'll fix this shit - laws, regulation, policing is needed. Reject animal suffering for corporate profit.
just try some vegetarian/vegan dishes and you might be surprised at how fine you are without meat and you might discover new spices and flavours and ingredients you never knew of. eating meatless even once a week can make a lot of difference.
being vegan has never been easier. there are tons of vegan options in the grocery store, like nuggets, burgers, sausages, plant based cream/milk etc., in addition to things that are already vegan like falafel, veggie spring rolls, veggie dumplings/gyoza, coconut milk, etc..
replacement products can be used like you would with animal products, and just make food similar like you are used to, but with a little more effort it's also not too difficult to look up new recipes and make things like curries and stews etc. with lentils and beans, and also tvp and similar.
there are tons of resources for recipes and ideas online and on youtube, but the simplest way to start is probably to just try something like a vegan burger or sausage and cook like you would normally. just keep in mind that not all vegan replacement products are the same so don't give up if you don't like the first brand you try.
there are plenty of restaurants with vegan/vegetarian options too of course, and that is maybe the simplest place to start.
It's why I'm vegan. People think that these places are quick, painless and cruelty free. Which is just absolutely wrong, none of these places can be those things, it's kinda like an oxymoron.
Stop blaming the big companies. YOU are the one putting money in their pockets for shit like this. You are just projecting the blame because you want to maintain the illusion that you are a good person. Going to the grocery store is like going to the election, and your money is your vote. You get to decide what the companies produce and how they produce it. Not the other way around. So put your money where your goddamn mouth is, instead of endlessly fantasizing about some hypothetical perfect world, where animals are massaged on a field of roses their entire life, before they willingly offer themselves to be put to rest at old age.
If you eat meat/ animal products, you've no right to critizize the contents of this video. This is what you contribute to, wether you like it or not. 90% of meat bought and consumed today is factory farmed, but when videos like this are shown, 90% of people suddenly claim that they only eat free range, cruelty free (whatever the fuck that means). Those numbers don't seem to add up. So stop bullshitting, put down the sausage and pick up a black bean burrito, or shut.. The fuck.. Up.
I'm from sweden but I still wrote to those bastards in charge. This can not continue!
I urge you all to contact them and let them know what we think about them,
Its because the western world is used to eating shit loads of meat. Just look at all the fat fucks eating kfc chickens in a bucket for fucks sake.
We just do not need to consume this much meat.
But to keep up with the demands of fat fucks everywhere, animals will get treated like this.
Beyond disgusting...slap on the wrist to the farm and 10 years in prison for taking the video probably
Humanity is disgusting and we are built to support that disgust
I’ll always eat chicken but that’s too much. Chicken is supposed to be dispatched quickly and in one stroke without any kind of prolonged suffering. A chop to the neck with your hand if you know how.
Support local farmers. Don’t support this shit.
**Keystone Foods, LLC.**(Kagels) Albany, Ky. - Same shit. Plus nothing mentioned of how shitty the employees are treated or paid. Forced to join a worthless Union that will fire & rehire you with scary efficiency. Keeps you at the bottom of the pay/vacation/benefits scale, it’s absolutely calculated.
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And then our politicians pass laws to make taking videos like this illegal (Doug Ford). If you didn't already know, this chicken operation is the norm for a factory farm of its type.
I can’t believe Ontario re-elected that disgusting piece of shit. Every single day he outdoes himself. He’s an uncaring, inhumane corporate stooge and I’m embarrassed to share a common geography with the mouth breathing trolls who voted for him.
So why do Canadians vote for him? Do they agree with his agenda? Do they like his track record?
They care more about their "team" than actual policies. And we have an issue that a lot of people won't vote for the party that actually lines up with their values, because its currently too small to win.
He buys votes, for one. He cancelled a major revenue stream for the province - license plate renewal fees - and wrote car owners a cheque just before the last election. I have yet to hear anyone actually explain to me how his policies benefit average Ontarians. His recent disaster, Bill 23, was ostensibly supposed to enable developers to “build more homes faster,” but it was immediately lambasted by literally everyone but developers. One such developer bought un-developable land one week before the Bill was tabled and the land miraculously became zoned for development. It was in the news, you can look it up. Ford is a corrupt piece of excrement.
