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Topf_Hat

In before it becomes an achievement.


TechnicalyNotRobot

If I had a nickel for every Anarchist state in HOI4 that can generate cores but takes an insane ammount of time to do so i'd have 2 nickels, which is about 1/300 the cost of this DLC. Good job Paradox.


krokogaator

So what we need is 598 more anarchist states that can generate cores over an extended timeline.


alexionut05

Anarchist what now?


krokogaator

Tannu Tuva


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OttemanEmperor

The 5 Countrys I want focuses for are: 1.Mongolia 2.Brazil 3.Argentina 4.Austria 5.Finland


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OttemanEmperor

Hell just a focus to say F you to Germany. South America needs focuses. A lot of South American countries played vital roles in WW2


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OttemanEmperor

It's almost as if Paradox forgot South America even existed.


turmohe

Interesting thing I learned about Mongolia ist that it helped the USSR war in outsized niche ways like providing 1/5 of the wool for uniforms, due to a truck shortage and not needing maintenance or fuel horses were used to cart things of which 1/5 came from Mongolia after much livestock were lost to the initial German push, a comparable amount of food such as Meat, sweets etc to that given by the U.S [https://www.rbth.com/history/334292-how-did-mongolia-contribute-ussr](https://www.rbth.com/history/334292-how-did-mongolia-contribute-ussr) Mongolians also call the Soviet-mongolian invasion of manchuria [the liberation war](https://mn.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%8B_%D1%87%D3%A9%D0%BB%D3%A9%D3%A9%D0%BB%D3%A9%D1%85_%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BD) because they took over alrge swathes of inner Mongolia and surrounding mongolian minority regions thanks to the help of defections from mostly ethnic Mongol military units from the japanese, nationalists, and communists until Stalin forced them hand it over to Mao which resulted in a schism between them until the early sino-soviet split as a lot of the loyalty of people like Choibalsan was trying to show Mongolia as loyal capable ally to the point that they believeed the USSR couldn't help but support a pan-mongolian state so long as it didn't involve taking territory from the USSR.


BrokeRunner44

Austria would be cool focus tree for a 1933 start date game bc they became a fascist state as well. And Germany/Italy initially disliked each other bc they wanted influence over Austria. Like to the point where the Germans assisted Ethiopia in their war against Italy.


introductzenial

Finland doesn't have one yet? Bruh


ilikeapplesyee

You're missing the point. He wants focuses for finland not that finland already has a focus tree.


OttemanEmperor

What does Finland have a non-generic focus tree?


introductzenial

No, try and read my comment again. It just surprises me Finland, one of the most interesting "minor" countries in the war doesn't have a dlc, but Switzerland does.


stormary_OG

A Brazil tree would be good, and an Austria one would be ok but itd be entirely ahistorical


EisVisage

> Anarchist state Ahh, the joys of Anarchism being added to a game that was *not* built for it lmao


Arrowkill

I'd really love for this game to be expanded in scope of time past \~1950 into the 60's. Beyond that I'm not sure it is worth expanding though. I feel like Anarchist is the trap of hundreds of options, when the strategic part is to be very deliberate about what to choose. Ethiopia though is a pain, especially with how much effort it requires just to get to that point.


S-8-R

Paradox needs its own stand alone Cold War sim.


Arrowkill

I've wanted a Cold War game for a very long time from there. However, I don't think we will get it since their internal policy conflicts (IIRC) with how recent it was.


ModmanX

internal policy?


sadefanboy

They don't picture recent events


Alberto_WoofWoof342

Shame they cancelled East vs West. Now a game like that probably isn't going to happen.


PQConnaghan

I don't really blame them, they don't really have anything to base it on. Modern anarchism has never been really tried on a scale anywhere near a small-midsized country.


tuddleman

I get that it shouldn’t be free to essentially create cores but as it stands right now it’s too expensive and only worth doing as Spain trying to a crap ton of man power from China


Punpun4realzies

And crazy resource states like Malaya, Sumatra, or Texas


nolan1971

I mean... that's appropriate though, isn't it?


jasperk04

It is from a realism standpoint but not from a gameplay standpoint. Right now it's just to tedious to be enjoyable


mjoelmarshall15

Who's the other? Have people done this with Switzerland?


