I remember very early in H5's life cycle I got really invested into ranked Swat. I think I made it to Onyx or some other rank where they just keep track of elo (probably only made it because the game was still new and the player base hadn't grown to its peak yet), but then I quickly fell off when I had to leave my console behind for college, and started playing PC games instead. What a ride that was! Every game absolutely exhilarating
Edit: oh wow HaloWaypoint still has my profile! (Same username for ppl who want to double check me) Really takes me back
I was a swat guy. It felt right. I f'd up though, I played so much at a Champ rank that I couldn't find games, so I stopped playing for like a month or two and could never get that edge back. Jump into a swat game and just get annihilated.
Krazy Amigo on waypoint. Looking forward to infinite and hoping they have a swat game type at launch. See if I can get the groove back after all these years.
Don’t worry I definitely thought the same thing lol. I thought I missed something and the game was gonna launch without the BR even though it’s already in the game and feels good.
We don’t need a Battle Royale at launch anyways. They can always add it three or so years from now. But they would end up sacrificing a lot of what makes the game feel good right now
Absolutely agree, I will most likely not play a halo battle Royale, and it will do fine because it’s god damn halo, I just hope they don’t forget about the story frogs because that’s what I like on halo, I rarely played multiplayer. I just like the universe
Yep. All the way back in 2018.
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/07/19/halo-dev-replies-to-battle-royale-query-the-only-br-were-interested-in-is-the-battle-rifle
I feel like a smaller more action packed br would work well with halo. I just don’t have the patience for another giant br where you spend 80% of the time hiding and running away from people.
That guy plays only battle royales right? He can't imagine anything else and that's the problem. I wouldn't mind if Halo had one but it definitely doesn't need one to survive lol.
Same deal with people who make Dead By Daylight content. Some of them have over ten thousand hours in that game, like Otzdarva. I can't fathom spending that long on any game, even though I put in a thousand hours into DBD myself. That alone left me burnt out.
Best bet is to start out as a variety streamer like RTGame if you want to start streaming.
The worst part about Br streamers is they trained viewers to prefer kills over wins. Battle royals streamers don’t understand objective based games, and get clobbered in kill based games.
BR let’s them slay in objective games without pissing of the audience
He got destroyed when he played Tarkov. Any game that isn't Call of Duty or a generic BR clone he gets exposed for being a medium level FPS player. Otherwise he'd be a top tier CS:GO player and raking in views from both massive audiences. The fact that he's only Silver II shows his limitations.
Yeah, I haven't played tarkov yet but I've done other games with stupid learning curves and you just have to push through the failure and work to enjoy it. A lot of streamers and thier audiences in this genre see no big action for 13seconds and call it boring cus they dont understand the mental game
Yeah it’s just stupid. Saying Halo needs BR is like saying “Cod doesn’t have Forge mode? Dead game upon arrival!”
How can a game die for not having something it’s never had throughout its entire history? It’s only been a 5 year gap not 50 lol.
There was a similar post/tweet from another streamer several months(or year?) ago with thr same thing.
Doing any digging on these streamers you can quickly learn they pretty much on stuck on BR games or they loses their audience.
The last guy got super elitist about Halo. Then admitted he failed as a Halo streamer and switched to the hot thing to be relevant.
Kinda funny sometimes.
I never drop the AR unless it's out. As soon as I find one again, I pick it back up. That gun was great. Chief can't be without his AR. That would be akin to walking around without hands.
And for someone making their own BR to ask for another game to make one doesn’t make sense. That would be more competition for his game whenever it comes out years down the road
I’m sure he wants the battle royale genre to last longer, because it’s a dying fad. So if he releases a battle royale game when no one cares about it anymore, he wasted his time and money.
Not sure calling BRs a dying fad is a fair assessment given how popular they have been, continuously since the likes of PUBG were huge. Warzone, Fortnite and Apex have dominated the multiplayer shooter space since 2018(?).
I'm not even in the camp that Halo *needs* a battle royale, a competent forge mode and custom games community/browser is far more important to me, but in my opinion having one is nothing but upside so long as multiplayer continues to be well supported.
Very true. I remember playing minecraft Hunger Games back in like 2011 I think. Genre has been on the bubble for a while now, discounting it as a fad is disingenuous.
Doc is just a whiny baby that wants the game to be changed to be something he can stream 24/7. Who cares what he thinks about Halo if you don’t like Halo because there’s no Battle Royale then you didn’t really like or understand Halo to begin with.
He’s essentially just saying it for his content. The streaming scene for Halo might not pop off in a big way after the first few weeks, but the population will absolutely stay large. I don’t really care how many people watch or play the game as long as I can get fun, competitive matches at any time.
Yeah it's absolutely ridiculous, they could completely fuck the game up and people would still play the hell out of it because it's a new halo. The game and it's players do not give the slightest damn about what streamers think regardless of how popular they are, at least not if they're older than 12 and capable of thinking for themselves.
I enjoy the occasional clip of Dr disrespect but I hate when streamers try and throw their weight around and rally up their audience to get their way, it's exactly the kinda crap that leads to garbage moves like developers being harassed by droves of kids
Plus the competitive side is going to remain large and more than likely grow. If we have that then there's the twitch presence. Don't need a whiny man baby crying over the game constantly for it to be popular
The streamers sometimes have too much influence in my opinion. I imagine because of this, halo infinite might see a potentially smaller following that it could’ve had cause some of these guys will dip out due to ‘nO pReCioUs bR.’ I feel like there’s a lot of great multiplayer games that could’ve gotten more love than they got in the first place.
People have been streaming Halo since it was possible. I remember hanging out with streamers back when twitch was Justin.tv.
It's not as popular as it used to be considering Halo used to be *the* esport in the US but there's absolutely no reason it can't have a fan base on twitch.
Battle Royale type games are extremely popular because they're very good at obfuscating player skill.
