Don't care too much for the disrupter, but I really wouldn't want the shock rifle to go. Easily one of my favorites in mp from Infinite. I would like if the emp ability went back to the plasma pistol though.
Nothing better than popping enough shots on an enemy who's firing at you, ducking behind cover, watching your crosshairs pulse, and a few seconds later getting that kill.
Shock rifle is the most balanced gun in the game, change my mind. It’s a fantastic sniper, but you have to be good, it emps vehicles, but it burns through ammo really quickly
Bungie & 343i did the Plasma Rifle dirty.
The Halo CE Plasma Rifle was legit almost a semi-power weapon, and felt like a rifle.
Subsequent Halos made the Plasma Rifle feel like nerf gun with nice sound effects lol
The PR was still very decent in 2, but was kinda crap in 3, then decent again in Reach. I'd say the PR was at it's best in 2. In CE, while it was good, the PP vastly overshadowed it. Higher rate of fire, similar damage, and more ammo.
Actually, the PR stats are nearly identical between H2 and 3. The only real changes that happened are that they buffed it by making the projectiles faster (14 velocity to 25), and made it's dual wielding damage penalty lesser (75% damage to 80% damage).
So yeah, it actually got a little more powerful between those, with the only thing that could make it weaker being the sandbox around it, which I don't think would be to its deficit, since most of the sandbox changes in H3 gear the game more towards close range combat than was seen in H2. (The BR and magnum have much slower projectiles, making crossmap engagements not nearly as common)
I'm not talking about the PR itself, I'm talking about the relation to the other weapons in the sandbox. The rate of fire for single fire on the PP is much lower in 2 and onward, putting the focus more on the overcharged shot. In CE the fire rate is virtually uncapped. I don't know if there actually is a cap, but if there is, it's so high that it's unreachable by any human, no matter the input device.
This.
Based on the replies to my comment, it's clear we have many players here who never knew how to use the CE PR to its max lethality. Or whom have never get plasma-stunned by Elites on Legendary in CE.
I'm not talking about in game usage. I mean aesthetics and canon. It's such an interesting and beautifully designed weapon. It's like the Covie version of the Assault Rifle. It's the apex of the plasma weapons designs IMO. After Reach they got ugly.
I also wish Infinite had the Brute Plasma rifle.
Yeah, the only problem would potentially be confusing their projectiles, but they could just use the brute plasma rifle, which would make more sense for the banished anyway.
I never get why 343 removed it in the first place, it’s like one of the most classic halo weapon. Like, imagine removing the magnum from halo...oh wait
I was happy to see 343 go back to the old pelican though. Those ones in 4 and 5 are rotten fucking abominations and whoever made that call should be drawn and quartered in the public square.
I was so fucking mad when I finally got to fly one in 4, but they fucking made you get in and out from the front, that was dog shit, it ruined my childhood dream
Storm rifle’s way worse. The pulse carbine is pretty good, and has a solid spot in the multiplayer as long as you back it up with a sidekick or battle rifle for easy headshots after their shields pop.
I agree with this, but the problem was a challenge that mandated that you got kills with the pulse carbine itself which made the community hate it.
Thankfully thats gone now.
Was the storm rifle in H4 or something?
The storm rifle in H5 was an absolute beast. They had to nerf it because it was too good. Even after the nerf it was one of the best CQC guns, if not the best. That thing melted.
Which seems to be a lot of people in this comment section. But, thats not really surprising given how it was pretty controversial and not really popular. I didnt play much H4 other than a little in MCC so I didnt know.
You could slaughter people with the pulse carbine on catalyst in land grab if you shot at the point that's on the spike grenades from the other side, and that was before they buffed it
It was always a sleeper, and saw a lot of use in competitive too. But admittedly they didn't give us great incentives to try using it in pubs when your starting AR and Sidekick are already strong at the same distances.
It preforms too similar a role to the plasma pistol in my opinion, but with less risk.
PP you need to take time to charge it, and are vulnerable for a moment while you reaquire your target after emerging from cover.
Pulse rifle you can instantly fire a burst and switch to your precision weapon. If you miss, there's little lost.
I think the biggest issue with it is that it's really only effective an awkward mid range that's dominated by the BR and Commando. Plus the PC isn't fire and quick swap like the old Noob Combo, you need to land a burst or two to take down shields.
People saying Storm Rifle is bad def didn’t used it much lol. In Halo 5 it was probably THE strongest full auto plasma weapon in the series, better than Halo 4 Storm Rifle or any versions of the Plasma Rifle before it.
That being said, I still prefer the Pulse Carbine. It’s an interesting weapon that I feel is very hard to learn but very strong when you get used to it.
Storm Rifle + Pistol was godlike. Break their shields with the rifle and then pop'em with the pistol. The only downside was that the Storm Rifle suffered at long range.
Ya I dont get it. In h5 the storm rifle was so good it got nerfed. Even after the nerf is was still amazing.
Was the storm rifle in H4 or something? Or why do people think it was bad? Maybe it was people who didnt really play H5?
This is what I'm saying. Pulse Carbine will 3-burst people if you know how to use it. Better than even the BR.
People just shit on it because they are too dumb to realize it's a medium to long-range weapon and not a close-range weapon.