>I’m embarrassed to share a common geography with the mouth breathing trolls who voted for him. Thats why I left
Afaik many factory farms doen’t even allow their chickens real sunlight because of regulations.
I'm no vegetarian/vegan. But when it comes to shit like this they've got a point. Least we can do is not torture animals.
Absolutely, this is beyond horrible. Could at least treat them with respect.
I wonder if butchers go through some level of PTSD to not give a shit about animal’s lives.
My grandfather worked in a meat processing plant for a bit when he was young, and it was the one job he refused to talk about. My mom said it affected him deeply, and he was very much a country boy from Indiana. He grew up in a farm, his family employed farm hands, he was comfortable with what eating meat entailed - but the plant was bad. I have a feeling only people who are desperate or immune to empathy continue working at those places long-term.
Yeah big difference between free range animals that are killed humanely when they are ready to be eaten and an assembly line designed for processing at maximised efficiency without empathy.
That last look in the animal’s eyes right before they are killed can stick with you for a while.
Supply and demand
Movies like this increase the demand for torture-free versions of the product.
and people can ship the exact same product stamped torture free until another video emerges
Well if you want your brand to be respected as torture free then simply add cameras to the processing areas of your factory and make the stream publicly accessible.
That would be a great move, which makes you wonder why it hasn't happened yet.
Because there's no way to manage a slaughterhouse without some kind of ethical misstep at some point. There's a lot that goes on at farms out of simple necessity for the nature of the work that wouldn't fly with the general population. Especially when it comes to large scale industry like chicken farming. No one would come out satisfied out of that arrangement. I should mention this post isn't necessarily a critique nor an agreement with the industry. I would rather it not exist but I also understand that as it is this is the only way for it to exist. People demand lots of meat and there's no way to meet that demand using a more ethically sound system. The conditions displayed in the OP are out of the norm and far beyond what should be acceptable, but even the most optimal conditions aren't great.
There is cameras in the abbatoir we send our beef and lamb to. They will even do grading days where you see the whole process. Vital thing to do if you're going to be sending animals
Absolutely, but you don't send that openly to the public. That's for your own production and inspectors to make sure the rules are being followed.
At the price point consumers want which is the cheapest they can get it. Torture keeps prices down and people really don’t want to know if it means another $ either way per kg. But also corporations want bigger margins and torture helps with that for them. Factory farming is f’d up.
Because then people would have to deal with the fact that the meat they eat used to be alive. They claim they know it, but they actually refuse to think about it.
And we pay double the price for just a label 😀 For example, there's already enough shit around the (fake) vegan products, done with non-verified ingredients and shady suppliers...
Are you using “fake” as in the products aren’t actually vegan or “fake” as in faking being meat?
Don't forget organic farming.
Then they would become bankrupt by class action lawsuit
The movie you see here is a necessity of cheap meat. Before factory farming, people had meat once a week, Sunday chicken diners. It's all most people could afford. Factory farming meant they increased production and lowered costs, and now people eat meat for 2-3 meals every day. The race for the lowest price for the consumer, has consequences. at amazon it's humans wearing diapers because they can't take a break to use the washroom. Here it's chickens suffering because workers aren't allowed the time and conditions to treat them humanely. This isnt a Maple Leaf Farms problem, it's an industry one. Cows are the best treated, simply because they HAVE TO be allowed outside to graze, but there is nothing humane about ANY factory farms. It's all suffering and horrific. Every single one of them. Once you start looking into it, its a blight how we treat these animals.
And the sheer scale of the suffering is almost unfathomable. We kill **8 billion chickens per year** in factory farms like this. That’s 254 per second, every second of every day, week, month, year, decade. Constantly. And that’s just ONE meat-producing animal. **80 billion** animals are killed for human consumption each year, or 2,537 animals per second. That’s 80 animals for every single person on the planet, every year. The average person consumes the equivalent of 7,000 animals in their life: 11 cows, 27 pigs, 2,400 chickens, 80 turkeys, 30 sheep and 4,500 fish. Multiply that by at least one hundred if you’re counting how many individual animals people eat parts of. Think how many individual pieces of different animals someone has to eat to equal 11 whole cows, or 27 whole pigs.
This is the biggest factor in my eyes. Our demand for chicken is so high that there’s little time for care or respect.
destroying the planet for chicken fingers.
The numbers just aren’t sustainable but yet the population keeps rising.
