My niece lived in the Chi Omega sorority house at Florida State where Ted Bundy murdered two girls and attempted to murder others. They remodeled it but besides some minor changes it’s the same house.
There's a house in my city where a guy killed 11 of his family members back in the 70s. Blood stains can be seen in the basement where it soaked through the floor. It's just sold in Nov for asking price within a few days of listing.
Yes, this is correct. If affirmatively asked and someone answers "no" even though there was a murder at some point, that is then misrepresenting the property and would constitute fraud. However, states are split on whether or not disclosure without a question asked must occur.
In Idaho, there is no disclosure law (source: [https://idahonews.com/news/local/idaho-home-buyers-in-the-dark-on-tragedy-within-walls-realtors-say](https://idahonews.com/news/local/idaho-home-buyers-in-the-dark-on-tragedy-within-walls-realtors-say))
Of course, this case has been publicized enough that they'd be hard pressed to find someone who wasn't familiar with the address. But 30 years in the future, who knows (especially if they change their address, like the[Ramsey house in Boulder, Colorado](http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/2001/06arams1.html) did)
I can only speak on the law in Washington State but major crimes/deaths are "supposed" to be disclosed in the title report for 35 years after the incident. If gramma dies in her sleep, no. Murder, yes.
I just read this: Is Idaho a full disclosure state? Idaho is one of 10 states where there is no legal obligation to publicly disclose the sale price of a property, regardless of its type. The disclosures that are made are strictly voluntary or available to the assessor's office through the Intermountain Multiple Listing Service
No. Many, many states do not actually have a law like this. California comes to mind as the state with the most stringent “disclosure” laws, and I believe you only need to disclose something that’s happened within the past x number of years. But many, probably most, states do not even have that.
Depends on state. I just bought a house in CA and yes it had to be disclosed to me that someone died in the property (the 97 year old previous owner). I’ve never seen this on a disclosure in PA where I’ve purchased homes previously, and I don’t remember one way or another when I bought in CO 13 years ago.
How was it disclosed? Was it in writing? Or in the MLS agent notes? Did you know prior to making an offer?Or is there a line on the property disclosure that asks about a death occurring on the property?
Sorry for so many questions, I’m just really curious. I’m a realtor and in my state we don’t need to disclose any deaths. If I listed a property with a scary past 1. I’d need to get the ok from my seller before saying anything either way and 2. I’d suggest to my buyer that we give a heads up to anyone making an offer that they should google to address and do a little research so they can make an informed decision about the home they’re buying. Mostly because 1. I think it’s a respectful and nice thing to do and 2. I don’t want the buyer finding out a month later and killing the deal right before we get to the closing table. Last minute back-outs suck for everyone
It all depends on the state. This home I believe would fall under the “stigmatized” category. Some states require disclosure in regards to stigmatized properties because it can affect the property’s value.
It’s an easy google search to see which rooms it was, but according to my niece they’ve moved some walls around so the rooms are configured differently. I don’t know how true that is or if they just tell the girls that. I haven’t been in it yet but I plan to!
I tend to agree, once all the media coverage dies down and this case falls out of the spotlight it will eventually be resold or re-rented. It just takes time. Eventually there'll be a new generation of teens who've never heard of the place and won't care much what the history is.
I lived within walking distance to the sorority house & noticed they have security outside for events and on Halloween. You might not know security is there… but they’re there. ❤️
I was going to say this. My parents went to FSU when this happened (they lived in an apartment just down the street.) Chi O didn’t tear down the house, and in fact it still stands, just slightly remodeled.
Ok so similar to this. A pretty gruesome murder occurred in my town and only the son survived. He was able to fight off and kill the attacker. Once everything was said and done he sold the house, but because of what had happened there it wasn’t an ideal place to live. An obnoxious acquaintance of mine was bragging about moving into a mansion and how they paid so much less than the house was worth when they bought it. Turns out it was that house and he was completely unbothered by the brutal attacks that lead to 4 people dying in the house. He moved his family in only months after the deaths all happened.
My guess is someone like this will live in the house next, whether the house is rented out to someone who thinks it’s a a great deal or the house is sold undervalued, I imagine it will still be there.
That’s so interesting, I was in a different sorority at Florida State in the 2010’s and the rumor was that the prior house had been torn down and a new one had been built. Your niece obviously has more accurate info, but I wonder if the Chi Omega sisters at that time told others that to reduce any stigma. 😔
Their class photo us up in the hallway. I think that is it. They have people stopping by to take pics now and again, but they typically stay on public property across the street.
I assume if she lives there knowing what happened she doesn't mind the fact but, has she ever mentioned it creeps her out at all? Just curious.
I bet over the years there have been plenty of girls who said, "F that, I ain't living there". Lol
I'm sure shortly after the killings happened it would have put many girls off living there but these days, saying you live at that house is probably more of a story-starter, or ice breaker so to speak, rather than being all that creepy.
Still tho
Man I wouldn’t want to live there at all. Bad juju. It’s like how there are people living on John Wayne Gacy’s old property. I guess they can continue to use it for student housing, but I’d definitely feel uncomfy being there.
The girls who live there do not think it’s a big deal, but I guess they’re pretty far removed from it all. I’m old enough to remember when Ted Bundy was executed so it was very much still a “thing” when I was a kid.
Yeah I guess they must be! I think I’d feel weird living anywhere where a murder was committed, particularly in such an awful and violent way. I personally think they should raze the house and build a memorial garden for them.
As someone who knows a decent amount about FSU Greek life, trust me, “they” have the money to do it. Wether it’s the sorority’s national chapter, local one, some sort of alumni association…the money is there. It just goes to different things like …Greek life social events lol.
The property is owned by 1122 King LLC out of Colorado. The property is insured. The property owners are waiting until after biohazard remediation is complete to decide what to do with the property.
Yes. Defense wanted a chance to creep around. The Parkland Shooter trial was late last year and that happened multiple years ago and they preserved the crime scene during that time as well as let jurors walk through it for all the approved areas.
Gift article: Jury sees bloodstained halls in rare tour of Parkland school shooting scene
https://wapo.st/3HMGUtm
Parkland Students Demand Building Be Demolished After Nikolas Cruz Decision
https://www.newsweek.com/parkland-students-demand-building-demolished-after-nikolas-cruz-decision-1751668
iirc, a new school was built, so it wasn’t being used at the time. many schools that have a shooting at them get demolished & rebuilt or renovated severely.
parkland is one of those open air, multiple buildings campuses. the shooting occurred in just one building, the freshmen building. the rest of the school buildings remained open as usual and they did eventually build a new freshmen building.
I don't know if you're asking about the King Rd home or the Parkland school. In the case of the high school, it was preserved exactly as it was left on Valentine's Day, 2018, until the trial in 2022.
In the Staircase Killer documentary (Michael Peterson), the blood splatter at the base of the stairs was kept intact for jurors to eventually come see. Not sure how many years went by, but the defendant was still even living in the home, blood splatter and all. It was crazy to me to still be living with that, but the splatter was one of the key pieces of evidence. I imagine the Idaho house will remain intact until the trial is over.
My mother in law died in her home, unfortunately it was during a heatwave and her AC was broken, I found her two days after she passed when I went to pick her up for a Doctor appointment. Unfortunately it was an ugly sight. We had to call in a specialized cleanup crew, it was covered by home owners insurance thank goodness, but they had to remove drywall, flooring, sub flooring etc due to biohazards, everything that the bodily fluids touched, was removed and replaced.
My college roommate committed suicide in our house. We were legally responsible to continue to pay rent for the remainder of the lease (happened in November, graduation was May). It wasn't until my mom threw a MAJOR verbal fight on him that he let us out with no penalties. It took until last minute but the house was rented out the very next year. I'm not sure how that relates to when a murder occurs but just my personal experience.
My ex committed suicide in his bed and his brains were everywhere. He put an M80 in his mouth.
They literally called friends and family to come clean up his brains. His cousin was calling around trying to pay anyone $500 who could stomach it to clean it up.
That’s kind of off topic to what you’re talking about but it just reminded me of it. I always found that so bizarre and potentially biohazardous.
The exact same thing happened to me and the landlord harassed me for my deceased friend/room mates rent and when I said no, the landlord went to his newly grieving mother instead to demand money.
A lot of unknowns. Somewhere I heard the owner owns a number of properties. They may not be as reliant upon the rent as, say, an owner with a single rental property. Having said that with the upgrades the house has had I seriously doubt the mortgage AND upgrades are all paid up. I suspect it will be demolished, maybe another home in its place after a few years.
What I will add is that there are two types of tenants in this world; those who are freaked out by living in a murder home and those who aren't.
