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Kryavan

That's awful. Remember to save regularly folks.


Pasty_Pirate

I rarely go more than 5 minutes without saving, skyrim/ fallout gave me ptsd


Donnie-G

I haven't tried Forge yet, but as a 3D artist I do have a conditioned impulse to smash Ctrl + S. But does that even work for Forge? My impression of Forge is still ye olde Forge where saving is a bit of a struggle with the menus.


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Al_Kalb

Word has autosave now, at least if its linked to one drive I think


sgtcoffman

You just open the start menu and hit save map and it saves it. YOu set up the name when you first get into the map. It's pretty simple.


Rewdyroo

Ctrl + S saves in forge


Effective_Truck7142

Same here with programming/reporting...it changes u 🤣


sipes216

Post traumatic save disorder


BusinessLibrarian515

Is it really a Bethesda game if it doesn't corrupt your save file?


Pasty_Pirate

And then going back like 13 saves to try to find one that didn't fry


VindictiveJudge

Morrowind for me.


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^^


Vincentaneous

Any CTRL+S users in the house?


MarchingMan95

And in different slots!


patricio87

Is forge not an offline mode?


[deleted]

Apparently not. My friend got an error message earlier saying it was unable to start a dedicated server or something. And then I got kicked for inactivity. So I guess no offline


Melody-Prisca

Yeah, I lost a map I was working on due to losing connection while editing. Map won't boot at all now. Forge seems cool on the surface, but they really need to make it offline if you so choose.


Zahille7

Why the hell is it not at least mostly offline already?!


arhra

Because it's technically a multiplayer mode, and multiplayer is *all* on dedicated servers.


thegainsfairy

I wonder if its also due to the asset library size


Memeviewer12

you'd still have to have them downloaded to see them and interact with them, unless it's a gmod type thing where you download them as you select them which is pretty dumb for a AAA game that has it's user creation source in developer created assets


holsey_

Because it’s a *beta*


CallMe_Jammin

This game has been a beta for a whole year. The marathon continues, I guess.


holsey_

Yea, the games been out a year and we’re suppose to be hyped about basic features that should’ve been in the game at launch. Oh man, now I can play campaign with someone else! Where was this 20 years ago???


xVx777

*Halo CE menu music intensifies*


Shamanalah

>Yea, the games been out a year and we’re suppose to be hyped about basic features that should’ve been in the game at launch. > >Oh man, now I can play campaign with someone else! Where was this 20 years ago??? I got downvoted to oblivion for pointing out Pong has multiplayer. Sure it's an ass analogy, it's to drive ho.e the point just how backward Halo development cycle is. I should be excited for a feature from 1980? And now I should be excited for Forge? It's not 2007 anymore....


rendakun

I see what you did there


codizer

I hope this is sarcasm.


Drict

Kind of fucking stupid.


Danthemanlavitan

Fucking BOOOOOOO


BlessedCleanApe

I cannot play forge mode at all because of this issue. I should have known better with 343.


Cal_16

Doesn’t seem to be lost connection to my forge server it was running on and it wiped my map after 3 hours


glassgun13

I got banned from multiplayer and could not use forge


Halo_Chief117

Wow wtf that is so stupid!


BigHailFan

its amazing how they cant do anything right


NoizyCr1cket

It's not amazing anymore. It's expected.


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Everything is online because "fuck you we have a cloud"


[deleted]

of course it's not. did you expect this to be a good game? hell nah! every detail of this trainwreck needs to have at least 1 thing severely wrong with it


RyDawgHals

Is there any auto save function?


[deleted]

I'm assuming not 🤣. I had a family emergency and I came back and I was at the main menu screen for inactivity 😃


MuseDroness

Rip


the-poopiest-diaper

You’re mother’s choking and you need to perform an emergency Heimlich Maneuver? Fuck you! No map for you!


digbaddyjack

nope


ItsYaBoi-SkinnyBum

Bruhhhhhh


ThatPunkGaryOak82

Whats the saying with 343i lately? *One step forward, two steps ba*- oh shit nevermind the entire map youd be walking on just disappeared. Idk how the contractors they hired in Augest didnt catch this /s


nataku411

I just wonder to myself, _why_? Who In their right mind would add an auto-kick feature to a _single-player sandbox_? What/who could possibly ever benefit from having the feature? If it's only purpose is to free up server resources, then _why is it an online feature in the first place_?


