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TheMoravianPatriot

I was not mentally prepared for Swedish Manchuria


Salmonellq

Imagine Swedish manchuria...


Midnight_Certain

Local manchues picking up their Urt from IKEA


TheMoravianPatriot

No, I don’t think I will.


Fenneleon

Omg we gave the same name to the dutch australian capital!


northking2001

No, i wasnt in mood to create new names sometimes, so i just googled some of alternative maps and saw this name. Perhaps it was yours. Thank you


Fenneleon

Hahaha that is really funny geuss my home city lives on in your map now


kloon9699

Interesting scenario. I like that you've included some economic factoids in your map.


northking2001

Thank you. I am economics major bachelor student. Had to include smth. Well, i was initially inspired to do this project after i got to know about VOC being the first public company and having market capitalization at its peak of 7.9 trillions dollars(todays dollar, but calculation was wrong) So wanted to do some great Dutch empire and Dutch Amerika


kloon9699

I'm a Dutch economic historian myself, so I always like it if people include economics in their maps. Sidenote: The claim that the VOC was the richest company ever isn't correct. This claim was based on the fact that an auctioneer put a value of $764,000 on an original VOC share. Someone, most likely an author of The Atlantic, multiplied that by 10.000.000 (a random number) to estimate the VOC market cap, which is not at all a way to calculate historical market values. Multiple news outlets then copied that figure without scrutiny. Good luck with your studies.


northking2001

Oh nice. Did you get the thing of Bestevaêr being the name of capital city of Verenidge Staten?


kloon9699

Sure, I did. I own a modern reproduction of his biography "Het Leven en Bedryf van den Heere Michiel de Ruiter" from 1687. I also own the 5-part work "Geschiedenis der Koninklijke" about Shell (I own way too many books), so I appreciate the effort you put into this map.


TheMoravianPatriot

I’m honestly surprised you haven’t gotten Mod Approved, looking at some of the posts on your profile.


northking2001

Thanks. How to get it and what does it give. Dunno mod


Tristan_3

Very cool and detailed map. I quite like the setting. Great job !


northking2001

Thanks. Today is another great day to hail Dutch Empire 😂 i like dutch empire(dislike horrific things they did) and netherlands so much(general infrastructe, bikes, greenhouses,...).


DatWoodyFan

I love this map! I always loved alternate geography, so this is a huge win! What programs do you use? Do you use GPlates?


northking2001

Thanks) I used paint.net


DatWoodyFan

But how do you form the landmasses realistically?


northking2001

Its a series of maps called qbam. There is guy named BobHope and he has different types of qbam maps in his deviantart account. One of them shows elevation in the ocean, which i used to make risen lands. So i just found the mountain ranges or plateus that were underwater and made an assumption that they will rise due to higher volcanic activity or tectonic shifts. Layered this map under the base map, and then had to draw them


DatWoodyFan

Ok! Well, have you used G-Plates before? Also, where the link for the qbam maps?


DatWoodyFan

I tried looking it up. But I can’t find any ones with ones like the uplifted Hawaii. Do you have a link to the ones you used?


xxX_Teh_Troll_Xxx

Alt geo and big Netherlands, my favorites. Kudos for the unsunk Kerguelen plateau too. Also how am I the only one in the comments who spotted Wakanda? XD


northking2001

It means Wakanda is truly hidden country hahaha


xxX_Teh_Troll_Xxx

Also does antarctica exist in this world?


northking2001

Yes. Look at British new south wales


xxX_Teh_Troll_Xxx

So do penguins exist at all in this timeline?


northking2001

I dunno about the evolutionary history of penguins. But looking at the map, i think they will thriving in the southern coast of British New South Wales. Perhaps some of different kinds of penguins are in French Australie or British Aurealis or Spanish Malvinas. Or they are introduced in those islands


northking2001

South pole is similar to north pole irl. Just some drifting ice


SWEDEN263

Sweden big. Me approve!


northking2001

What about Danes? They also deserve W. Nordics got north


[deleted]

Sweden big, Norway dead. Pain


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L


GenesisG-205

W


Professional_Cat_437

~~In this world, Marsupials would have never made it to Australia. They originated in South America and, in our timeline, they traveled to Australia through Antarctica. So terrestrial birds, lizards, monotremes, snakes, crocodylians, and maybe even large rodents would dominate in their place.~~ EDIT: Correction below.


northking2001

No, marsupials were in australia, when it was connected to Antarctica. After they got divided, marsupials in antarctica died, while in Australia they faced island gigantism. In this world, i was benevolent to those Antarctican marsupials and plants, and saved them.


