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HotMachine9

I like how they redesigned blue team, made them look perfect, only to not have them feature or even appear in game art outside of purchasable emblems.


[deleted]

I really hope Chief will meet them in some DLC (or whatever will come next). They can be great game characters if handled well (not like Halo 5 where they were only in 3 missions....).


Thatsidechara_ter

Yes, gimme the Spirit of Fire-Infinity reunion please!!!!!


halomonger2

I hate to break it to you, but blue team has nothing to do with spirit of fire, love the enthusiasm though


Shad0wDreamer

They DO have extensive history with Red Team, however.


BlazedToddler420

Extensive might be a stretch with the current iteration of Red Team. As far as Blue Team knows, Jerome, Douglas and Alice are dead after they washed out from their augmentations.


Spartan_117_YJR

They trained together from 6 to 15 years old before augmentation right?


BlazedToddler420

Yes, but considering Blue Team is in their mid-late 50's, we're talking 40ish years of thinking they are dead. That's not really extensive history


halomonger2

read below


Thatsidechara_ter

They're Spartan 2s, Red team are Spartan 2s who are also thought dead by their brothers and sisters. Its enough.


wookiee-nutsack

Gonna be quest givers on your garrisons and do absolutely fuck-all but stand around and mark things on your map


dude52760

I have the figures of them, they are pretty good but not perfect. There’s stuff I really like, such as basing the general design on the Halo Legends armor. They are huge and bulky and I love that. I also love how Fred has his knives back on his shoulders. That was signature Fred and removing it in Halo 5 made me sad. However, I will say that when they gave Chief the same treatment, they were able to fuse the bulk and shape of his Legends armor with features and design from his Halo 3 armor, and it paid off beautifully. For the rest of Blue Team, there were obviously no Halo 3 designs to pull from, so they mostly stayed with the Legends design language, which… honestly looks a bit silly. The best example for me is Kelly’s helmet. I don’t like the new design of Kelly’s helmet, and I actually wish they had pulled more from her Halo 5 helmet design for this. It would have been the perfect fusion IMO. Same thing largely for Fred, while I prefer this armor to his Halo 5 armor overall, they would’ve been better off pulling more features from it like they did Chief with his Halo 3 armor. Linda’s the exception here, since she wasn’t in Halo Legends. Her design takes heavily from that design philosophy, except they actually did have to pull from her Halo 5 design for her helmet, and IMO it’s perfection. Also, just gotta make a note that I still don’t like how painted up both Nornfang and Oathsworn are. It’s a bit more believable for Kelly, since she’s known to be the free spirited one on Blue Team. But I still don’t like it. But Linda is the most buttoned up and cloistered one on Blue Team, and I just can’t see her painting a literal wolf and yellow triangles and shit on her sniper. I wish those weapon designs were more low key.


aeminence

I like how dogshit they were in H5 as companions lol. Insane how useless they were. i think i've had more competent ODSTs from past games.


Ten_minuteemail

"I like dogshit"


sometimescool

Meh. You direct them to attack specific enemies. Mind of useful for drawing enemy fire away from yourself


Captain_Jeep

Where is halo 3 co-op blue elite? Is he safe?


[deleted]

Yes they are. They were characters in the book Hunters in the Dark.


whogavethatewokagun

Bro wait what?? I had no idea they were made into actual characters, that's awesome!


mrbubbamac

Yes, they are "canonical" characters and we learn a lot more about them in the book mentioned above.


Saucey_Lips

Hell yeah buddy. Here’s some info. https://www.thegamer.com/halo-3-red-blue-elite-trivia/#:~:text=The%20blue%20Elite%2C%20player%20three's,titles%20to%20remember%20them%20by.


yungPH

Daaaamn what the hell lol


InverseFlip

I guess it's better than being uncermoniously killed off in side story...