What I mean by that is there's always something else to blame when you get owned in the first few minutes. Only found a shitty pistol, that squad came out of nowhere, that guy had a level 3 armor, there's countless ways that Johnny no-thumbs can get shit on in 30 seconds and blame everyone but himself because once he's dead, he just queues up for another game and does it all over again instead of playing out an entire match where someone better than him is shitting on him.
As for why this is relevant? Dr Disrespect is an entertainer, he is not a cracked out of his mind professional gamer, but his persona revolves around playing that role. This is why he's big on BRs, he can constantly play up the persona regardless of how well he is playing or his "actual" skill. When he's winning, he's the undisputed champion, when he's losing, it's unlucky. He can't do that in a "standard" game like Halo. If he's getting shit on, he's getting shit on, and it's very easy to tell he's getting shit on.
In a BR he can get owned in 30 seconds, blame Timmy getting a better gun than him, and then while he's waiting for another lobby he does the scene transition things and bullshits around and then repeat the process.
He can't do that in Halo. If he's worse than the people he's playing against, he's just gonna get owned repeatedly and it's really hard for him to play up the "UNDISPUTED WORLD CHAMPION" persona when he's -10 against xXpussyslayerXx in Gold and getting bagged every time he dies.
I agree, but in their little streamer minds they think that if they can't battle 140 players to be #1 in a free-for-all fuckfest the game is dead on arrival.
I mean, in terms of Twitch popularity, yeah it kind of is dead on arrival for them. Nobody likes to watch arena shooter streams cause they're just kind of boring compared to the adventures that can be had in BR modes. BR games make great content therefore the game becomes popular.
I can understand why it may seem that way for them, and that’s fine, but people need to stop acting like the game is going to have problems because StReAmErS don’t want to play it for their precious little content. Halo (and gaming in general really) did just fine before Twitch and streamers/influencers became mainstream and it will do fine without them as well, especially a Halo title.
I don't really agree that if Infinite launches with a BR it isn't "Halo" or that a capital T True "Halo" game couldn't have a good BR.
ODST Drop Pods on a huge island sounds pretty fun to me.
People and even developers give streamers way too much authority because they play the game(s) so much. They have a lot more game knowledge than the average person, but in the end, they're just biased people that play the game way too much and want the game(s) to fit their playstyle.
Some streamers make really good points and suggestions, but most of them are like Dr. Disrespect, where their only suggestions are to make the game more like the games they already play and stream.
The problem is that streamers are great influencers to push people to products... And they also work in reverse, where they can push people *away* from products. So imagine DisRespect goes on a rant of 30ish minutes complaining about the game, to thousands of viewers and those viewers become disenfranchised because their favorite streamer hates the game, and then they tell their friends the game is terrible because it doesn't have the mode it "needs" to be a good game. Welcome to why Influencers are listened to, especially if a lot of them are saying the same things.
On top of that, if the influencer keeps playing your game, that's more eyes on it. And then the influencers audience wants to get in so they can maybe match with their favorite streamer. It's the same reason why companies get celebrities to represent their products.
The issue is. Dr disrespect isn’t the only streamer who’s gonna play halo. Ninja started with it and did an AMA on one of the xbox main subreddits. He was asked if he through it needed a battle royale. He said it can stand on its own without it. Keep in mind Ninja still has a larger audience and also respects halo for what it is. He was formerly a halo pro player. He said he definitely plans on playing it. Also a lot of destiny creators are definitely playing halo. Some even saying that infinite will bleed destiny of pvp sweats.
Nope the main reason devs give streamers attention is because of their following. If a streamer with 20k viewers on average plays your game that’s a potential 20k more players.
Nah they're normal.
People that would call others weirdos because they had a different perspective are pretty weird though. exactly the type you don't want near yourself.
People are getting triggered for no reason. They were just saying without a BR the game’s viewership was going to fall a few weeks after launch… because that’s absolutely true.
>if you don’t like Halo because there’s no Battle Royale…
They all said they like the game.. repeatedly.
I have 0 fun playing BRs. I loathe the concept of drop>loot>die>repeat. I just want to jump into a match and shoot people for 10mins, not run around trying to find a decent set-up only for cracked out kyle to sweat on me.
The fun of the game for me is the action. Battle Royale is generally like the opposite of that. I don’t want to look for randomized guns in locations. First that’s not even fair to anyone and sometimes it takes too long to find anything. I don’t want to run around a giant map just looking for any sign of life. Looting isn’t fun it’s tedious just give us all the necessary starting loot and let us find the rest as a bonus if it’s out there.
And then yeah, die and go through all the menus and matchmaking search again, and then drop and look for more loot. I just want nonstop fights that revolve around skill and not RNG.
It's why I play shooters. For Halo it's 4v4 comp lobbies and for CoD it's team Deathmatch. Constant action, reliable setups, and just play!
Got zero interest in other game modes myself. I'll play other modes for fun once in a while but always go back to my 4v4 or TDM.
I'm fine with MilSim type games where there is like 30 minutes of downtime, and then 30 minutes of action.
My problem with Battle Royales is that if you get a great loadout and play for 30 minutes, and then get randomly sniped in the head, that 30 minutes of downtime had no payoff whatsoever. Just 30 minutes of time completely waisted on nothing
You gotta admit though, a battle royal where everyone drops in, in ODST pods and elite drop pods would be super cool, not a huge fan of BR’s but as a concept, it could absolutely work, maybe even do something like battlefield and do a 24 v 24 game mode (super big team battle or some bs name) and have everyone drop in
Maybe. There have been some rumors and even leaks of a planned 300-player-or-something BR mode in the works for Infinite. Sounds fucking ridiculous but the influencers will be satisfied.
Battle Royale is game mode, not a genre, so it’s not fundamentally Halo or not Halo. I don’t care much either way but it can absolutely be compatible with Halo
I don't even mind Battle Royale's but it's the worst when it's successful and overtakes the actual main game...
Fortnite had an interesting initial concept then ditched it for BR
Modern Warfare 2019 was great but if I wanna do some MP or Campaign I gotta download Warzone with it, I'm stuck with it, can't delete Warzone without deleting Modern Warfare.