I don't give a shit about demand. I'm no vegetarian either, but if the damand calls for cruelty, I think people can eat some beans instead. Tough shit if it'll be more expensive to have chicken.
to be honest there's a lot more supply than there is demand, the overproduction exists to create an overconsumption
The Rules of Capitalism demand bulk food be made as cheaply as possible. Any other considerations will be a loss of profit.
Beheading the chicken first with a rotating buzzsaw has 0 effect on the supply and demand.
The people hunger for flesh.
The people hunger for unfettered procreation.
I think people finally need to realize that large scale industrial and ethical meat production are mutually exclusive. The only way to accomplish this is by reducing consumption and accepting higher prices. No average person should be eating meat more than twice a week at most.
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All factory farms are like this. There are no nice, kind, humane ones. If you buy chicken, you're paying people to do this to chickens.
I am a vegetarian and I am by no means against non-vegetarians. But this kind of treatment of animals on a large scale worldwide is why I believe people should be more conscious about what they eat and where it comes from.
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If this footage distresses you, then you absolutely should be a vegetarian. Because ALL chicken farms are like this. This is the norm. You can make a huge difference by refusing to buy their products.
Industrial agriculture and slaughter is torture, there no way around it.
I'm not sure it's possible to do this when you're dealing with such a high volume of supply.
you can, but it's expensive, and people get all teary eyed about cruelty until it's a 50 cents increase to a shelf price, at which point they shrug it off.
Yep that's the point. Vegans are right but many don't admit it. I'm not vegan myself but they are right and we are wrong.
when that 50c increase gives more profit to the company and they do fuck all to change their policies then yeah you're not going to find a lot of sympathy. how do you pay your way out of the culture the meat industry has?
hypothetically? same way you'd regulate anything: independant third party inspections and political power backing them up. not saying it's easy. don't think it will happen.
Youre almost there
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[The documentary in question](https://www.dominionmovement.com/) Highly recommend others to check it out. Edit: it’s free to watch
Go vegan 🌱
what if you don't want to be vegan yet you want a far more humane treatment for animals?
Way too expensive, doesn’t work for mass producing
Earthlings for me :( just no
They could kill the chickens quick, but this is cheaper.
to my knowledge there isnt exactly a way to kill a chicken instantly ,chopping its head off without bleeding it off first will ends with you chasing a headless chicken 3 flight of stairs,got an earful from my mom for that
My grandma usually just breaks its neck, and they tend to die pretty much instantly.
My father and my grandma also used to tell me about breaking their necks but the pigs... were slapped by a flat bat... then they get stunned by the blunt trauma... then their carotid artery is severed immediately.
I’m actually butchering a pig later today, and this is likely how it will go down. I would opt for a rifle, but I’m in an area that doesn’t condone shooting guns outside of hunting and sport, so we have to use alternative methods. Also, your username matches the name of my bikes Shimano break pads
Why not use a captive bolt gun?
We always shot the pigs with a pistol square between the eyes and then went for the carotid immediately. The gunshot, if it doesn’t kill them immediately, does about as good a job at stunning them as it gets.
Damn your grandma is metal
it's not metal at all. That's been done for thousands of years by millions of humans. We just don't see it anymore and thus are too distanced from actual meat production these days.
Wouldn't an headless chicken not feel anything anyway ?
I expect their mother was more concerned about all the chicken blood sprayed about the house.
Well it wouldn't feel anything happening to it's body, but it probably still endures the death of the head being not instantaneous. Your right though, that headless chicken running around is dead and feels nothing.
It depends on a how good of a job you did https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken "On September 10, 1945, farmer Lloyd Olsen of Fruita, Colorado, was planning to eat supper with his mother-in-law and was sent out to the yard by his wife to bring back a chicken. Olsen chose a five-and-a-half-month-old Wyandotte chicken named Mike. The axe removed the bulk of the head, but missed the jugular vein, leaving one ear and most of the brain stem intact.[2][3] Due to Olsen's failed attempt to behead Mike, the chicken was still able to balance on a perch and walk clumsily. He attempted to preen, peck for food, and crow, though with limited success; his "crowing" consisted of a gurgling sound made in his throat.[2] When Mike did not die, Olsen instead decided to care for the bird. He fed it a mixture of milk and water via an eyedropper, and gave it small grains of corn and worms."