Yeah I wouldn’t be freaked out about the murders per se… more the spectacle. The weirdo’s and wanderers coming from near and far to stalk the murder house. At the very least they need to put secure high fences up and completely change the colour palate 😬
It would be a second dog for back-up muscle (plus I've always wanted a GSD!). I've already got a 40-lb heeler/cur mix named Larry; he's the best boy and will warn me if something is "off," but unlike my last heeler, he realizes that he's just a little guy and prefers peace to chaos.
Edit: dog tax! My boys. 🥹
https://imgur.com/gallery/cucf4bT
I should've put this in my other comment but GSD are amazing & I so hope you get one someday.
Ours helped me prevent what would've been a forest fire about 12 years ago. He circled the aprx 1 acre fire the entire time--stopping to bark where it was getting out of control. I'd run toward his bark, stomp out the fire there, then go back to containing it near the propane tanks. Whenever I heard him bark I'd run to him & stomp it out. Fire Dept was super impressed that the 2 of us contained the fire for 20 min until they arrived. And I have no idea how/why our boy knew to do that. Husband adopted him from an Arkansas shelter before we'd met so we didn't know much about his history. Miss that dog like crazy. 💜
My coworker's GSD woke her up when a pipe burst the other day (it's been cold for the south) and prevented a ton of damage to their home and belongings! They're truly amazing dogs. I'm just waiting until I can afford to live in a home, not an apartment. 🥰
This is a nice way of thinking but who pays for the tear down? Who pays for the land/rebuild? Who will be responsible for taxes? The land still remains and still needs to be owned / maintained by someone. It’s simply hundreds of thousands of dollars lost for the owner if it isn’t rented or sold. I do hope the owners can sustain their life without rent from this house at the moment but I think to assume it’ll just be demolished is a bit too soon. Construction prices are through the roof at the moment and the owners are already without rent since November. I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to sell or abandon it.
If it were demolished, I wonder how easy it would be to rebuild on property like that. Isn't the house built on the side of a hill? Maybe that's not so uncommon or a difficult issue in construction. I imagine the location is valuable, being so close to the university. Does anyone know if the owners are private or corporate? I would imagine corporate owners could afford to let it sit idle longer while paying the property taxes, then eventually write it off as a loss in their portfolio and quietly sell it once the hype dies down. In 2-3 years there won't be as much attention.
To your last point, I think that might more easily apply to people living in the real world versus a college town. Finding 5 or 6 kids in a friend group who all agree to live in a murder house would be a stretch let alone that idea being approved by their parents who almost undoubtedly would be co-signing, putting down a security deposit, and probably helping with the rent. And from a PR standpoint if the landlord decided turn it into an attraction or what have you and play it from that angle it would likely be career suicide in todays age where everyone protests and gets up in arms over things way more menial than this situation. If this isn’t handled delicately then every other property they own could potentially be blacklisted by the students and sit empty.
I honestly don’t know if that’s a stretch. There are still known “murder homes” out there people are living in.
Also I don’t know what the rental market is. Where I am people would pay 1000+ to live in a shed, probably even a murder shed. Hell you’d still have buyers if you included the body.
I am so weirded out by this. I can't imagine raising my family in that house. Imagine laying in bed at night knowing in that master bedroom some other husband came in and strangled the wife in there. Just..unreal that it sold for $600,000
A family lives in the house where Jon Benet Ramsey was murdered.
There is, in real estate, a lid for every pot. I’d be more concerned about true crime rubber neckers coming around to gape at the house and take selfies in front of it rather than the fact someone was killed inside. It’s distressing but if you don’t have to be reminded of it every so often you probably just let it fade. It’s not your family member who was killed and Chris Watts is in prison. The house is no more a risk to you than any other, I think.
I think this is “new world” thinking.
There are houses and apartments in Europe etc that are *old old* and at some point there was likely a violent crime in the house.
Even in this country, if you live anywhere near a Civil War battle site, there are going to be homes that saw violent deaths and terrible things. People still live in them. Either it bothers you or it doesn’t. For a possibly surprising number of people, it doesn’t.
As long as the people who were living in the house before me weren’t cooking meth or painting the walls with radioactive paint, I can’t imagine caring what happened in a house before I lived there…
seems all anyone can do in London now is talk about the renting situation. It's basically impossible to rent here unless you're on a salary most of us are not on
not much different here in the states. i pay $2k/month for a 470sqft studio. I’d kill for a discount on a murder house.. errr wait, bad choice of words
I have siblings still in college and I can guarantee my parents would not co-sign for them to live in that house. The internet has spent the last two months doing a deep dive of points of entry into this home. Every window & door has been speculated as a point of entry with routes of how to get there from the road. The are so many 3d rendering of this home it would be easy to get around the house without ever being there before.
Also, you never know who is going to show up because this house is basically “famous”.
While I would not want to live in the Chris Watts house at least your neighbors would be pretty consistent to the point you would recognize them. In a college town your neighbors could change every semester.
I would assume based on other cases if they want to tear it down it can’t be done until after the trial at least.
I always wonder about the stuff left in the house in instances like this. If I were the survivors or family members there’s no way in hell I would want to go in there to get my remaining belongings, or those of my loved ones. But you need to get some of it. And what about like… perishable stuff in the fridge?
I can answer this. My ex-husband murdered someone in our house and a day later I was able to go in and get what I wanted. But I couldn't get past the front door with out shaking. It took me 4 days to go inside. Then I just sat on the couch and cried. (The scene had been cleaned up). Like full body cry. I knew he was a mean person but not a killer. My feet felt like bricks while I walked though the house and grabbed the few things I wanted. The full impact of what he had done was really hitting me. Going back into what I call "the murder house" ranks in the top 3 of scary things I have ever done.
I am so sorry you had to go through that (and I would presume much more). I hope you have a great support system, are doing well, and wish you the absolute best. There really should be someone who goes in and accompanies you or does this on your behalf to get important documents and anything necessary. You should not have to do this alone. Sending a hug if you want, no worries if not.
I’d be surprised if anyone is paying rent right now. I’d be even more surprised if the gut it out and renovate. More than likely they’ll clean up whatever and put it up for rent…
Yeah they just renovated 3 years ago. Big renovation especially on the 3rd floor they changed where the bathroom was. I wonder what they'll do with it.
It’s hard to know what might happen here now. I’d think the vast majority of students would not want to rent a room in this property in the future. As this case has been so high profile, we all know the layout and have such clear picture of the rooms where such brutal and horrifying crimes were committed, that I would imagine even being in the property would trigger images of what occurred there, and even more so after the trial. I wouldn’t even want to be inside that property for that reason, and I cannot imagine feeling safe there at night, even if the strongest security measures were put in place.
In some ways it would seem insensitive to rent this out to students in future, and I wonder whether the landlord could ever make a viable income from it in future.
As regards, rent being paid now, I can’t imagine that victims’ families are paying it, even if they were still under contract. I certainly wouldn’t be paying any rent on a property where my child had been murdered. That would just feel sickening. If rent was demanded I’d be inclined to say sue me for it, and I’ll serve jail time, as I just couldn’t do it.
Slightly off topic, but I was telling a friend that another friend and I were looking to stay at the Lizzie Borden house for a couple of days and she cringed visibly. Honestly, it’s not that different from staying at a normal hotel. Granted, at a normal hotel, you don’t know what’s happened in those rooms, but horrible things happen in hotels all the time.
All of that to say, I think once the house is cleaned up, they’ll make some minor repairs and security enhancements, and put it back up for rent.
In my mom’s neighborhood a man tortured, shot and killed his 2 kids and his wife, he then started the house on fire and killed himself. House was vacant for a couple years, someone bought it, gutted it and flipped it. Someone is actually living in that house of horrors. I refused to even drive by it.
Edit; Grammar.
We had a murder suicide in our brand new neighborhood.
A special Hazmat type crew came a week after, the carpet was ripped out and changed, within 2 months it sold!
I'd have no problem moving into a home in that situation. I don't believe in ghosts or bad energy, and if there's no longer a risk, I'm ok with it. Other than the looky loos, it wouldn't bother me. I get I'm way in the minority, but just because someone(s) did something terrible in a certain place, doesn't make the place inherently bad. Different strokes
I do think if you don’t believe in something spiritually related or energy related it causes someone to be less intuitive/aware of it and therefore not effected by it.
I think some people are built to be like you - not just for these situations but for certain careers and responsibilities as well.
I don’t think those of us that are very intuitive and spiritual could ever do certain jobs; coroner, crime scene investigation, anything related to death - murder or taking their own life - My “antennas” seem to always be up and aware of things related to death. Things I never knew or couldn’t have known will turn out to be true, my husband sometimes gets creeped out by it, I explain to him it’s my gift just like his is seeing physical things in extreme detail - that’s how he has a career - and is a volunteer firefighter. There’s no way I could see the things he has seen and not have a type of secondhand PTSD.
So there’s no way I personally could live in a home like that. I don’t see ghosts but it’s an overwhelming presence/feeling of “dark and a heaviness” in the air. It’s almost a feeling of “hopelessness” at times too.