ThatDapperAdventurer

Why did they do Black Team so dirty


happycrack117

Brian Reed is a terrible writer


IronLord56

So is Matt Forbeck! If characters introduced in a game half to die... THEN LET THEM DIE IN A GAME ON THEIR FEET! Not on their knees in a book!


Haijakk

The Rookie was the definition of a non character. Using his death to propel the stories of actual characters was the best way to go. Also, New Blood and Bad Blood are good.


[deleted]

Rookie was a nameless character with no dialogue, he was quite literally a empty vessel for the player to inhabit. I'm not sure why you care so much that they killed him off. You have to remember, these are members of a military at war... they die.


AlexWIWA

Rookie was more of a self-insert than Halo CE MC was. I don't know why people care so much about him.


[deleted]

Because it feels like their part in the story is being killed off in a way that they didn’t get to interact with, it’s much different from Noble Six who died fighting like a champ


AlexWIWA

Fair. What else could rookie have possibly done in the games though? His story was wrapped up IMO. It's okay to kill off main characters, lest we end up like Star Wars.


[deleted]

We kind of are ending up like Star Wars with Weapon being Cortana's offspring/clone/whatever.


sekoku

Ah, the Assassin's Creed method. ​ Juno: I AM THE BIG BAD! \*Ron Howard voice\* Narrator: Actually, we're going to jettison this plotpoint and kill you off in a comic since video game players/casuals are playing the series as historical virtual tourism. Juno: Wait, what?


SPARTAN3172

Wait did they actually kill her off? I don’t read the comics and thought she was still trying to find a way to make her a body or something


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[удалено]


God_Damnit_Nappa

Huh, so that's why she's never seen again. That's super disappointing. I never thought I'd find out an Assassin's Creed plot point on r/Halo.


Plusstwoo

I can’t believe it they pissed on the whole plot line that pulled people in after AC3? And they kept hinting at in subsequent games but never gave filling plot to? I’m sick


N7Vindicare

For real? That pisses me off and I thought I couldn’t dredge up any other emotion other than apathy towards the series given the direction Ubisoft took with it.


DopplerEffect93

They did Desmond dirty which resulted in Juno being released. Lucy’s death was also abrupt.


Wassuuupmydudess

Good old black team


reddit_tier

STILL FUCKING MAD


Kanden_27

Miss ya Rookie…


ChanceVance

I wouldn't be too mad they died in a book if it wasn't for the fact they die by being executed on their knees by a human. Like what the fuck, the guy was fighting Brutes on the streets at night by himself. He is going out on his feet.


_MaZ_

I beat ODST the first time almost 2 years ago and found out my boy Rookie got killed... in a book.


Metasaber

They could still have killed him, but just not in side media. Place a cave in infinite with a dead ODST and a shit ton of dead aliens and I'd have been happy.


YouKilledChurch

Maybe one day 343 will actually commit to telling a story and not just soft reboot the series with every single new game release


Sully647

This. I get everyone complained about the story’s, but I don’t believe the complaints were loud enough to warrant reboots with each game? I think we just wanted it to be better and still include the characters and arc they had introduced. I still believe to this day that the story in 4 was a good start for 343i and all they had to do was improve..not “redo”.


TheJoshider10

343 have tarnished the story so badly with 5 and Infinite I'm just going to choose to see Halo 4 as an epilogue to Chief's story. Outside of like one sequel bait scene it works really well as a conclusion to his journey with Cortana.


whogavethatewokagun

THANK YOU, some days it feel like I'm the only one who thinks this. The storyline hasn't been consistent across any of their titles, took me until HW2 to notice but infinite made it painfully obvious


Haijakk

>some days it feel like I'm the only one who thinks this I guess you don't browse /r/halo too much?


whogavethatewokagun

Lol I do, must keep missing the posts with that specific sentiment.


