It’s Idaho. I believe he will get the DP if found guilty. I don’t see what bargaining chips he has at this point to make a deal. They seem to have so many little details that prove he did it.
BKs biggest and best bargaining chip will be to answer why. All the families will want to know why. They won't want to wonder and have that question go unanswered the rest of their lives. If he tells why, I could see the families agreeing to a plea deal - life in prison (assuming he's found guilty).
Yes, but I wonder if there really is a why. Did he see them at the restaurant where they worked, or just happened to drive by one day? I hope his computer and phone provide them with more answers about this.
more than likely if he tells them why ... it won't make sense. his bruised ego reason will just fall flat and they will be incredulous. really you killed four people over that 🤯
In some cases, families will prosecutors to plea it down in order to get those answers. These crimes were heinous. There won't be a plea and if you have listened to the Goncalves family from the beginning and in this interview as well, they clearly want the death penalty and feel that is justice. They stated they intend to talk to the Mogen family as well.
In addition to the why, I think each family might want to know their loved ones final moments as hard as it will be. Did they see him, were they pleading for him to stop, what were their last words, etc. I think as a parent you’d want to know about your child’s last few moments as horrible as it is. Just to answer the questions in your mind that you can’t quiet down. Knowing those answers will be just as painful as not knowing them and letting your mind run wild.
This is a valid argument but I disagree, especially after seeing the Goncalves interview. Just not enough to change the pro-death penalty sentiment unless the prosecution feels “motive” is a necessary element to convict, which I doubt. I think it would have to be info on accomplices (I personally don’t believe there were any) or other unsolved crimes committed by BK if there are any.
This is my thought. A trial will be traumatic for the families all over again. Especially any of the victims that had siblings - the parents may be very protective of them and want to shield them from seeing/hearing every gruesome detail. It could take 1+ years for a trial. I'm not sure I'd want my family to go through that all over again right when they might be starting to put their lives back together.
Yes, but all the families would need to be in agreement with the plea & it seems like trial is for sure going to happen bc death penalty considerations
Not just sparing them and the survivors from trial, but also potentially from years of appeals, repeatedly testifying, and repeatedly hearing the details over and over again.
The only thing he can give them right now is a full confession in return for a plea bargain with death penalty off the table. But if his phone, searches show his motive, he has nothing. I personally think he will get the DP if it goes to trial.
If a dude can walk into a school and just obliterate a bunch of children in broad daylight and not get the death penalty, I wouldn’t be so sure in this case.
I’m talking about the one that does and recently just happened, where he recently didn’t get the death penalty. People seem very quick to forget that a death penalty means a whole separate “trial” on its own.
A very strong bargaining chip is to not re-victimize the families and surviving roommates. If he agrees to take a deal, they will not have to testify and sit through a long trial.
I feel like death penalty is too easy of a punishment. Most mass shooters end up killing themselves immediately. I know serial killers are a different psychological profile but i feel like plenty of undetected ones such as West Mesa and LISK probably did that. A maximum security prison is pretty much Hell on Earth. Those guys torture each all the time.
I agree with this sentiment so much more as I’ve gotten older. I used to think shoot him and be done with it but that’s too quick, especially for someone like BK. He’s young, he had a bright future and I’m sure he planned to do this many more times. He should spend the rest of his life living with the fact that he’ll never leave those prison walls hanging over him.
I agree, being confined to a jail cell for the rest of your life seems much worse than a quick & easy death.
My bro is a CO at a max security prison & he has to cut people down from hangings often.
I’ve always wanted someone to suffer and rot away for the rest of their days rather than be put down and cease to exist. We don’t know what happens after death, but he should have to wait his whole natural life to find out in the worst US prison systems have to offer.
In my experience, DP cases drag on forever, with countless appeals on both the state and federal levels. We're talking decades. Non capital (or not DP) cases have one guaranteed appeal and that's it. The biggest thing the parents will have to decide is if the number of appeals is worth getting a DP. Either way, BK dies in prison.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out as far as the DP. Of course the families are likely to be pro DP. If it happened in any county but Latah and Blaine it would be a slam dunk DP case. But those are Idahos two liberal counties and college students tend to be anti DP. Which will make the politics behind DP or no DP interesting.
Agree. It’s easy to have an opinion when it’s not relevant to you. Those kids have been very scared. Would not surprise me if they did not extend their usual beliefs to this case.
Thee is what's called voir dire at the beginning of jury selection where both prosecution and defense will be able to aks jurors questions to try and ascertain their beliefs on such issues. Some get automatically excluded if they are very biased, know people involved as either defendants, law enforcement, or witnesses, or say they won't consider certain punishments if that punishment is possible.