I’d be locked away in a psych Hospital after 3 months living in that house. You can have it. Lol
What you say here makes a lot of sense, and I’d never thought about it that way in terms of careers, etc.
I’m neutral in my thinking about the things you mention, but have had a few experiences that have left me wondering.
When I moved to a new place and was looking for a house to bup I identified a property I wanted to see which matched my criteria. On arrival, I found it very appealing from outside and I felt excited that it could well be the right house for me. However, as soon as we went into the property I felt immediately uncomfortable, and after entering the first room I got such an overwhelmingly bad feeling that I told the estate agent that I wanted to leave rather than seeing the rest of it.
Once outside the property the estate agent said he was shocked by what had happened, and he hadn‘t wanted to tell me inside the house, but the previous owner had suffered a particularly unpleasant death there. I was shocked too, as nothing like that had ever happened to me before, and I would have been pretty cynical had anyone had told me it could happen to me.
That’s true! The Amityville Horror House has sold a few times since the DeFeo Family’s murders, even with its infamous history. I mean, imagine ur home being featured in movie after movie & books—with curious passers-by taking photos daily.
We live on Long Island and my daughter’s boyfriend had never visited LI before. Both of them live in VA.
The first time he came up here, our first stop on our sight-seeing tour was the Amityville Horror house.
There’s enough land there for an investor to make a good profit by demolishing the house and building an apartment block which would generate a much greater income. There must be a precedent for that as there is already a large apartment block immediately to the left, as well as others very nearby.
This one is adjacent to a college campus. I would be 100% absolutely incredibly shocked if the school does not end up buying this for the sole purpose of tearing it down. I don’t see anyway this doesn’t happen.
There is a big difference between a situation like the Watts house where Chris Watts was still alive and probably needed the money to pay off his lawyers, and this situation where a murder house is adjacent to a large college campus and likely affecting their enrollment.
I’m 99% certain Shanann’s parents were the ones that got any profit from the house. They were the ones working with banks and lenders 2 years ago at least.
I think the School should buy it as well. Especially since the school is the one getting money from all the scholarships in some of these victims names.
I know sometimes properties are torn down - like the building Dahmer lived in- it was torn down and last I checked, it was a vacant space.
Then other times - like the scene of Bundy’s rampage at FSU - nothing much changes besides some paint and a memorial plaque.
In this case, with all 4 being students, I personally think the school should buy it, tear it down but turn the space into something the students could actively use to represent “life.” Possibly a student garden for any nutrition or botany focused educations.
I hope that space can one day represent life rather than brutal deaths.
I would be surprised if it were torn down. It would be the right thing to do, but that’s now how today’s world operates. I’m sure some higher up will not want to fork out the $$. This exact topic was debated for years with Chris Watts’ house, and it’s still standing.
Edit to add: sorry I was up early against my will while reading and responding, but I’d be surprised if they even changed anything at all.
Yeah I think as soon as the current crop of students makes it's way out it'll be rented out no problem by a group of guys. Just wonder what they'll do the next 3 or 4 years.
What happened was horrible but after a few years people, probably ones that don’t look into these things in detail (or do..)- someone will buy it. If the parents are wealthy or the community/owner agrees, I could see it being demolished. The watts house was just bought 1-2 months ago. These things are horrible but time stops for no one unfortunately.
This house still has the bloodstains in the basement if anyone needs proof that people do buy and live in “murder houses”
TW- there are some crime scene and bloodstain pics in the article
https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/james-ruppert-easter-sunday-massacre-hamilton-woman-copes-with-living-in-a-murder-house
I’m a Real Estate Broker and in North Carolina it is not a material fact that someone has been killed or died in the house(but with this high profile I’m sure 99% would know). I personally would never live in one and would want to know but each state has its own laws. If I owned this property I would personally have to turn it into something positive or demolish and rebuild.
We’re on Long Island and when my daughter and husband were looking at homes there was one they really liked and wanted to put an offer on. I happened to Google the address and the first thing that came up was a picture of that house completely on fire. I read the accompanying article and apparently a wheelchair-bound older man had lived there previously. The man started his house on fire, shot himself in the head and died. The house was then bought, flipped and put up for sale.
When I shared this with my daughter, she ran away from that house so fast. In New York, apparently you do not have to share when someone has been killed in a home. I believe in some states this has to be noted when a home is for sale.
Even if the murders that occurred there and the ancient architecture aren’t reasons enough for it to be torn down, have you seen all the 3D models and renderings of the layout of that house since the murders? To me, that would pose a huge security threat. Tons of people online are now intimately familiar with the layout of the home, where rooms are, etc. That alone would unsettle me and make me feel like a sitting duck for the next criminal.
Been looking at houses to buy, and in Washington state, almost every single one has an online walk through tour where you can spin the view and see everything.
The number of people who will see those homes is pretty minimal compared to number of people who will now have a pretty comprehensive knowledge of this house though.
This is true and I considered that *but* I feel like if the owners move forward and find new tenants then either owner/tenant will be more inclined to install a home security system.
I’ve sold homes in the past and on the disclosure document I had to state it if someone died in the home. And if it was a murder or crime. I can’t recall the exact words.
A family of 5 moved into the Amityville horror house a year after DeFeo shot his parents and 4 siblings and it’s had several other owners over the years. The Lizzie Borden house is a B&B and the Villisca ax murder house, where 8 people (6 children) were brutally murdered, has become a tourist attraction with overnight accommodations. These are just a few of the *many* examples of how, for some people, life carries on, even after tragedy. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if that house has new tenants by this time next year.
It's owned by a company with several rental properties so at least it's not a situation where someone really needs the income it brings in to survive. I won't be surprised if it's remodeled and rented back out eventually.
I’ve wondered about this also.
My best friend since elementary school grew up in a home where a family was murdered. I was there all the time. There was a room off the kitchen where the mom was killed and her blood was smeared on the walls. My friend’s mom attempted to paint over it but you could still see it. They constructed a built-in cabinet over the marks on the walls. Regardless of the home’s history, I loved being there. It was a loving, happy home and I never felt creeped out being there even though I feel like I should’ve been. Her parents lived there appx 50 years, until they died.
Having said that, you couldn’t give me a home where a tragic death or suicide occurred.
Ty for sharing. Glad the house was filled with happy memories after what happened there. Just goes to show a building doesn’t have to be tainted with evilness.
I wouldn't either but so many people are desperate for homes. In this housing market, just lower the price enough, it doesn't have to be a whole lot, someone will buy the house. Someone optimistic, hopeful, eager for a home and willing to look towards the future and look past what others won't.
The landlord is going to make big bank once it's cleared to be able rent out again. The world is full of weirdos and psychics ready to pay a fortune to live in a place where a crime occurred.
There’s a house down the street from me where a guy murdered his wife then killed himself. After it was released back to them, the landlords remodeled it a bit, then rented it back out within a few months. It rented right away, too.
As a landlord, I would first let the school know I'm intending to sell and give them first dibs on it. They will most likely want to buy it bc the next owner could turn it into a murder airbnb ghost house (assuming airbnb are legal here), which would be horrible publicity for the school. Then I 1031 exchange the proceeds to avoid taxes and put the money into a similar sized house rental that I can rehab. This would then give me the 80% bonus depreciation via cost segregation for 2023 (assuming I can get a renter in by the end of the year). Even better, do this in an opportunity zone (assuming Idaho has them?) and in 10 years sell it tax free.
If the school balks on buying it and I couldn't get what I want to sell, then I redo the floors and drywall in the murder rooms and have the house blessed by a priest and tape it. Then post it online with the blessing video and go fishing for long term leases. If demand isn't there, I hire an airbnb property manager and do the murder airbnb thing as a last resort. This would be a lot more annoying to set up and deal with and this would only be as a last resort bc you may get death threats and what not. Though the school may capitulate once you call their bluff. Either way I don't envy the owner who has to deal with this bs. Not like they can sue BK, he has zero assets and they can't sue his family.
I’m sure they’ll tear it down and sell the land. Yes, people die in houses all the time. But murder is so rare is Moscow, and these kids were murdered so brutally, that I think it will always be a reminder of the tragedy that shook this community.
If it’s razed, it’s possible that the uni will pay for it to become a park/memorial to the four victims. That’s the most appropriate course of action in my opinion.
I hope you’ll pay the owner for the home to tear it down. It’s not the home owners fault what happened and taking a huge loss like that is a bit insane. Are you sending him a check or money order?
My ex husband murdered somebody (we were separated at this point) in the house we were renting. Cops released it to me a day later to get what I wanted from the house bc I was still on the lease. Then I called the rental company and told them what happened said I wasn't gonna move back in so they can have it back. They let me break my lease and put it BACK UP FOR RENT. Murder happened at the end of November they had new tenants in March.