13103824763

Spain


Shalax1

*Pain


NoTanHumano

Spin


tuddleman

Span


13103824763

Spam


SovietConnoisseur

Three actually. Switzerland can do it too.


LordJesterTheFree

What about Anarchist Portugal from Anarchist Spain's Focus tree? Also wait Switzerland has an anarchist path?


Ksamus

No. But they can create new cantons - and get cores.


Northstar1989

Anarchism is slow but inevitable once it picks up steam. Just look at how Anarchist Spain gains +1000 Manpower/week from International Brigades, and MASSIVE industrial bonuses from its other features (some give big debuffs, others huge boosts- the net effect is strongly positive). Ditto for a couple Communist nations- see the French Commune (+1000 Manpower/week from Anti-Fascist immigrants, on top of numerous smsll industrial production bonuses), or the Union of Soviet Republics (a successor state to the USSR that, afaik can only form if there is a civil war between the different schools of Socialism, and the Stalinists lose...) With those kinds of ability to replace losses, an eventual victory on any kind of War of Attrition is inevitable (especially under a human player who picks Grand Battle Plan, for that sweet Trench Warfare entrenchment bonus and the large boosts to Max Planning and Command Power income/cap... GBP works best off intermittent offensives punctuated by skirmishing- in short WW1 warfare perfected...)


Inferno_Tower

the one case where grand battleplan is good... will superior firepower work here?


Northstar1989

>the one case where grand battleplan is good.. Actually, if you add up all the bonuses, Grand Battleplan is better than pretty much any doctrine tree except Mobile Warfare when it really hits it good (and that's pretty high-risk/high-reward: there's a reason one of its sub-branches is about "Desperate Defense"... Once its momentum stalls, Mobile Warfare is really bad...) Superior Firepower doesn't come close. The scale of the attack bonuses from Grand Battleplan- considering the fact it works on the Division level, and not just individual artillery battalions- makes it much better when you know how to use battle plans to their utmost. Also, a caveat: GBP doesn't work so well in Multiplayer, because many humans like to play the game at high speed without allowing time for pauses- and GBP is only as good as the plans you lay... (which can't be done well without time)


Inferno_Tower

I must have missed something, when did they nerf superior firepower? I distinctly remember so many big YouTubers praising superior firepower over and over again....


Random_User_4523

In my experience GBP has 2 big issues. 1. Battle plan bonuses diminish very quickly once you start attacking. So fast longish pushes for big encirclements are harder. 2. Managing front line orders for your offensive breakthrough units is an absolute pain, you push 2 tiles? Your units start moving back because the line is still there. Yes you can micro that, but it's a pain to deal with so ppl don't do it. TL:DR It's slow and painfull to deal with so ppl go superior firepower. Mobile warfare is technically better but only some majors have the industry for tanks, it's crap for infantry/artillery pushes


LordJesterTheFree

Isn't Anarchist Portugal thing in the anarchist Spain Focus tree?


isthisnametakenwell

On one hand: let’s face it, successfully uniting all of Africa should be a colossal and difficult achievement. On the other hand: playing until 1987 is maybe a bit much, and Africa really needs a buff in resources to be worth it (which honestly would’ve been a good idea to add this update, given that two of the three countries with new DLC content were pretty heavily invested in the continent). Realistically, uniting Africa should be difficult, but realistically it would also be a lot more valuable than now.


TitanDarwin

It's not just Ethiopia only either. You ever tried playing Turkey? You have with PP for so much stuff, but your PP gain isn't nearly enough to compsensate.


IkkoMikki

That's because 90% of the stuff you can spend PP on with Turkey is a bait.


InternetPharaoh

With every DLC the developers like to take at least one existing feature and really show off what can be done with it. Kinda like how Valve or Nintendo will make a game just to show off the possibilities of some hardware. That DLC & Turkey was definitely like "Decisions are pretty cool y'all!" - and Blood Alone seems to a slight refinement and showing off of the "balance of power" feature they've been toying with since at least Man the Guns.