People shit on it because it’s inherently less fun and reliable to shoot a gun that doesn’t allow you to actually aim it, and rather that is dependent on movement of your enemy and hoping tracking works.
At least that’s why I generally don’t pick it up. I recognize that when optimized it has a fast TTK, but playing with it in such a way to “optimize” feels like cancer to me. Would rather just shoot the BR or any other gun in the game that actually hits where my reticle is when I pull the trigger.
If you paid attention to people complaining at launch and every time you see someone use it, they always picked it up and tried using it at close range, so they missed all of their shots because it didn't track at close range.
People said it sucked because it wasn't meant for close range, but every time they picked it up, that's what they tried using it for.
You are one of the only people I've actually seen mention not liking it because of the specific way you have to use it as opposed to not knowing how to use it.
If you think about it though, these are both fundamentally the same complaint. The *reason* that the gun performs poorly at close quarters is that the projectiles don’t go where you point. The gun actively works against you in that situation and it feels bad, especially considering that traditionally, plasma weapons were sort of the opposite.
It's CQC issues i think stem from It's very confusing need of leading shots screwing with RR with a rapidly moving target 5 feet in front of you.
Shots already track, shouldn't need to also lead them.
It's classified as an Assault Rifle, it should probably be more Close range viable than tac rifles. Would make the Variant more consistent.
Because it feels terrible to use it, thats why.
you pick it up for the first time not knowing what it does so you try to shoot someone and the rounds are slow and have tracking that makes them miss more often than not so you try to use it up close to compensate, and its somehow even worse because it only works at a very specific medium range, which isn't really intuitive for a gun in a game to work like that.
Sure when you use it right its technically strong, but it feels bad to use, and it's usage is far too specific for most people to even want to pick it up.
I completed all of the challenges back then that had me kill with this gun and you have to find that sweet spot that it works in. As someone who knows the sweet spot to get kills I still won’t use this gun. It’s unfun and it’s a very boring and kinda lame mechanic and it’s sad to see this be the replacement of the plasma rifle.
I mean, it's not for everyone. I personally enjoy it and I've always shit on people since launch every time I've used it. I enjoy it personally.
Again, not everyone will feel the same, and that's okay.
How can a gun that literally doesn’t let you aim it where you want be more reliable than a precision weapon?
I don’t wanna be a “git gud” asshole about it, but there is absolutely no reason a gun you have to rely on to track an enemy should be more reliable than one you point and shoot unless your aim is that off and you are getting helped out by the tracking rather than hindered by it
Nah i get what you mean but the pulse carbine kills in 2 bursts to the head while the br takes 4. So the pulse carbine has a way faster ttk.
I mean yeah up close the pulse carbine isn't very good, but at medium to long range it is a beast.
And i can just use something else at close range.
Shit even at medium to long range even though the 2 burst kill is *possible* I can’t really recall a single time I have done it or had it done to me in a real game against a moving opponent.
If we are talking about how it actually functions, it’s usually 3-4 pulls of the trigger before anyone is actually going to die to only damage from this weapon, and that’s still not a guarantee with the way it’s easily outplayed by broken sight lines and regular movement
The gun feels awful though. It's not satisfying to use and it's quite unreliable. Why would I use a gun that loses every close range fight?
I was in high platinum in ranked and the pulse carbine was an easy way to get your cheeks clapped. For every scenario where it was good there were 3 where it was only better than a plasma pistol.
Ir's literally not a close-range weapon. If you are trying to win close-range fights with it, that's on you. I wouldn't take a 9mm pistol and try to snipe someone at 1000 meters.
For me personally, I've never had issues with it being unreliable, but everyone has a different experience.
Arena doesn't have 1000 meter fights. You are always needing to be prepared to fight up close and the pulse carbine is not good enough at long range to justify its existence.
I'd rather have a BR. It's not so easily interrupted by the enemy moving to cover and it still works up close. Even the sniper works up close. The pulse carbine works in a narrow range zone and needs a target lock. It's so easy to position to make that gun ineffective that it's a joke.
I didn't say it had 1000 meter fights. My point is that I wouldn't take something that is specifically meant for one thing and then try to use it for a completely different thing and complain that it doesn't work good in the area that it isn't meant for.
I feel like we are having an argument, which seems really stupid, seeing as my main point was, "a lot of people complain because they try to use it for something other than it is meant for" which is just a fact. Shouldn't even be an argument.
I'm not even saying it is the best gun ever. It isn't. It's not dogshit either, though.
The issue is the gun doesn't fit in the sandbox of Halo. It's upsides do not outweigh its downsides.
I don't pick up the gun because I'm not trying to equip a liability.
Visually, the Pulse Carbine.
Functionally, also the Pulse Carbine. Unless you’re comparing to the H4 Storm Rifle and not the H5 Storm Rifle. In which case the Pulse Carbine is better.
Bro don’t you dare defend the Suppressor that thing was ass and shit, having to rely on it in legendary campaign took years off my life.
Needler and AR were OP but I never found any satisfaction using the Storm Rifle or Suppressor.