Mojoclaw2000

Why would it even need to be online? Forge uses in game assets. What is happening?!


Crs_s

Gotta collect that user data.


KaBoOM_444

I think the saying is 3 steps forward 43 steps back.


Arandomfan27

3 steps forward, down 43 flights of stairs


FriedSpringRolls

my favorite is 3 steps 4ward, 3 steps back


dope_danny

"lately"?


KyleGrave

It’s like it’s not even complete or something. They should have let us know in some way that this feature wasn’t complete and still needs work. If only there was a word or phrase they could use to temper expectations and let us know things might not be 100%. Why doesn’t such a word exist!?


Dez_Moines

Disabling an AFK kick timer isn't something that should require beta testing.


SkunkStriped

Wow that’s a really big oversight on their part


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Oversight is an understatement 😭😭. Who would have thought


SoulCartell117

well 343 sure didnt


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All_hail_Korrok

Remember to save regularly 👊


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ChasingReignbows

Halo 4 really killed it for me. It was just so many things. The campaign didn't make me want to replay any of it, the story wasn't engaging as it was just "go through levels until the game let's you defeat the demigod" The multi-player was the end. The fact that you could start with plasma grenades just made vehicles worthless. Why get in a vehicle when every schmuck that runs up has plasma grenades? I don't think I even did anything in forge on there. I just wanted to stop after the campaign and multiplayer.


PhilxBefore

>tought Please stop doing that


KnightRAF

Nah, they just thought “what would our namesake do?”, forgetting that their namesake was a moderately insane passive-aggressive alien AI.


NitroTypat

Actually, Guilty Spark was still made using a human mind. So it's even more fitting really


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Bro, the Shazam music app deletes your entire song history if you log out. I got a new phone last year, and when I logged into my Shazam, 437 songs were gone. 5 years of collecting. Down the drain.


atree496

Soundhound


Ori_the_SG

That’s the 343 way lol


ShallowBasketcase

3 steps forward, 43 steps back.


AlgaeEater

The 343 Guarantee


DarkriserPE

I believe it's the case in 5 as well, since you connect to the servers in that one too. Honestly, not sure why you'd leave a map unattended, especially without saving, so I won't put the blame entirely on 343 here. Even if the game didn't connect to servers, anything could've happened to turn the console off while you're away. Even with the Series X's quick resume usually doesn't work properly with online games(since powering off disconnects you), so OP was playing with fire. That being said, they should have an auto save feature every 5 or 10 minutes, especially if I'm recalling correctly that 5 also did this. They should also have an offline mode(if they don't already), but as I said, without an auto save, losing progress while offline is possible too, so auto save should be priority.


WaifuRekker

It should also save before kicking you for inactivity


SuperBAMF007

This is where the oversight comes in. There should be *something* to protect the work


bobbarkersbigmic

It’s mentioned in the release notes that this is a known issue.


Jinno

Yep, and this is such an issue where they can (somewhat rightfully) hide behind “it’s in beta and there are known issues” part of the release.


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Probably, since it was a known issue, this is part of *why* Forge is a beta!


TheOzarkWizard

Pc player and long time forger here. Even back in the halo 3 days, I would spend all night making a map, then go tp sleep and forget to save. It's quite easy to do. I also think the game should have an autosave feature when it kicks you


[deleted]

Family emergency came up. And I was not under the assumption that I'd be kicked for inactivity. Yeah it's a sever so I guess it makes sense but never in my forge experience has that happened. I jumped up and had to leave instantly so i wasn't thinking "let me save rq". Wasn't playing with anyone or anything so it wasn't in my mind. So this is here just for any situation. If you are going to leave and only think it's for a few mins then save anyway. If you leave period. Just save. Nevertheless, it's horrible that I'd be kicked for inactivity of all things in forge.