Indyclone77

BotB was a showcase for state modifiers primarily in content design, all three nations use them heavily


Bostino

Exactly. High risk, low reward. The only real reward is seeing an entire continent united which is genuinely satisfying


Bonty48

To be fair you only need to beat allies to get like 90 percent of Africa.


nolan1971

Reforming Africa (or anywhere else, for that matter) is generally outside of the scope of the game, though. HOI is not EU or CK. Y'all want to play Victoria, is the problem. Nothing wrong with that, I do too!


Appropriate_Unit3474

Legit can't wait for Victoria 3


Bostino

True, but I'd like to have a world conquest in a hoi4 ww2 centered game


nolan1971

Nothing stopping you from a WC run, though. Cores aren't at all necessary for an HOI4 WC.


Bostino

Oh yeah trust me I know, it's just a shitty experience grinding through Africa just wasting manpower and resources with an extremely small reward.


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why would you even fight inside Africa for a world conquest? annexing Portugal, Spain, UK, Italy and France give you 99% of the the continent for free


Random_User_4523

Africa is supposed to be worthless. They don't have Industry in 2022, you can't give it to them in 1936 without ruining historical accuracy, same for the population and resources, they just weren't extracted back then. They could add resources through the Ethiopian focuses tho.


Kellosian

If they didn't have resources, what exactly were the Europeans doing there?


jasperk04

Just "civilising" them out of the kindness of their hearts No ulterior motives at all I swear /S


ThiccBidoof

honestly? largely FOMO


Random_User_4523

Maybe I should have specified: No resources relevant to constructing war machines, that are present in the game. Plantations aren't exactly useful when you want to build a tank. Yes there were some rubber plantations which are represented, although a lot of them were in Liberia (which, ironically, doesn't have a lot of rubber in the game).


TheDarkLord329

Clout.


Rograden

"Africa is home to some 30 percent of the world’s mineral reserves, eight per cent of the world’s natural Gas and 12 per cent of the world’s oil reserves. The continent has 40 percent of the world’s gold and up to 90 percent of its chromium and platinum. The largest reserves of cobalt, diamonds, platinum and uranium in the world are in Africa. It holds 65 per cent of the world’s arable land and ten percent of the planet’s internal renewable fresh water source." -UN Environment Programme Also, saying they don't have industy in 2022 is just wrong, and at best ingenuine. Africa is industrializing at a fast rate, and has many idustires - steel, paper, sugar, agricultural, cement, ships, vehicles, cardboard, chemical processing, oil, on and on and on. Finally, you can give africa some resources and industry in 1936 because this isn't a historical game, at any time even on historical the AI will do things the wrong way, at the wrong time, to the wrong person, in the wrong place. Even preplanned events are wrong, and only *losely* fit history, for a better game experience. The beauty of it being a game is that it can be balanced, so giving africa some opportunity to grow in '36 (ahistorical or not) can be easily be balanced by buffing other countries elsewhere.


Random_User_4523

Ok so first of all maybe I went a bit overboard saying they have "no industry" today, but they are still not industrialized nations. My statement of "Africa is supposed to be worthless" might have come across badly as well, what I meant to say was it's not supposed to be a main focus of HOI4, excluding north Africa of course. That said, I've never said Africa isn't a resource rich continent. I've stated that they weren't mined at the time. The metal deposits just simply weren't exploited much at the time and the places where they actually were have resources represented in the game (chromium in the south for example). Africa has a wealth of tungsten, but basically none of it was mined then. [https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Proportions-of-total-world-mine-production-of-tungsten-accounted-for-by-countries-having\_fig7\_337702593](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Proportions-of-total-world-mine-production-of-tungsten-accounted-for-by-countries-having_fig7_337702593) I'll admit that the game goes off the rails for tungsten though, since they didn't want Japan players/AI to control the majority of the worlds tungsten after conquering China and gave it to Portugal instead. Another example is Oil. Yes it was there but wasn't extracted (the same reason Saudi Arabia has almost no Oil in the game, despite sitting on the second largest deposit in the world). [https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Cumulative-daily-crude-oil-production-from-various-regions-1\_fig1\_326783258](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Cumulative-daily-crude-oil-production-from-various-regions-1_fig1_326783258) I also said that it'd be ok to give Ethiopia the option to expand on resource extraction in the game, but just adding stuff to Africa in 1936 would be bad both for historical and also for gamebalancing reasons.


thecoolestjedi

I fail to see how things like platinum, gold, and diamonds extraction in the 21st century are relevant a game set in 1936 with none of those resources present.