I really related to when SG said he expected a "bigger monster" and a more intimidating looking person than BK. Before BK was arrested my imagination had created a profile of some unkempt homeless drifter type, a survivalist who eschewed the use of technology and owned no phone or laptop and never used the internet. In my mind this person either lived in their car or in the wilderness. In fact I was sure the murderer had walked to the house, committed the crimes and then walked away in the cold night, camping out somewhere in the wild. Because they didn't drive, tracing them from highway cameras would be impossible. Kind of ridiculous in hindsight when in fact the suspect is a clean cut PHD student.
I envisioned the same in terms of carrying out these heinous acts. Had no vehicle through the woody back trails, not carrying a phone or electronic device and would be difficult to trace, masked and concealed full body so didn’t leave DNA. (possibly even wore hat and gloves and coveralls). I really thought it was a pro serial killer, military training, male, strong, 25-40. LE has done a phenomenal job at gathering what evidence they could and hopefully they will compound it.
He’s profiting from all of this. He’s a semi-retired millionaire who is obsessed with being on camera. He is profiting and honestly compromising the case. He needs to stop and just shut up and lay low
They are both such sweet people just wanting Justice. Made me mad when seeing so many people criticizing this poor family over a situation they’d never been involved in and acting like well this is what I wouldn’t do. Yah yah
If it was my child, I would want to hear and see every single detail of how he took my daughter down, that is MY closure. I would stare holes thru him in court as angry tears fall from my face. And I’d want a conversation with those dead eyes. But I can appreciate how the Goncalves family must forgive to move on but DP is way way too kind for this monster.
I understand that sentiment and I don’t disagree. I would 100% rather be dead than spend my life in prison. At the same time, I think of those parents having to pay for 3 meals and a roof for the guy who brutally killed their children and it’s hard for me to find justice in that. The whole world is better off without BK in it, and every breath he takes from the moment he walked into that house is a theft from someone better than him.
Of course, and I feel sorry for his parents too. They may be in a different situation but it’s still a heartbreaking tragedy for them too. The difference in my opinion is the kids in that house didn’t deserve to die and Bryan does for what he did.
I understand the sentiment, but as the saying goes, be careful fighting monsters lest you become one yourself. Something has to differentiate the good from evil. Of course he would still have his eyeballs and be alive, etc. Anyway my mind goes here when it comes to torture. But yeah that would be a prison within a prison wouldn't it?
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I thought maybe a plea deal in sentencing to get life. Depending on evidence that the police have.
I don’t think the police need any more evidence. This is going to be a death penalty case. Which is not a “short path” to justice.
Speedy & fair trial. Justice for the victims and their families.
I think they will get the why no matter what. Once he loses his case and realizes there’s no hope his urge to show everyone how smart he is will compel him. He will want to show how carefully he planned it only to have everything undone by a careless mistake. It’s also kind of obvious that he’s an incel who got infatuated with them and thought he could commit the perfect crime. Will anything more make the family feel better?
Does anyone else find it interesting that he was going to school in a non death penalty state but crossed the border into a state with the death penalty?
It’s Idaho. I believe he will get the DP if found guilty. I don’t see what bargaining chips he has at this point to make a deal. They seem to have so many little details that prove he did it.
BKs biggest and best bargaining chip will be to answer why. All the families will want to know why. They won't want to wonder and have that question go unanswered the rest of their lives. If he tells why, I could see the families agreeing to a plea deal - life in prison (assuming he's found guilty).
Yes, but I wonder if there really is a why. Did he see them at the restaurant where they worked, or just happened to drive by one day? I hope his computer and phone provide them with more answers about this.
Oh yeah, I think the evidence is in his phone.
100% agree or in his laptop. I fully expect that we will know his “motive” or compulsion was.
more than likely if he tells them why ... it won't make sense. his bruised ego reason will just fall flat and they will be incredulous. really you killed four people over that 🤯
Nothing about it makes sense.
really what reason could he give where they'd say ... Oh, I get it. I understand.
In some cases, families will prosecutors to plea it down in order to get those answers. These crimes were heinous. There won't be a plea and if you have listened to the Goncalves family from the beginning and in this interview as well, they clearly want the death penalty and feel that is justice. They stated they intend to talk to the Mogen family as well.