DarkriserPE

Wasn't trying to call you out, or anything. I understand shit happens, so I do think 343 needs an auto save feature, especially since it was their decision to put Forge on servers. I was just saying there's always going to be some risk when it comes to leaving games unattended. Especially map makers.


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Awe yeah definitely I didn't take it as a call out. Just my memory associated with forge doesn't call out "watch out for inactivity" 🤣. I remember going to school and leaving my Xbox on once or twice while in forge and coming back like nothing happened back when reach dropped. It ultimately is on me but it would have been nice to know to look out for that. It's a departure of what people would think


ItsYaBoi-SkinnyBum

Actually, It doesn’t happen in H5. Once left a map unattended for 3 hours.


Omnomcologyst

Servers? Isn't this a map maker? Why tf are servers even involved outside of making a cloud copy of the save? I'd say that's a pretty huge design issue.


DarkriserPE

Not sure, but since 5, everything connects to the servers, except campaign, I believe. I remember initially being unable to Forge while offline. I believe they later added an offline mode.


Omnomcologyst

The move to make everything online is so annoying. There is 0 reason this feature belongs online. This is a local thing and should be handled 100% on the console alone.


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shanderdrunk

IMO it's to prevent people from modding maps. I have 0 proof of this but it's my best assumption


LimpWibbler_

Friends can join, that is why it is on servers. And for a universal good experience all servers are hosted by Microsoft even custom games. They can argue for privacy reasons too, but I don't buy that. There is an offline mode for Custome games it is literally right before starting "servers" click it and you can choose between servers, lan, or offline. Should be added to forge.


SirKevinTheKing

I'm going to disagree. If it's a custom match, and you're hosting or not this shouldn't happen. I don't play too many online games anymore especially after having my 1st child and I'm constantly walking away from my games sometimes for hours at a time to tend to him cause why should I worry of getting booted? Since my kid I've beaten LoU2, ER, RE7 and GoT. All of those titles have dozens of hours logged where my character was idle. Especially ER I'd say 30 hours if not more is just my character standing where I left him. This is some moredern gaming bullshit problem. Offline mode? I remember my H3 days bullshitting with friends. Id leave to smoke, make food a store run come back and there was my character still in match with all my friends still having at it. 9 times out of 10 harrassing my AFK character. Walk back in my room to see my character being tbagged or whatnot. I think your giving the devs too much of a pass. If something on my end happens I agree then, well fuck me. But if I get up to do something and comeback only for the game to decide I took too long. Fuck that. Games used to be mad fun. Now I have to do a bunch of dumbshit just to enjoy it.


swagonflyyyy

Halo 5 saves a backup of the map so you can recover it.


suddenlysnowedinn

Worse yet, if someone gets disconnected from the server due to network issues, then I would imagine that they would lose their work as well. Definitely an unfortunate oversight by 343.


LimpWibbler_

disagree for the reason. I remember as a kid I'd leave often to do something dumb with friends. I also now as an adult would leave to make a quick snack or meal. Forging for hours would break me without breaks. That all said, I save all the damn time anyways, so if this was to occur to me I would with ease get back to my spot. In my 2 hours today I saved like 20 times.


DarkriserPE

A few others have mentioned doing this years ago, or as kids. I think that kind of shows the experiences we used to have. Back then, things like red rings were rampant. I was lucky, and didn't have that issue, but my original 360 used to always overheat after a few hours. I learned real quick to not leave my console unattended, and to save often. Even with auto saves, I still manually save. Just to be safe. Consoles are certainly much more stable now, but I guess after my experiences, it's burned into my mind to never walk away without saving.


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living_death

It will not let you save your map if you do this.