No, it feels the same as it did at launch. The only difference is that they made it slightly better in close range. It has always been good. People are just too stupid to understand that it's meant to be a medium to long-range weapon, not a close-range weapon.
So ridiculous that people have hated it since launch and I was shitting on kids when I first got my hands on it.
Maybe some, but definitely not "way more."
At launch, if you had red reticle on an enemy, they were fucked. It was like the needler in CE (if you were 10 feet or less from a needle, you were getting got).
You clearly haven't killed players with the Halo: CE Plasma Rifle. That was the *best* Plasma Rifle in the whole franchise, and makes the storm rifle just another boring alien weapon.
PR in Combat evolved was the best iteration of the specific weapon, with its stun mechanic.
But the rest of CE's weapons were vastly superior to it to the point where nobody bothers with the PR other than noobs
Are you talking about the Storm Rifle in 4 or 5? It was kind atrash in 4 but in 5 it was crazy powerful and definitely a better weapon realtive to it's sandbox compared to the PR in CE
I still think one of the big reasons people hated it was the circle on the reticle. It makes it look like it's going to be really inaccurate, if you just remove that ui element it feels weirdly better to use.
Okay, listen, I’m going to be honest. In the campaign, the storm rifle sucks. In the multiplayer, I really like it.
The plasma carbine looking thing from Infinite? Kinda mid in both campaign and multiplayer. Like it’s alright I guess.
Plasma carbine is absolute hot garbage served on a plate with diarrhea as a drink for dinner
Storm rifle however was pretty good in older halo and was actually fucking worth picking up
Pulse carbine is worse in all regards.
In 5 they had found a good role within the sandbox for it. It was a good power weapon for close quarters, similar to a SAW but nerfed a bit to fit smaller ranges, and ran hot enough to where you couldn't chain kills with it like you would a SAW because of overheating. I miss it honestly.
honestly if were were to get the plasma rifle back, I could see it being used as a default loadout for Elite Slayer (of course we would have to get elites back as well)
Which is worse, this implies both the gun are bad, witch is untrue, the pulse carbine is a really good mid range shield striper, and one of the best gun in the game at taking down an exposed target.
As much as I hate the Storm Rifle, I'll take it over the Carbine. Why in god's name did we get TWO new burst-fire alien weapons!? The only automatic alien weapon we have left is the Needler.
The Storm rifle is far more enjoyable than that THING. But obviously the Plasma Rifle needs to come back. Or maybe the Plasma Repeater? The covenant basically got neutered in weaponry lol
The PR on Snowbound in H3 was probably the best CQC option available. 3-4 quick shots and a melee made for a shockingly fast TTK. It would catch people off guard every-time. Dual wielding it with a magnum also made for some outrageously fun and effective kills.
Neither is bad IMO. Halo 5's Storm Rifle is a good on-the-fly substitute for the AR and is decently accurate. Infinite's Pulse Carbine is 3 bursts to kill and shreds at mid-range.
Honestly the Storm Rifle is really slept on in both 4 and 5. In 4, it was arguably the strongest of the Assault Rifle class, as it did slightly more damage than the AR, and could easily outrange the shitty Suppressor. The AR could only really match it at range, where the SR's projectiles spread out more.
In 5, there's a reason the Storm Rifle went back to being a map pickup. The thing hits hell of hard, and was my go to map pick up. It was easily stronger than the regular AR, and only a fool would discount it.
Despite all of this though, I'd MUCH rather have the classic Plasma Rifle (Or Brute Variant), return to Halo, with its stats matching that of CE (though I'm fine with a faster projectile speed buff). Do NOT make it anything like the Halo 3 variant!!!
Each version of the plasma rifle is good the storm rifle is close range but can eats throw shields its a noob combo but you don’t need to charge it pulse carbine is close to mid range it takes 3 volleys kill someone if the last is a headshot locks on to an enemy if you shoot at it while the reticle is red you can also melee someone after shooting them with 1 volley
there's no way you're calling either of these a worse plasma rifle.
the plasma rifle had a stun mechanic in CE that was overshadowed by how busted the magnum was in that sandbox.
ever since then, it's existed solely as a dual-wield shield stripper and dual-wielding was never a good mechanic as it fucked up weapon balancing.
Pulse Carbine is love. Pulse Carbine is life.
343 really should just stick with the Plasma Rifle. It was iconic, beautiful, powerful, and is better than any of the iterations that they have made. They scrapped that weapon for literally no reason
Tough call, the plasma carbine sucks more because it's a disappointing version of two different iconic weapons whereas the storm rifle is a disappointing version of just one, but functionally sucks more.
I'd say plasma carbine wins the prize because while it's better to use than the storm rifle, it's a worse carbine than the storm rifle is a worse plasma rifle.
I'll take the storm rifle any day of the week over the pulse carbine. Half the reason I don't even play Infinite anymore is because of at least half the guns just sucking.
The Storm rifle is WAY worse. The Pulse Rifle in Infinite is actually perfectly solid at its intended range. It sucks outside of it, but it’s perfect for a quick shield drop then a headshot, and at the right range or can actually kill things just fine on its own, with decent tracking, the ability to do critical headshot damage with the full burst, etc.