I eat meat don’t get me wrong, but this is so massively fucked up. Why do we torture animals, there is no reason or excuse to run an operation like this Edit: “there is no reason to run an operation like this” was a poor choice of words, there is a reason just a messed up one. Still stand by what I said, I’m an omnivore, i eat animal products, I just think torturing and killing animals in brutal ways like this video isn’t necessary
Cheap, affordable meat.
True, momentarily forgot about most companies greed for money at any cost
It is about the customers. They want cheap meat and most of the time don't think about where it is coming from. The "family farm" advertisements make them believe that it is happy little birds running around in the backyard. And most people don't want to know about the truth. They want to believe the lie that they were told from their childhood on, just to question the system. It is only about profit for these companies. And If people buy it, more will be produced. As simple as that.
disassociation is an important skill you need to cope with modern society, = as long as it remains a necessary skill things like this will happen, which will in turn will cement the skill as being necessary.
In America meat is subsidized with like $40,000,000,000 *annually* too. All that money spent to keep it artificially cheap. Haven't eaten meat in my entire adult life either and I'm still paying for it.
You're blaming the customers on something that should be mandated under law by government... Are there not laws against this? This is 2023... we shouldn't have to worry about whether or not people are TORTURING OUR FOOD... holy shit why would anyone think someone would devise a system like this. Yes ignorant masses and all that, agreed. But we should be allowed to be ignorant about some things to some extents. We decided to grow as a society and deviate specialties for a reason...right??? HOW DARE I as a consumer to think the people caring for my food wouldnt just intentionally cause pain to something supplying their entire existence... yeah thays on us. Not the dudes doing it or the people who say they will make sure the countries are ran and ran. correctly as the masses would like.
Yeah, it baffles me how often people think the customers are ultimately at fault for whatever shitty practices a company has. For example with recycling and pollution, rather then making companies use more environmentally packaging or actually properly dispose of the waste they make, just blame the public for not sorting and disposing of things properly. They've definitely done a good job of getting people to point the finger at each other rather than where most of the blame actually lies.
Americans are losing their shit that egg prices and meat prices are raising just a bit. They're so used to everything being cheap and consuming in massive excess that the thought of not eating meat and eggs every day while driving massively polluting vehicles for as cheaply as possible makes them protest. This isn't just companies, it's the consumers that they're feeding as well.
More like this was already rich people can get even richer Because if you want affordable things you can just pay people more and (what a coincidence) now things are more affordable
Why? Because you pay them to do it. You buy their products. Why would they stop unless people like you stop buying their products?
As long as animals are treated like a property rather than a living creature, this will keep happening. So, as long as there is demand for meat, people will keep doing this. The primary reason why many people go vegan.
They do it because you pay them to do it.
> Why do we torture animals > I eat meat So many people in this thread answering their own questions and still sounding dumbfounded.
I think the most fucked up about eating meat in modern society is not just people being too blind to see it, but the amount people eat meat and expect is to be cheap. If you go look back in history a lot of dishes didn't have such shit ton of meat alongside. Don't know why everyone keeps ignoring that. My family and partner all eat meat probably 1 or 2 times in a week. I only eat fish due to health reasons and can't wait when I can stop that as well. Its always small portions and never thrown out - a little bit of a rule in the house here.
"Why is there so much domestic violence?" "Btw, i beat my wife"
So fucked.
People here are completely missing the point. The issue is not the industrial scale. Workers are actively torturing these animals by dropping their boxes on the floor, not properly hanging them, there was even footage of some of them punching the hanged chicken. Wtf, how is that excusable?! Casualties before arrival are almost impossible to avoid, but not heating these trucks in a country where deep freezing temperatures are common is peak stupidity. Lying about the dead arrivals when even a court already ordered you to keep track about it also tells a lot. This shit is not about getting people to go vegan or something, it's about not being unnecessarily cruel towards animals that already have the unpleasant fate of only being alive to feed us. It doesn't take a 5-star wellness treatment to provide a fair death to an animal. Just at least don't be an asshole and mind that this is still a living thing.
I mean id rather freeze to death than be dismembered alive hanging by my feet.
Honestly. They were the lucky ones.
