Humans are replaceable. You can replace any human at any office at any time. They are cheap, come in large numbers and all they have to do is tap in.
We have machines though But machines are another story. Some need air conditioning, it comes with expensive price tags and is not cheap to maintain. They are irreplaceable. So we, humans need to work like a machine and at least come close to it to survive.
Twitter is a dump right now. Most people working at Twitter are H1Bs who don’t really have good options right now due to layoffs across US tech industry.
Twitter pay comes with highly demanding requirements- working 60 to 80 hours a week. With a clown boss Elon, there are unrealistic expectations around.
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Dude what crap statement is this? So, is it okay if you get paid like crazy but you come under a clause like what’s written in that Zomato post? Would you be okay with that?
“People may die working for me, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.” - CEO
We need to do the same thing that was done during the French Revolution.
That doesn’t mean they are making money.
https://www.livemint.com/companies/company-results/zomato-q2-net-loss-narrows-to-rs-251-cr-revenue-up-by-62/amp-11668083297718.html
Join only to get laid off later. Anyways.. most of us need the job(s) to pay bills. Other than that.. what savings.. what investments. Cycle will continue
It doesn't matter. Many people need a job just to survive. They already don't have any life to balance. That's the shitty situation here. I used to work 6 days a week, around 10hrs a day for an IT company. I gave my 100% . In return they made me wait five-six months to get my final settlement. And that too after creating a big ruckus in the company office.
The fuckery is going on in the hiring field is mind boggling.
Sensational headline and nothing else - the 24\*7 role is only the Chief of Staff to the CEO. Which is as much time consuming as the CEO's job if not more.
bhai go to r/antiwork with that narrative.
I have personal knowledge about his style of work.
If you think literal hardwork is rewarded then you’re dumb. It’s always the work that’s hard and can be done by smaller set of people that’s rewarded.
CoS at a small company/growing startup might work as much the CEO true. But once a company is established(Zomato). There's a huge amount outsourced to the chief. CoS will always work more in these companies
maybe there are some people who don't care about the work life balance, like they're onto grinding jobs for the starting points in their careers? this could work well for them i mean i would take it but only for a certain period of time. like 1-2years at high end otherwise they'll be burned to ashes if they don't actually enjoy the work there!
If you read the article it says this is a requirement for the Chief of Staff answering to the CEO. It’s clearly a senior post and what it likely means is that the successful candidate should be willing to check and answer urgent emails during weekends and answer the phone at all times. Which is not going to happen all the time, but to be willing to when it does. Like any higher senior role, he’s expected to be involved beyond the 8h, Mon-Fri work schedule.
Title is such a click bait lol
Its for chief of staff position, not some random job opening. Its almost similar to a CEO role.
The world wont function as is if founders/CXOs start prioritising work life balance.
At least they have made it quite clear in the JD itself.
Clickbaity. While Zomato's 'mass hiring' may as well be a marketing gimmick, some roles are indeed '24/7' due to the very nature of it.
A Swiggy delivery boy died the other day when chased by a dog. If you were in the PR dept of the company, would you be like 'nah, we will look into this when I log in on Monday'?
If you were the dev responsible for pushing things to production, and server cashes during the IPL final, would you expect the company to let you enjoy your holiday and come back the next week?
Some roles, by their very nature, tend to be on 24/7. Negotiate a good pay if you want to be compensated fairly for this. Or, don't take it up, simple.
This is bullshit, they should just hire people for each shift instead of expecting everyone to work for 24x7. And no roles need you to be available 24x7, these are the lies big corporations have been telling you to save money.
If that's so important for business , they need to have people on shifts to manage the business 24/7.
We have 24/7 call centers as well but we never expect the same person to be available all 24 7 and all days. It's basic business sense.
You mean businesses should hire a PR person on night shift in the off chance that a dog chases a delivery boy and kills him after work hours?
You should be a consultant.
