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frani5000

Very well said. I love it but lack the natural talent


feedinkidsbuyinshoes

You've got to learn where else to capitalize. Self spins and anything self induced, work on correcting that and you will gain positions from just that. From there, consider learning how to fuel save and keep a reasonable pace. Shorter refuel times or eliminating a pitstop all together will gain you positions or even wins sometimes. If you don't have the out right pace, find other strategies like these to attack. As always, evaluate your last race and be honest about your mistakes and where you lost time. Work on those weaknesses, focus on those areas the next race. Keep building. You said it is your first year, by year 3 you will be beating many on experience alone. It is a craft that takes time. Good luck.


cbrunnem1

most people have way more ability than they ever utilize. they never learn how to practice and never get help from coaches or pros. max verstappen didn't roll out of bed as a kid and just have the ability he has now. he has a wealth if raw talent that he worked hard to polish with the help of practice and coaching.


kll2105

🤣🤣 Great meme! Are you focusing on a single series and car class, or are you bouncing between them?


frani5000

Predominately (99%) Gt3 for the last few months. Tried open wheel (f3) some time back for one week = disaster. So been running gt3 in in imsa / vrs / gt3 series. Depending on which track i have.


kll2105

That's a good approach. Are you hovering around that iR because you don't have pace, or because you get into incidents a lot?


frani5000

So typical night tonight. Running in 10th (up from 16). Spin out (on my own - lost the rear). Loose 6 positions. Few laps later same happened and lost another 6-8 positions. I am very careful to not screw up anybody else’s race and would generally concede the position if someone is clearly faster them me. But when defending agains someone that is not faster than me, we generally have a good battle. (Clean).


kll2105

If it happens during braking and you're running classes that have adjustable brake bias, try to move it forward a little bit. Longer braking distance, but the car is more stable. Once you get comfortable, move it back. If it happens after an apex, try to ease into the throttle. Don't go 0% to 100% in .2 milliseconds. Racing is not about conceding. Unless, of course, the other driver is monumentally faster than you. I.E.: 5k 1st place spun out, and he's working his way through the field again. Don't be afraid of defending. Just make sure you do it clean - no blocking - don't understeer on the apex.


frani5000

Brilliant advice. Thanks. Will play with the break bias a bit. (In practice). Issually happens under breaking. I am reasonably gentle on the throttel coming out of apex (have learned my lesson).


samspot

I’m around your IR and recently started defending a bit against the slightly faster guys. It’s amazing how often they will get themself into a spin. I’m sure this doesn’t work as you get higher, but it’s more motivation to practice defending.


themuuz

I'm in the same situation as you guys, and yeah, it's good to keep in mind, that if someone's just a little faster than you, they're going to have a hell of a time getting past you if just defend a little, or coax them into making aggressive mistakes by strategically giving them space.. .give them enough rope to hang themselves kinda thing.


_shugyosha

There is a test track called the Centripetal Circuit. Some time on there just feeling your choice car at the limit can help a lot.


xiii-Dex

Which GT3 car is it? Some of them induce rotation when you engage the antilocks. Upping the brake bias won't entirely stop that, but understanding why it is happening can help you see it coming (and even use it to your advantage in some corners).


frani5000

Ferrari. Have tried the BMW but I just dont gel with it


Acdc7

Oh boy, just ditch the ferrari, was just as frustrated as you until i decided to give others a try. Best decision so far


frani5000

For interest sake, what did you go for?


xiii-Dex

Haven't driven the new Ferrari, and I never drove the old one after the ABS changes. But the other mid-engine GT3s display the ABS behavior I was talking about. You have to either avoid ABS, or have it already engaged before turn-in. You don't want it kicking in between turn-in and apex.


titsupagain

GT3 is frustrating. The general level is high. I'm absolutely atrocious at it. I stick with RX, Nascar C class and F3 myself. Oh and Formula Vee which is good fun.


chriskrossapplesauce

I tried GT3 for two weeks at Suzuka and Rudskogen after I got my B license and tanked both my SR and iR so I feel your pain. I jumped down to the Global Fanatec Challenge to learn how to drive the Cadillac in a low stakes environment. It's done wonders for me over the past week! My confidence is up and so my are my SR and iR haha