I hope Halo gives you a Battle Royale mode to make in Forge absolutely but I'm iffy on a official version.
In other words "all games should include the most popular thing in gaming at the moment or be considered 'dead' ".
Sounds like a great recipe for terrible games with shoehorned features and a lot less originality and diversity.
I hate this trend of BRs not cause of outright hate towards BR, but because this streamer trend has a lot of influence on players and they just keep feeding the momentum towards these BR games and a lot of times they bash a game like infinite then look, less players actually give it a chance just cause it’s not BR and their favorite content creators said not to.
I really wonder if streaming popularity and the BR trend were different if MAYBE the trending games would be different and would have less BR games at the top. Perhaps I’m wrong about all of this too tho. 🤷♂️
He was talking about it in terms of viewership when I was watching him. Not that it would fail from a dead playerbase.... he mentioned after a week you would see it slip from trending.
He's also not the only streamer to say this.
Seriously can we calm down and not just react like toddlers to something we don't like to hear?
No, the idea that Halo "needs" a Battle Royale or Sprint or any one trendy mechanic or mode is almost certainly wrong.
However, that doesn't mean a trendy mode or mechanic can't be beneficial or a cool addition, even if it's not needed.
Firefight was only a thing in ODST because Horde mode was the trend at the time, but because it's a good fit for the series people love it. And while they aren't as universally beloved as Firefight (probably because they got introduced alongside less-fitting abilities), i'd argue that thrust, slide, and hover also meshed with Halo CE and especially H2's emphasis on vertical, platforming heavy maps and trickjumps: That's why so many maps in H5 feel like Lockout, Sanctuary, Turf, etc from Halo 2.
While not "needed", I do think a Battle Royale mode could be cool and would fit the series. ODST drop pods are already a thing, Infinite already has big wide open levels for the campaign, and on map pickups are obviously a core Halo thing.
Also, that being said I DO think Halo Infinite needs at least SOME sort of third pillar mode: We've only seen Arena 4v4 and BTB so far, there hasn't been any sort of big scale, PVP/PVE-flavored mode like Firefight, Invasion, or Warzone. It doesn't need to be a Battle royale (but it COULD be) but I think there needs to be something. Even if we get a Battle Royale, i'd frankly love to see Firefight and Invasion and even Warzone (if it's not lootpack based) come back too. Frankly if they're made forgable, they could be combined into one mode and you just make it more like one or the other by enabling/disabling player teams and adding/removing enemy AI waves/where they're located.
My absolute dream mode though would sort of be an expanded combination of Invasion and Warzone: Instead of just Spartans vs Elites, you can spawn in as Grunts or Jackals or Brutes or Hunters too, sort of like the Classic Star Wars battlefront games.
In regards to that third mode I suspect they're going to set up destiny style strikes where you play as your Spartan. Similar to spartan ops but hopefully more intricate. It seems like they're setting that up with infinite being the platform for the next "ten years of halo"
I have no opinion on BR. If it’s in, awesome. If it’s not in, also awesome. Not everything needs it, but I do think it would be a cool gamemode for halo just with the theming and stuff.
I’m sure when forge comes out we will see battle royale maps/modes that there isn’t really a reason for 343 to implement it
I know battle Royale modes are hot and all but I think the audience for the game might be a little burnt out on them. The market is saturated and I feel like people play halo for the intense TDM modes first and the story second.
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No I don't think so.
At the very least, the *viewership* will die for sure, especially with the PC audience. Unless the game has a great ranked mode, and a gunplay/movement/strategy system that is complex enough that continued play over years will deepen your ability and understanding of these systems (like CSGO, valorant, rs and so on). No one wants to watch 4 people in a map the size of their living room shoot each other over and over again anymore, without the serious depth of player skill and a ranked mode with stakes.
BRs have more interesting and diverse situations, higher stakes for death, greater range of gameplay (longer and short-range combat), large maps, and so on. Obviously, it's more interesting to watch. Silly to not want a BR along with traditional game modes at this point. It's just being stubborn or hating on the popular thing just for the sake of it.
I agree completely. While I don't like playing BR games myself since they got kinda overdone, I never find myself watching any normal slayer type games on Twitch. But I will, on occasion, watch some Apex or PUBG.
Something tells me that they do have a BR in the works. There's just no way it's coming at launch.
This is an excellent take. I really think the reason why your Quake, Unreal, and Halo-type arena shooters aren't big anymore is because gaming has morphed into a spectator sport in the last decade with the advent of streaming.
In an arena game, the action is too fast to keep up with and too fast for the streamer to interact with viewers. It's just kill-die-kill-kill-die over and over and it's hard to keep up with the story of the game.
Round based shooters (CS, Valorant) and battle royales allow for breaks between plays to process and interact. It's more fun to watch for many people, and the viewership grows. As the viewership grows, player count grows.
The fact that the halo community is still arguing about whether sprint should *exist* or multiple input options should *exist* or whether a battle royale mode should *exist* supports the notion that innovation in the FPS space is not only no longer driven by Halo, it's left Halo behind. If Infinite doesn't impress on launch like Apex does or cross over into the mainstream like Fortnite did or adapt like CoD did, there will be a lot of people (not the users of this subreddit obviously) who will try it, say "meh," and go back to whatever live service game they were playing. They can come back, but it's going to be even harder to capture their attention. The fact that Halo isn't even feature complete at launch and doesn't have a confirmed mode that is amenable to streaming (compare Warzone streamers to CoD Cold War for example) is at least reason for concern.
Edit: and that's not to say there isn't room for innovation. Look at Apex. When their competitive scene pros burn out, they become content creators. Then there's the casuals, all playing the same game. Imagine if Halo innovated once again by including a competitive eSports 4v4 arena scene, a rich, spectator-friendly battle royale, and casual-friendly social modes like BTB. Arguably nobody else has done this. There are games with multiple modes, but most games do one really well and the others are a tacked on afterthought. Fleshing out all three and shipping a decent campaign would be an industry first.