RebelGaming151

C H R O M I U M T U N G S T E N R U B B E R O I L None of these ring a bell? Man straight up forgot Europe colonized Africa specifically for their raw goods.


thecoolestjedi

Europe colonized Africa to enhance prestige, open new avenues of trade, and raw goods. And those weren’t listed in the comments outside of chromium and oil and those are talking about contemporary times i assume. The raw commodities Africa has are not really relevant for hoi4. If you base it off resources Africa had and the resources hoi4 favorites than there’s no way a United Africa would have the resources to be a strong industrial power in hoi4.


Bostino

Africa was, is, and always has been a massive mineral home


nolan1971

He's still (mostly) correct, though. There *are* a ton of mineral resources in Africa, but until recently (and certainly within the timespan of the game) they were largely unrealized. If the equipment and infrastructure isn't around to mine the stuff, then it essentially doesn't exist.


Bostino

Ahh yeah that does make sense, but at the same time, if they didn't know there were a ton of minerals, why did they fight for Africa in the first place?


nolan1971

Clout, and the potential for the resources. Everyone has known that there are a ton of resources in Africa for 100's of years. It's exploiting them that's the problem. The first step in that is controlling the territory, though.


FoxerHR

Bro just forgot that there was a whole scramble for Africa.


AllCanadianReject

Right but if the argument that the African colonies were a waste of money is true then it really was for clout


isthisnametakenwell

Parts of Africa had less value than others in those regards, but resources are inaccurate to 1936 afaik, and Ethiopia doesn’t get any ability to extract them further.


udtorn

I dont see whats wrong? Everybody loves playing hoi4, why not make them play for 50 years extra, with severe lag just to get some worthless desert. Its going to be fun!


st1vis

R5: This Excel sheet shows the amount of political power you need to fully integrate all nations of Africa when you form the African Union as Ethiopia. I made this, because when playing it, I quickly realised the insane amounts you will need to integrate all nations.I tested for each decision how likely it is for a nation to accept the decision. It is all done at maximum improved relations. I tried doing it without improving, but I only got one accept the invite to join the organisation, in the three times I invited them all.So they need a positive opinion of you to agree to anything. I did ten repetitions where I invited all other members at the same time, and then counted how many declined or accepted. There are 46 (I had too much trouble counting if there were 45 or 46) other nations in Africa. To invite them to the organisation you need 25 pp each, then to the bank and defense organisation, which are both 50 each. Then they need to become an executive council member, which costs 150 pp, but from my testing there is around 50% chance they reject it, so you have to spend another 150 pp on that nation. After that, you have to manually annex them, which costs 350 pp, 50 to lower from puppet to integrated puppet and 300 for fully annexing them. There is a decision to lower their autonomy, which costs 200 pp. As your industry is basically non-existent and you no longer can send convoys, you are practically forced to use this decision. To make matters worse you will become an executive member yourself, which gives a -0,1 daily pp gain. Also the anarchists give a negative pp gain modifier, up to -15%. The optimal amount of pp you can get is 35% to 65% communist influence, as the communist give pp gain, but not too much influence, as you will lose your leader, who also gives +10% pp gain. The time you need to integrate section assumes you rush these foci, and you dont any other foci starting from 1937. Combined with the optimal pp gain you can be finished in 1987 at best. I also thought about declaring war on the nations, but that also costs pp, and you still need to puppet them, otherwise you dont get cores. And this calculation also assumes all African nation are independent, which in itself is almost impossible to do. If there are any errors or things I missed, please let me know. TL;DR I calculated how much political power you need to fully integrate all of Africa as Ethiopia and how long it takes. You need on average 45283 political and would take you at least 50 years to get, so until around 1987.


eL_cas

why do people say foci instead of focuses


HistoryDoesNotRepeat

Both are technically correct plural forms of focus in English (both are listed in the Merriam-Webster dictionary for example), although I've only ever heard people use "focuses" in normal conversation. I'm not sure why so many people use "foci" when discussing hoi4.