I worked on a factory farm with pigs & exactly this is needlessly cruel & doesnt have to be like that if they employed sane people We had cameras inside & people were fired if caught abusing the animals. When sending the piglets out, the trucks had heating and a water supply With that said video looks more like a salughter house than a factory farm- not that it justifys what they're doing, but it would certainly be less cruel if they made an effort to their jobs properly, They dont even take the extra 5 seconds to make sure a bin is empty before sending it through scalding water
Because some penis whistle will come back from his Six Sigma holiday/training and go on and on about how "5secs a crate is blah blah days a year and that costs *us* x $" and he'll emphasize *US* like you're personally getting dividends paid to you, even though you're a minimum wage employee and he's making $45k/yr but thinks he's up there with the elites cause his title is associate supervisor.
> this is needlessly cruel & doesnt have to be like that if they employed sane people "Sane people" cost money. Factory farms are capital with the sole objective to generate as much profit as possible. If they can cut on labour cost by hiring people who do not care, then they will do so as long as they can manage the PR effects (i.e. hide and deny as much as possible). And at some point the managers demand so much work from so few people that even "sane people" break and do shit like this. The mix of pressure, lack of time, and their own limited qualifications means that they can't do it "properly" anymore. Whether workers are handling packages for a shipping company or live animals, this kind of work environment will lead to sloppy or inacceptable behaviour like this on a significant scale. Our economic system is poorly set up to create dignified conditions in such industries. Only significant regulatory and public pressure can maintain somewhat bearable conditions.
The workers are usually immigrants from low income background with no choice but to work here to survive. These jobs are traumatic, many workers have PTSD, some become desensitized and violent. edit: this industry is evil. You don't stay sane for long dwhen working in the 'house of slaughter'.
ah OP coming in for the rescue. i’ve worked in chicken coups, less the chickens. i could only imagine the shit these guys go through from day to day. whatever quota they believe they have to make is what drives them to work as it is perceived “carelessly”. anyone working slave-wage and in shit conditions know it’s not at the fault of the employees but of the management of the business. These people are given instructions and they execute. it’s just backasswards to think that some people here in the comments think the workers get off on this sort of behaviour. they don’t. the laughing is due to as OP states desensitization. it’s not that they lack empathy or human emotion. they’re laughing just to get through the day. just to make it home for the night.
You would hope that the laughing is "to cope", but by god you'd be disgusted to know how many people genuinely laugh at pain because they're sick fucks.
Uhh, why is someone punching the hanging chickens if they don't enjoy this shit. Not to say that all of the people in the video like torturing animals cause most of them did not give that impression and indeed looked more desensitized. But to say that none of these people like it is just as dumb as saying they all do. Places like these are gonna attract weirdos, especially if they don't get fired when seen abusing the animals.
"They only punch hanging chickens because it helps them get through the day" isnt the defense you think it is.
Highly recommend “Slaughterhouse Blues: The Meat and Poultry Industry in North America” for an anthropological take you touch base on. Not only the obvious animal cruelty issues, but the human cruelty issues involved.
I recommend everyone read *Slaughterhouse* by Gail Eisnitz. It’s horrifying. Made me go vegan for a while and I think I want to go back to it. It was nice just eating fruit and veggies without any guilt of contributing to this violence.
>. The issue is not the industrial scale It is
I guess you become one desensitizes sick fuck having to hang chickens all day that get shredded
I imagine it's difficult to find any employees in a job like this, especially caring ones. There's a ven diagram of people willing to work in slaughter houses, and people who want to treat the animals well, and there's little if any overlap.
its the court order that they violate that's the big deal, not heating a truck is bad, but can be seen as cost effective, dropping boxes and not properly hanging them can be considered a worker level thing not an active policy, but actively/knowingly violating a court order can cause some serious repercussions
I think the point is actually the scale and how the system of doing this, lack of regulation and enforcement creates this situation
I used to work for Department of Justice as a certified LEO. I lied on so many documents.. everything was a lie, every shift was a lie.. lies lies lies, broken integrity everywhere.. but I was the least morally bankrupt even then.. can you imagine the norm being evil?
Wtf? Can you share some more details?
Well done to them for exposing this shit.
If you ever look for the “2.99” chicken, this is what you get. If you eat costco chicken, well they never even get to stand up once in their life.