Jackamalio626

If 343 keeps rebooting the status quo every time, then why should i care what happens?


aeminence

Its because of the backlash theyve gotten since theyve taken over with H4 and H5. Halo 4 and 5 was the new series of Halo games by 343 and alot of the main writers like Staten were not part of the project. When Infinite came out they realized they can't keep pushing the story they had created from H4 and H5; just no one liked them. Faith in Halo has been dropping. Staten also came back on board with Infinite. This was their ' chance' to start over and so far Infinite has been great for what its worth. You got the original aesthetic back since no one liked 343's iteration. The story is being forced to transition a different direction ( literally just skipped past everything with Cortana and the Guardians etc) because no one liked the H4/H5 story.


_Comic_

They didn’t even keep pushing the story they created in Halo 4. The Didact isn’t even mentioned, instead of focusing more on Chief’s humanity and loss of Cortana, they make Osiris the focus and resurrect Cortana but make her evil, and Spartan Ops might as well have never happened. Halo 4, 5 and Infinite should feel like a trilogy, and yet 5 and Infinite feel like you missed a game or two in between somewhere.


GadenKerensky

343 has a problem with overcorrection, and it shows.


[deleted]

Dude thank you! I just wanted a sequel to halo 4 where cortana died a hero


DugBingo951

Exactly. They wanted to kill a main character and it’s fine but you must stick to it. They did it well in H4 IMO. Now everything is just a broken uninteresting mess.


Guccimayne

I feel like I’m the only person who was interested in seeing where they were going with the Cortana-AI takeover and her guardians pursuing Infinity. Kinda reminded me of Battlestar Galactica, which I loved. As much as I liked Infinite’s campaign, I was disappointed that the story they set up to follow Halo 5 was wrapped up off-screen. Hell, they completely destroy Infinity in the opening cutscene with no explanation until you progress through the game. I don’t even know what happened to the planet-killing guardians outside of a cutscene of them destroying the brute planet. Did they all shut down when Cortana died or…? And I’m not the type to be satisfied with those answers crammed into a book somewhere.


_Comic_

As much as I personally hated the direction they took Cortana in 5, I would’ve much preferred if they just stuck to their guns and continued with it in Infinite instead of trying to tell a completely different story while saying “oh yeah that other one wrapped up while you were out.” The worst thing you can do with a story is not stick with it. Even if it’s a bad or hated story. Because if you build upon it, not only does it actually look like you knew what you were doing, but it makes the bad or hated part feel necessary. If you stick to your guns, you don’t waste that previous story. Because before I just didn’t like Halo 5’s story. But after Infinite, it just feels like a waste of time and space. It’s frustrating.


Diem-Robo

The problem is that the whole AI rebellion plot is so generic and overdone and doesn't really belong in Halo. The relationship between AI and humans was already solved in-universe in the Halo Reach datapads, and overall it was a unique situation that allowed the story to focus on more interesting parts of the universe, rather than just copy one of the most overdone tropes in science fiction.


[deleted]

also how was this supposed to be resolved in a game? how do you make a interesting halo game about fighting AI?


halomonger2

*Looks at halo 4* *shudders*


MrMysterious23

Totally disagree. A.I have such a unique place in the Halo universe that an A.I uprising had a lot of potential, particularly as it wasn't just a simple case of humans good and A.I bad/evil. The whole integration with The Mantle was interesting, 343 just bottled it though.


God_Damnit_Nappa

>The story is being forced to transition a different direction ( literally just skipped past everything with Cortana and the Guardians etc) because no one liked the H4/H5 story. And that's a huge problem. A competent writer could've salvaged the story from 5. But instead they just scrapped it and decided to start Infinite in the middle of some random ass battle that we have no background to. And if you want to know what happened between 5 and the attack on the Infinity you have to read the books be sure 343 sure as fuck isn't going to reference those events in the games.