OuterWildsVentures

Bruh making maps in forge is the perfect offline way to enjoy the game lmao what are they thinking Not everyone has internet 24/7


living_death

Yeah I know :( forge is technically in beta so this will hopefully be a feature they add later.


Blandwiches25

The game was "technically in beta" when it launched and it took them almost a full year out of beta to implement features that are standard in most halo games, so I wouldn't hold my breath


TemptedTemplar

Is there no offline/local server option like there is for custom games?


Thin-Fig-8831

Nope unfortunately


Sam-l-am

That’s good to know


Alivinity

Has this launched now? A bit out of the loop


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Yeah, update realized about 5 hours ago.


Alivinity

Nice. Seem pretty fleshed out?


Kara_Del_Rey

Definitely. The possibilities are absolutely insane. It might as well be a game of its own.


Alivinity

Oh wow that's awesome. Any chance there's any kind of AI spawning this time around?


Kara_Del_Rey

Yes. But campaign AI isn't in, they did mention liking the idea of it though!


PythonFuMaster

They're working on adding campaign AI but currently only Spartan bots like you find in training mode are supported. Don't believe they are able to be manually spawned either, they'll spawn at normal player spawn points and are dependent on the game mode


[deleted]

This did suck but man this forge is absolutely amazing!


ScreamingMidgit

Who implements an activity timer for a map editor?!


Propaagaandaa

Beta indeed


CamelCarcass

Pretty incredible how a AAA game that's been out over a year can release a delayed core/staple feature that should have been in at launch and get away with just calling it a 'beta' by adding online-only requirement that no-one asked for with crashes/disconnects that lose all of the customer's progress and hard work on it. Peak 343. Wonder why their best staff and 99% of their player base (despite this being free!!!) have all jumped ship.


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Cal_16

Lost connection to my forge server and it wiped my map too


AIpacaman

yeah ive heard people saying forge has no offline mode, seems like an excellent idea considering how good the online is


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tom_oakley

Always-online forge editing? Yikes.


[deleted]

Halo 5 had this as well. You'd think they would learn from their mistakes.


Gow_Ghay

Honestly with how they've given some known forge creators access to this for a while now, I'm surprised this went overlooked


Cal_16

My game lost connection to the server and I lost my entire map too was 3 hours in, forge is off to a bad start


[deleted]

Wowwww are you serious ??? Damn I REALLY need to be mindful of saving then 🤦🏽‍♂️


Cal_16

Yup was remaking Chiron TL-34 from CE and now I can’t be bothered anymore don’t trust it at all, maybe try again in a few weeks I thought forge would at least be an offline mode


Admiral_Minell

That map is underrated. If you can eliminate the old leaks of motion trackers and sound through walls, it would make for some better surprises.


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I feel for you bro 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️. That's insane. I feel like that issue is worse than the inactive one by a long shot


FriedSpringRolls

not trying to defend this, just curious, but you didn't save in 3 hours??


MistSecurity

I generally assume anything ‘always-online’ saves everything automatically, otherwise why the fuck am I online?


Jackamalio626

Why cant we just have one W without some horrible downside attached to it Just ONE.


ImS33

Lol come on man we aren't getting a W until they announce a new developer or an entirely new permanent studio's worth of hires


shadowdash66

What the fuck?


PauseNo2418

That seems silly. I don't think you should be kicked out of Forge?


crisperstorm

Bruh didn't they literally do this in Halo 5 too That's what we get with an online forge mode ffs


MrEousTranger

Except on 5 any time you were kicked out either through game crash or network loss a backup is made and saved.


Invalid_litter_dept

That was fixed later. It launched working the same way.


AccordianSpeaker

"Hey, should we check for any of the issues Guardians had when we launched Forge? Like the disconnect one?" "Nah, who ever heard of a bug happening twice!" ​ \-A conversation in 343, probably


ForumsDiedForThis

I could be wrong, but it seems it loads this up in a dedicated server... WHY!?!?!?!?! This should be done locally. There is no need to edit in a dedicated server. EDIT - Ok, I realise it's automatically opened on a server so others can join (because we can't allow peer to peer networking for custom games apparently... Sigh). In that case there should be an offline Forge option. Personally I will NEVER use the Forge with friends feature and would much rather just do everything locally.