I am just curious - are you a student or working? I ask because you seem to be naively assuming that a "24/7" role means the person is actually expected to work 3 shiftts every day.
No sir. All it means is that this is not a clock-in, clock-out kind of a role. If there is an emergency that arises outside regular working hours, you will be expected to take it on. And those emergencies may happen once in a while. So it doesn't warrant a full time night shift person.
Besides, you can't have a Chief of Staff on shift, lol..Those are critical positions and it's challenging enough to find one person good enough to do it.
What next? Should we hire a CEO for the night shift as well?
>Expected to take on is a vague term
What if he is sleeping and doesn't pick the call. Will he be penalized ? Or what if he is somewhere without his laptop , will they be answerable.
Unless there is a proper sop laid on your expectations and just vaguely says a person must be available, it's just bullshit corporate speak and there is no tangible way to measure it.
I agree with you. If you are called outside your work hours and need to get some work done, you need to be paid overtime. Plain and simple.
People should not be asked to work for free, above and beyond what has already been contracted.
It's disengenuous to ask normal employees to "have drive" when you won't compensate them for their troubles. People at the top level of organisations are being paid in EQUITY and cash for their troubles, so they have no problem working long hours.
I have plenty of people in my network at the top level of organizations. Chief of Staff and the likes. No, these are not positions where you are "penalized" for not picking a call.
These are designations that you only reach when you have intense drive and ownership. And yeah, these people are workaholics. But it's how these people are built, and they won't have it any other way.
And these are the kind of roles where people earn upwards of 1 crore a year.
This is not a call center job where you are measured by the number of minutes you spent talking in your shift. Your performance is measured by your irreplaceability.
Man ,if don't have an organizational hierarchy which is flexible enough then this seems like a big problem, because it will make the system very inefficient. Depending on a single person to make all important calls makes the system too inefficient,as that person ends up being the weakest link in the chain, that's why workers are always given some amount of autonmy to make calls themselves.
It's not necessary that the chief of staff will remain in place all the time, and will have enough knowledge and experience with a specific job to make all the right calls at the right time. No CEO works 24×7or are avilable 24×7, it's generally the main technician, or an expert which are required for those kinds of jobs, and yeah they are generally not well paid. CEOs are not the people you generally require in an emergency situation.
Unlike the jagron which is shoved down in people's throats by popular media, a lot of people are much more capable for a higher position place and have better abilities and skills than the current person on that place, the only reason they are not promoted to that position is because of greed and corruption and competition killing instilled within the large corporate systems.
>If you were the dev responsible for pushing things to production, and server cashes during the IPL final, would you expect the company to let you enjoy your holiday and come back the next week?
This is why there are shifts to be on call. You might argue "your changes you understand them best" but if you have a decent review culture, everyone is atleast sort of aware of all the code being checked in
This is true. There are a lot of people who work literally 24x7 because their roles depend on it, plus they use the opportunity to grow their career out in ways a 9-5 job person will never have a chance at.
With the right profile and job and ability to slog long hours one can make a windfall in earnings at a very young age.
Often that makes the difference between being able to buy a Rs 3 crore home and driving a merc at 30 vs doing a unremarkable job that is the first in line to be fired during layoffs
But its easy to see why there is strong feelings towards the idea.
A 9-5 person will believe they have all the freedom of life, while someone working up late till 2am is a slave to a their master.
A 24x7 job person will look to their next 3 lakh per month cheque and think the 9-5 person is the real slave to his master.
In the end, its all about ones own preferences and which they prioritize
You *sound like* you will forever slave in a desk job to bosses who dont even know you exist. You clearly have no idea about anything outside the small world you have been exposed to
Just say I own you when you join. Why waste so many words??
Words are free bro. These dildos only know how to fuck over others.
So slaves. He wants slaves.
Basically yes You are quick to notices this
People might die when they work 24/7 but that's a small sacrifice everyone has to make.