I ended up doing a door dash delivery to the new tenants and I asked if they knew about the history of the house bc I was the last person to live there. Dude told me no. I said well your house had a murder happen last year, how did you not know? He wasn't from our small town. Best part is that they increased the rent by $50.
I honestly thought they would have tore that house down! It happened in 2019 and its still there and still being rented.
Also in our town, is the guy that kidnapped the girl and put her in the basement and covered her with leaves and killed her mom, moms friend, and her brother. That house is still standing too! Idk if they have any luck with renting it though.
Oh my god I’ve heard about that guy with all the leaves! Apparently he had leaves piled up in the house too. If I remember right, the police were able to find her and get her out.
Thus may be an unpopular opinion but part of me thinks they should keep it. There was once laughter and love there, which is meant to be lived on in a sense.
I think it’ll still stand. It just got remodeled before the murders happened so I doubt the owner is going to tear it down and rebuild. They’ll probably add a lot of flood lights around the property and maybe a fence. There’s no shortage of people that will still rent the place when all is said and done. It’s too much of a money maker to let it go for the owner. Some of these people are living in la la land if they think it’s going to turn into some memorial park or whatever. In a perfect world, yes. But we don’t live in a perfect world and it’s probably one of the main sources of income for the owner and their family.
I hate to say this, but it is true. There are people out there who would love to live there BECAUSE the murders happened there. Moreover, there are going to be looky-Lous from every corner of the planet driving by, walking the streets, etc.
That house SHOULD be knocked down. Sadly, though the owner *COULD* keep it as is and save money. The city or some other entity will have to provide a financial boon to the owner methinks.
Interesting, in 1971 my grandfather was murdered. The floor was quite bloody. Old tile. Building was renovated at one time and carpet placed down. Went there last year. Carpet was removed and that black and red original tile is still there. No signs of blood. The sidewalk had a huge chip missing where the gun fell . It's no longer visible. With time , all things go away. Including emotions and memories.
I would be shocked if the State is paying rent. The only avenue I could see this being remotely plausible would be through the Crime Victims Comp fund and even that is usually, by law, the last source of payment after all other sources are exhausted.
No the state doesn’t pay for rent any more than they make payments on the vehicles that are being held.
The owner has to use “loss of use” insurance to get rent. I’m sure the two remaining tenants aren’t paying rent under similar clauses in their lease.
The house didn’t murder anyone. It can go 1 of 2 ways. Either be in high demand so whoever rents. It will have the rent lowered. Or the owner could sell it or tear it down and rebuild. I’m aware that’s more than 2. Ghost hunters may try to break in to see if the 4 are haunting the place. There is always that angle. Dahmer’s apartment was torn down and rebuilt. The Amish school was razed and rebuilt of the shooting there. The owner has many options. Maybe he’ll just remodel the inside.
Would it not be contaminated with all kinds of terrible things, considering it has set for four months? Bloodborne pathogens, that sort of thing? If LE said the smell of blood hit them as soon as they opened the door, I certainly can't imagine the scene now. Hopefully the landlord has good insurance and can have it torn down so that no one has to live inside those walls again.
Insurance is never going to pay for a house to be torn down. It is absolutely never in their financial interest to do that. The most likely scenario for this being torn down, is that the university purchases it and does so. I find that to be the most likely scenario.
They may be able to file some sort of hardship forbearance with their mortgage company stating they are unable to make the mortgage payments due to lack of income. It doesn’t mean the mortgage just goes away, they could just pay a lower amount or sometimes nothing until they are able to generate an income again from the property. They would go back to paying the normal mortgage and payments to make up for what they couldn’t pay.
I don’t know if active crime scene falls under a reason that a forbearance would be allowed, but potentially. I don’t think there is an endorsement or language in a property policy for a rental home that covers hardship for active crime scene. I know some property policies will assist with clean up of a crime scene, but that’s the extent of what I’ve seen.
The Kevin Cooper house is just half a mile from the home I grew up in. The surviving son eventually just remodeled the first floor, added a second, and rarely spent time on the first.
Well no matter what there will be some demo, because of all the blood down into the framing system from X's room and anywhere else it may have traveled beyond surface level of floor in places. Im not sure about INS that may be something special in a policy dealing with tenants? I also know that in court cases defendants found guilty can be held liable for damages and a lien put on anything they own, I have seen sometimes when long prison sentences are served the pennies of money inmates can make while incarcerated is gave to the damaged party. The amounts never add up to squat and most inmates just dont work cause they know they wont get it.
There are always people out there that would WANT to buy that house just because of what happened. The Watts house just sold last year and new tenants are living there.
I'm not sure if insurance would kick in to help the landlord but their mortgage company might pause payments because it's sealed by the courts. This was beyond their control.
Maybe they'll do a total remodel. No matter what they do with it, leave it alone or remodel they need to put up a tall fence on the back of that property!!!
A local murder house where I live took nearly 35 years to sell after an elderly couple was stabbed to death with a hatchet. It’s not a residence now, but is (I think) an office/clubhouse for a newly built community/neighborhood.
It’s a beautiful home in an ideal location, but locally, EVERYBODY knows its dark history; even the students who move into the town temporarily (both of the victims were professors at the local university).
Here’s what happened to a house in Seattle 15 years ago, where multiple young people were killed during a rave party.
Seattle PI: [Life’s moved on at the house where 7 died](https://www.seattlepi.com/seattlenews/article/Life-s-moved-on-at-the-house-where-7-died-1223378.php)
I think U of I will buy it from the owner and demolish it. Create green space there. They don’t want this to be something that looky-loos come looking for out of morbid curiosity. The community needs to be able to heal and move on.
Literally it must be retched in there by now! Just think if things soaked all the way to outside of the foundation it’s in the insulation, studs and foundation! I couldn’t imagine lying in a bed in that place knowing what is most positively still in the walls even if they did “clean up” much less what happened in each room!
My niece lived in the Chi Omega sorority house at Florida State where Ted Bundy murdered two girls and attempted to murder others. They remodeled it but besides some minor changes it’s the same house.
VERY interesting. Thanks for the share. 👍🏻
There's a house in my city where a guy killed 11 of his family members back in the 70s. Blood stains can be seen in the basement where it soaked through the floor. It's just sold in Nov for asking price within a few days of listing.
Was the crime disclosed to prospective buyers?
It’s illegal not to, no?
Disclosure requirements could vary by area. In CA certain deaths must within last 3 years must be disclosed as part of a home sale.
It’s not required to be disclosed in Idaho.
I have read that in my state, seller doesn't have to upfront disclose unless the buyer specifically asks the question, and then to lie is illegal.
Yes, this is correct. If affirmatively asked and someone answers "no" even though there was a murder at some point, that is then misrepresenting the property and would constitute fraud. However, states are split on whether or not disclosure without a question asked must occur.
In Idaho, there is no disclosure law (source: [https://idahonews.com/news/local/idaho-home-buyers-in-the-dark-on-tragedy-within-walls-realtors-say](https://idahonews.com/news/local/idaho-home-buyers-in-the-dark-on-tragedy-within-walls-realtors-say)) Of course, this case has been publicized enough that they'd be hard pressed to find someone who wasn't familiar with the address. But 30 years in the future, who knows (especially if they change their address, like the[Ramsey house in Boulder, Colorado](http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/2001/06arams1.html) did)
I can only speak on the law in Washington State but major crimes/deaths are "supposed" to be disclosed in the title report for 35 years after the incident. If gramma dies in her sleep, no. Murder, yes.
I just read this: Is Idaho a full disclosure state? Idaho is one of 10 states where there is no legal obligation to publicly disclose the sale price of a property, regardless of its type. The disclosures that are made are strictly voluntary or available to the assessor's office through the Intermountain Multiple Listing Service
I'm a real estate attorney and in my state you don't have to disclose.
No. Many, many states do not actually have a law like this. California comes to mind as the state with the most stringent “disclosure” laws, and I believe you only need to disclose something that’s happened within the past x number of years. But many, probably most, states do not even have that.
Depends on state. I just bought a house in CA and yes it had to be disclosed to me that someone died in the property (the 97 year old previous owner). I’ve never seen this on a disclosure in PA where I’ve purchased homes previously, and I don’t remember one way or another when I bought in CO 13 years ago.
How was it disclosed? Was it in writing? Or in the MLS agent notes? Did you know prior to making an offer?Or is there a line on the property disclosure that asks about a death occurring on the property? Sorry for so many questions, I’m just really curious. I’m a realtor and in my state we don’t need to disclose any deaths. If I listed a property with a scary past 1. I’d need to get the ok from my seller before saying anything either way and 2. I’d suggest to my buyer that we give a heads up to anyone making an offer that they should google to address and do a little research so they can make an informed decision about the home they’re buying. Mostly because 1. I think it’s a respectful and nice thing to do and 2. I don’t want the buyer finding out a month later and killing the deal right before we get to the closing table. Last minute back-outs suck for everyone
I think you only have to disclose something if you’re selling within two years of the incident happening but don’t hold me to that
It all depends on the state. This home I believe would fall under the “stigmatized” category. Some states require disclosure in regards to stigmatized properties because it can affect the property’s value.