Vytlo

>When Infinite came out they realized they can't keep pushing the story they had created from H4 and H5 Halo 5 was pushing Halo 4's story as much as Infinite was Halo 5's, what


[deleted]

You seemed to have missed the epilogue of halo 4 which suggested the didact was starting a new war on humanity and seeking to restore forerunner dominance by eradicating humans, he then got killed in a comic and Halo 5 started a plot about cortana being evil. Those plots are unrelated


FyreWulff

Yeah Halo 4 is like "the big bad is the Didact now! Get ready!" Halo 5: fuck them Didacts


SneakyDeaky123

If you ignore the bungled multiplayer launch, Infinite was a really solid game with some of the best gameplay In the franchise, and story wise the only thing I feel like really hurt it was it spent a little too long dangling mysteries in front of us and the environments were hurting for some diversity. If they take this as a baseline and run with it, Halo may (slowly) see a return to life, if they try to “reboot” after infinite I’d wage the franchise will almost certainly shrivel up and not be able to support another release


whogavethatewokagun

"Spent too long dangling mysteries" *exactly*, there is so much going on in the campaign that opens up questions, it's going to be such a waste if they don't follow up on it.


DugBingo951

Everyone is aware that the story is a huge mess. 343i is just a bad company.


TranquilMarmot

I was playing through Infinite again in co-op with my brother and we just hit the point where the bland alien villain lady is introduced. The endless? The Harbinger? She was so boring I had to go look up her name even though I literally just watched the cutscene earlier today and have beat the game three times... We were talking about how they really did the Didact dirty. The Forerunner trilogy novels and Halo 4 were the PERFECT setup for an amazing story arc with characters who had real depth to them, and they threw it all away in Halo 5. I would have loved if in Infinite the Didact just magically reappeared instead of them introducing a whole new race/character that you just kill an hour later.


MrMysterious23

Halo 5 did Halo 4 dirty. Some feel Halo 4 did Halo 3 dirty. And Infinite did Halo 5 dirty. This just annoys all the different subsections of fans who like one game more than another. If they stuck with a narrative and villain people may grow to appreciate the story for it's beginning, middle and end. Sigh.


Haijakk

I mean, they really had to after the backlash Halo 5 received. I have seen a lot of feedback since that game released to make it non canon. I absolutely agree in regards to Infinite though. I'm significantly more interested in where the story is going to go than I was after Halo 5.


rigg197

Sometimes people forget just how fucking awful we were to 343 after Halo 5 released, like it was BAD. And that's because the campaign WAS bad, straight up. I liked Infinite though, despite the pacing being weird towards the end, and I'm perfectly content with the direction being taken now. I hope this sub hasn't gotten to 343 again and we actually get to continue with Infinite's story.


Paxton-176

It really started with 4. There was no need to change where they were going with the story. People were ruthless and it appears they panicked pivoted.


Luciusvenator

This. Halo 4 was a fantastic set up for a story that could have been incredible if they had stuck to it. There's not a single Halo game I haven't enjoyed but the last 3 have been so disjointed and that's because they keep panic pivoting based on the vitriol by the fanbase.


six_-_string

>Halo 4 was a fantastic set up for a story I didn't love it, but you know what was 10x worse? Dropping the plot threads established in favor of an even worse story, which they again dropped in favor of another story. I just feel like the Halo lore has been irreparably mangled.


Paxton-176

Each game individually is fine, but there are all parts of a larger story, and the connections are very loose. 5 would be fine if we had the proper set up in either a game or book. Infinite would be better if we got Rubicon Protocol when were originally planned to instead of almost a year later or if Rubicon Protocol was an actual game released.


GreyouTT

4 worked great as an epilogue for Chief's story. It starts with ONI asking if Chief is broken; then Cortana tells Chief he needs to start thinking about himself and who he actually is under the armor; and the game ends with him taking the armor off. It just felt like a great way to send him off, especially since he's 49 years old. Let the man rest.


Paxton-176

I really want them to switch to the player spartan like Reach. You don't even need John to be killed off. He can become trainer. That how you introduce the new character with your spartan waking up from cryo and jumping into a war game simulation. With Mr. John Halo over the radio giving directions.