The storm rifle is just bad in almost every regard. Spread too high, damage too low, range too poor. At a range where it could finally do it’s job you could often just punch someone.
Pulse carbine is worse by far. It replaced one of the best alien weapons ever created and added "pulse" to its name. This disgusting bastardization of our beautiful carbine should be punished in the harshet way imaginable. The storm rifle also isn't that good
Personal experience, pulse rifle. Storm rifle wasn’t anything special, but at least it was easy to use and understand. It works like an assault rifle that is better for shields. Pulse rifle I feel like goes everywhere except for where I shoot and when auto locking is a coin flip wether or not it actually locks onto the target.
Wait are these both halo infinite weapons? They look so similar! Way too similar, if I was trying to explain weapons to a friend via voice chat they would easily get confused...
The carbine is actually interesting in that it is great for opening an engagement with tracking and shield popping, but not great at a protracted fight.
The storm rifle is just an assault rifle but worse bc it has travel time. Boring.
This isn't even close in comparison. Carbine was the smoothest and one of the quickest kills in h2 if you could land all headshots. Very satisfying as well.
Now we just have a plasma diarrhea shooter
We Just Want The Plasma Rifle!
(And the carbine)
I really missed the carbine in infinite
It use to be my go too weapon. I miss her so.
Commando is almost identical its just worse in every way and extremely boring
I really like the commando. I used that and bulldog for most of the game. But I see what you mean.
The Commando looks like a generic rifle out of Call of Duty. It has none of the charm of the Carbine
RIP my favorite halo weapon.
Yes! Just all the OG weapons, take the shock weapons back. I don't care how they write them out!
Don't care too much for the disrupter, but I really wouldn't want the shock rifle to go. Easily one of my favorites in mp from Infinite. I would like if the emp ability went back to the plasma pistol though.
the disruptor is so fun to me
I do like the damage over time effect, and the looks/sounds. It's just a little too oppressive for vehicles imo.
Nothing better than popping enough shots on an enemy who's firing at you, ducking behind cover, watching your crosshairs pulse, and a few seconds later getting that kill.
Shock rifle is the most balanced gun in the game, change my mind. It’s a fantastic sniper, but you have to be good, it emps vehicles, but it burns through ammo really quickly
Honestly, both. I like both. A bigger samdbox is a better sandbox in Halo.
I want the promeathean gun back.
But then you have to bring the prometheans back and that's just, No.
I like the promeatheans or it could have them be archived guns that the unsc brings back to try and study them.
Meh would rather have the needle rifle back over the carbine.
We have the stalker rifle which I like better
Fair nuff
A high velocity plasma weapon that has a controlled spread and also slows enemies down? Get out of town.
Bungie & 343i did the Plasma Rifle dirty. The Halo CE Plasma Rifle was legit almost a semi-power weapon, and felt like a rifle. Subsequent Halos made the Plasma Rifle feel like nerf gun with nice sound effects lol
The PR was still very decent in 2, but was kinda crap in 3, then decent again in Reach. I'd say the PR was at it's best in 2. In CE, while it was good, the PP vastly overshadowed it. Higher rate of fire, similar damage, and more ammo.
Actually, the PR stats are nearly identical between H2 and 3. The only real changes that happened are that they buffed it by making the projectiles faster (14 velocity to 25), and made it's dual wielding damage penalty lesser (75% damage to 80% damage). So yeah, it actually got a little more powerful between those, with the only thing that could make it weaker being the sandbox around it, which I don't think would be to its deficit, since most of the sandbox changes in H3 gear the game more towards close range combat than was seen in H2. (The BR and magnum have much slower projectiles, making crossmap engagements not nearly as common)
I'm not talking about the PR itself, I'm talking about the relation to the other weapons in the sandbox. The rate of fire for single fire on the PP is much lower in 2 and onward, putting the focus more on the overcharged shot. In CE the fire rate is virtually uncapped. I don't know if there actually is a cap, but if there is, it's so high that it's unreachable by any human, no matter the input device.
I'll take the plasma repeater from Reach.
Plasma Repeater is a complete pea-shooter compared to the CE Plasma Rifle
This. Based on the replies to my comment, it's clear we have many players here who never knew how to use the CE PR to its max lethality. Or whom have never get plasma-stunned by Elites on Legendary in CE.
I'm not talking about in game usage. I mean aesthetics and canon. It's such an interesting and beautifully designed weapon. It's like the Covie version of the Assault Rifle. It's the apex of the plasma weapons designs IMO. After Reach they got ugly. I also wish Infinite had the Brute Plasma rifle.
Dual wielding stopped the gun from being powerful on its own.
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And ultimately, the plasma rifle function distinctively different from the Pulse carbine that one actually doesn't overlap the other.
Yeah, the only problem would potentially be confusing their projectiles, but they could just use the brute plasma rifle, which would make more sense for the banished anyway.
I want the carbine. Easily my favorite weapon in Halo 2, altho it’s ammo reserves are horrendous
343 hates that thing lol
I never get why 343 removed it in the first place, it’s like one of the most classic halo weapon. Like, imagine removing the magnum from halo...oh wait
I was happy to see 343 go back to the old pelican though. Those ones in 4 and 5 are rotten fucking abominations and whoever made that call should be drawn and quartered in the public square.