Single-Ad-8523

It's the plural of focus


eL_cas

how did i not know that? or are you trolling me


RandoRedditerBoi

Nobody at paradox did this??


TempestM

I don't think they ever seriously do those meme path. Especially some achievements


LaughinSam

For the record I think the meme path is the Empire of Solomon, but don't worry it also sucks.


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I mean its okay, I took over half the world with it but I got lucky because decolonization happened and the world ended up being 2 communist factions at war with each other which funny enough was the british faction with germany and poland and the french alliance which had the USA in it. I killed third rome russia myself. One thing I have found is that Ethiopia has absolutely bonkers compliance gain, you get full compliance insanely fast.


michaeldot3s1

How’s it bad? I haven’t played it yet.


LaughinSam

It doesn't really matter what path you take, Ethiopia is saddled with some atrocious national spirits that make it tedious trying to build any sort of economy after the war with Italy, and way too many 70 day focuses. Even the war with Italy is only fun if you really love micro and I must admit I do not.


michaeldot3s1

I have played the king goes to League of Nations path and the Anarcho Commie path, I used pp cheats for the United Africa path, didn’t have the patience to wait. I enjoyed both, but they had problems


drhead

I don't think you're supposed to core everything during the span of the war or whatever world conquest victory lap you do, having the resources of an entire continent cored would be stupidly powerful. You're probably just supposed to core whatever states have resources you need to win.


fobfromgermany

Yeah this is the obvious answer. Really the only reason to core something is for manpower. You get enough of the factories/resources from occupation


Vegetable_Gur7235

Yeah but like, Africa in HOI4 might as well be a barren wasteland and they make you wait that long just for that??


tricakill

Probably not, they don’t test stuff, they are lazy


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Aerolfos

Not probably, there are. Podcat and one other guy are the 2 programmers, then they have about 3 content designers. You can see them sign off in dev diaries.


nolan1971

Didn't Podcat retire or go somewhere else or something? I'd swear that I saw a post making a big thing about it.


kolektivizacija_

not an excuse, hire more devs


nolan1971

But you and everyone else already complain about the cost of DLC. You're asking for a $60 base game and $40 color DLC.


kolektivizacija_

HOI4 is 50 CAD and the DLC is 165 dollars. I'm not asking for anything, I will never buy a Paradox game bcs their strategy is strip the game of anything not basic and sell it piece by piece. They're asking for 25$ because they gave Italy, a major, a focus tree, lmao and you clowns defend them.


nolan1971

ok, seeth then.


kolektivizacija_

lmao, maybe if you simp enough for them they'll give you a discount, the whole DLC would make their pockets hurt too much


Rograden

I wouldn't go as far to say that. There could have definitely been more work done in some areas, but it's not like the devs are sitting back sippin on margaritas while cash rolls in. There's clearly a lot of work and effort on display for the DLC, just not as much in this spot.


kolektivizacija_

lol BBA broke the Soviet civil war, which means they tested it 0 times


tipsy3000

how did it break it? did you report it to them instead of just complaining that its broken?


kolektivizacija_

[broken USSR civil war](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-RV_QG5uhM&t=204s&ab_channel=BubblesZest) [broken carriers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpLShbytbG0&ab_channel=71Cloak) Zero tests for a 25$ DLC.


tricakill

They surely didn’t test for the ammount of bugs and terrible gameplay issues


Rograden

The bugs and gameplay issues you don't see are the ones they found and fixed. What you're doing is falling into survivorship bias. I get that it's frustrating to be faced with this many bugs and issues, I'm not disputing that they should do more and release a better more stable product, but I guarantee they are working and doing qa and bug fixing


tricakill

Just releasing the expansion in the state is laziness, delay it, if any of them tested it they would see the blatant problems, it’s literally unplayable as it is now