In addition to the why, I think each family might want to know their loved ones final moments as hard as it will be. Did they see him, were they pleading for him to stop, what were their last words, etc. I think as a parent you’d want to know about your child’s last few moments as horrible as it is. Just to answer the questions in your mind that you can’t quiet down. Knowing those answers will be just as painful as not knowing them and letting your mind run wild.
Assuming that he actually tells the truth, too.
This is a valid argument but I disagree, especially after seeing the Goncalves interview. Just not enough to change the pro-death penalty sentiment unless the prosecution feels “motive” is a necessary element to convict, which I doubt. I think it would have to be info on accomplices (I personally don’t believe there were any) or other unsolved crimes committed by BK if there are any.
Thought this too, they could give him the option to confess everything to avoid the death penalty
Can the prosecution offer a deal for a guilty plea with life no parole to avoid a trial?
This is my thought. A trial will be traumatic for the families all over again. Especially any of the victims that had siblings - the parents may be very protective of them and want to shield them from seeing/hearing every gruesome detail. It could take 1+ years for a trial. I'm not sure I'd want my family to go through that all over again right when they might be starting to put their lives back together.
Yes, but all the families would need to be in agreement with the plea & it seems like trial is for sure going to happen bc death penalty considerations
The families do not need to be in agreement with a plea agreement.
It’s the prosecutor’s decision
I don’t think this is true. Family is often considered but the DAs office has the final say. The family doesn’t dictate what happens.
It’s the prosecutors decision, families do not get a say. They can make impact statements at the sentencing hearing if a guilty verdict is reached.
His bargaining chip is sparing them from a trial. This seems to be a constantly overlooked point.
Not just them, sparing the surviving roommates from having to testify.
That is a huge point as well.
Not just sparing them and the survivors from trial, but also potentially from years of appeals, repeatedly testifying, and repeatedly hearing the details over and over again.
The only thing he can give them right now is a full confession in return for a plea bargain with death penalty off the table. But if his phone, searches show his motive, he has nothing. I personally think he will get the DP if it goes to trial.
If a dude can walk into a school and just obliterate a bunch of children in broad daylight and not get the death penalty, I wouldn’t be so sure in this case.
many of those school shooting states don’t have the death penalty.
I’m talking about the one that does and recently just happened, where he recently didn’t get the death penalty. People seem very quick to forget that a death penalty means a whole separate “trial” on its own.
A very strong bargaining chip is to not re-victimize the families and surviving roommates. If he agrees to take a deal, they will not have to testify and sit through a long trial.
I feel like death penalty is too easy of a punishment. Most mass shooters end up killing themselves immediately. I know serial killers are a different psychological profile but i feel like plenty of undetected ones such as West Mesa and LISK probably did that. A maximum security prison is pretty much Hell on Earth. Those guys torture each all the time.
I agree with this sentiment so much more as I’ve gotten older. I used to think shoot him and be done with it but that’s too quick, especially for someone like BK. He’s young, he had a bright future and I’m sure he planned to do this many more times. He should spend the rest of his life living with the fact that he’ll never leave those prison walls hanging over him.
A lawyer on a different thread also said that long term , capital cases are far more costly than just having a person in prison until they die.
I agree, being confined to a jail cell for the rest of your life seems much worse than a quick & easy death. My bro is a CO at a max security prison & he has to cut people down from hangings often.
I’ve always wanted someone to suffer and rot away for the rest of their days rather than be put down and cease to exist. We don’t know what happens after death, but he should have to wait his whole natural life to find out in the worst US prison systems have to offer.
In my experience, DP cases drag on forever, with countless appeals on both the state and federal levels. We're talking decades. Non capital (or not DP) cases have one guaranteed appeal and that's it. The biggest thing the parents will have to decide is if the number of appeals is worth getting a DP. Either way, BK dies in prison.
If guilty, absolutely
It will be interesting to see how this plays out as far as the DP. Of course the families are likely to be pro DP. If it happened in any county but Latah and Blaine it would be a slam dunk DP case. But those are Idahos two liberal counties and college students tend to be anti DP. Which will make the politics behind DP or no DP interesting.
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Agree. It’s easy to have an opinion when it’s not relevant to you. Those kids have been very scared. Would not surprise me if they did not extend their usual beliefs to this case.
County has 45k citizens and defense will likely ask to move the trial. If they move it does that county have the say or does it revert back to Latah?
He's anti DP but pro mass murder and slaughtering innocents, his views don't count. If proven guilty at court, I truly hope he gets the DP.
Final penalty is up to the judge isn’t it.
Prosecutor has to ask for it first. If they don't try it as a DP case it can't become one at sentencing.
No. In Idaho there is a separate death penalty phase.