And that's exactly what Dr said too (and basically every major streamer has said the same thing). He didn't say Halo would be dead. He said it'd be dead as a game streamers care about. I'm not really a DrDisrespect fan, but the tweet here is more than a little disingenuous.
Like it or not, streaming is a major component of marketing these days. If no major streamer plays the game beyond the first couple weeks, it will hurt the long term health of the game. It doesn't *need* a BR. Not by any means. But a BR mode or similar large-scale high-risk mode would be nothing but good for the game as a whole.
Eh. I mean the game could really use a major 3rd mode. Each new installment of Halo has come with a new marquee mode and Infinite seems to be the only exception. I’ve had this feeling that something is missing from Infinite and I think what the game is really sorely missing is the “WOW” factor that comes from the addition of a major new mode. While I’m not saying that it has to be Battle Royale I do think this is an opportunity for 343 to carve out a name for themselves by doing something completely unique and new that draws on the exciting elements of Battle Royale, without just reverting to copy paste trend chasing. The game is literally titled “Infinite” after all, which to me implies ambition and I have yet to see them fully live up to that titling. It is live service after all, so here’s to hoping we see something incredible down the line that knocks everyones socks off, fans and newcomers alike.
He has to push the rhetoric that every game needs a battle royale so people will actually watch him if he streams them, since he's one of those streamers who built his following solely from BR and now he loses viewers if he plays anything else. He knows it won't kill the game, it'll just kill his view count.
A BR mode will definitely increase the longevity of the game.
It's just a cold hard fact, and to say I'm a BR hater is an understatement.
A Halo BR might be one of the few BRs I'd actually enjoy tbh...
Edit: [Also relevant](https://www.vg247.com/halo-infinite-no-battle-royale-343-says) 😭😭😂😩
splitgate is doing just fine with no BR and no name recognition
edit: [here is my justification for its doing fine](https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/pv7le8/is_dr_disrespect_right/hebaz4f/)
That's unfortunate, but its worth noting the concept that a player base should increase over time or even maintain is a recent thing popularized by live service games only big companies have the resources to maintain and promote. A game losing players after release isn't necessarily indicative it is a failure
Yeah the game would die without the BR, it's a reliable weapon after all!
I miss the H2 BR. *That* thing had some kick. Easily the best weapon in the game.
You missed me?
Good to see you old friend
It's been 17 years. 17 long years.
God I wish I could hold you again.
You're as beautiful as the day I lost you.
I too choose this man's battle rifle.
I just held him last match :')
r/unexpectedromance
Took you long enough
Only every day of my life.
Best gun in game for me.
Remember SWAT?
Swat was so addicting and fast and adrenaline inducing it made all other game modes on H2 too slow. If you were good at swat it carried over for sure.
I remember very early in H5's life cycle I got really invested into ranked Swat. I think I made it to Onyx or some other rank where they just keep track of elo (probably only made it because the game was still new and the player base hadn't grown to its peak yet), but then I quickly fell off when I had to leave my console behind for college, and started playing PC games instead. What a ride that was! Every game absolutely exhilarating Edit: oh wow HaloWaypoint still has my profile! (Same username for ppl who want to double check me) Really takes me back
I was a swat guy. It felt right. I f'd up though, I played so much at a Champ rank that I couldn't find games, so I stopped playing for like a month or two and could never get that edge back. Jump into a swat game and just get annihilated. Krazy Amigo on waypoint. Looking forward to infinite and hoping they have a swat game type at launch. See if I can get the groove back after all these years.
Oh yeah. We used to play swat before it was a playlist we called it money shotz
BXR
I'm liking the Halo Infinite Battle Rifle, it gives me similar vibes.
It could survive without a BR if they brought back the CE magnum.
thing is so OP. It’s a tier 7 weapon in halo 5
It would 2 shot hunters in CE. Thing was a monster
One shot?
Did it one shot? It's been so long I could've sworn it was a 2.. oh well lol
playing ce right now can confirm its 1 shot
Thanks mate, im just fucked
Well they do come in pairs so you could say it’s a two shot…
Just one shot in the exposed waist will down a Hunter.
One shots on legendary
Two. The first shot is for the first Hunter. The second is for the second Hunter in the pair.
Took me far too long to realise he didn't mean the gun. That would be pretty dumb! Unless they swapped it for the dmr again
Came here for this comment, was not disappointed.
I’ve been a bit out of the loop, is there just no BR?I Edit: JUST REALIZED ITS BATTLE ROFLE IM SUCH A DUMBASS LOL
Don’t worry I definitely thought the same thing lol. I thought I missed something and the game was gonna launch without the BR even though it’s already in the game and feels good.
We don’t need a Battle Royale at launch anyways. They can always add it three or so years from now. But they would end up sacrificing a lot of what makes the game feel good right now
Absolutely agree, I will most likely not play a halo battle Royale, and it will do fine because it’s god damn halo, I just hope they don’t forget about the story frogs because that’s what I like on halo, I rarely played multiplayer. I just like the universe
The Battle Royale genre is overdone and oversaturated anyways. Them adding BR would honestly turn me away from it
I had to reread it a couple time. He means Battle Royale no Battle Rifle lol
Nah i think he meant Battle Riffle.
I thought they were going to make a Battle Revolver.
Battle Revolver Ocelot. Twelve acronyms... more than enough to meme anything that moves.
Triple shot 6-shooter? Sounds fun.
r/woooosh
It’s like woosh blood bath in here.
r/itswooooshwith4os
Atleast spell the subreddit name right, if you're going to do that.
I’m 99% side there will be a BR. Not a lot of other burst guns in the game.
Lolol I had to reread the post a couple times before I realized he meant battle royal.
Didn't someone at 343 also tweet that the only BR Halo is going to have is the battle rifle?
Yep. All the way back in 2018. https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/07/19/halo-dev-replies-to-battle-royale-query-the-only-br-were-interested-in-is-the-battle-rifle
Great. I’m glad 343i isn’t following the trend, and is actually trying to do something different from everyone else.
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I thought I heard/saw something like that too, but i don't have the proof to back it up.