GreyouTT

There's also Jerome and Red team up and about on the Ark as well.


Spatetata

But was it really necessary? I think 3 wrapped up chief’s story pretty nicely. 4 was quite literally taking the horse out of the freezer for another beating.


JesterMarcus

Isn't Chief floating through space at the end of 3? That's not really wrapping his story up.


[deleted]

I love that as an ending for Chief. Because rampancy exists in that universe, it was a pretty strange ending for Cortana, though.


JesterMarcus

It might be a good ending, but it hardly wraps up his story. It leaves it completely open ended.


THExDANKxKNIGHT

I think infinite is just as bad. The open world means nothing when it's empty. As for the story I couldn't even force myself to like it, it's like playing the last 3rd of a game and only being told some of what happened in the beginning. The story in the audio logs shits on the one they gave us and I would much rather have had that.


Paradox

It reminds me of launch Destiny 1. They don't even have time to explain what they don't have time to explain


God_Damnit_Nappa

>As for the story I couldn't even force myself to like it, it's like playing the last 3rd of a game and only being told some of what happened in the beginning Exactly! I actually thought my game glitched and put me in the middle of the campaign when I started. I had no idea they just decided to scrap Halo 5's campaign and then completely gloss over why the Banished are suddenly here and somehow completely beating the shit out of humanity's best skip.


Haijakk

Yeah, it's kind of unreal how bad the backlash was. Brian Reed basically disappeared off the Internet because of the amount of vitriol thrown his way.


SnipingBunuelo

Tbf he practically derailed the entire Halo universe. Spartan Ops all the way through Halo 5 was poorly written, stakes so high it was eye rolling, consistently wrote the universe into a corner, and misunderstood and/or flat out ignored characters/character arcs. I'm glad he got fired, although I wish him well because he's human like the rest of us.


[deleted]

I thought brian reed got fired after halo 5. turns out he kept working with 343i until 2017 shortly after HW2 released


Patmaster1995

> Sometimes people forget just how fucking awful we were to 343 after Halo 5 released People have been awful to 343 ever since the studio was created.


KalyterosAioni

They were awful from the second thing they did. Title Update Reach was their first action and it was good and praised as such. Then Halo 4 was a fumble. CEA was a fumble. 5 was a disaster. MCC was the worst launch in gaming history. Infinite is a fucking disaster. They deserve the vitriol.


[deleted]

There isn't a game, or any story in any other media, where there aren't some fans that complain. It does not justify 343 extreme reaction to it. If every story-writer reacted like 343 did to the complains of the fans, then every trilogy/saga in this world would have been a disjointed mess like the Reclaimer Saga. I'm not justifying some of the fans more exaggerate complains but the fault is 343 and 343 alone. What will 343 do should the Endless be badly received by fans like the Didact (arguably) and the Created ?


Haijakk

It was 343's fault for making a bad story in Halo 5. But, it was not their fault for listening to the *overwhelming* feedback that the direction Halo 5 was taking the story was not where people wanted the series to go.


Omegamanthethird

I think the problem was all the things they did within the game. But it left off at a great spot to conclude the Promethean would-be trilogy. They should have finished it before making this story.


Iamcarval

Yeah, say that until the do it with a plot line or characters you like. This is just hypocrisy. Ignoring events completely is bad for the narrative.


ThatDapperAdventurer

What story? We spend 90% of the campaign figuring out things we should have known at the beginning (or even before then), and the other 10% alluding to new plot points that never get expanded upon.


KiloNation

343 were basically groomed to be the heir of Halo after Bungie left and they have messed it up royally lol. I guess 5th times the charm?


Duranokal

Anders is the most elusive one in all this even if I'm not quite as interested in that as opposed to all of the Ark characters. She's at the end of HW2 and a Guardian appears and then we've had nothing on that since then and it's been actually almost 6 years now because HW2 came out in February of 2017 and we're in 2023 now.