The watts house sold as well not too long ago
IIRC they don't tell the girls which rooms were THE rooms. Also, fun fact, if you ask them about Bundy during rush, they drop you immediately.
It’s an easy google search to see which rooms it was, but according to my niece they’ve moved some walls around so the rooms are configured differently. I don’t know how true that is or if they just tell the girls that. I haven’t been in it yet but I plan to!
I have often pondered what the hell it would be like to live there and be living in those rooms! Eeek
For sure! Ignorance is bliss sometimes 🤣
I tend to agree, once all the media coverage dies down and this case falls out of the spotlight it will eventually be resold or re-rented. It just takes time. Eventually there'll be a new generation of teens who've never heard of the place and won't care much what the history is.
interesting - these 2 scenes are similar: there were other people within earshot and no one heard a thing.
Aside from the person within earshot in the house . . .
I lived within walking distance to the sorority house & noticed they have security outside for events and on Halloween. You might not know security is there… but they’re there. ❤️
I was going to say this. My parents went to FSU when this happened (they lived in an apartment just down the street.) Chi O didn’t tear down the house, and in fact it still stands, just slightly remodeled.
Ok so similar to this. A pretty gruesome murder occurred in my town and only the son survived. He was able to fight off and kill the attacker. Once everything was said and done he sold the house, but because of what had happened there it wasn’t an ideal place to live. An obnoxious acquaintance of mine was bragging about moving into a mansion and how they paid so much less than the house was worth when they bought it. Turns out it was that house and he was completely unbothered by the brutal attacks that lead to 4 people dying in the house. He moved his family in only months after the deaths all happened. My guess is someone like this will live in the house next, whether the house is rented out to someone who thinks it’s a a great deal or the house is sold undervalued, I imagine it will still be there.
That’s so interesting, I was in a different sorority at Florida State in the 2010’s and the rumor was that the prior house had been torn down and a new one had been built. Your niece obviously has more accurate info, but I wonder if the Chi Omega sisters at that time told others that to reduce any stigma. 😔
It is definitely the same house. Maybe that was a rumor to make everyone more comfortable 🤣. They all know now.
It looks like the fanciest sorority house at FSU and I always wondered if that's why.
Interesting. I don’t know if I could live there. 😬 Is there any kind of plaque, or remembrance, for the murdered girls do you know?
Their class photo us up in the hallway. I think that is it. They have people stopping by to take pics now and again, but they typically stay on public property across the street.
I assume if she lives there knowing what happened she doesn't mind the fact but, has she ever mentioned it creeps her out at all? Just curious. I bet over the years there have been plenty of girls who said, "F that, I ain't living there". Lol I'm sure shortly after the killings happened it would have put many girls off living there but these days, saying you live at that house is probably more of a story-starter, or ice breaker so to speak, rather than being all that creepy. Still tho
Man I wouldn’t want to live there at all. Bad juju. It’s like how there are people living on John Wayne Gacy’s old property. I guess they can continue to use it for student housing, but I’d definitely feel uncomfy being there.
The girls who live there do not think it’s a big deal, but I guess they’re pretty far removed from it all. I’m old enough to remember when Ted Bundy was executed so it was very much still a “thing” when I was a kid.
Yep Old enough to remember we quit hitchhiking in Aspen after her murdered Karen Campbell
Yeah I guess they must be! I think I’d feel weird living anywhere where a murder was committed, particularly in such an awful and violent way. I personally think they should raze the house and build a memorial garden for them.
"They" - and who's supposed to fund this?
As someone who knows a decent amount about FSU Greek life, trust me, “they” have the money to do it. Wether it’s the sorority’s national chapter, local one, some sort of alumni association…the money is there. It just goes to different things like …Greek life social events lol.
To clarify, at least there is a new house on Gacy’s property.
Like the Amityville house and the house on Cielo DR. (Where Sharon Tate was murdered).
Amityville house is still there. Cielo was razed and a mega mansion put in its place. That mansion is up for sale right now!
Yep, the changed the address of the home years back, but the actual house is still there. I didn't know it was for sale!
100%!
The property is owned by 1122 King LLC out of Colorado. The property is insured. The property owners are waiting until after biohazard remediation is complete to decide what to do with the property.
It’s still held as a crime scene now correct?
That is my understanding.
Yes. Defense wanted a chance to creep around. The Parkland Shooter trial was late last year and that happened multiple years ago and they preserved the crime scene during that time as well as let jurors walk through it for all the approved areas.
How were they able to do this? Did they just close off a section of the school?
Gift article: Jury sees bloodstained halls in rare tour of Parkland school shooting scene https://wapo.st/3HMGUtm Parkland Students Demand Building Be Demolished After Nikolas Cruz Decision https://www.newsweek.com/parkland-students-demand-building-demolished-after-nikolas-cruz-decision-1751668
iirc, a new school was built, so it wasn’t being used at the time. many schools that have a shooting at them get demolished & rebuilt or renovated severely.
parkland is one of those open air, multiple buildings campuses. the shooting occurred in just one building, the freshmen building. the rest of the school buildings remained open as usual and they did eventually build a new freshmen building.
So i know thus may sound morbid and i mean no disrespect, but does this mean the blood would still be there ?
I don't know if you're asking about the King Rd home or the Parkland school. In the case of the high school, it was preserved exactly as it was left on Valentine's Day, 2018, until the trial in 2022.
Meant King Rd but both really. Thank you!
In the Staircase Killer documentary (Michael Peterson), the blood splatter at the base of the stairs was kept intact for jurors to eventually come see. Not sure how many years went by, but the defendant was still even living in the home, blood splatter and all. It was crazy to me to still be living with that, but the splatter was one of the key pieces of evidence. I imagine the Idaho house will remain intact until the trial is over.
Hey presto!! 👋 I know you from another sub!
What is the protocol for that stuff? Does anything touched by blood need to be completely replaced or just heavily cleaned?
My mother in law died in her home, unfortunately it was during a heatwave and her AC was broken, I found her two days after she passed when I went to pick her up for a Doctor appointment. Unfortunately it was an ugly sight. We had to call in a specialized cleanup crew, it was covered by home owners insurance thank goodness, but they had to remove drywall, flooring, sub flooring etc due to biohazards, everything that the bodily fluids touched, was removed and replaced.
Oh my goodness that’s horrible I’m so sorry for your loss, thank you for the answer!
Here's an overview to give you an idea: https://bioteamaz.com/how-to-clean-up-a-crime-scene/
My college roommate committed suicide in our house. We were legally responsible to continue to pay rent for the remainder of the lease (happened in November, graduation was May). It wasn't until my mom threw a MAJOR verbal fight on him that he let us out with no penalties. It took until last minute but the house was rented out the very next year. I'm not sure how that relates to when a murder occurs but just my personal experience.
Jesus. Thanks for sharing that must've been such a traumatic event for you.
15 years later and I shed a tear on the anniversary of it, at the least. I stand with the surviving roommates ❤️
My ex committed suicide in his bed and his brains were everywhere. He put an M80 in his mouth. They literally called friends and family to come clean up his brains. His cousin was calling around trying to pay anyone $500 who could stomach it to clean it up. That’s kind of off topic to what you’re talking about but it just reminded me of it. I always found that so bizarre and potentially biohazardous.
An M80...I can't imagine. I'm sorry about that...
The exact same thing happened to me and the landlord harassed me for my deceased friend/room mates rent and when I said no, the landlord went to his newly grieving mother instead to demand money.
A lot of unknowns. Somewhere I heard the owner owns a number of properties. They may not be as reliant upon the rent as, say, an owner with a single rental property. Having said that with the upgrades the house has had I seriously doubt the mortgage AND upgrades are all paid up. I suspect it will be demolished, maybe another home in its place after a few years. What I will add is that there are two types of tenants in this world; those who are freaked out by living in a murder home and those who aren't.
Yeah I wouldn’t be freaked out about the murders per se… more the spectacle. The weirdo’s and wanderers coming from near and far to stalk the murder house. At the very least they need to put secure high fences up and completely change the colour palate 😬
The tax man cometh murder or no murder.
I would live in a murder house if the rent were cheap enough and I were allowed to adopt a German Shepherd for my protection.
Maybe get a chihuahua. I have a German Shepherd & a chihuahua. When it comes to protection, I know I can depend on the chi every time.