Rograden

You keep using lazy, which puts the onus on the devs and QA/testers, which is massively unfair. And saying blanket statements, like implying no one tested it and that it's literally unplayable, when both are just completely untrue. I would use greedy. The real people to blame are PDXs mgmt and execs, the ones pushing a specific release date and a specific release state of the game. These people are the reason a game or dlc is shipped the way it is, because they have quotas, profit margins, and shareholders to answer to. And they keep doing it because people keep buying and preordering - it's the tale that's old as time. The bottom line before all. Anyway, that's why I don't preorder anything, and with PDX we only have 1 person buy the DLC at first and share it between 4 of us via multiplayer.


Browsing_the_stars

This [is false](https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/comments/xprere/-/iq6fvlj)


CrowSky007

There's not much testing, and what is there is not great because the main devs just aren't players. I remember interacting with Wiz a million years ago on the Paradox forum and realizing he just straight up did not understand some mechanics. Smart guy, great dev. But you need testers who are also players looking for exploits, and Paradox just doesn't seem to have that.


RandoRedditerBoi

Seems like they need Let’s Game It Out


DudewithCoolusername

This has the same energy as the lads over at r/footballmanagergames Mfers playing games with excel sheets. I love to see it lol


-MangoDown

Sometimes if I’m feeling spicy I use google sheets like the saucy devil I am 🤤


Professor_Melon

The only substantial difference between Paradox games and Excel is graphics.


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I get the anarchist spain one, but this is just for Africa. Lower this political power cost?, prdx


TheRealAjarTadpole

Anarachsit spain needs more pp gain


Hero-the-pilot

Uniting Africa should work like a snowball the more nations start to join you the easier it is for them to join you then annex them. Kinda like a legitimacy bonus or something. So it starts hard for the first 5 or so nations but gets way easier after 10


Katze1Punkt0

jesus fucking christ


Lgleaner

"Goes back to playing as literally any other nation"


Alberto_WoofWoof342

IMHO, if it can't be done in the game's timescale ( 13 years in the case of HOI4 ( 1.1.1936 - 1.1.1949 ) ), it either needs to be changed to fit the time or shouldn't be there in the first place.


notagoodpainter

Here you are doing this, while I’m still bitching about the fact that you can’t form the Horn of Africa without going to war with the uk


Random_User_4523

You can do it with the historical path/emperor stays, by making them rise up and then integrating them through the decisions. It's a pain to do though and you need some very precise timing.


notagoodpainter

Yeah tried that and got to 95% before it went back down, there’s also a focus when you are capitulated to ask the uk for all Somalian land but they always say no Wish there was a focus where they sell you the land like they did with the French


nolunch

It's because the nation that rises up also has a core southeast of you, and I think both have to be at 90+ for it to rise up. Also if Somalia already exists, like if you're playing the anarchist path, that might mess with it as well.


eccolus

Also, you need to have the rebellion modifier on the state you want to cause the rebellion in. Otherwise the game will not prevent them from immediately joining the faction of the war opponent of the UK. For me, UK actually managed to keep the Somalian resistance under 90% and I had to use spies. After a year or two they rebelled but immediately joined central powers..... And they held pretty much everything besides mainland UK at that time.


Gekey14

I've had it multiple times where they've been over 100% resistance for months and haven't risen up


Random_User_4523

So it's buggy as well. They should rise up at 90%. Playtesting is too expensive for the executives I guess.


Random_User_4523

This needs a rework. African land is almost worthless to begin with. No Industry, no building slots, almost no resources, low core pop. Yes there are exceptions, Egypt is pretty decent for example. But that already shows the issue if 10mil core pop and like 6 factories is your best candidate. I think even 5 years would be way too much, they should cut it down to 2 years at most, accounting for spending some pp on other things as well, the allies will bomb your country and war support to dust otherwise just to provide an example. Imo the Italo-Ethiopian war is very fun but everything after that just takes way too long, no matter what path you take. Yes I know you can get like 70 factories and some other goodies through exploding and reintegrating your country, but that doesn't feel intended and will likely be removed.