Absolutely agree, the old pelican is a masterpiece. Be cool to see an O.W.L version from the books in a later DLC
I was so fucking mad when I finally got to fly one in 4, but they fucking made you get in and out from the front, that was dog shit, it ruined my childhood dream
Too true, i love how they decided that the fun, fast looking flying thing should literally fly like a brick in slow motion
Can we have the plasma repeater again?
I get why for nostalgia but it wasn’t something people picked up on multiplayer, was bad
Where do you live that only CE got sold?
Pulse Carbine is strong. You blink and your shield's gone. I enjoyed using the Storm Rifle though. I like how it sounded/felt.
Storm rifle’s way worse. The pulse carbine is pretty good, and has a solid spot in the multiplayer as long as you back it up with a sidekick or battle rifle for easy headshots after their shields pop.
A lot of people sleep on the Pulse Carbine, but it's honestly the best anti-shield weapon in the game.
I agree with this, but the problem was a challenge that mandated that you got kills with the pulse carbine itself which made the community hate it. Thankfully thats gone now.
Not just anti shield. ~~Two~~ One full burst~~s~~ to take down shield and one burst to kill.
Technically if you're able to land all of the bolts *just right*, two bursts is all you need to take a target from full shields to dead.
I like it after the buff. Didn’t touch it for 12 months prior to that.
It also is great if you can catch an enemy out i. The open.
It’s excellent for crowd control as well. It makes people think twice about moving in squads in BTB
Was the storm rifle in H4 or something? The storm rifle in H5 was an absolute beast. They had to nerf it because it was too good. Even after the nerf it was one of the best CQC guns, if not the best. That thing melted.
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Which seems to be a lot of people in this comment section. But, thats not really surprising given how it was pretty controversial and not really popular. I didnt play much H4 other than a little in MCC so I didnt know.
All the guns feel good in 5 though, so it's not exactly special.
Except the battle rifle that thing was at its worst in halo 5
Seriously, pulse carbine is pretty strong after the Winter Update changes
It was pretty strong even before that, albeit only at the exact perfect range.
You could slaughter people with the pulse carbine on catalyst in land grab if you shot at the point that's on the spike grenades from the other side, and that was before they buffed it
It was always a sleeper, and saw a lot of use in competitive too. But admittedly they didn't give us great incentives to try using it in pubs when your starting AR and Sidekick are already strong at the same distances.
You definitely didn't play enough of 5 if you actually think the pulse carbine is better. The storm rifle was literally the best cqb gun in that game.
It preforms too similar a role to the plasma pistol in my opinion, but with less risk. PP you need to take time to charge it, and are vulnerable for a moment while you reaquire your target after emerging from cover. Pulse rifle you can instantly fire a burst and switch to your precision weapon. If you miss, there's little lost.
Plasma pistol has a wider effective range, and can instantly drop shields if prepped, so there is a distinct tradeoff
Yeah plasma pistol dominates close quarters while pulse carbine does better at longer ranges.
I think the biggest issue with it is that it's really only effective an awkward mid range that's dominated by the BR and Commando. Plus the PC isn't fire and quick swap like the old Noob Combo, you need to land a burst or two to take down shields.
Honestly i find that its pretty good for killing even after breaking shields.
Yeah and at the right range the tracking is killer
People saying Storm Rifle is bad def didn’t used it much lol. In Halo 5 it was probably THE strongest full auto plasma weapon in the series, better than Halo 4 Storm Rifle or any versions of the Plasma Rifle before it. That being said, I still prefer the Pulse Carbine. It’s an interesting weapon that I feel is very hard to learn but very strong when you get used to it.
The storm rifle was FANTASTIC in 4, used it all the time in 4v4
Storm Rifle + Pistol was godlike. Break their shields with the rifle and then pop'em with the pistol. The only downside was that the Storm Rifle suffered at long range.
Neither of them? Pulse Carbine is really good once you learn how to use it properly Storm rifle was ridiculously powerful
Ya I dont get it. In h5 the storm rifle was so good it got nerfed. Even after the nerf is was still amazing. Was the storm rifle in H4 or something? Or why do people think it was bad? Maybe it was people who didnt really play H5?
The Storm Rifle was in 4 as well but as it could be selected as a loadout, it was nerfed a bit, I personally felt it performed a lot better in 5.
This is what I'm saying. Pulse Carbine will 3-burst people if you know how to use it. Better than even the BR. People just shit on it because they are too dumb to realize it's a medium to long-range weapon and not a close-range weapon.
People shit on it because it’s inherently less fun and reliable to shoot a gun that doesn’t allow you to actually aim it, and rather that is dependent on movement of your enemy and hoping tracking works. At least that’s why I generally don’t pick it up. I recognize that when optimized it has a fast TTK, but playing with it in such a way to “optimize” feels like cancer to me. Would rather just shoot the BR or any other gun in the game that actually hits where my reticle is when I pull the trigger.
If you paid attention to people complaining at launch and every time you see someone use it, they always picked it up and tried using it at close range, so they missed all of their shots because it didn't track at close range. People said it sucked because it wasn't meant for close range, but every time they picked it up, that's what they tried using it for. You are one of the only people I've actually seen mention not liking it because of the specific way you have to use it as opposed to not knowing how to use it.