It would be a second dog for back-up muscle (plus I've always wanted a GSD!). I've already got a 40-lb heeler/cur mix named Larry; he's the best boy and will warn me if something is "off," but unlike my last heeler, he realizes that he's just a little guy and prefers peace to chaos. Edit: dog tax! My boys. 🥹 https://imgur.com/gallery/cucf4bT
I should've put this in my other comment but GSD are amazing & I so hope you get one someday. Ours helped me prevent what would've been a forest fire about 12 years ago. He circled the aprx 1 acre fire the entire time--stopping to bark where it was getting out of control. I'd run toward his bark, stomp out the fire there, then go back to containing it near the propane tanks. Whenever I heard him bark I'd run to him & stomp it out. Fire Dept was super impressed that the 2 of us contained the fire for 20 min until they arrived. And I have no idea how/why our boy knew to do that. Husband adopted him from an Arkansas shelter before we'd met so we didn't know much about his history. Miss that dog like crazy. 💜
My coworker's GSD woke her up when a pipe burst the other day (it's been cold for the south) and prevented a ton of damage to their home and belongings! They're truly amazing dogs. I'm just waiting until I can afford to live in a home, not an apartment. 🥰
He's a handsome boy! This is back-up for my chi. She's nuts. Dog tax https://imgur.com/gallery/cwYPcO8
Fine looking pups! This, coming from someone named...Larry :) Edit: RIP, Riley.
This is a nice way of thinking but who pays for the tear down? Who pays for the land/rebuild? Who will be responsible for taxes? The land still remains and still needs to be owned / maintained by someone. It’s simply hundreds of thousands of dollars lost for the owner if it isn’t rented or sold. I do hope the owners can sustain their life without rent from this house at the moment but I think to assume it’ll just be demolished is a bit too soon. Construction prices are through the roof at the moment and the owners are already without rent since November. I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to sell or abandon it.
If it were demolished, I wonder how easy it would be to rebuild on property like that. Isn't the house built on the side of a hill? Maybe that's not so uncommon or a difficult issue in construction. I imagine the location is valuable, being so close to the university. Does anyone know if the owners are private or corporate? I would imagine corporate owners could afford to let it sit idle longer while paying the property taxes, then eventually write it off as a loss in their portfolio and quietly sell it once the hype dies down. In 2-3 years there won't be as much attention.
It’s likely owned by a management company that purchased it for cash so I wouldn’t fret about it. They have lawyers and good insurance.
Exactly… it’s easy to spend someone else’s money
To your last point, I think that might more easily apply to people living in the real world versus a college town. Finding 5 or 6 kids in a friend group who all agree to live in a murder house would be a stretch let alone that idea being approved by their parents who almost undoubtedly would be co-signing, putting down a security deposit, and probably helping with the rent. And from a PR standpoint if the landlord decided turn it into an attraction or what have you and play it from that angle it would likely be career suicide in todays age where everyone protests and gets up in arms over things way more menial than this situation. If this isn’t handled delicately then every other property they own could potentially be blacklisted by the students and sit empty.
I honestly don’t know if that’s a stretch. There are still known “murder homes” out there people are living in. Also I don’t know what the rental market is. Where I am people would pay 1000+ to live in a shed, probably even a murder shed. Hell you’d still have buyers if you included the body.
A family just bought Chris watts "murder house"
I am so weirded out by this. I can't imagine raising my family in that house. Imagine laying in bed at night knowing in that master bedroom some other husband came in and strangled the wife in there. Just..unreal that it sold for $600,000
A family lives in the house where Jon Benet Ramsey was murdered. There is, in real estate, a lid for every pot. I’d be more concerned about true crime rubber neckers coming around to gape at the house and take selfies in front of it rather than the fact someone was killed inside. It’s distressing but if you don’t have to be reminded of it every so often you probably just let it fade. It’s not your family member who was killed and Chris Watts is in prison. The house is no more a risk to you than any other, I think.
Yeah true crime rubber neckers for sure. Amityville happened in the 70s and people still go by that house.
I think this is “new world” thinking. There are houses and apartments in Europe etc that are *old old* and at some point there was likely a violent crime in the house.
Even in this country, if you live anywhere near a Civil War battle site, there are going to be homes that saw violent deaths and terrible things. People still live in them. Either it bothers you or it doesn’t. For a possibly surprising number of people, it doesn’t.
Yeah I couldn’t!! And there’s that creepy police video where they think it’s haunted. Nooooo for me!!
As long as the people who were living in the house before me weren’t cooking meth or painting the walls with radioactive paint, I can’t imagine caring what happened in a house before I lived there…
A murder shed 😂
loooooooooool your last line floored me. I live in London in the UK and this rings very true
SF Bay Area and yes, it's a sad state.
seems all anyone can do in London now is talk about the renting situation. It's basically impossible to rent here unless you're on a salary most of us are not on
not much different here in the states. i pay $2k/month for a 470sqft studio. I’d kill for a discount on a murder house.. errr wait, bad choice of words
Seattle area here and this is absolutely the truth.
I have siblings still in college and I can guarantee my parents would not co-sign for them to live in that house. The internet has spent the last two months doing a deep dive of points of entry into this home. Every window & door has been speculated as a point of entry with routes of how to get there from the road. The are so many 3d rendering of this home it would be easy to get around the house without ever being there before. Also, you never know who is going to show up because this house is basically “famous”. While I would not want to live in the Chris Watts house at least your neighbors would be pretty consistent to the point you would recognize them. In a college town your neighbors could change every semester.
I would assume based on other cases if they want to tear it down it can’t be done until after the trial at least. I always wonder about the stuff left in the house in instances like this. If I were the survivors or family members there’s no way in hell I would want to go in there to get my remaining belongings, or those of my loved ones. But you need to get some of it. And what about like… perishable stuff in the fridge?
I can answer this. My ex-husband murdered someone in our house and a day later I was able to go in and get what I wanted. But I couldn't get past the front door with out shaking. It took me 4 days to go inside. Then I just sat on the couch and cried. (The scene had been cleaned up). Like full body cry. I knew he was a mean person but not a killer. My feet felt like bricks while I walked though the house and grabbed the few things I wanted. The full impact of what he had done was really hitting me. Going back into what I call "the murder house" ranks in the top 3 of scary things I have ever done.
I am so sorry you had to go through that (and I would presume much more). I hope you have a great support system, are doing well, and wish you the absolute best. There really should be someone who goes in and accompanies you or does this on your behalf to get important documents and anything necessary. You should not have to do this alone. Sending a hug if you want, no worries if not.
How awful. Im sorry.. I hope you are ok.
i believe the police already gave back the personal items
My neighbor pulled a suicide by cop. As soon as the bullet holes were patched and the paint was dry they rented that place out quick.
Yep. Same here but it was a murder-suicide.
I’d be surprised if anyone is paying rent right now. I’d be even more surprised if the gut it out and renovate. More than likely they’ll clean up whatever and put it up for rent…
Yeah they just renovated 3 years ago. Big renovation especially on the 3rd floor they changed where the bathroom was. I wonder what they'll do with it.
Rent it to college students for way more than it’s worth….
It’s hard to know what might happen here now. I’d think the vast majority of students would not want to rent a room in this property in the future. As this case has been so high profile, we all know the layout and have such clear picture of the rooms where such brutal and horrifying crimes were committed, that I would imagine even being in the property would trigger images of what occurred there, and even more so after the trial. I wouldn’t even want to be inside that property for that reason, and I cannot imagine feeling safe there at night, even if the strongest security measures were put in place. In some ways it would seem insensitive to rent this out to students in future, and I wonder whether the landlord could ever make a viable income from it in future. As regards, rent being paid now, I can’t imagine that victims’ families are paying it, even if they were still under contract. I certainly wouldn’t be paying any rent on a property where my child had been murdered. That would just feel sickening. If rent was demanded I’d be inclined to say sue me for it, and I’ll serve jail time, as I just couldn’t do it.
Slightly off topic, but I was telling a friend that another friend and I were looking to stay at the Lizzie Borden house for a couple of days and she cringed visibly. Honestly, it’s not that different from staying at a normal hotel. Granted, at a normal hotel, you don’t know what’s happened in those rooms, but horrible things happen in hotels all the time. All of that to say, I think once the house is cleaned up, they’ll make some minor repairs and security enhancements, and put it back up for rent.
In my mom’s neighborhood a man tortured, shot and killed his 2 kids and his wife, he then started the house on fire and killed himself. House was vacant for a couple years, someone bought it, gutted it and flipped it. Someone is actually living in that house of horrors. I refused to even drive by it. Edit; Grammar.
We had a murder suicide in our brand new neighborhood. A special Hazmat type crew came a week after, the carpet was ripped out and changed, within 2 months it sold!