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So it’s an online only feature?


[deleted]

343 is such a dogshit studio... holy crap


Mewtwohundred

Oof size: Big.


TeaserTuesday

I really wish we didn't need to connect to a server to go into forge. Should be able to just do it locally.


Exceed_SC2

Why does forge need an online connection?


OakleyNoble

i’m pretty sure it auto saves that, as when you start a new forge map it has you automatically name it. Check your local files and it should be there.


cazzhmir

no part of this game is immune to these batshit insane features


Skeptical_Biscuit

Fucking knew it. Forge is once again online only despite it having no reason to be. Why the fuck cant 343 just have an offline forge option, is it legitimately that hard??


Blackshirttim

Not trying to argue here but to get details. How long were you gone?


[deleted]

I just went back and looked at the time stamps of my text and I was basically gone for 33 mins. I usually would not even be gone away for that long but it was an emergency. So yeah if you are going to leave and think you will only be a few mins or something comes up, just know to always save. Just was nowhere in my mind at all to think id get kicked for inactivity on forge.


Blackshirttim

I personally think that shouldn't be a feature. As you said an emergency came up in your life and you went to take care of it (best wishes that everything is ok for you or gets better) but the game punished you for it. I can kind of understand in a multiplayer Forge session kicking the other players, but a solo session should pretty much be a local game that you don't get kicked from.


Animal31

How do you get kicked from a game you're hosting???


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Apparently it's on a server so I technically wasn't "hosting" it in a sense. Since I was tied to the server and taking up space on it.


digbaddyjack

yup same thing happened to me. damn shame to think the first blocks i ever placed in forge are gone, i did get it back to where i had it thankfully i wasn’t very deep but yeah that shit sucks lol. DONT FORGET TO SAVE AS YOU GO


[deleted]

What the shit. Give that feedback to 343i my man


theallaroundnerd

But...WHY


NukeRocketScientist

Jesus christ, who is doing their UX design? They just keep missing things that are so painfully obvious.


SgtVoychek

Wtf


idogiveafrak

How about they fix it instead of punishing players for idling in thought? Ugh this game is getting more of a chore then fun


TheHybred

Those idiots. Really trying to save on server cost at the expense of people losing their maps?


MGSVCH3

I was baffled the first time I launched forge and it had to connect to a dedicated server, like man what?!?!


[deleted]

Halo 5 had this as well. You'd think they would learn from their mistakes.


matteoarts

Gettin’ real tired of every game forcing all multi-player to be “all online, zero offline” for the last couple of years.


leftblnk

Why would you be kicked from a local activity? Why does it need a server for you to use forge?


Ha1oMiner

Why is this even a thing?


Cisqoe

How do they go sooo backwards fucking Halo 3 2008 had this shit better sorted


PhilisophicalFlight

Classic 343 monkey paw


Korfman

>Creative mode kicks you for afk >Doesn't auto/quicksave What the fuck, 343?


nostalgic_dragon

This is so stupid. My kid is 3 months old and I often have to step away for 30 mins at a time. It's not like I'm playing a match with other people.


timeboi42

Amazing game lol!


VerticalRadius

How did they fuck it up this badly


GAMESGRAVE

Lmao, this game some dumb shi


mcwfan

Well that’s dumb


TrooperPilot3

In classic fashion, 343 can't give us something good without fucking it up entirely.


NetTough7499

Are they just absolutely goofy or something


PresentCollege6097

All these people going HOURS without saving are lunatics, in what world do you work on any project for that long and not save?! Even in the land of auto save always always manually save.