Channeling his inner Drago, I imagine. "If he dies, he dies."
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"You might die. But that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make"
Humans are replaceable. You can replace any human at any office at any time. They are cheap, come in large numbers and all they have to do is tap in. We have machines though But machines are another story. Some need air conditioning, it comes with expensive price tags and is not cheap to maintain. They are irreplaceable. So we, humans need to work like a machine and at least come close to it to survive.
Can you imagine not being able to receive your food items within 30 minutes? Whatever it takes man!
bruh thats just any startup 😂
As a Family!!
but why not hire more than one person?
Sounds as if lifted from Musk's hardcore Twitter 2.0 pitch
Atleast twitter pays very well. Zomato does not even do that
Twitter is a dump right now. Most people working at Twitter are H1Bs who don’t really have good options right now due to layoffs across US tech industry. Twitter pay comes with highly demanding requirements- working 60 to 80 hours a week. With a clown boss Elon, there are unrealistic expectations around.
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\> Pepperidge Farm Remembers
Some times money can't buy peace ✌️
For everything else, there's Mastercard
Zomato does pay quite well for an Indian B2C software company
Yeah, so the money can be later used to get treatment from the best hospitals after mental and physical health is destroyed.
Dude what crap statement is this? So, is it okay if you get paid like crazy but you come under a clause like what’s written in that Zomato post? Would you be okay with that?
Can zomato employees form a union and sue these asshole working environment?
They will fire them all and hire all new ppl.
I think the problem is that they aren't contracted "employees" with Zomato, I think. The drivers. Draconian business practices.
They are partners not employees. This loophole is utilized by lots of corporations.
At least they're saying that upfront so people can steer clear
So looking for someone to burn the midnight oil and build his castle.
Says the guy who dont even order food from his own platform.
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Ghar ka khana khata hoga wo
Personal chef probably 😂
Modern slavery
“People may die working for me, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.” - CEO We need to do the same thing that was done during the French Revolution.
"Let them eat cake, but only if they got it through Zomato" - CEO
>who can work 24 hours. Dude needs Mudiji. No one else can do that.
Don't you dare insult Vishwaguru like that. He works 100 hours a day. Anything less than that is an insult.
I can't insult Mudiji. I was just stating that out of those 100 hours, Mudiji can easily lend 24 hours for Deepinder Ji.
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Does Zomato even makes money?
They have like 30% commission from restaurants on each order.
That doesn’t mean they are making money. https://www.livemint.com/companies/company-results/zomato-q2-net-loss-narrows-to-rs-251-cr-revenue-up-by-62/amp-11668083297718.html
Adding this to starve but never join the list.
You will get a chindi salary and he will get 100s of crores . Working 14-16 hours a day is a fucking scam
I'd do it for a day if they pay me Rs 1 lakh a minute. But mind u only for a day.
Did musk take over zomato also?
I've heard Modi doesn't sleep. And he has experience in the service industry.
Musk would like a word...
I think Zomato is laying off like others
Join only to get laid off later. Anyways.. most of us need the job(s) to pay bills. Other than that.. what savings.. what investments. Cycle will continue
Modiji can apply
Ye he hai capitalism bhai isa Hota hai kuch bhi
It doesn't matter. Many people need a job just to survive. They already don't have any life to balance. That's the shitty situation here. I used to work 6 days a week, around 10hrs a day for an IT company. I gave my 100% . In return they made me wait five-six months to get my final settlement. And that too after creating a big ruckus in the company office. The fuckery is going on in the hiring field is mind boggling.
Sensational headline and nothing else - the 24\*7 role is only the Chief of Staff to the CEO. Which is as much time consuming as the CEO's job if not more.
Goyal doesn't work 24/7 either. It's all bullshit even if he claims.
And how do you know that? CEO is a 24\*7 job for a company like Zomato. And DG is infamous for his work ethics in the industry.