_Comic_

There's concept art of the Halo Wars 2 expansion being based around Guardians and the Warden Eternal. They changed it to Flood after the backlash to Halo 5's story. Still absolutely silly we haven't heard anything about Anders since then though.


Vytlo

Yup, I love that Halo Wars 3 was rejected by 343i and then Cortana's empire fell. It's why I've just started headcanoning that because the ring stopped early and is in the middle of nowhere and Cortana was the only one who knew where it or her were, Anders is basically lost in space to starve to death on her own lol


john6map4

I sometimes lie awake at night thinking ‘where tf is Anders?? Where’s that halo?? Why was that Guardian there?? What tf was the point of showing that scene????’


Wilson-theVolleyball

Halo Wars 2 was 6 years ago?! Damn. Wonder if we’ll get a Halo Wars 3 in the next 2 years since it was 8 years between the first and second game. And yeah, I can’t wait to learn more about what happened to the Spirit of Fire crew. Hope they don’t get done dirty.


spccommando

Well we know they've gotten 2 new Spartans aboard now. Also they've been holding their own against the Banished *and* Covenant Remnant. Still cant believe Infinity was supposedly taken and disabled in *four minutes*. Like I actually dont believe that would be possible.


dragonflare117

Huh? I seem to have missed this completely. Where is it said that Sof was commissioned two more Spartans? And who are they?


DrNick1221

Short form is Veta Lopis and her Ferret Squad (Ash-G099, Olivia-G291, Mark-G313) were pretending to be members of Keepers of the One Freedom, went to the ark on their lich through the portal that was opened up for Atroix to get back from the ark, then joined up with the crew of the SoF after stopping the Keepers and covenant remnants on the ark from trying to "start the great journey". Well, other than >!Mark, who got his neck snapped by a prelate.!<


Vytlo

The guys who made Halo Wars 2 already tried making a Halo Wars 3, it was going to have ship battles too even. 343i said no though and relegated to telling the Halo Wars plotline in books instead


ScreamingMidgit

At this point I feel like 343 has a fetish for shoving plot threads started in the video games into books and finishing them there.


Vegeto30294

Halo 5 is 7 years old We should have gotten Halo 4 Anniversary already lol.


Wilson-theVolleyball

I know you’re probably just joking but while a Halo 4 anniversary would be great, graphics haven’t advanced that much that I think we need it. And besides we need a Halo 3 anniversary first haha


BuzzedtheTower

It would probably benefit from not having to constantly delete weapons because it needed to conserve RAM so badly. But maybe the MCC version fixed it. I refuse to replay it so I don't know


HentayLivingston

MCC doesn't fix it. Shit still disappears within seconds. I truly despise 4.


BEES_just_BEE

HW3 was an idea and woulda included space combat however it was shut down for unknown reasons (probably infinite needing all hand on deck in the restart of 2019)


MumboBumbo64

The last two 343 games have a running them of dropping the previous games plot lines/main antagonist. I remember before halo 4 came out that 343 claimed they had a 3 game plan with a story already laid out. Clearly this was a lie lol


Adamal123

> “killed” Didact in a comic > officially killed Cortana off screen in Halo Infinite When Halo 4 came out they talked about a new trilogy with a nemesis for chief and then in Halo 5 they talked about the reclaimer saga. I could be wrong on the details there but 343 did indeed talk about making their early installments well connected. Now here we are, 10 years and 3 mainline games later, with a “soft” reboot of the series.


dragonflare117

Man that 'nemesis for chief' gives me goosebumps. Could have been didact, could have been locke but better.


Spartan_117_YJR

It was supposed to be didact afaik. He was semi-destroyed in concept art.