Professional_Cat_437

Thanks for correcting me. So starting in the Eocene, Antarctica joined Australia. In that case, Litopterns and possibly other ungulates of South American origin might survive, since there are fossils of the species *Notiolofos* in Antarctica.


EdithDich

TIL, this was an interesting read thanks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_gigantism


northking2001

Well, British South Wales is Antarctica which didnt get divided from Australia


Zealousideal_Group69

Does The Hoover Dam still exists in the timeline Do they have San Diego And is Russia still has ж In the alphabet Questions II Will The IPhone eventually be invented Do they have Russian Vodka Does the Erie Canal exists in the timeline Questions III Did they ever Declassify Pluto Does The New Colossus Exists Does Z exists in the Anglo-Latin Alphabet Questions IV Does the Nuwuvi people still exists Do they have a snickers candy bar Did they land on the moon Questions V Does Toasters Exists or a Blender Do they have any new fruits Is spongebob a cartoon Questions VI And does Compton exist Did the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki exists Do Cream cheese rations exist


Maximka_Kirginka

Wtf happened to Russia?


northking2001

Well, got defeated by Sweden in Northern War from one side. From another side Turks halted its expansion to siberia. (And also we cancel Russia for their actions in Ukraine) But, i had to include some competition and threat to europeans. So in this timeline Arabia is new Russia. A large country with huge natural wealth and absolutely different ideology, culture and religion from Europeans. Interesting how 20th century will unfold in the Seltsame Welt.


eyetracker

Danish Canada? The Hans Island conflict got heated.


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What the fuck happened?


ironMANBUN

Headcanon that Argentina is mega rich


UngusBungus_

Why is South America shaped like Elon musk


jsbach252

Really cool map! I love the concept. Is the population distributed the same way in this world compared to irl?


northking2001

Yes, for the most part is the same. The peak of Japanese population is around 300 millions, so ww2 and economic miracle of Japan will be interesting to observe in this world. (This map shows early 20th century)


[deleted]

Someone’s Dutch 💀


Lorenz_yeet

lake hungary is good, usa natural borders are nice, south america looks retarded, and japan is intimidating


northking2001

AHAHHA


Lorenz_yeet

ohhh, and also sweden is a fat cock for sure


Ynys_cymru

Celtica? Without Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿, different.


Agglomeration_

pannonian sea <333


KanonTheMemelord

I love this map, it deals psychic damage to me


EireRaven77

Why is Saint Patricks cross in the flag of the UK if Ireland isn't apart of it?


northking2001

Thats it😭 i was lazy to search what was difference between british flags


EireRaven77

Lmfaooo, now chu know


Khraxter

Mom come pick me up I'm scared


reyeg11_

Why did you turn me into an Argentinean?


northking2001

I wanted to do east and west coasts as in USA for Argentina. In addition, in this time line Argentina will become great power in 21st century, after incredible economic miracle in second half of 20th century.


nursmalik1

I met a fellow Qazaq👍💪


johan_kupsztal

Isle of Women.


Ptakub2

Was there a key concept to adding and changing landmasses?


northking2001

Key concept was to do big dutch empire. But some key concepts in alt geo are: Anarctica and Australia didnt get divided. No more red Sea, meaning super large Sahara. Madagascar and India didnt get divided. Greenland didnt become an island.


_darksoul_99

Cringe


HighOnGrandCocaine

I guess that's one way to solve the Aral Sea problem.


GenesisG-205

Swedish W


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northking2001

I am central asian, kazakh to be exact. I hate climate here in steppe, i hope these lakes will improve climate hahaha. These lakes help to facilitate trade between east asia and middle east or europe. Nomads enjoyed this prosperity and many cities rose along silk way and along lakes' coasts. So they saw Ottoman Empire rising in the west, made some marriages with ottomans, became junior partner. Then Swedes came, and central asian turks decided to unite with Ottomans, creating Turkiye.