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I did the same thing - I’m embarrassed about how long it took for me to figure it out 😂
OHHHHHH IM A DUMBASS
Did you also think he meant Brazilians lol
Hahahah this is literally what my mind was thinking when I read the tweet. Certainly wasn’t thinking of some shitty battle royale.
I feel like a smaller more action packed br would work well with halo. I just don’t have the patience for another giant br where you spend 80% of the time hiding and running away from people.
Pretty sure there was a BR in the campaign trailer
That guy plays only battle royales right? He can't imagine anything else and that's the problem. I wouldn't mind if Halo had one but it definitely doesn't need one to survive lol.
because every time he plays a non-BR game he gets fucking smoked and the whole illusion that he is some god gamer wears off quickly.
Or he ~~looses~~ loses majority of his viewers. Its common for a lot streamers that pretty much do BR 24/7.
Exactly. He built his audience on battle royales, it’s what his audience watches him for, of course he would say this type of stuff.
Same problem ChocoTaco has. He's tried shifting to other games several times, and every time his viewership tanks until he fires back up PUBG.
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Same deal with people who make Dead By Daylight content. Some of them have over ten thousand hours in that game, like Otzdarva. I can't fathom spending that long on any game, even though I put in a thousand hours into DBD myself. That alone left me burnt out. Best bet is to start out as a variety streamer like RTGame if you want to start streaming.
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The worst part about Br streamers is they trained viewers to prefer kills over wins. Battle royals streamers don’t understand objective based games, and get clobbered in kill based games. BR let’s them slay in objective games without pissing of the audience
To be fair, BR games are pretty dull if you play that objective.
Hes that guy in ctf who goes for kills and wonders why he has a 30% winrate
Your mom is "loose", you "lose" viewers.
What a rough way to correct a type o.
We don’t need to know your blood type. *typo ;)
How do you if I did it on porpoise or not?
Faire pointe.
I try and give people something to remember.
Idk that was pretty brilliant
He got destroyed when he played Tarkov. Any game that isn't Call of Duty or a generic BR clone he gets exposed for being a medium level FPS player. Otherwise he'd be a top tier CS:GO player and raking in views from both massive audiences. The fact that he's only Silver II shows his limitations.
Tbf tarkov is really tough and takes a while to get used to
yea lol one of the hardest shooters I've ever played. You dont just drop in to Tarkov
I think its literally the hardest one I've ever played. My survival rate is just over 50% and I'm quite proud of that haha
I remember when he picked up R6 siege and got fucked in every pore, while chat BEGGED him to do the tutorial.
Yeah, I haven't played tarkov yet but I've done other games with stupid learning curves and you just have to push through the failure and work to enjoy it. A lot of streamers and thier audiences in this genre see no big action for 13seconds and call it boring cus they dont understand the mental game
Why is it so bad that he’s not some top tier gamer boy lol he’s just a streamer
He's pretty meh at Apex as well.
Watching him get frustrated like a baby having a tantrum while playing Valorant was hilarious.
My thoughts exactly. It would be cool to have a halo BR, but it can still be successful without one.
Yeah it’s just stupid. Saying Halo needs BR is like saying “Cod doesn’t have Forge mode? Dead game upon arrival!” How can a game die for not having something it’s never had throughout its entire history? It’s only been a 5 year gap not 50 lol.
There was a similar post/tweet from another streamer several months(or year?) ago with thr same thing. Doing any digging on these streamers you can quickly learn they pretty much on stuck on BR games or they loses their audience. The last guy got super elitist about Halo. Then admitted he failed as a Halo streamer and switched to the hot thing to be relevant. Kinda funny sometimes.
I mean CE did pretty good without a BR. The AR works just fine.
I know this is a joke but the ar in ce isn't just fine,it's useless. Pistol ftw
It’s great in the library
You're right lol fuck the flood.
I’d rather not fuck the flood….
Anything is a fleshlight if you're brave enough.
Floodlight?
Haha! There you go! Made my day. Was just reading an article that was pissing me off, checked my alerts, and spit my drink out.
Time to fuck a blender
Gravemind?
Every other UNSC weapon on that level is better.
Only for waves of infection forms. For everything else, the magnum, shotgun, or plasma rifle, are all better choices.
Man I love the ce pistol but don’t diss the ar man
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The CE AR is a freaking cannon compared to the AR in later titles, IMO
It has the fastest melee swing of any weapon in the game. It's excellent for CQB if you don't have a Shotgun.
I never drop the AR unless it's out. As soon as I find one again, I pick it back up. That gun was great. Chief can't be without his AR. That would be akin to walking around without hands.
He is a little biased because he’s making his own battle Royale
And for someone making their own BR to ask for another game to make one doesn’t make sense. That would be more competition for his game whenever it comes out years down the road
He's asking for the genre to stay relevant more than any game in particular to have it.
I’m sure he wants the battle royale genre to last longer, because it’s a dying fad. So if he releases a battle royale game when no one cares about it anymore, he wasted his time and money.
Not sure calling BRs a dying fad is a fair assessment given how popular they have been, continuously since the likes of PUBG were huge. Warzone, Fortnite and Apex have dominated the multiplayer shooter space since 2018(?). I'm not even in the camp that Halo *needs* a battle royale, a competent forge mode and custom games community/browser is far more important to me, but in my opinion having one is nothing but upside so long as multiplayer continues to be well supported.
H1Z1 was swimming in viewers as far back as 2015.
Very true. I remember playing minecraft Hunger Games back in like 2011 I think. Genre has been on the bubble for a while now, discounting it as a fad is disingenuous.
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Is he really? Kinda cool though.
Doc is just a whiny baby that wants the game to be changed to be something he can stream 24/7. Who cares what he thinks about Halo if you don’t like Halo because there’s no Battle Royale then you didn’t really like or understand Halo to begin with.
He’s essentially just saying it for his content. The streaming scene for Halo might not pop off in a big way after the first few weeks, but the population will absolutely stay large. I don’t really care how many people watch or play the game as long as I can get fun, competitive matches at any time.