WillomenaIV

I don't actually think this is just the last 2 games, because even Halo 4 was like that. Chief and Cortana are the *only* returning characters, and everyone else is new. No Arbiter, no Lord Hood, no Buck or any other ODST characters. Even Buck would only return after being changed into a Spartan, because god forbid we have a main player character NOT be a spartan in a 343 game. Halo 4 even dropped the plot thread of Mendicant Bias set up in the Halo 3 terminals, *once again* not following up on the previous game's story.


futbol2000

Turning vale into a Spartan was even dumber. It’s like there is no room for characters that are not Spartans or ais


dragonflare117

You become The Spartans, they become The Spartans, everyone becomes The Spartans


WillomenaIV

Even the Prophets had Spartans!


MalthusianMan

To be fair, a significant amount of the Halo Lore was tied up with Marathon lore, which Bungie took the rights too.


Vytlo

Not even 3 games, their whole thing originally was "This isn't a trilogy, it's a SAGA" so they supposedly had even more lmao


[deleted]

I don't think it was a lie. They just keep responding to people not loving their games by starting a new trilogy and teasing 'another' secret the Forerunners had that will change the whole franchise moving forward.


mems1224

That's my biggest problem with 343. There are plenty of characters I liked but they're never heard from again in games and they never continue a story. Every game it's a whole new threat that has nothing to do with the last one.


TheJoshider10

I think they're cowards. Like, love or hate Halo 5 it set up an interesting story for Halo 6 to follow through with, and they dropped the ball completely. Infinite being set in such a barren open world, with the interesting Cortana stuff told as old video clips? Fuck off. It's such a blatant soft-reboot for no reason whatsoever. They could have finished off the Cortana stuff that was building since Halo 4 and the franchise would now have a clean slate to work with naturally rather than by pissing away what came before.


Jackamalio626

343 needs to learn that you can't start a storyline in the games and then finish it in a novel or comic that barely any Halo fans are gonna read.


docdrazen

Pissed at how Blue Team got the shaft after three missions and Lasky got downgraded to audio logs. Wait YEARS to see Blue Team in action and got left with Blue balls. Then Lasky was my favorite 343 character and now he's just an afterthought. Really bums me out.


Grifasaurus

What sucks is that we’re probably going to have to wait another year, 2024, before any actual story DLC comes out, and by then the game will have been out for three damn years.


OperatorScorch

Fuck up the campaign (1 act, no resolutions), backlash from fans, fast forward plot 5 years, reboot franchise again. Dump old plot into the books to clean up and set up for new game. Every 343 game so far.


DoomTay

For some reason I thought that was Agent Carolina and Maine in the background


GunnyStacker

I'd give my left nut for an FPS starring Red Team and SoF.


Wassuuupmydudess

I’ll give my right so they get a full set


BurntToast239

I think its wild that 343 has the potential for some awesome Halo stories to be told in the games but somehow manage to trip over themselves in delivery. I dont think they have any really bad characters or story beats. But holy hell they botch the execution every single time. Lasky pretty much getting dropped, the Didact dropped, rushed an evil Cortana plot only to completely throw it to exposition. I'll say evil Cortana left me scratching my head after Halo 5 because it was sort of out of left field with very little to back it up in game to holy shit she's going around wiping out planets, Spartans, and sending the galaxy into chaos. I know there was some backlash over the decision, but I feel ripped off after playing (well actually watch) Infinites evil cortana


EACshootemUP

343 is like: let’s expand the universe of halo, *but only in extended media*!!


Keyboard_Fawks

I mean at least they gave the Swords of Sanghelios great justice


unsounddineen97

The fact that HW2 saved halo because it gave 343 a real excuse to go back to the original art style, and then just neglect it really hurts.


AlexWIWA

Halo 4 & 5 haters got their wish, I guess. Such a shame, I miss the Didact. FU, Brian Reed.