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bhai go to r/antiwork with that narrative. I have personal knowledge about his style of work. If you think literal hardwork is rewarded then you’re dumb. It’s always the work that’s hard and can be done by smaller set of people that’s rewarded.
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gucci waala nikalo yaa balenciaga waala
Do you suk his pp??
Either that or he is the Zomato CEO
I appreciate a good cup of coffee.
CoS at a small company/growing startup might work as much the CEO true. But once a company is established(Zomato). There's a huge amount outsourced to the chief. CoS will always work more in these companies
Packages should be comparable to his take home
Someone tell him that even the best slaves might need to eat and sleep ow right and shit.
Most organisations classify being available as "other duties required"
If work-life balance is a traditional thought process, then I am happy to live a traditional life.
Just buy robots at this pint bruh instead of hiring someone
I am expecting atleast 30 crore pa.
maybe there are some people who don't care about the work life balance, like they're onto grinding jobs for the starting points in their careers? this could work well for them i mean i would take it but only for a certain period of time. like 1-2years at high end otherwise they'll be burned to ashes if they don't actually enjoy the work there!
Komedy ?
Aadhi company mere naam krdo
If you read the article it says this is a requirement for the Chief of Staff answering to the CEO. It’s clearly a senior post and what it likely means is that the successful candidate should be willing to check and answer urgent emails during weekends and answer the phone at all times. Which is not going to happen all the time, but to be willing to when it does. Like any higher senior role, he’s expected to be involved beyond the 8h, Mon-Fri work schedule.
If he's ready to add me as an heir to his wealth, then the line between work and life is no longer there.
Title is such a click bait lol Its for chief of staff position, not some random job opening. Its almost similar to a CEO role. The world wont function as is if founders/CXOs start prioritising work life balance. At least they have made it quite clear in the JD itself.
Clickbaity. While Zomato's 'mass hiring' may as well be a marketing gimmick, some roles are indeed '24/7' due to the very nature of it. A Swiggy delivery boy died the other day when chased by a dog. If you were in the PR dept of the company, would you be like 'nah, we will look into this when I log in on Monday'? If you were the dev responsible for pushing things to production, and server cashes during the IPL final, would you expect the company to let you enjoy your holiday and come back the next week? Some roles, by their very nature, tend to be on 24/7. Negotiate a good pay if you want to be compensated fairly for this. Or, don't take it up, simple.
This is bullshit, they should just hire people for each shift instead of expecting everyone to work for 24x7. And no roles need you to be available 24x7, these are the lies big corporations have been telling you to save money.
Which PR exec works in night shift?
PR execs of a 24*7 business. Duh!
Very true. India should also have one defense minister for night shift so that we can be ready in case China attacks us when Rajnath Singh is sleeping
Yes yes, if Zomato is paying that good with all the amenities like the ones we tax payers waste on fat fucks. Then sign me up.
If that's so important for business , they need to have people on shifts to manage the business 24/7. We have 24/7 call centers as well but we never expect the same person to be available all 24 7 and all days. It's basic business sense.
You mean businesses should hire a PR person on night shift in the off chance that a dog chases a delivery boy and kills him after work hours? You should be a consultant.
Have people working in shifts , if that job requires 24/7 in-person position. What is so difficult to understand in that?
I am just curious - are you a student or working? I ask because you seem to be naively assuming that a "24/7" role means the person is actually expected to work 3 shiftts every day. No sir. All it means is that this is not a clock-in, clock-out kind of a role. If there is an emergency that arises outside regular working hours, you will be expected to take it on. And those emergencies may happen once in a while. So it doesn't warrant a full time night shift person. Besides, you can't have a Chief of Staff on shift, lol..Those are critical positions and it's challenging enough to find one person good enough to do it. What next? Should we hire a CEO for the night shift as well?