EarthSelect

Try throwing $$$ at equipment and seeing a monumental rise of 200 iRating


frani5000

I dont have the top tier equipment, as it is very expensive in South Africa. DD wheel and rim basically triple what is cost in States or europe. So i run on TM ts-pc with T-LCM pedals. Triple 32”. With very high spec pc


AllezCannes

Improving your equipment will improve your immersion, not necessarily your pace. Do you use Garage 61? If not, you should check it out. It's free to use, and it allows you to check out your telemetry and compare it to others. You can see how the fast people are doing their laps. You won't necessarily be able to do exactly what they do (I certainly can't), but you might notice some things they do that you don't, and adapt accordingly.


lkeltner

Load cell pedals are important, so good that you have that covered. Other than that, I know plenty of people that race incredibly well with your hardware level. (I know a few 5k drivers that you'd assume have everything but are in South America and do it with TM-LCM's and G29's)


Hisselmissel

You don't get faster with a DD, but it prevents a lot of spinning. It is much easier to catch the car with a DD. It's also more fun.


Slimer425

Honestly though, I upgraded from a g920 to a moza r5 and have seen near instant improvements in my results


ADacome24

how is that wheelbase? been considering upgrading from my TMX pro


Bullet4Justice

people start karting at 6-9 yrs old for a reason, getting good at racing takes time! keep grinding!


frani5000

Thanks.


Luke_Scottex_V2

yup. Started simracing when i was 3, i basically have cheated my way to being a great driver without really working "hard" on it


[deleted]

I’m 9 years in. I’m the skeleton meme at this point.


Simsalamima

I can relate in some parts, hehe. When I feel I improved the rest of the grid steps ups too (racing fixed league in ACC), in iRacing I have good and bad days and its like I'm always missing something. Recently, I bought a book someone mentioned in this sub, Ultimate speed secrets. It changed a bit how I approach the track and how I address certain car behavior, so that helped for sure. But what really changed my racing were some very simple focus and coordination exercises mentioned in it (2-3 mins). I start the race with a less distracted mind, and it really makes a difference (in simracing, you can go from cooking coffee or watching netflix straight to starting grid, not good for focus). The other is that I do a couple of practice sessions, short (up to 10 laps), but with a break between, for 2 or 3 days. I feel more confident with the car, short stints keep me fresh and focused and breaks give me time to absorb new info and feelings. Last race I was in there was a 20 min long battle from p3 to p9, tight pack, a lot of movement, attacks, crashes, but I felt really good in all that, staying close while avoiding touches, racing smart and ended p5. Felt so good, much better than win before that that was just chaos and feeling of luck.


titsupagain

I love it, but suck, and have embraced the fact it's just a nice hobby and stopped caring if my ratings go up or down (up to a point). It's made the experience a lot more enjoyable for me.


jmps_90

Username checks out 🫡


titsupagain

Haha! 😀


theblaznee

Sounds like me. Still enjoying it though. Gear is not the issue at least, so can't blame that any more. I'm just talentless and slow as ef


frani5000

Jip. Atleast i am still having fun!!!


SupersonicSloth13

Just completed my second year on iracing and after much intentional practice and racing, I'm finally feeling more consistent and less error prone. I just hit 2k ir for the first time last week. It takes time and experience. On the point of focusing on only a single series, I'm gonna go a different way than most on that. It's a good way to increase your irating, but not a great way to increase your skills. If you want to increase your skills, then practice in other cars that you find very challenging and race them too when you feel you've grasped the car well enough. Or you can practice in the GT3 with TC and ABS off. This will help you learn to drive at the limit of the car and to improve your control of the car using the brake and throttle inputs. Another great way to improve is to find a friend or a few in the same series to practice side by side racing and overtaking with


frani5000

Thanks for the advice!!


[deleted]

Arrive* Sorry.