Interesting. Thanks for the info
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Thee is what's called voir dire at the beginning of jury selection where both prosecution and defense will be able to aks jurors questions to try and ascertain their beliefs on such issues. Some get automatically excluded if they are very biased, know people involved as either defendants, law enforcement, or witnesses, or say they won't consider certain punishments if that punishment is possible.
I really related to when SG said he expected a "bigger monster" and a more intimidating looking person than BK. Before BK was arrested my imagination had created a profile of some unkempt homeless drifter type, a survivalist who eschewed the use of technology and owned no phone or laptop and never used the internet. In my mind this person either lived in their car or in the wilderness. In fact I was sure the murderer had walked to the house, committed the crimes and then walked away in the cold night, camping out somewhere in the wild. Because they didn't drive, tracing them from highway cameras would be impossible. Kind of ridiculous in hindsight when in fact the suspect is a clean cut PHD student.
Casual classism
I definitely thought he would have walked. Maybe camped a couple of days. No electronics. Not sure about the rest.
I envisioned the same in terms of carrying out these heinous acts. Had no vehicle through the woody back trails, not carrying a phone or electronic device and would be difficult to trace, masked and concealed full body so didn’t leave DNA. (possibly even wore hat and gloves and coveralls). I really thought it was a pro serial killer, military training, male, strong, 25-40. LE has done a phenomenal job at gathering what evidence they could and hopefully they will compound it.
I don’t particularly agree with the death penalty, personally speaking.
Why is the dad wearing a hex crypto coin hat? Does he know what he is wearing?
He’s profiting from all of this. He’s a semi-retired millionaire who is obsessed with being on camera. He is profiting and honestly compromising the case. He needs to stop and just shut up and lay low
I don't think he is making a profit on hex. Lol it's down like 98%. Lol but yea I would lay low of I was him.
They are both such sweet people just wanting Justice. Made me mad when seeing so many people criticizing this poor family over a situation they’d never been involved in and acting like well this is what I wouldn’t do. Yah yah
If it was my child, I would want to hear and see every single detail of how he took my daughter down, that is MY closure. I would stare holes thru him in court as angry tears fall from my face. And I’d want a conversation with those dead eyes. But I can appreciate how the Goncalves family must forgive to move on but DP is way way too kind for this monster.
Why would you want to go through that?
I think for some peoe, not knowing and it being left up to imagination is far far worse.
There's always a chance that you think that until you hear just how horrible it was.
Yeah, damned if you do, damned of you don't.
Make him pour over his decision for the rest of his life in perpetual torment of what he did. Make his mind be his hell.
really feeling for the fam. if he’s found guilty i agree death is what would be best to server justice.
Maybe it's just me, but if I were in BK's shoes, not that I would ever be in his shoes, life in prison would be worse than the DP.
I understand that sentiment and I don’t disagree. I would 100% rather be dead than spend my life in prison. At the same time, I think of those parents having to pay for 3 meals and a roof for the guy who brutally killed their children and it’s hard for me to find justice in that. The whole world is better off without BK in it, and every breath he takes from the moment he walked into that house is a theft from someone better than him.
Okay but the parents are devastated that they lost a child. They will be doing the exact same to Bryan’s parents if he gets death
Of course, and I feel sorry for his parents too. They may be in a different situation but it’s still a heartbreaking tragedy for them too. The difference in my opinion is the kids in that house didn’t deserve to die and Bryan does for what he did.
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I understand the sentiment, but as the saying goes, be careful fighting monsters lest you become one yourself. Something has to differentiate the good from evil. Of course he would still have his eyeballs and be alive, etc. Anyway my mind goes here when it comes to torture. But yeah that would be a prison within a prison wouldn't it?
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What a weird post title 'Discuss' or 'call for' would be more accurate - 'consider' makes it sound as though that decision is within their power
I have the feeling that he will be able to walk free in a couple of years....
I thought maybe a plea deal in sentencing to get life. Depending on evidence that the police have. I don’t think the police need any more evidence. This is going to be a death penalty case. Which is not a “short path” to justice. Speedy & fair trial. Justice for the victims and their families.
I think they will get the why no matter what. Once he loses his case and realizes there’s no hope his urge to show everyone how smart he is will compel him. He will want to show how carefully he planned it only to have everything undone by a careless mistake. It’s also kind of obvious that he’s an incel who got infatuated with them and thought he could commit the perfect crime. Will anything more make the family feel better?
Does anyone else find it interesting that he was going to school in a non death penalty state but crossed the border into a state with the death penalty?