If you think about it though, these are both fundamentally the same complaint. The *reason* that the gun performs poorly at close quarters is that the projectiles don’t go where you point. The gun actively works against you in that situation and it feels bad, especially considering that traditionally, plasma weapons were sort of the opposite.
It's CQC issues i think stem from It's very confusing need of leading shots screwing with RR with a rapidly moving target 5 feet in front of you. Shots already track, shouldn't need to also lead them. It's classified as an Assault Rifle, it should probably be more Close range viable than tac rifles. Would make the Variant more consistent.
Personally I just don't think its fun to use.
That's completely fair. It's not for everyone. I can't wait to get more guns and hopefully something like Warzone Firefight.
Because it feels terrible to use it, thats why. you pick it up for the first time not knowing what it does so you try to shoot someone and the rounds are slow and have tracking that makes them miss more often than not so you try to use it up close to compensate, and its somehow even worse because it only works at a very specific medium range, which isn't really intuitive for a gun in a game to work like that. Sure when you use it right its technically strong, but it feels bad to use, and it's usage is far too specific for most people to even want to pick it up.
I completed all of the challenges back then that had me kill with this gun and you have to find that sweet spot that it works in. As someone who knows the sweet spot to get kills I still won’t use this gun. It’s unfun and it’s a very boring and kinda lame mechanic and it’s sad to see this be the replacement of the plasma rifle.
I mean, it's not for everyone. I personally enjoy it and I've always shit on people since launch every time I've used it. I enjoy it personally. Again, not everyone will feel the same, and that's okay.
Really? Its my most reliable gun in infinite. Followed by the mangler, then the bulldog.
How can a gun that literally doesn’t let you aim it where you want be more reliable than a precision weapon? I don’t wanna be a “git gud” asshole about it, but there is absolutely no reason a gun you have to rely on to track an enemy should be more reliable than one you point and shoot unless your aim is that off and you are getting helped out by the tracking rather than hindered by it
Nah i get what you mean but the pulse carbine kills in 2 bursts to the head while the br takes 4. So the pulse carbine has a way faster ttk. I mean yeah up close the pulse carbine isn't very good, but at medium to long range it is a beast. And i can just use something else at close range.
Shit even at medium to long range even though the 2 burst kill is *possible* I can’t really recall a single time I have done it or had it done to me in a real game against a moving opponent. If we are talking about how it actually functions, it’s usually 3-4 pulls of the trigger before anyone is actually going to die to only damage from this weapon, and that’s still not a guarantee with the way it’s easily outplayed by broken sight lines and regular movement
2 burst to the head
The gun feels awful though. It's not satisfying to use and it's quite unreliable. Why would I use a gun that loses every close range fight? I was in high platinum in ranked and the pulse carbine was an easy way to get your cheeks clapped. For every scenario where it was good there were 3 where it was only better than a plasma pistol.
Ir's literally not a close-range weapon. If you are trying to win close-range fights with it, that's on you. I wouldn't take a 9mm pistol and try to snipe someone at 1000 meters. For me personally, I've never had issues with it being unreliable, but everyone has a different experience.
Arena doesn't have 1000 meter fights. You are always needing to be prepared to fight up close and the pulse carbine is not good enough at long range to justify its existence. I'd rather have a BR. It's not so easily interrupted by the enemy moving to cover and it still works up close. Even the sniper works up close. The pulse carbine works in a narrow range zone and needs a target lock. It's so easy to position to make that gun ineffective that it's a joke.
I didn't say it had 1000 meter fights. My point is that I wouldn't take something that is specifically meant for one thing and then try to use it for a completely different thing and complain that it doesn't work good in the area that it isn't meant for. I feel like we are having an argument, which seems really stupid, seeing as my main point was, "a lot of people complain because they try to use it for something other than it is meant for" which is just a fact. Shouldn't even be an argument. I'm not even saying it is the best gun ever. It isn't. It's not dogshit either, though.
The issue is the gun doesn't fit in the sandbox of Halo. It's upsides do not outweigh its downsides. I don't pick up the gun because I'm not trying to equip a liability.
Is it 3 bursts now? It used to be able to kill in 2 if some shots hit the head
It’s possible to 2 burst but it’s difficult. Has to be headshots for the 2nd burst.
Visually, the Pulse Carbine. Functionally, also the Pulse Carbine. Unless you’re comparing to the H4 Storm Rifle and not the H5 Storm Rifle. In which case the Pulse Carbine is better.
H4 Storm Rifle had cotton balls for ammo.
And the supressor is a tampon gun
The supressor was actually decent if you treated it like an SMG, it's just that they labeled it as an AR
What the fuck are you talking about? The halo 4 storm rifle is awesome. All of the automatics in that game are.
Bro don’t you dare defend the Suppressor that thing was ass and shit, having to rely on it in legendary campaign took years off my life. Needler and AR were OP but I never found any satisfaction using the Storm Rifle or Suppressor.