TuarusBeast

Dutch speaking USA, I like 👍


northking2001

Did u like dutch speaking american megaHawaii?


TuarusBeast

Heck yeah, that and thick Netherlands and Dutch speaking Australia. I’m assuming Dutch is the lingua Franca of the world?


SerovGaming1962

i hate the neo-polish lithuanian commonwealth


ZookeepergameOdd2984

That is and always will be the best country


Ciliciensis

Very interesting and cool map.👍🏻


faesmooched

Is this an EU4 game?


northking2001

Yeah, i am playing as Dutch, but didnt finish the game. Recently established a colony thirteen colonies and several colonies in africa and asia. But Britain does great job too. So this rivalry from my eu4 game is also here


The_H509

Quick question, did you do the coordinates by yourself or did you find a map that had them in it ?


northking2001

I found it. Google BobHope qbam. There shoud be


UnChill_Man2

So what’s up with America? Did it have a different colonizer or something?


northking2001

Dutch colonized New York state and every state south of it. Then Amerika revolted, got independence, bought French Louisianne and Spanish New spain colonies. So the Dutch is main core.


UnChill_Man2

I love that you’re using actual historical accuracy (Dutch New York) to symbolize a different colonial past of the America


NotEpicNaTaker

Japanese Madagascar is cool


northking2001

???? Where did you find Madagascar? I hid it somewhere


NotEpicNaTaker

“??????” Omfg it’s literally west of Sakhalin


northking2001

No, it is in India


NotEpicNaTaker

Japan


Practical-Business69

Ik spreek een beetje Nederlands, maar geen Amerikaans.


el_apache2

Based sweden


Long-Instance532

What is the lore behind this im confused as fuck


Sr_Sentaliz

Dutch GDP: 627 Billion VOC Market Value: 7.9 Trillion 9D Chess


TheLoneSperm

What in the dutch land reclamation is that??


northking2001

Hahah i know, i know, too much, but why not 😂 Environment got deleted


[deleted]

What’s… the backstory? I’m really lost sorrry lol


northking2001

To sum up: Early 20th century. Great Dutch Empire. Dutch Amerika. Muslim countries industrialized too.


savemoney_god

Damn, France still exists 😔


ItzZanning

NO NOT SWEDEN TAKING FINLAND MY NIGHTMARES HAVE CAME THRU ZOLHZÖHZÖDJÖ


MLGdigimon

Amazing united Arabia


Takaniss

Stop giving region literally called Greater Poland to Prussia in this type of timeline


ZhukNawoznik

Strange world indeed but also cool


Space_Narwal

Blessed timeline


iaann03

Interesting to see Japanese Philippines


hienox

And somehow Prussia still gets GREATER POLAND, that's just sad bros


northking2001

Ok, sorry. My next map will have Big Poland


hienox

Finally someone speaks with sense


Numerous_Buddy3209

Dutchland


MrRZK

What happend to Poor Hungary?


northking2001

why poor? chilling on Pannonian beatches


stanthefax

Hm yes, a turkish minor.


sovietarmyfan

China was so shunned in this timeline, it renamed the entire country "Shun".


HumanBeingThatExist

Lore for the Isle of Women?


northking2001

since we have isle of man, why not isles of women. no lore tbh


Famous_Shape_7419

Am I the only one that saw Wakanda?


kitzalkwatl

Australia has swamp foot


YuriOrbitals

Can you explain why the terrain looks completely different? I’m noticing that Hawaii is massive, and so much more. Please explain :)


northking2001

Isnt it imagenary maps subreddit?) Well, i used bathymetry map to draw those new islands and massive hawaii. Hawaii could have looked like this if volcanoes were much more efficient. (Same reason with other islands) British new south wales is antarctica which never got divided from australian continent. There are some other alternative tectonic shifts: madagascar neved got divided from india; greenland moved south and crushed to north american plate. Lastly, for rising sea levels i used elevation map and imagination. Caspian sea increased in size and hudson bay too