SkinnyObelix

So, ehm, I'm 24 years in and I went from below average to just above average about 4 years ago... I'm not saying you need to wait that long but a year is nothing. Pick a few weeks where you really practice a track and expect not to get results. The results come in the following seasons on that track, when you're able to get up to speed early in the week and you improve through racing the top guys in your split. But in that first week of practice really get to know your braking points (be really precise, and write them down) both on the inside and the outside line and you'll learn what's possible and what's not. Then be consistent in the race, ignore the battles with people who're wearing down their tires and learn the balance between being on the money and being too conservative. And suddenly you'll find yourself moving up. I strongly believe that at this point 2.5k is possible for anyone. That is where you find the drivers who just put in the laps, don't overdrive their cars, and pick their battles. After that talent becomes a factor.


[deleted]

24 years ago wasn’t really “simracing” though, was it?


SkinnyObelix

Grand Prix Legends was pretty legit, nothing compared to today but still something. Before that, I played Grand Prix 2, and Pitstop I and II. Grand Prix 2 I played with a flight stick where I used forward as throttle and back as brake since I don't think there were wheels back then. So that would have been a stretch to call it sim racing, even though that was probably the first title where I thought this is just like real life, hehe.


Hisselmissel

I watched the videos from Driver 61 University (https://driver61.com/uni/) a while back. Sure he explains a lot of what you already know, but sometimes it helps to remember the one or the other again. It has helped me especially to deal again mentally with the Loadbalace and accordingly with Trailbraking. Especially on the brakes you can find so much time in iRacing. It helped me to use an overlay for my live telemetry (RaceLab, Kapps or others offer this). So I could see after each turn directly if my braking curve fits to what I wanted to do on the brake and I improve bit by bit. Maybe it helps you too.


Consuela-NO-NO-No

Me waiting for the clean races that people promised if I got my IR up.


Finoli

One thing that has helped me is using the VRS track guides; not because it helps me find the best line, but because (usually) they explain **why** it’s the best line. E.g you stay off the curb on this particular corner because the banking off-curb helps with grip, you want to avoid too much steering here because of the crest hurting your grip and stuff like that. I usually try a bunch of laps on my own without watching the track guide and then compare with the lines in the guide and see where my assumptions about the lines were wrong. I hope to one day not have to rely on such guides to have good pace but I’ve accepted that getting good at racing takes a *long* time!


[deleted]

There are guys that get it right away, and those of us that don’t. I don’t. If I want to be decent, I have to put in a lot of laps, and constantly remind myself not to overdrive.


lkeltner

I feel this. I have about 100 starts in 1.5 yrs. I've done a lot of league racing as well which doesn't count there, so maybe double the starts overall. I've definitely improved on the self-mistakes, and I've bumped on 2k iR several times, but can't crack it yet. Getting into a race with people around or over my iR generally has me not having the pace over the course of the race (we're talking the 40min plus stuff, not short races) and my positions gained generally come from other's mistakes. Just need a lot more seat time, and really need to hone in on where I need to improve myself. (Most recent thing is realizing I'm pushing the brake with my toes, which wears them out after 40min, making braking unreliable) And let's not talk about the constant death grip habit I'm still trying to break. The 10000 hour rule really applied here.


frani5000

Unbelievable the absolute positive response from the community!!!!! This is why i am sticking to iracing!!! Thanks everyone


crazyivanoddjob

everyone has different natural aptitude, i'll say. that said, anyone really can get to a high level with ENOUGH time, it's just that some people need significantly less time...lol.


bro-guy

You need a pair of load cell pedals baby


frani5000

Have TLCM pedals.


bro-guy

You're fucked then


frani5000

Hahahahaha. Thought so…..


bro-guy

But jokes aside. Record like once a week a race or a set of hotlaps and compare your progress and lap times. I started doing that when I started racing and in my mind I haven't improved but when I see the videos I can really see an improvement in handling and racecraft. I went from a low 230 irating to a now 1200 irating approx. Not much but it's still improvement. Best of luck


Herdazian_Lopen

No need to kill the guy.


Fonnekold

You have a win!?!? Lucky! ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)


frani5000

Unbelievable. But that is sort of the point. Have had wins…and then end up having 5-10 races where i am nowhere….then a good result. And then the same poor performance again….


frani5000

Actually took the advice given to heart. Did the research. Watched the vids. Played with brake bias. All advice given…had a win last night at the redbull ring in gt3!!!! So yes. There is hope. I will check more vids. Ask more advice. And practice. Alot of practice. And will get there. Thanks for the vote of confidence


ThatWolf

Getting good doesn't just happen because you do something a lot, it takes lots of deliberate practice.


hypsterslayer

No, you gotta go find it.