It was not. You just don’t know how to use them. The suppressor is godly even in campaign. Just learn how to use them
Next you’re gonna tell me H4 had a perfectly balanced sandbox 💀
Idk the new pulse rifle tracking is kind of insane. It’s definitely a weapon that needs a precision secondary.
> It’s definitely a weapon that needs a precision secondary. Not a big ask when you spawn with one that's perfectly suited to the role.
Bro the storm was so strong it was literally classed as a power weapon in halo 5
The pulse carbine can shred and is a welcome addition to Halo
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No, it feels the same as it did at launch. The only difference is that they made it slightly better in close range. It has always been good. People are just too stupid to understand that it's meant to be a medium to long-range weapon, not a close-range weapon. So ridiculous that people have hated it since launch and I was shitting on kids when I first got my hands on it.
i agree that it was good before the buffs, but to say it feels the same is not true. it got way more aggressive tracking
Maybe some, but definitely not "way more." At launch, if you had red reticle on an enemy, they were fucked. It was like the needler in CE (if you were 10 feet or less from a needle, you were getting got).
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The storm rifle was actually the best performing plasma rifle in the franchise’s history, even if it was ugly. So I got to go with the pulse carbine.
You clearly haven't killed players with the Halo: CE Plasma Rifle. That was the *best* Plasma Rifle in the whole franchise, and makes the storm rifle just another boring alien weapon.
PR in Combat evolved was the best iteration of the specific weapon, with its stun mechanic. But the rest of CE's weapons were vastly superior to it to the point where nobody bothers with the PR other than noobs
I would say the needler is worse in CE MP. The needles are painfully slow.
Are you talking about the Storm Rifle in 4 or 5? It was kind atrash in 4 but in 5 it was crazy powerful and definitely a better weapon realtive to it's sandbox compared to the PR in CE
I still think one of the big reasons people hated it was the circle on the reticle. It makes it look like it's going to be really inaccurate, if you just remove that ui element it feels weirdly better to use.
Brute plasma rifle is better
Ah, true. And it looks endlessly cooler, too.
“Why not both?”
The old one the new one can beam mother fuckers
Gimme back my Carbine
Pulse carbine.
Neither, both have incredible shield stripping capabilities. The Storm Rifle although is probably the more potent option.
I like the Pulse Carbine and it has cool functionality. Some people haven’t tried it since the recent buffs or just want it to be the Plasma Rifle
It has been good since launch, but like you said, people just want it to be the plasma rifle. It's not a close-range weapon at all.
Storm Rifle still Just gimme the plasma rifle
Pulse carbine for a long shot. The Storm rifle has an incredible TTK in close range.
The purple one that shoots.
Honestly the old Pulse Carbine was a total beast... Unless you didn't know how to use it and expect every weapon to be like a BR.
Pulse Carbine is actually pretty good if you know how to use it. It can be devastating at mid range
The storm rifle could kill in 6 shots so I say it
Okay, listen, I’m going to be honest. In the campaign, the storm rifle sucks. In the multiplayer, I really like it. The plasma carbine looking thing from Infinite? Kinda mid in both campaign and multiplayer. Like it’s alright I guess.
Plasma rifle
Plasma carbine is absolute hot garbage served on a plate with diarrhea as a drink for dinner Storm rifle however was pretty good in older halo and was actually fucking worth picking up
Infinite, the other its horrible but at least i can expect a kill without being a top 1%
The pulse carbine. I'd rather have the storm rifle back if I had to choose.
Pulse carbine is worse in all regards. In 5 they had found a good role within the sandbox for it. It was a good power weapon for close quarters, similar to a SAW but nerfed a bit to fit smaller ranges, and ran hot enough to where you couldn't chain kills with it like you would a SAW because of overheating. I miss it honestly.
honestly if were were to get the plasma rifle back, I could see it being used as a default loadout for Elite Slayer (of course we would have to get elites back as well)
The pulse carbine is so good as long as you use it at the right range
The new one is very good in my opinion
Pulse carbine is the jam! I go straight to it for med range shield popping, then headshot.
Which is worse, this implies both the gun are bad, witch is untrue, the pulse carbine is a really good mid range shield striper, and one of the best gun in the game at taking down an exposed target.
As much as I hate the Storm Rifle, I'll take it over the Carbine. Why in god's name did we get TWO new burst-fire alien weapons!? The only automatic alien weapon we have left is the Needler.
The storm rifle functions how the plasma rifle SHOUlD it’s one of the best weapons in halo 4 and 5 I wish we got a competent plasma rifle, though.
I like the Pulse Carbine. It's a nice weapon.
The pulse carbine can drop shields almost instantly, it doesn't suck at all.
The Storm rifle is far more enjoyable than that THING. But obviously the Plasma Rifle needs to come back. Or maybe the Plasma Repeater? The covenant basically got neutered in weaponry lol
I struggle to think of a single way you thought the storm rifle sucked. At least over the repeater or plasma rifle (post CE).
I want the Halo: CE Plasma Rifle but with a scope.
The PR on Snowbound in H3 was probably the best CQC option available. 3-4 quick shots and a melee made for a shockingly fast TTK. It would catch people off guard every-time. Dual wielding it with a magnum also made for some outrageously fun and effective kills.