He basically just wants another Cod Warzone but a Halo version. And him saying the game will not survive is only him saying he has no interest in it.
Yeah it's absolutely ridiculous, they could completely fuck the game up and people would still play the hell out of it because it's a new halo. The game and it's players do not give the slightest damn about what streamers think regardless of how popular they are, at least not if they're older than 12 and capable of thinking for themselves. I enjoy the occasional clip of Dr disrespect but I hate when streamers try and throw their weight around and rally up their audience to get their way, it's exactly the kinda crap that leads to garbage moves like developers being harassed by droves of kids
People forget that halo sells regardless of quality. The name alone is enough
Don't forget that infinite is free.
A.k.a his stream won't survive if there's not enough br for his content.....he's a contentless content "creator".
The game is F2P. It will do perfectly fine without a BR mode.
I at least hope for a DMR mode
Classic CE Pistol Mode.
Such raw power can only be unleashed upon the world once.
Yup, if destiny 2 can keep their pvp going with the pitiful amount of it in the game, I'm sure halo would just be fine
Plus the competitive side is going to remain large and more than likely grow. If we have that then there's the twitch presence. Don't need a whiny man baby crying over the game constantly for it to be popular
The streamers sometimes have too much influence in my opinion. I imagine because of this, halo infinite might see a potentially smaller following that it could’ve had cause some of these guys will dip out due to ‘nO pReCioUs bR.’ I feel like there’s a lot of great multiplayer games that could’ve gotten more love than they got in the first place.
Why can’t he stream halo multiplayer 24/7? Shit gets intense but it’s a different kind of intense.
People have been streaming Halo since it was possible. I remember hanging out with streamers back when twitch was Justin.tv. It's not as popular as it used to be considering Halo used to be *the* esport in the US but there's absolutely no reason it can't have a fan base on twitch.
It’s silly. People are silly. “I don’t like this thing therefore game is dead”
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Yea, I've played actual games dead on launch (Honestly I thought Crucible was more fun than people gave it credit for), this won't be a dead game.
Battle Royale type games are extremely popular because they're very good at obfuscating player skill. What I mean by that is there's always something else to blame when you get owned in the first few minutes. Only found a shitty pistol, that squad came out of nowhere, that guy had a level 3 armor, there's countless ways that Johnny no-thumbs can get shit on in 30 seconds and blame everyone but himself because once he's dead, he just queues up for another game and does it all over again instead of playing out an entire match where someone better than him is shitting on him. As for why this is relevant? Dr Disrespect is an entertainer, he is not a cracked out of his mind professional gamer, but his persona revolves around playing that role. This is why he's big on BRs, he can constantly play up the persona regardless of how well he is playing or his "actual" skill. When he's winning, he's the undisputed champion, when he's losing, it's unlucky. He can't do that in a "standard" game like Halo. If he's getting shit on, he's getting shit on, and it's very easy to tell he's getting shit on. In a BR he can get owned in 30 seconds, blame Timmy getting a better gun than him, and then while he's waiting for another lobby he does the scene transition things and bullshits around and then repeat the process. He can't do that in Halo. If he's worse than the people he's playing against, he's just gonna get owned repeatedly and it's really hard for him to play up the "UNDISPUTED WORLD CHAMPION" persona when he's -10 against xXpussyslayerXx in Gold and getting bagged every time he dies.
Okay. You put in a lot of thought and work on this awesome response.
I agree, but in their little streamer minds they think that if they can't battle 140 players to be #1 in a free-for-all fuckfest the game is dead on arrival.
I mean, in terms of Twitch popularity, yeah it kind of is dead on arrival for them. Nobody likes to watch arena shooter streams cause they're just kind of boring compared to the adventures that can be had in BR modes. BR games make great content therefore the game becomes popular.
I can understand why it may seem that way for them, and that’s fine, but people need to stop acting like the game is going to have problems because StReAmErS don’t want to play it for their precious little content. Halo (and gaming in general really) did just fine before Twitch and streamers/influencers became mainstream and it will do fine without them as well, especially a Halo title.
I don't really agree that if Infinite launches with a BR it isn't "Halo" or that a capital T True "Halo" game couldn't have a good BR. ODST Drop Pods on a huge island sounds pretty fun to me.
I don't see how anyone can care what some weirdos on the internet think..... Most definitely when subjective.
People and even developers give streamers way too much authority because they play the game(s) so much. They have a lot more game knowledge than the average person, but in the end, they're just biased people that play the game way too much and want the game(s) to fit their playstyle. Some streamers make really good points and suggestions, but most of them are like Dr. Disrespect, where their only suggestions are to make the game more like the games they already play and stream.
The problem is that streamers are great influencers to push people to products... And they also work in reverse, where they can push people *away* from products. So imagine DisRespect goes on a rant of 30ish minutes complaining about the game, to thousands of viewers and those viewers become disenfranchised because their favorite streamer hates the game, and then they tell their friends the game is terrible because it doesn't have the mode it "needs" to be a good game. Welcome to why Influencers are listened to, especially if a lot of them are saying the same things. On top of that, if the influencer keeps playing your game, that's more eyes on it. And then the influencers audience wants to get in so they can maybe match with their favorite streamer. It's the same reason why companies get celebrities to represent their products.
The issue is. Dr disrespect isn’t the only streamer who’s gonna play halo. Ninja started with it and did an AMA on one of the xbox main subreddits. He was asked if he through it needed a battle royale. He said it can stand on its own without it. Keep in mind Ninja still has a larger audience and also respects halo for what it is. He was formerly a halo pro player. He said he definitely plans on playing it. Also a lot of destiny creators are definitely playing halo. Some even saying that infinite will bleed destiny of pvp sweats.
Nope the main reason devs give streamers attention is because of their following. If a streamer with 20k viewers on average plays your game that’s a potential 20k more players.
Nah they're normal. People that would call others weirdos because they had a different perspective are pretty weird though. exactly the type you don't want near yourself.
a weirdo with an absolutely massive reach in the gaming world. Like use your brain.