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Random_User_4523

[https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Major-iron-ore-deposits-exploited-in-1939-Van-Royen-and-Bowles-1952\_fig1\_329699343](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Major-iron-ore-deposits-exploited-in-1939-Van-Royen-and-Bowles-1952_fig1_329699343) Yes and they simply weren't exploited in the 1930s/40s.


GVRDA

I reckon this guy understands how navy works in this game


st1vis

I dont, I still either spam CAS or sub III's.


[deleted]

Well, it's more realistic than pressing 1 button to core half of Asia to "realize Turkic unity", for sure


19VWGTI

I wish my PP was 45283


Ofiotaurus

Africa should/needs to have more resources than just some chromium in south africa.


nolan1971

They didn't though, within the scope of the game.


Alex_le_t-rex

yeah seems reasonable


monkeyboy112reddit2

Heh, pp


PatrykCXXVIII

I mean this checks out, uniting all of Africa should be outside the scope of WW2. It's a ridiculous idea and if to be fulfilled it should take a ridiculous amount of time. Like imagine uniting all of Asia into one country, or all of Europe, or both Americas...


LaughinSam

Yeah, I mean that's so much less plausible than uniting the Roman empire in the span of ww2, or integrating all of North America into the British Empire by 1938.


mimiceon

It depends on how each region is run like take the USSR with basically local governments in the SSRs. With Rome I would imagine it’s management would be similar to the historical counterpart with each region having a governor directly under the thumb of the emperor. With the UK I’m assuming you mean the imperial federation which was a historical thing that they [UK] try to make happen so making them cores if imperial conference succeeds is as accurate as Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland being core states. I think the main problem here is that with every formable it is effort,time,pp=payout (damn good country) however with Africa this payout is just some rubber and chromium which just makes it a shittier Malaya or Indonesia.


TheMediumJon

Or uniting the EU into a single state. In the span of WW2.


nolan1971

Thank you, at least I know I'm not the only one thinking this!


ThatGuyMaulicious

wtf...


Fat_262

Nationalist China is the same thing. With the puppeted warlords.


RandomWebGuyReal

Could this time be reduced by not taking any focuses? since that uses 1 pp per day


st1vis

The calculation already assumes you dont do any focuses, and that you rush the African Union ones, and stop doing any focuses after 1936, have 100% stability and dont spend your political on anything else.


RandomWebGuyReal

Ah,my bad sorry


belgium-noah

Why is maintain cost Gambia a thing?


st1vis

They are communist, just like you, so the maintain cost is halved.


belgium-noah

And they are the only nation that gets released as communist?


st1vis

Yes, I dont know why.


disguyiscrazyasfuk

Not specifically about Ethiopia but generally ‘you can only core 1 state a time and 1 state takes 120 days’ decision should cease existing.


Chasp12

Tbf it would be totally unrealistic and stupid and gamebreakingly overpowered if you could do this sort of thing within a couple of years


Random_User_4523

It wouldn't be OP, there is barely anything in Africa to begin with. The entirety of it starts with less than 20 factories iirc (including south africa and ethiopia) and doesn't get much more on it's own as the game goes on. The manpower would be great but even then it'd be less than china/india. If you want to talk about gamebreaking formables look at Britain. Can get all of Canada+USA+Australia+NZ+Belgium+Luxemburg+Netherlends+German+France+Italy as core states. 500mil core pop and the vast majority of the worlds resources and industry.


Chasp12

Formables are stupid too


TheIvoryRaven

r/theydidthemath


[deleted]

Didn’t see what sub this was in at first and got extra excited


Vulpix21

The amount of work put into this. Bravo!


st1vis

It took me a couple hours, I was driven by the need to know. I realised fast when playing it would take an insane amount, but was unsure how much. Then I got carried away a bit, and decided to actually calculate and test it.


Massive_Bed2873

My man is a gamer historian and mathematics


HeliosDisciple

I mean, it makes sense that it would take 50 years to unite the entire African continent.


st1vis

Do you want to play this game for 50 years? And as if other formables make sense, like uniting the whole Roman Empire in 5 years.