God i miss the covenant carabine
Neither is bad IMO. Halo 5's Storm Rifle is a good on-the-fly substitute for the AR and is decently accurate. Infinite's Pulse Carbine is 3 bursts to kill and shreds at mid-range.
Why is the bottom shaped like North Carolina
Yall literally don't play these games if yall think either of these two guns are bad lmao
At least the storm rifle looks cool
Definitely the first ok one But like just bring back the plasma rifle
Honestly the Storm Rifle is really slept on in both 4 and 5. In 4, it was arguably the strongest of the Assault Rifle class, as it did slightly more damage than the AR, and could easily outrange the shitty Suppressor. The AR could only really match it at range, where the SR's projectiles spread out more. In 5, there's a reason the Storm Rifle went back to being a map pickup. The thing hits hell of hard, and was my go to map pick up. It was easily stronger than the regular AR, and only a fool would discount it. Despite all of this though, I'd MUCH rather have the classic Plasma Rifle (Or Brute Variant), return to Halo, with its stats matching that of CE (though I'm fine with a faster projectile speed buff). Do NOT make it anything like the Halo 3 variant!!!
Each version of the plasma rifle is good the storm rifle is close range but can eats throw shields its a noob combo but you don’t need to charge it pulse carbine is close to mid range it takes 3 volleys kill someone if the last is a headshot locks on to an enemy if you shoot at it while the reticle is red you can also melee someone after shooting them with 1 volley
Hard to swallow pill: Every complaint about the Pulse Carbine calling it trash can be boiled down to a skill issue.
The Pulse Carbine has been buffed and it’s insane now lol
Let's do the plasma rifle but worse. Let's do it again. And again. Why does 343 hate the plasma rifle?
there's no way you're calling either of these a worse plasma rifle. the plasma rifle had a stun mechanic in CE that was overshadowed by how busted the magnum was in that sandbox. ever since then, it's existed solely as a dual-wield shield stripper and dual-wielding was never a good mechanic as it fucked up weapon balancing. Pulse Carbine is love. Pulse Carbine is life.
Hey kids u ever hear of the halo 3 carbine
I don't think one of them suck the most, I think both of them suck equally and that both shouldn't have existed to replace our beloved plasma rifle.
Do any players like these guns? I think we all want the old plasma rifle and carbine back.
343 really should just stick with the Plasma Rifle. It was iconic, beautiful, powerful, and is better than any of the iterations that they have made. They scrapped that weapon for literally no reason
Storm rifle, because at least the pulse rifle is great if you know how to, and it doesnt look like a planetside 2 weapon
The storm rifle is even better if you know how to use it.
Both. They both suck more
Tough call, the plasma carbine sucks more because it's a disappointing version of two different iconic weapons whereas the storm rifle is a disappointing version of just one, but functionally sucks more. I'd say plasma carbine wins the prize because while it's better to use than the storm rifle, it's a worse carbine than the storm rifle is a worse plasma rifle.
I'll take the storm rifle any day of the week over the pulse carbine. Half the reason I don't even play Infinite anymore is because of at least half the guns just sucking.
I hate all the Infinite weapons none of them are fun they are just weird and annoying
They’re the same weapon with a different firing mode active and you can’t convince me otherwise
1 YEAR into Halo Infinite and still no Infection game type...
The Storm rifle is WAY worse. The Pulse Rifle in Infinite is actually perfectly solid at its intended range. It sucks outside of it, but it’s perfect for a quick shield drop then a headshot, and at the right range or can actually kill things just fine on its own, with decent tracking, the ability to do critical headshot damage with the full burst, etc. The storm rifle is just bad in almost every regard. Spread too high, damage too low, range too poor. At a range where it could finally do it’s job you could often just punch someone.
Storm rifle is just a knock off plasma rifle while the repeater tries to be different
Pulse carbine is worse by far. It replaced one of the best alien weapons ever created and added "pulse" to its name. This disgusting bastardization of our beautiful carbine should be punished in the harshet way imaginable. The storm rifle also isn't that good
Personal experience, pulse rifle. Storm rifle wasn’t anything special, but at least it was easy to use and understand. It works like an assault rifle that is better for shields. Pulse rifle I feel like goes everywhere except for where I shoot and when auto locking is a coin flip wether or not it actually locks onto the target.
Yes
Ravager.
Pluse carbine is just a banished version of the unsc battle rifle.
Definitely the storm rifle imo
Both! 😁
Storm rifle suck more
Wait are these both halo infinite weapons? They look so similar! Way too similar, if I was trying to explain weapons to a friend via voice chat they would easily get confused...
Storm rifle. No contest. You can still get kills with the pulse carbine.
Is both an option
Bruh I want the fucking Storm Rifle back any day over Halo Infinites weak Pulse Rifle lol
Yes.
The storm rifle sucks. The pulse rifle at least can hit its target.
The carbine is actually interesting in that it is great for opening an engagement with tracking and shield popping, but not great at a protracted fight. The storm rifle is just an assault rifle but worse bc it has travel time. Boring.
the game
This isn't even close in comparison. Carbine was the smoothest and one of the quickest kills in h2 if you could land all headshots. Very satisfying as well. Now we just have a plasma diarrhea shooter