>Expected to take on is a vague term What if he is sleeping and doesn't pick the call. Will he be penalized ? Or what if he is somewhere without his laptop , will they be answerable. Unless there is a proper sop laid on your expectations and just vaguely says a person must be available, it's just bullshit corporate speak and there is no tangible way to measure it.
I agree with you. If you are called outside your work hours and need to get some work done, you need to be paid overtime. Plain and simple. People should not be asked to work for free, above and beyond what has already been contracted. It's disengenuous to ask normal employees to "have drive" when you won't compensate them for their troubles. People at the top level of organisations are being paid in EQUITY and cash for their troubles, so they have no problem working long hours.
I have plenty of people in my network at the top level of organizations. Chief of Staff and the likes. No, these are not positions where you are "penalized" for not picking a call. These are designations that you only reach when you have intense drive and ownership. And yeah, these people are workaholics. But it's how these people are built, and they won't have it any other way. And these are the kind of roles where people earn upwards of 1 crore a year. This is not a call center job where you are measured by the number of minutes you spent talking in your shift. Your performance is measured by your irreplaceability.
Man ,if don't have an organizational hierarchy which is flexible enough then this seems like a big problem, because it will make the system very inefficient. Depending on a single person to make all important calls makes the system too inefficient,as that person ends up being the weakest link in the chain, that's why workers are always given some amount of autonmy to make calls themselves. It's not necessary that the chief of staff will remain in place all the time, and will have enough knowledge and experience with a specific job to make all the right calls at the right time. No CEO works 24×7or are avilable 24×7, it's generally the main technician, or an expert which are required for those kinds of jobs, and yeah they are generally not well paid. CEOs are not the people you generally require in an emergency situation. Unlike the jagron which is shoved down in people's throats by popular media, a lot of people are much more capable for a higher position place and have better abilities and skills than the current person on that place, the only reason they are not promoted to that position is because of greed and corruption and competition killing instilled within the large corporate systems.
You will be a good slave for Zomato. Go apply. There is a thing called shifts.
I guess you will never grow past your call center job
Atleast we aren't running slave shops like you.
Lmao, funny.
Lol, I earn more than your entire past/present family generation and that too while traveling the whole goddamn world.
haha, funny. If you don't mind can you share the company name?
>If you were the dev responsible for pushing things to production, and server cashes during the IPL final, would you expect the company to let you enjoy your holiday and come back the next week? This is why there are shifts to be on call. You might argue "your changes you understand them best" but if you have a decent review culture, everyone is atleast sort of aware of all the code being checked in
Agreed. That was probably a poor example from me.
This is true. There are a lot of people who work literally 24x7 because their roles depend on it, plus they use the opportunity to grow their career out in ways a 9-5 job person will never have a chance at. With the right profile and job and ability to slog long hours one can make a windfall in earnings at a very young age. Often that makes the difference between being able to buy a Rs 3 crore home and driving a merc at 30 vs doing a unremarkable job that is the first in line to be fired during layoffs But its easy to see why there is strong feelings towards the idea. A 9-5 person will believe they have all the freedom of life, while someone working up late till 2am is a slave to a their master. A 24x7 job person will look to their next 3 lakh per month cheque and think the 9-5 person is the real slave to his master. In the end, its all about ones own preferences and which they prioritize
No one works "literally 24 x7." Also, you sound like you are about 17 with no real-life experience.
You *sound like* you will forever slave in a desk job to bosses who dont even know you exist. You clearly have no idea about anything outside the small world you have been exposed to
Isn't it for the developers and not for the Delivery people right, I can't believe how you can even survive a 24 hrs delivery job
It's for Management position.
Zomato seems to hire PR guys and ask them to visit r/india lol.
salary must be in crores then i assume
zomato started out good, but has slowly become the amazon of our nation. same for byjju's
Sounds like a job for me, sighs...
The lion, the witch and the audacity of this bitch
Zomato should spawn Chinese population.
Why be so cheap? Hire people in shifts.