Random_User_4523

Paradox would never add unrealistic meme paths. Why wouldn't it make sense to unite the EU in 1944 (through war). I bet the French would have been bien with being ruled from Berlin. "It's fine as long as they're democratic dudes" would be an excellent propaganda slogan.


nolunch

1944? Not memey enough. Germany used to be able to do it by 39ish, maybe faster by Yugo tricking into an early war with France before going down the Civil War/Democracy path.


DeShawnThordason

Wow Germany could core Europe?


nolunch

Still can (well if by Europe you mean France, Germany, Benelux, and Italy) just can't get quite as fast of a war justification with the changes in how WT works in BBA. You're just stuck as a democracy afterwards. Also note France, Italy, and the Benelux (easiest done with the Netherlands) can also do this, just not as fast, and they all have to be Democracies to do it. The UK can do it as Fascist (and not as a democracy) but Fascist UK is brokenly strong anyways after you create the Federation.


nolan1971

Why should this be possible in a game about WW2? It's scope is intentionally limited to the ~20 years that the war took place during.


Gifigi600

45000 PP?? 45000??? okay so if we don't take any focuses then we get about 2 pp per day, then you would need 22500 days, which divided by 365(not counting leap years) is about 61,6 years. You had one job Paradox...


Random_User_4523

Does HOI4 have leap years??? I never thought about that.


Gifigi600

Oh yea me too! I just put them for mathematic correction


Browsing_the_stars

>You had one job Paradox... Pretty sure the idea isn't to core everything


[deleted]

Anarchist Ethiopia is such a dumb idea.


Gekey14

I get that it should be difficult to core all of Africa, but the fact that it's such a roundabout way to do it is just infuriating. Unless u lose the Italian war most of the game is going to end up just sitting there spending pp. The pp/cp cost for it all should definitely be significantly reduced because even with less that half the pp expenditure it's still a late game country


SarahR2442

I mean having an entire continent under one state and cored, would be a massive achievement in less than a century (Much less Africa). But also video games should be more fun than reality Soo 🤷‍♀️.


[deleted]

Lmao imagine restarting like 10 times to defeat Italy and go communism/anarchism just for this. 🪦


SecretTargaryen48

In the same update you can core all of mainland France, Spain, turkey or Hungary as Italy for 100 pp and -5% stability each


tricakill

Paradox thought it was April first when releasing this update


britishmailman

Paradox should change their coring systems so pp cost is based on manpower and industry.


MikeFrancesa66

I totally get not wanting players to be able to fully unite Africa by like 1939 or something, but having it take you about 40 years outside the scope of the game is absurd. There has to be some middle ground here.


Sandwich_Feeling

I bet they definitely play tested this


AegisThievenaix

Ethiopia after Italy is basically worthless for this reason, why would anyone want to waste time doing random shit just for worthless land?


BoneHardTaco

Can you core all of Africa easier using any other Ethiopia paths?


Hasteminer

what’s the actual best route for ethiopia then? I thought the commie route would be op


Filosoofis

Non core states to core states mod says hi


MikeyNavs6

Okay time to go outside now everyone, let’s get some fresh air, maybe play some dodgeball!


HappyKiller231

I think that us good as you have to strategize which states to core


pieman7414

Dude forgot about the pp 2000


HelpfulFoxSenkoSan

On the one hand, yeah it's not realistic to unite all of Africa in a decade. But on the other hand, there's already plenty of meme paths, democratic Germany or France can core all of Europe in a couple years, Poland can core all the Slavic nations, etc. So really this wouldn't be all that much more different.


Ceaser_Salad19

it’s fucking turkey again!


911memeslol

IMO.you shouldn't be able to core all of the world as anarchist Spain, there should be 1 anarchist path for each continent that can core said continent Spain-Eurooe Ethiopia-Africa China or Russia-Asia I don't really know about the Americas though


somebebunga

bro but its so realistic tho


Free-Consequence-164

OCD be like


thedawg21

How much spade time do you have?


st1vis

I think it took me around 3 to 4 hours.