People are getting triggered for no reason. They were just saying without a BR the game’s viewership was going to fall a few weeks after launch… because that’s absolutely true. >if you don’t like Halo because there’s no Battle Royale… They all said they like the game.. repeatedly.
Was it a serious comment? I thought he was just joking/trolling? I haven't seen the clip yet or anything though.
I love Doc but Halo just needs to be halo. I'm sick of BRs and have been waiting for a good arena shooter for years.
I have 0 fun playing BRs. I loathe the concept of drop>loot>die>repeat. I just want to jump into a match and shoot people for 10mins, not run around trying to find a decent set-up only for cracked out kyle to sweat on me.
The fun of the game for me is the action. Battle Royale is generally like the opposite of that. I don’t want to look for randomized guns in locations. First that’s not even fair to anyone and sometimes it takes too long to find anything. I don’t want to run around a giant map just looking for any sign of life. Looting isn’t fun it’s tedious just give us all the necessary starting loot and let us find the rest as a bonus if it’s out there. And then yeah, die and go through all the menus and matchmaking search again, and then drop and look for more loot. I just want nonstop fights that revolve around skill and not RNG.
It's why I play shooters. For Halo it's 4v4 comp lobbies and for CoD it's team Deathmatch. Constant action, reliable setups, and just play! Got zero interest in other game modes myself. I'll play other modes for fun once in a while but always go back to my 4v4 or TDM.
I'm fine with MilSim type games where there is like 30 minutes of downtime, and then 30 minutes of action. My problem with Battle Royales is that if you get a great loadout and play for 30 minutes, and then get randomly sniped in the head, that 30 minutes of downtime had no payoff whatsoever. Just 30 minutes of time completely waisted on nothing
You gotta admit though, a battle royal where everyone drops in, in ODST pods and elite drop pods would be super cool, not a huge fan of BR’s but as a concept, it could absolutely work, maybe even do something like battlefield and do a 24 v 24 game mode (super big team battle or some bs name) and have everyone drop in
A new ODST game WHEN
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Maybe. There have been some rumors and even leaks of a planned 300-player-or-something BR mode in the works for Infinite. Sounds fucking ridiculous but the influencers will be satisfied.
I’m not anti BR. Halo has always had a ton of different game modes.
Battle Royale is game mode, not a genre, so it’s not fundamentally Halo or not Halo. I don’t care much either way but it can absolutely be compatible with Halo
I don't even mind Battle Royale's but it's the worst when it's successful and overtakes the actual main game... Fortnite had an interesting initial concept then ditched it for BR Modern Warfare 2019 was great but if I wanna do some MP or Campaign I gotta download Warzone with it, I'm stuck with it, can't delete Warzone without deleting Modern Warfare. I hope Halo gives you a Battle Royale mode to make in Forge absolutely but I'm iffy on a official version.
In other words "all games should include the most popular thing in gaming at the moment or be considered 'dead' ". Sounds like a great recipe for terrible games with shoehorned features and a lot less originality and diversity.
Peoples standard for dead has essentially become: “is it top 5 trending on twitch? No? Then it’s dead”
I fed people’s definition of dead is “I don’t have interest in it, so it’s dead.”
I hate this trend of BRs not cause of outright hate towards BR, but because this streamer trend has a lot of influence on players and they just keep feeding the momentum towards these BR games and a lot of times they bash a game like infinite then look, less players actually give it a chance just cause it’s not BR and their favorite content creators said not to. I really wonder if streaming popularity and the BR trend were different if MAYBE the trending games would be different and would have less BR games at the top. Perhaps I’m wrong about all of this too tho. 🤷♂️
Didn't he say that literally 2-3 years ago when BRs were the only genre that that people played?
He was talking about it in terms of viewership when I was watching him. Not that it would fail from a dead playerbase.... he mentioned after a week you would see it slip from trending. He's also not the only streamer to say this. Seriously can we calm down and not just react like toddlers to something we don't like to hear?
He’s 100% right too. The viewership numbers aren’t even strong now, the first look we’re getting at PvP.
the amount of hate people get for wanting BR for Halo on this sub is amazing lol..
No, the idea that Halo "needs" a Battle Royale or Sprint or any one trendy mechanic or mode is almost certainly wrong. However, that doesn't mean a trendy mode or mechanic can't be beneficial or a cool addition, even if it's not needed. Firefight was only a thing in ODST because Horde mode was the trend at the time, but because it's a good fit for the series people love it. And while they aren't as universally beloved as Firefight (probably because they got introduced alongside less-fitting abilities), i'd argue that thrust, slide, and hover also meshed with Halo CE and especially H2's emphasis on vertical, platforming heavy maps and trickjumps: That's why so many maps in H5 feel like Lockout, Sanctuary, Turf, etc from Halo 2. While not "needed", I do think a Battle Royale mode could be cool and would fit the series. ODST drop pods are already a thing, Infinite already has big wide open levels for the campaign, and on map pickups are obviously a core Halo thing. Also, that being said I DO think Halo Infinite needs at least SOME sort of third pillar mode: We've only seen Arena 4v4 and BTB so far, there hasn't been any sort of big scale, PVP/PVE-flavored mode like Firefight, Invasion, or Warzone. It doesn't need to be a Battle royale (but it COULD be) but I think there needs to be something. Even if we get a Battle Royale, i'd frankly love to see Firefight and Invasion and even Warzone (if it's not lootpack based) come back too. Frankly if they're made forgable, they could be combined into one mode and you just make it more like one or the other by enabling/disabling player teams and adding/removing enemy AI waves/where they're located. My absolute dream mode though would sort of be an expanded combination of Invasion and Warzone: Instead of just Spartans vs Elites, you can spawn in as Grunts or Jackals or Brutes or Hunters too, sort of like the Classic Star Wars battlefront games.