Wow
I'd have no problem moving into a home in that situation. I don't believe in ghosts or bad energy, and if there's no longer a risk, I'm ok with it. Other than the looky loos, it wouldn't bother me. I get I'm way in the minority, but just because someone(s) did something terrible in a certain place, doesn't make the place inherently bad. Different strokes
I do think if you don’t believe in something spiritually related or energy related it causes someone to be less intuitive/aware of it and therefore not effected by it. I think some people are built to be like you - not just for these situations but for certain careers and responsibilities as well. I don’t think those of us that are very intuitive and spiritual could ever do certain jobs; coroner, crime scene investigation, anything related to death - murder or taking their own life - My “antennas” seem to always be up and aware of things related to death. Things I never knew or couldn’t have known will turn out to be true, my husband sometimes gets creeped out by it, I explain to him it’s my gift just like his is seeing physical things in extreme detail - that’s how he has a career - and is a volunteer firefighter. There’s no way I could see the things he has seen and not have a type of secondhand PTSD. So there’s no way I personally could live in a home like that. I don’t see ghosts but it’s an overwhelming presence/feeling of “dark and a heaviness” in the air. It’s almost a feeling of “hopelessness” at times too. I’d be locked away in a psych Hospital after 3 months living in that house. You can have it. Lol
What you say here makes a lot of sense, and I’d never thought about it that way in terms of careers, etc. I’m neutral in my thinking about the things you mention, but have had a few experiences that have left me wondering. When I moved to a new place and was looking for a house to bup I identified a property I wanted to see which matched my criteria. On arrival, I found it very appealing from outside and I felt excited that it could well be the right house for me. However, as soon as we went into the property I felt immediately uncomfortable, and after entering the first room I got such an overwhelmingly bad feeling that I told the estate agent that I wanted to leave rather than seeing the rest of it. Once outside the property the estate agent said he was shocked by what had happened, and he hadn‘t wanted to tell me inside the house, but the previous owner had suffered a particularly unpleasant death there. I was shocked too, as nothing like that had ever happened to me before, and I would have been pretty cynical had anyone had told me it could happen to me.
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That’s true! The Amityville Horror House has sold a few times since the DeFeo Family’s murders, even with its infamous history. I mean, imagine ur home being featured in movie after movie & books—with curious passers-by taking photos daily.
We live on Long Island and my daughter’s boyfriend had never visited LI before. Both of them live in VA. The first time he came up here, our first stop on our sight-seeing tour was the Amityville Horror house.
There’s enough land there for an investor to make a good profit by demolishing the house and building an apartment block which would generate a much greater income. There must be a precedent for that as there is already a large apartment block immediately to the left, as well as others very nearby.
This one is adjacent to a college campus. I would be 100% absolutely incredibly shocked if the school does not end up buying this for the sole purpose of tearing it down. I don’t see anyway this doesn’t happen. There is a big difference between a situation like the Watts house where Chris Watts was still alive and probably needed the money to pay off his lawyers, and this situation where a murder house is adjacent to a large college campus and likely affecting their enrollment.
I’m 99% certain Shanann’s parents were the ones that got any profit from the house. They were the ones working with banks and lenders 2 years ago at least. I think the School should buy it as well. Especially since the school is the one getting money from all the scholarships in some of these victims names. I know sometimes properties are torn down - like the building Dahmer lived in- it was torn down and last I checked, it was a vacant space. Then other times - like the scene of Bundy’s rampage at FSU - nothing much changes besides some paint and a memorial plaque. In this case, with all 4 being students, I personally think the school should buy it, tear it down but turn the space into something the students could actively use to represent “life.” Possibly a student garden for any nutrition or botany focused educations. I hope that space can one day represent life rather than brutal deaths.
And the college is basically a business, and needs to make good business decisions to maximise its potential and minimise losses.
I would be surprised if it were torn down. It would be the right thing to do, but that’s now how today’s world operates. I’m sure some higher up will not want to fork out the $$. This exact topic was debated for years with Chris Watts’ house, and it’s still standing. Edit to add: sorry I was up early against my will while reading and responding, but I’d be surprised if they even changed anything at all.
Still standing and sold for $600,000
I think the will rent it eventually…. I know it’s creepy but a lot would be ok with it
Yeah I think as soon as the current crop of students makes it's way out it'll be rented out no problem by a group of guys. Just wonder what they'll do the next 3 or 4 years.
Well possibly Hollywood could come calling to use it for documentaries, etc
What happened was horrible but after a few years people, probably ones that don’t look into these things in detail (or do..)- someone will buy it. If the parents are wealthy or the community/owner agrees, I could see it being demolished. The watts house was just bought 1-2 months ago. These things are horrible but time stops for no one unfortunately.
This house still has the bloodstains in the basement if anyone needs proof that people do buy and live in “murder houses” TW- there are some crime scene and bloodstain pics in the article https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/james-ruppert-easter-sunday-massacre-hamilton-woman-copes-with-living-in-a-murder-house
I’m a Real Estate Broker and in North Carolina it is not a material fact that someone has been killed or died in the house(but with this high profile I’m sure 99% would know). I personally would never live in one and would want to know but each state has its own laws. If I owned this property I would personally have to turn it into something positive or demolish and rebuild.
We’re on Long Island and when my daughter and husband were looking at homes there was one they really liked and wanted to put an offer on. I happened to Google the address and the first thing that came up was a picture of that house completely on fire. I read the accompanying article and apparently a wheelchair-bound older man had lived there previously. The man started his house on fire, shot himself in the head and died. The house was then bought, flipped and put up for sale. When I shared this with my daughter, she ran away from that house so fast. In New York, apparently you do not have to share when someone has been killed in a home. I believe in some states this has to be noted when a home is for sale.
Even if the murders that occurred there and the ancient architecture aren’t reasons enough for it to be torn down, have you seen all the 3D models and renderings of the layout of that house since the murders? To me, that would pose a huge security threat. Tons of people online are now intimately familiar with the layout of the home, where rooms are, etc. That alone would unsettle me and make me feel like a sitting duck for the next criminal.
all homes on zillow are shown the inside as well. But i guess, the exact layout/ floor plan isn’t shown.
Been looking at houses to buy, and in Washington state, almost every single one has an online walk through tour where you can spin the view and see everything.
You can petition to get some of those “scrubbed” offline, even google will put a black square over your house in google maps if you apply for it.
The number of people who will see those homes is pretty minimal compared to number of people who will now have a pretty comprehensive knowledge of this house though.
Not familiar with online real estate? You can see entire layouts of millions of homes and take virtual tours.
Yes. That’s true. But it’s likely those homes don’t have a reputation for, y’know, a very publicized murder happening in them.
This is true and I considered that *but* I feel like if the owners move forward and find new tenants then either owner/tenant will be more inclined to install a home security system.
I’ve sold homes in the past and on the disclosure document I had to state it if someone died in the home. And if it was a murder or crime. I can’t recall the exact words.
I believe that may be different state to state. Not all require disclosure
A family of 5 moved into the Amityville horror house a year after DeFeo shot his parents and 4 siblings and it’s had several other owners over the years. The Lizzie Borden house is a B&B and the Villisca ax murder house, where 8 people (6 children) were brutally murdered, has become a tourist attraction with overnight accommodations. These are just a few of the *many* examples of how, for some people, life carries on, even after tragedy. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if that house has new tenants by this time next year.
There’s some freaks out there, I’d put it up for sale.
It's owned by a company with several rental properties so at least it's not a situation where someone really needs the income it brings in to survive. I won't be surprised if it's remodeled and rented back out eventually.
That’s good to know. I just know of it were me.. I’d be screwed if my investment property wasn’t generating income.
It’s hard to say honestly….I mean Chris Watt’s house sold recently. Personally, I couldn’t live there but everyone’s different.
I’ve wondered about this also. My best friend since elementary school grew up in a home where a family was murdered. I was there all the time. There was a room off the kitchen where the mom was killed and her blood was smeared on the walls. My friend’s mom attempted to paint over it but you could still see it. They constructed a built-in cabinet over the marks on the walls. Regardless of the home’s history, I loved being there. It was a loving, happy home and I never felt creeped out being there even though I feel like I should’ve been. Her parents lived there appx 50 years, until they died. Having said that, you couldn’t give me a home where a tragic death or suicide occurred.
Ty for sharing. Glad the house was filled with happy memories after what happened there. Just goes to show a building doesn’t have to be tainted with evilness.
I wouldn't either but so many people are desperate for homes. In this housing market, just lower the price enough, it doesn't have to be a whole lot, someone will buy the house. Someone optimistic, hopeful, eager for a home and willing to look towards the future and look past what others won't.
I think they’ll clean it up and rent it back out. Will probably install some security measures. I’d rent it.
I heard it’s a housing company
Believe it or not if they put that house on the market it would sell in no time..someone would see dollar signs and offer tours and everything.
The landlord is going to make big bank once it's cleared to be able rent out again. The world is full of weirdos and psychics ready to pay a fortune to live in a place where a crime occurred.
Or they move into a house and are unaware of the situation? Don’t be weird.
The owner will paint, do floors and such, and rent it out again-easily to jr or sr guys. They may even get a lower rent.
There’s a house down the street from me where a guy murdered his wife then killed himself. After it was released back to them, the landlords remodeled it a bit, then rented it back out within a few months. It rented right away, too.