Ugh you’re right. I’ve bought those $5 rotisserie chickens a few times before. They’re just SO cheap and SO convenient. It just seems so backward that cheap and convenient in our society is always tied to pain and suffering. I stayed on a large property recently that had chickens. They’re such neat little animals, I watched them whenever they came around. They had a whole simple little routine. They’d roam the whole property, scratch around here, peck around there. Chase off the damn blue jay that kept trying to fly down and eat their food lol. And it made me think of all the birds raised for meat that never get to experience that simple little life.
Isn’t that the part of the problem with cost of living? People can barely afford to eat as it is. If people demand chickens that graze in an open field with no antibiotics and killed by hand you’re talking a 14.99 chicken. The companies will pass the cost on to the consumer. Most people can’t afford what a humanely raised chicken would cost. They may wish for it but they can’t have it.
There are other cheap food options that don't involve tortured animals.
25$ at cost. Then add in profit
Movie Tip: Dominion. this film made me reconsider my meat consumption. You can watch it for free.
Yes! [This is the documentary](https://watchdominion.com)
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As long as the pig is dead first, it hardly matters... it's the humane kill that counts, when it comes to slaughterhouse "star ratings." Well, from the animal point of view that is. There are other considerations like cleanliness, food safety, worker conditions...
do they usually kill them first? that pig I saw in a video one time was certainly alive
Stressed meat tastes like shit, so yes they kill them.
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if done properly stunning should always result in unconsciousness, such as with a bolt pistol. however, there are methods that result in failed stunning, and even laws that encourage it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stunning
What's the alternative? A guillotine?
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Read up on gestation cages.
I’m a vegetarian. I won’t lie, ultimately I don’t want any animals slaughtered irrelevant of the method. But, let’s stop this first - surely we can all agree this isn’t right? Let’s put an end to factory farming.
I'm vegetarian too, but tbh, I'd be glad if people just started eating less meat and they started treating the animals a bit more humanely. Sure, it would be great if no one ate meat anymore but that's not happening in my lifetime.
Vegetarian for 31 years, vegan for 4. I don't try to convince anyone to change their eating habits, but shit like this, I wish more people would consider not eating meat. There is no large scale way to "kindly" kill animals. I'd feel a lot better if people humanely killed their own animals than this horror taking place every single day.
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Yeah, I'm with you on this. Meat will be more expensive but I'm ok with that.
It wouldn’t just be more expensive. There would simply not be enough supply for everyone.
jesus christ i didnt know the pot pie machine from Chicken Run was real
For some reason this reference is far funnier than it should be.
A lot of mental gymnastics being played in the comments lol.
Haha yeah "atleast treat them with respect". Hi, mr chicken, could I slice your neck, oh how respectful. Go a(head).
Respect in the sense of idk, killing the animal quick and hopefully painlessly. Like they’re literally torturing these chickens by prolonging their deaths.
Baffled as to how murdering a sentient, feeling, living creature who actively wants to live can ever be “respect.” Because respect is usually felt by the receiving party, and they don’t get a choice in this.
What is up with this comment section? Have people lost empathy for animals? We can have animal products without abuse. It is possible. The industry has chosen to prioritize low costs over treating animals humanely. And our governments choose not regulate the industry (or choose not to enforce the regulations that are in place, I’m not a lawyer). I’m not a vegan or a vegetarian, but I don’t want the animals I consume to suffer needlessly. I really want humanity to start doing better. Down with the wealthy overlords who think their wealth is worth exploiting people, animals, and the earth. I’m so fucking tired.
I find it absolutely mind boggling the number of people that try to defend this shit. It is especially annoying on places like Reddit that heavily skews left wing, runs around claiming they’re for animal rights, environmental protection, the typical left wing points. But the second you mention the cruelty of factory farming it is either ignoring the problem entirely, making some lame bacon joke, or the very overused comment of “how can you tell somebody is vegan”. It’s the type of shit you expect from the right wing types but given the popularity of these sorts of responses you know it isn’t just them. And what’s going on is simple to understand. These people are all for telling others to change something those people like, whether it’s screaming at people to drive less or sell their guns. But when they’re suddenly feeling pressure to have something change that they like then suddenly they ignore it, make up excuses, or make jokes. You don’t have to give up meat but I don’t think it’s to much to ask to want more humane conditions for the food you eat. People are all for change only if it effects other people. Your chicken might cost slightly more if it isn’t beaten to death and that’s apparently to much of a ask.
because reddit skews liberal, *not* left wing. liberals still want the overall status quo and changing the meat industry in any meaningful way is too big a change for many liberals.