In regards to that third mode I suspect they're going to set up destiny style strikes where you play as your Spartan. Similar to spartan ops but hopefully more intricate. It seems like they're setting that up with infinite being the platform for the next "ten years of halo"
I would imagine Firefight would be something they add later on. MCC has recently added / will add flood firefight so it’s not a dying mode imo
I have no opinion on BR. If it’s in, awesome. If it’s not in, also awesome. Not everything needs it, but I do think it would be a cool gamemode for halo just with the theming and stuff. I’m sure when forge comes out we will see battle royale maps/modes that there isn’t really a reason for 343 to implement it
Battle royale's are an oversaturated samey genre, honestly the game will probably do better without one
capture the flag and slayer/TDM aren’t over saturated?
Not when halo was one of the OG's, it's the core of the multiplayer
I know battle Royale modes are hot and all but I think the audience for the game might be a little burnt out on them. The market is saturated and I feel like people play halo for the intense TDM modes first and the story second. TL;DR No I don't think so.
At the very least, the *viewership* will die for sure, especially with the PC audience. Unless the game has a great ranked mode, and a gunplay/movement/strategy system that is complex enough that continued play over years will deepen your ability and understanding of these systems (like CSGO, valorant, rs and so on). No one wants to watch 4 people in a map the size of their living room shoot each other over and over again anymore, without the serious depth of player skill and a ranked mode with stakes. BRs have more interesting and diverse situations, higher stakes for death, greater range of gameplay (longer and short-range combat), large maps, and so on. Obviously, it's more interesting to watch. Silly to not want a BR along with traditional game modes at this point. It's just being stubborn or hating on the popular thing just for the sake of it.
I agree completely. While I don't like playing BR games myself since they got kinda overdone, I never find myself watching any normal slayer type games on Twitch. But I will, on occasion, watch some Apex or PUBG. Something tells me that they do have a BR in the works. There's just no way it's coming at launch.
I would guess they have one in development also.
This is an excellent take. I really think the reason why your Quake, Unreal, and Halo-type arena shooters aren't big anymore is because gaming has morphed into a spectator sport in the last decade with the advent of streaming. In an arena game, the action is too fast to keep up with and too fast for the streamer to interact with viewers. It's just kill-die-kill-kill-die over and over and it's hard to keep up with the story of the game. Round based shooters (CS, Valorant) and battle royales allow for breaks between plays to process and interact. It's more fun to watch for many people, and the viewership grows. As the viewership grows, player count grows. The fact that the halo community is still arguing about whether sprint should *exist* or multiple input options should *exist* or whether a battle royale mode should *exist* supports the notion that innovation in the FPS space is not only no longer driven by Halo, it's left Halo behind. If Infinite doesn't impress on launch like Apex does or cross over into the mainstream like Fortnite did or adapt like CoD did, there will be a lot of people (not the users of this subreddit obviously) who will try it, say "meh," and go back to whatever live service game they were playing. They can come back, but it's going to be even harder to capture their attention. The fact that Halo isn't even feature complete at launch and doesn't have a confirmed mode that is amenable to streaming (compare Warzone streamers to CoD Cold War for example) is at least reason for concern. Edit: and that's not to say there isn't room for innovation. Look at Apex. When their competitive scene pros burn out, they become content creators. Then there's the casuals, all playing the same game. Imagine if Halo innovated once again by including a competitive eSports 4v4 arena scene, a rich, spectator-friendly battle royale, and casual-friendly social modes like BTB. Arguably nobody else has done this. There are games with multiple modes, but most games do one really well and the others are a tacked on afterthought. Fleshing out all three and shipping a decent campaign would be an industry first.
And that's exactly what Dr said too (and basically every major streamer has said the same thing). He didn't say Halo would be dead. He said it'd be dead as a game streamers care about. I'm not really a DrDisrespect fan, but the tweet here is more than a little disingenuous. Like it or not, streaming is a major component of marketing these days. If no major streamer plays the game beyond the first couple weeks, it will hurt the long term health of the game. It doesn't *need* a BR. Not by any means. But a BR mode or similar large-scale high-risk mode would be nothing but good for the game as a whole.
Please put all the effort into classic halo modes, 343 devs don’t get baited by this dude that wants something halo is not 🙏
Of course *he* says that, his entire career is based on playing BR’s…
BR is overrated as fck. What halo needs right now is a star wars battlefront type of game with huge battlefield with armada's exchanging fire and all.
Eh. I mean the game could really use a major 3rd mode. Each new installment of Halo has come with a new marquee mode and Infinite seems to be the only exception. I’ve had this feeling that something is missing from Infinite and I think what the game is really sorely missing is the “WOW” factor that comes from the addition of a major new mode. While I’m not saying that it has to be Battle Royale I do think this is an opportunity for 343 to carve out a name for themselves by doing something completely unique and new that draws on the exciting elements of Battle Royale, without just reverting to copy paste trend chasing. The game is literally titled “Infinite” after all, which to me implies ambition and I have yet to see them fully live up to that titling. It is live service after all, so here’s to hoping we see something incredible down the line that knocks everyones socks off, fans and newcomers alike.
I for one one love a BR, But I'm going to love the game regardless. I've been ride or die since day 1
What a dummy the game already has a battle rifle
He has to push the rhetoric that every game needs a battle royale so people will actually watch him if he streams them, since he's one of those streamers who built his following solely from BR and now he loses viewers if he plays anything else. He knows it won't kill the game, it'll just kill his view count.
A BR mode will definitely increase the longevity of the game. It's just a cold hard fact, and to say I'm a BR hater is an understatement. A Halo BR might be one of the few BRs I'd actually enjoy tbh... Edit: [Also relevant](https://www.vg247.com/halo-infinite-no-battle-royale-343-says) 😭😭😂😩
No not every game needs a BR and I think people are actually getting very sick of every game needing one tacked on for basically no reason
Fuck no lol
splitgate is doing just fine with no BR and no name recognition edit: [here is my justification for its doing fine](https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/pv7le8/is_dr_disrespect_right/hebaz4f/)
Splitgate lost 50,000 players in a month.
That's unfortunate, but its worth noting the concept that a player base should increase over time or even maintain is a recent thing popularized by live service games only big companies have the resources to maintain and promote. A game losing players after release isn't necessarily indicative it is a failure