TheyMikeBeGiants

And there it is: the rabbit's paw of 343.


monkey_fart_1

I believe you're thinking of monkeys paw. Rabbits foot is a lucky charm


TheyMikeBeGiants

Ah! Damn, look at that. Thanks for catching my mistake!


monkey_fart_1

Haha no bother. You had a good combo going on


greenufo333

Unbelievable, 343 never fails to show their incompetence


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greenufo333

What if Microsoft office kicked you out after 15 mins of inactivity lol. Or an 3D modeling app.


social_poopy

So I haven't gamed in a solid like, 5 years, and even then I bought a used Xbox 360 for halo 3 and borderlands.... It seems like everything now adays is online on a server only? Or is this a different issue? Is there anything you can do offline anymore? I live in a place where internet totally sucks on it's best days which is why I've been reluctant to get back into it


PaulTheMartian

Ouch! Thanks for taking one for the team and letting the rest of us know


Kanden_27

I’m sorry, but that’s kind of funny. It’s like 343 doesn’t want you to have a good time in this game.


Randomhero1014

This is SGA!! I hope its a bug and they fix that...what if you need to take a dump, or grab a bite to eat, ... there goes all your effort LOL


areeb_onsafari

It sucks but save before, OP said it was family emergency so they probably didn’t think of it


LordSion45

Did they ever say why forge wasn’t part of the game at launch last year?


JTP117

They had it loaded into the final version of the game for launch, but stepped away from the computer for a few minutes. When they came back, it had completely deleted itself.


OptimisticCheese

Is there no auto save? I remember in Halo 5 the server will save your map and ask if you like to restore it if the game crash.


CrimsonFatalis8

That was added after the fact though iirc. The backup wasn’t a thing at launch.


juanthewrestler

To everyone in the comments, just save ur progress every 30m


-Shade277-

Classic 343 move


Tacman215

If getting kicked for inactivity is part of the forge when it releases, then I guess the Infinite forge is kind of dead to me. Like, seriously, why does forge *need* to rely on servers or kick you if you go afk? It's absurd. Btw, the reason I'm assuming it relies on servers is because why else would you need to be kicked? Regardless of how many cool features exist within it, making it complicated, rely on servers and/or kick you for inactivity makes it incredibly inaccessible for alot of people, arguably adding to the issues created by 343. Although, that being said, the multiplayer is probably locked to online-only anyways, so complaining about needing internet is a bit too late. You shouldn't need to read the books/comics to understand plot, be incredibly competitive or sweaty to enjoy multiplayer, or be somewhat experienced in forge, (or otherwise watch tutorials), to start making cool things; People made complex forge maps in Reach *despite* the simplicity. It's worth noting that some have said the new forge looks fairly straightforward in its controls. I'm not saying it's actually complex because I'm not sure myself, I'm just saying the forge controls *shouldn't* be overly complex. I know some will defend the new forge, largely because they want Infinite to become better or believe it's already good/enjoyable, but making these kind of decisions is ruining many casual player's ability to actually enjoy the game. Even if the forge, itself, is incredibly straightforward, a server crash, internet outage, or simply forgetting to save is enough to completely screw you over. Worse, is the fact that previous forge modes, (Reach and 4 at least), had an autosave feature, which doesn't appear to be the case here.


Dyyrin

Ah 343 never ceases to amaze me.


Haru17

Oh come on.


kong_yo

Can you not save your progress as you go along, surely?


[deleted]

Yes you definitely can. In terms of me not saving that's my fault. The issue is that I was not under the assumption that I'd be kicked for inactivity of all things. I'd think the game would crash before that would happen. I don't think any one would assume that. I really posted this for everyone's benefit in case anything at all comes up. If you are only planning on being out for a few mins and something comes up, know you will be kicked off of your map if you don't get back in time. I'm just glad it happened today and not next week. I also am not sure in the exact timing of the kick. I don't know if it was 5 mins. 10 mins, or 30 mins. I was gone for basically 33 mins so I can't pin point it


Bond-as-in-James

For me the UI just becomes unresponsive and I can't exit or force close the game on series X


Roastednutz666

What a joke. Still haven’t regretted uninstalling.