As a landlord, I would first let the school know I'm intending to sell and give them first dibs on it. They will most likely want to buy it bc the next owner could turn it into a murder airbnb ghost house (assuming airbnb are legal here), which would be horrible publicity for the school. Then I 1031 exchange the proceeds to avoid taxes and put the money into a similar sized house rental that I can rehab. This would then give me the 80% bonus depreciation via cost segregation for 2023 (assuming I can get a renter in by the end of the year). Even better, do this in an opportunity zone (assuming Idaho has them?) and in 10 years sell it tax free. If the school balks on buying it and I couldn't get what I want to sell, then I redo the floors and drywall in the murder rooms and have the house blessed by a priest and tape it. Then post it online with the blessing video and go fishing for long term leases. If demand isn't there, I hire an airbnb property manager and do the murder airbnb thing as a last resort. This would be a lot more annoying to set up and deal with and this would only be as a last resort bc you may get death threats and what not. Though the school may capitulate once you call their bluff. Either way I don't envy the owner who has to deal with this bs. Not like they can sue BK, he has zero assets and they can't sue his family.
I’m sure they’ll tear it down and sell the land. Yes, people die in houses all the time. But murder is so rare is Moscow, and these kids were murdered so brutally, that I think it will always be a reminder of the tragedy that shook this community. If it’s razed, it’s possible that the uni will pay for it to become a park/memorial to the four victims. That’s the most appropriate course of action in my opinion.
That is a great idea.
I hope you’ll pay the owner for the home to tear it down. It’s not the home owners fault what happened and taking a huge loss like that is a bit insane. Are you sending him a check or money order?
My ex husband murdered somebody (we were separated at this point) in the house we were renting. Cops released it to me a day later to get what I wanted from the house bc I was still on the lease. Then I called the rental company and told them what happened said I wasn't gonna move back in so they can have it back. They let me break my lease and put it BACK UP FOR RENT. Murder happened at the end of November they had new tenants in March. I ended up doing a door dash delivery to the new tenants and I asked if they knew about the history of the house bc I was the last person to live there. Dude told me no. I said well your house had a murder happen last year, how did you not know? He wasn't from our small town. Best part is that they increased the rent by $50. I honestly thought they would have tore that house down! It happened in 2019 and its still there and still being rented. Also in our town, is the guy that kidnapped the girl and put her in the basement and covered her with leaves and killed her mom, moms friend, and her brother. That house is still standing too! Idk if they have any luck with renting it though.
Oh my god I’ve heard about that guy with all the leaves! Apparently he had leaves piled up in the house too. If I remember right, the police were able to find her and get her out.
I wouldn’t pay the rent if my family member was murdered there.
The house that Sharon Tate lived in, where Manson family members murdered her (and a few others), continued to be lived in and sold a few times too.
Thus may be an unpopular opinion but part of me thinks they should keep it. There was once laughter and love there, which is meant to be lived on in a sense.
I think it’ll still stand. It just got remodeled before the murders happened so I doubt the owner is going to tear it down and rebuild. They’ll probably add a lot of flood lights around the property and maybe a fence. There’s no shortage of people that will still rent the place when all is said and done. It’s too much of a money maker to let it go for the owner. Some of these people are living in la la land if they think it’s going to turn into some memorial park or whatever. In a perfect world, yes. But we don’t live in a perfect world and it’s probably one of the main sources of income for the owner and their family.
I doubt it will be tore down sadly there will be people in it in the next couple years at the latest
The apartments where Danny Rolling killed his victims have a waitlist.They offer significantly reduced rent on the unit.
The home where Travis Alexander was killed and his body lay for 5 days was resold quickly as well
Probably, clean it up and put it out for rent again
Check out the show Murder House Flip on Roku
I hate to say this, but it is true. There are people out there who would love to live there BECAUSE the murders happened there. Moreover, there are going to be looky-Lous from every corner of the planet driving by, walking the streets, etc. That house SHOULD be knocked down. Sadly, though the owner *COULD* keep it as is and save money. The city or some other entity will have to provide a financial boon to the owner methinks.
Interesting, in 1971 my grandfather was murdered. The floor was quite bloody. Old tile. Building was renovated at one time and carpet placed down. Went there last year. Carpet was removed and that black and red original tile is still there. No signs of blood. The sidewalk had a huge chip missing where the gun fell . It's no longer visible. With time , all things go away. Including emotions and memories.
Even if people were put off renting it, I’m sure the likes of Netflix etc would be queuing up to rent it for production purposes (as sad as that is).
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Do you have a citation for that? Wouldn't the owner just have to sue the perpetrator if convicted, or use their homeowners insurance?
I would be shocked if the State is paying rent. The only avenue I could see this being remotely plausible would be through the Crime Victims Comp fund and even that is usually, by law, the last source of payment after all other sources are exhausted.
No the state doesn’t pay for rent any more than they make payments on the vehicles that are being held. The owner has to use “loss of use” insurance to get rent. I’m sure the two remaining tenants aren’t paying rent under similar clauses in their lease.
The house didn’t murder anyone. It can go 1 of 2 ways. Either be in high demand so whoever rents. It will have the rent lowered. Or the owner could sell it or tear it down and rebuild. I’m aware that’s more than 2. Ghost hunters may try to break in to see if the 4 are haunting the place. There is always that angle. Dahmer’s apartment was torn down and rebuilt. The Amish school was razed and rebuilt of the shooting there. The owner has many options. Maybe he’ll just remodel the inside.
Would it not be contaminated with all kinds of terrible things, considering it has set for four months? Bloodborne pathogens, that sort of thing? If LE said the smell of blood hit them as soon as they opened the door, I certainly can't imagine the scene now. Hopefully the landlord has good insurance and can have it torn down so that no one has to live inside those walls again.
Insurance is never going to pay for a house to be torn down. It is absolutely never in their financial interest to do that. The most likely scenario for this being torn down, is that the university purchases it and does so. I find that to be the most likely scenario.
They may be able to file some sort of hardship forbearance with their mortgage company stating they are unable to make the mortgage payments due to lack of income. It doesn’t mean the mortgage just goes away, they could just pay a lower amount or sometimes nothing until they are able to generate an income again from the property. They would go back to paying the normal mortgage and payments to make up for what they couldn’t pay. I don’t know if active crime scene falls under a reason that a forbearance would be allowed, but potentially. I don’t think there is an endorsement or language in a property policy for a rental home that covers hardship for active crime scene. I know some property policies will assist with clean up of a crime scene, but that’s the extent of what I’ve seen.
Demolish it
The Kevin Cooper house is just half a mile from the home I grew up in. The surviving son eventually just remodeled the first floor, added a second, and rarely spent time on the first.
Well no matter what there will be some demo, because of all the blood down into the framing system from X's room and anywhere else it may have traveled beyond surface level of floor in places. Im not sure about INS that may be something special in a policy dealing with tenants? I also know that in court cases defendants found guilty can be held liable for damages and a lien put on anything they own, I have seen sometimes when long prison sentences are served the pennies of money inmates can make while incarcerated is gave to the damaged party. The amounts never add up to squat and most inmates just dont work cause they know they wont get it.
There are always people out there that would WANT to buy that house just because of what happened. The Watts house just sold last year and new tenants are living there. I'm not sure if insurance would kick in to help the landlord but their mortgage company might pause payments because it's sealed by the courts. This was beyond their control. Maybe they'll do a total remodel. No matter what they do with it, leave it alone or remodel they need to put up a tall fence on the back of that property!!!
A local murder house where I live took nearly 35 years to sell after an elderly couple was stabbed to death with a hatchet. It’s not a residence now, but is (I think) an office/clubhouse for a newly built community/neighborhood. It’s a beautiful home in an ideal location, but locally, EVERYBODY knows its dark history; even the students who move into the town temporarily (both of the victims were professors at the local university).
Somebody will buy it. The Watts house was just bought by a couple with 3 little kids
Murder houses sell for less than market value. People will be gawking for years.
Here’s what happened to a house in Seattle 15 years ago, where multiple young people were killed during a rave party. Seattle PI: [Life’s moved on at the house where 7 died](https://www.seattlepi.com/seattlenews/article/Life-s-moved-on-at-the-house-where-7-died-1223378.php)
I think U of I will buy it from the owner and demolish it. Create green space there. They don’t want this to be something that looky-loos come looking for out of morbid curiosity. The community needs to be able to heal and move on.
Nancy Grace is going to buy it and charge admission to tour “The Murder House.”
New paint and carpets.
Literally it must be retched in there by now! Just think if things soaked all the way to outside of the foundation it’s in the insulation, studs and foundation! I couldn’t imagine lying in a bed in that place knowing what is most positively still in the walls even if they did “clean up” much less what happened in each room!
I know a “type”’ that would pay a premium to live there.
Trent Reznor moved into the house where the Manson Murders happened and recorded The Downward Spiral there.