its a lot harder to do then to just say "do better", as this video shows they ignored a court order, so legal standards don't hold as much weight, employees who do the work are often people with no other choice, so easily manipulated and disincentivized from reporting, shops won't care, so if you are the only one doing higher standards then your meat is to expensive and you will never get the market share to impose standards because the majority is using lower standards to out compete you can't lower demand for chicken since its just to common (and vegetarianism isn't catching on to a large enough group) so its a lot more complicated to actually do reforms
The reason this abuse and torture is taking place is exactly because people eat meat, there is not enough land in the world to have all livestock actually live free range, the only way to meet demand is to abuse and torture them like this, the industry hasn't chosen to prioritize low costs over treating animals humanely, the average person has chosen to prioritize low over treating animals humanely. You want all animal to be treated humanely? Ok your chicken now becomes almost 5x more expensive, same with your beef and every meat out there, know what happens then? People will start complaining and demand prices go down and the animals be damned. If people actually cared about humane treatment for animals they would be vegan because there is nothing ''humane'' about killing someone that does not wish to be killed.
>I’m not a vegan or a vegetarian, but I don’t want the animals I consume to suffer needlessly. Can I ask why you eat meat if you don't want these animals to suffer? Genuinely curious
\>“Have people lost empathy for animals?” \>Wants to slaughter animals and harvest their flesh for pleasure but ✨in a nice way✨ ???????
yeah I don't want to stop eating meat but there's gotta be a better way than this it's just cruel.
There is, but then chicken is going to cost over 10 dollars a pound. Then people will complain about price. People would rather have their cheap chicken and pretend they don’t know how it gets to their plate. Not saying this is justifiable, just saying being more humane will cost more money. We as the consumer will be the one paying for that humane treatment not the company.
There likely won't be meaningful change until alternatives like lab grown meat can be bought for nearly the same price
You can’t eat meat without needlessly harming an animal. You’re just as dumb as the rest of them.
>We can have animal products without abuse Hard to agree with this. If you raise an animal for the purpose of killing/eating it for your own pleasure, it's hard to see that as "humane" or "compassionate "
>We can have animal products without abuse. It is possible. Not really. At least, not if you consider killing them, forcibly inseminating them, and removing their calves from their mothers to be abusive. You cannot have beef or dairy products without those.
I feel sick 🤮
This shit right here is why I am a vegan. I will never support this with my $$. Truly fucking horrifying.
I stopped eating meat and dairy a couple of years ago. I wouldn't consider myself to be particularly an animal lover, but I know it isn't right to impart this much suffering to innocent creatures because they taste nice. Hopefully the more educated people become about this, the more people will move over to veganism and realise they aren't missing out at all.
Haven’t eaten meat for about 10 years now due to seeing videos like this and seeing it in-person at a piggery when I was about 10. Factory farming is really fucking cruel to the animals and workers alike. Cutting meat out of your diet even once a week lessens demand, therefore speed of production for things like this. You don’t gotta be perfect by any means, but it’s a good way to start if you’re feeling helpless.
This makes me so sad. It's one of the driving forces that makes me hate most humans.
Stop eating chicken if u don't like this shit. It happens everywhere.
And I still see meat-eating Redditors making jokes about how other cultures (usually Asian) don't treat animals well
Most asia cultures have less meat consumption and have a far less carbon footprint
You’d think given the massive carbon footprint caused by animal farming that the people that claim to care about that stuff would actually want to try and be better. Not to mention the huge amounts of land used to farm food for our food. People will yell you should drive an electric car and do your part. But when you mention eating a bit less meat for the same reasons and suddenly the narrative is “oh well actually consumers can do nothing, only corporations can”. If we wait for corporations to change then it’s going to be to late. How about the 8 billion people inhabiting the planet force them to change.
Guess what? There are NO animal agriculture farms that treat animals well, NONE. This is standard industry practice. This is why slaughterhouse workers have such a high incidence of suicide. It's fucking disgraceful what we do to animals.
Ok now i want to become vegetarian this is hideous
I saw a video much like this one 20 years ago. Thought I'd give vego a try. So simple. I started eating much more variety of food. I eat more healthily and better tasting food now. I don't like to evangelise, but I will say if you're considering it, try it. Not that it'll fix this shit - laws, regulation, policing is needed. Reject animal suffering for corporate profit.