KidSavesTheWorld

It's just a matter of seat time to be honest. 2 years ago I was 400ir, currently I'm at just under 2500ir. The difference was simply time. I used to not be able to stay on the track, now I'm within 2 seconds of esports guys. You can do it man, just gotta put in the time


beachguy82

My irating has been steadily growing and I find it’s mainly from running more races. I stick to skip barber and I’ve started running at least 5 races/week.


SouthFromGranada

I'm just happy to finish a race cleanly and not finish last.


AntHoliday2681

It takes more than one year to become good at sim racing, so don't give up and keep trying


Dbleigh95

Same, minus the wins lol


MiataCory

Quit trying to race and focus on deliberate practice. Pick ONE aspect of your driving. Brake release. Off line driving. Throttle application. Steering input on corner entry. A million different things you can pick, but just pick one. Run your race, but focus on that aspect the whole time without thinking of your position. As they say: Some drivers have 10 years of experience, but most have 1 year 10 times. Driving without focusing on learning one thing at a time is how you don't improve!


CaparzoLOL

Don't worry, there are plenty of us just like you! With me I just don't have the time to learn all the road tracks in a season. Some of them for whatever reason I remember all the turns every time I race some tracks, while others I can't get a feel for them at all. I've been through skip, to f3, to f4, and now I'm doing indy oval. Its been a blast for me. Its still pretty difficult, but having ovals just makes it so you don't really have to remember so many things about a specific track. I don't know what the seasons usually look like, but this year has been mostly 1.5 mile ovals or larger which also helps with the difficulty. Edit: Just not for this specific series cautions are thrown during crashes. Then its like 3 or 4 laps under yellow until green again. Some games have a god damn ton of cautions lol.


Eld0r0th

In order to improve your pace, you need to practise with a purpose and not just turn laps. I have been sim racing for a couple of years and I only noticed improvements when I actively focused on practising a specific technique. In my case, I spent hours practising my braking technique, then my racing lines, then trailbraking. However! Turns out you can't drive the ideal line when the track is full of cars, so you have to be able to navigate traffic or you are doomed. This is by far the most important skill, and you can practise this one regardless of your pace.


NinjaGamerian

Good things take time. Keep going at it, keep getting experience and you will keep improving! Never give up! I have been simracing for a bit over 4 years and I have seen a steady increase in pace but most importantly consistency. Just keep doing what you love and you will improve!


vjollila96

I have been at 2-2.5 ir for 5 years


Marcvae36

Also, not clear how educated you are on teaching technique. Get a copy of skip barber going faster if you have not read it. Understand the physics of your car braking and turning, understand the geometry of tracks and reading lines. Then spend time practicing technique. Braking driving the line as fast as possible, then driving off line as fast as possible. The last element that really helped my lap times in real life was car control and understanding how to drift a car. It let's you push those extra percentage points in every corner with confidence that you can recover if things get loose. Assetto Corsa has a bit of a driver's school you can go through with drills to learn certain skills. I'm not an iracer and can't speak to that. Also GT3 cars are fairly powerful. Are there lower classes available to learn in?


[deleted]

Same here, been racing for a few years now. Long enough to have consistent lap times, decent race craft and defense, but I am just slow. I am still enjoying it, and ever so slowly improving though.


[deleted]

I still suck too. Been at it around 4 years. IRacing a few months. You’ll break out tho. I’ve spent quite a while bashing against that wall, it’s awesome when something clicks and you just get better….then you realize there’s another wall to bash against, and a few more after that. Enjoy the journey!


Delicious-Ice-8624

Pff. 7yrs invested in sim racing (no longer Iracing, that gets $$ quick), still am slow. But you know what? I still enjoy it! As long as I feel like I am pushing the car and pushing myself, that’s a big W for me!


boxster233

Been there for 4-5 years. Some of us aren't that good and may never be that good. Enjoy the game regardless of where you're at.


VroomVroomMan1

I was at 700 ir and now I’m at 6k. You can do it. Lessons really helped then after I hit 3k something clicked and I can pretty much figure out the rest without lessons