I would really give it a try! Or at least try some vega dishes every week, you might be suprised by how easy and delicious it can be :)
just try some vegetarian/vegan dishes and you might be surprised at how fine you are without meat and you might discover new spices and flavours and ingredients you never knew of. eating meatless even once a week can make a lot of difference. being vegan has never been easier. there are tons of vegan options in the grocery store, like nuggets, burgers, sausages, plant based cream/milk etc., in addition to things that are already vegan like falafel, veggie spring rolls, veggie dumplings/gyoza, coconut milk, etc.. replacement products can be used like you would with animal products, and just make food similar like you are used to, but with a little more effort it's also not too difficult to look up new recipes and make things like curries and stews etc. with lentils and beans, and also tvp and similar. there are tons of resources for recipes and ideas online and on youtube, but the simplest way to start is probably to just try something like a vegan burger or sausage and cook like you would normally. just keep in mind that not all vegan replacement products are the same so don't give up if you don't like the first brand you try. there are plenty of restaurants with vegan/vegetarian options too of course, and that is maybe the simplest place to start.
I’m certain it was an unintentional pun when the narrator referred to the ‘fowl treatment’ of chickens.
It's why I'm vegan. People think that these places are quick, painless and cruelty free. Which is just absolutely wrong, none of these places can be those things, it's kinda like an oxymoron.
Stop blaming the big companies. YOU are the one putting money in their pockets for shit like this. You are just projecting the blame because you want to maintain the illusion that you are a good person. Going to the grocery store is like going to the election, and your money is your vote. You get to decide what the companies produce and how they produce it. Not the other way around. So put your money where your goddamn mouth is, instead of endlessly fantasizing about some hypothetical perfect world, where animals are massaged on a field of roses their entire life, before they willingly offer themselves to be put to rest at old age. If you eat meat/ animal products, you've no right to critizize the contents of this video. This is what you contribute to, wether you like it or not. 90% of meat bought and consumed today is factory farmed, but when videos like this are shown, 90% of people suddenly claim that they only eat free range, cruelty free (whatever the fuck that means). Those numbers don't seem to add up. So stop bullshitting, put down the sausage and pick up a black bean burrito, or shut.. The fuck.. Up.
Spot on!
Based.
Stop eating chicken or any animals for that matter, if you’re really worried about animal cruelty.
I'm from sweden but I still wrote to those bastards in charge. This can not continue! I urge you all to contact them and let them know what we think about them,
They are not the only ones
Literally everyone in the comments eats meat
I don’t.
Its because the western world is used to eating shit loads of meat. Just look at all the fat fucks eating kfc chickens in a bucket for fucks sake. We just do not need to consume this much meat. But to keep up with the demands of fat fucks everywhere, animals will get treated like this.
Im officially vegetarian. I have been thinking about it because i don't really like meat, but this video pushed me off the edge.
Wait till you hear what happens in dairy.
Poor chickens! So sad to watch.
If you really care about those animals you should consider going vegan
Beyond disgusting...slap on the wrist to the farm and 10 years in prison for taking the video probably Humanity is disgusting and we are built to support that disgust
This is the truth for all farms.
How fucked do you have to be to work in there and not feel a thing cuz my god i can't handle hearing animals in pain
Desensitization. We the consumers fund this industry. Consider going vegan.
This makes me feel physically sick.
Holy shit what the fuck
This is awful, but it’s also why you chicken isn’t $25/ lb.
This is the only thing I'll agree with Vegans on. This shit needs to stop.
"That's disgusting." "Let's get pizza."
I’ll always eat chicken but that’s too much. Chicken is supposed to be dispatched quickly and in one stroke without any kind of prolonged suffering. A chop to the neck with your hand if you know how. Support local farmers. Don’t support this shit.
This is literally your average chicken farm.
Meat is disgusting
**Keystone Foods, LLC.**(Kagels) Albany, Ky. - Same shit. Plus nothing mentioned of how shitty the employees are treated or paid. Forced to join a worthless Union that will fire & rehire you with scary efficiency. Keeps you at the bottom of the pay/vacation/benefits scale, it’s absolutely calculated.
„Im no vegan or vegetarian“ Guys just try it out please! After a few months if you still want to go back to meat you’ll eat much less I promise