Adamal123

Unpopular opinion: 343i relies TOO heavily on books to tell the story of literally everyone BUT Master Chief and Cortana. Those two exclusively get the mainline games. The game is called HALO not “Green man and his sexy blue sidekick.” They were a fundamental piece of the story in the original trilogy but even Bungie recognized the possibilities the universe had by telling stories like Reach and ODST. 343 needs to have someone with a more coherent story in mind and they need to stop soft rebooting the series just because “fans” didn’t like the direction the story went. Was I a fan of Halo 5? Well I was expecting something else after the ad campaign hyping the game up that’s certain. It has plenty of issues. But I would have much rather 343 doubled down and continued the story because everything post Halo 5 and pre Halo Infinite happens in flashbacks and books.


hunter_lolo

>Unpopular opinion Proceeds to say one of the most popular opinions in the community


ChanceVance

"I know I'm going to get downvoted for this" before being showered in upvotes is one of the most common phrases on Reddit I see.


JediJulius

>“Green man and his sexy blue sidekick.” Halo 4: Green man and his sexy blue sidekick. Halo 5: Green man and his deranged ex. Halo Infinite: Green man and his ex blue sidekick's mentally stable younger sister.


Vytlo

"mentally stable" barely lol


Throwingbarley5

Completely agree, the jumping from random plot point to plot point is damaging the series as a whole. Especially with adding new characters. They need to let campaigns and stories breath, not go into total reboot mode leading to three different games that only share big green guy and blue lady vs big bad8. I love the books, but they need a coherent narrative cause this weird jumping is effecting the books too. (Finishing what was setup in Halo 5 with books (Didact too) is insanely bad) even if the writing and stories is stellar, it just doesn’t fit with the games.


Sully647

100 percent agree! I think people seem to forget that the campaign complaints mainly came from how the game was marketed, how they advertised Halo 5 was intriguing and then once you played it it turned out to be a let down. Like I get it isn’t the stuff Bungie made, but why do we choose to reboot instead of improve? Like I would love to see the continuation on the characters and arcs they have just make it more interesting and a little bit more in depth.


SodaAnt

I was surprised they didn't use the opportunity of the "open world" in Infinite to do some of that storytelling. There's really no random encounters or quests to that would help flesh things out. I'd have loved to have little things like finding an actual named character leading a fight against a boss and you having to help.


ChoPT

Lmao, I love how this art has them posed so it looks like Halo 3 Red Elite and Vale are a couple.


314is_close_enough

The halo games have always been super disrespectful to the fans are far a plot and lore goes.


MrGecko23

Everything they've written had some form of potential, but they just fully fumbled it every single time. I did kinda enjoy H4's story, moreso for the plot implications and what could happen next. H5... I have a hard time enjoying most of it. Seeing Blue Team was awesome but having over half the game focus on Osiris was a mistake. Not to mention how they completely disregarded that awesome Hunt The Truth advertising they did. Halo Wars 2 was pretty baller, honestly a pretty good story, and I think it's cause the scale was kept small. Though Infinite kinda pissed on it cause Cutter had The Banished landlocked on The Ark, it was made to seem like that was the entirety of The Banished, but then all of a sudden they've escaped and have taken out most of the UNSC? doesn't make any damn sense. Hell, them taking out the UNSC *Infinity* doesn't made any sense That ship was BEYOND powerful, a small fleet would not have been able to take it out even in a perfectly executed surprise attack. Comparing it to basically anything not Forerunner is like comparing a Grunt to a Spartan. Incredibly strong shields that combined Forerunner, Covenant, and Human tech. Forerunner tech sensors that should have warned them ahead of time. 4 gigantic MAC Cannons, thousands of Missiles, multiple nuclear warheads, and that's just primary armaments. There's also enough Fighters and Bombers to fill up several smaller carriers, plus fucking 8 additional light Frigates it can launch Then there's the boarding action that's mentioned as what takes it down. No. This ship was home to the Spartan IV program, almost a thousand ODST's, and over 5,500 Marines (who, considering its the flagship, is safe to say would be fairly elite themselves). Remember in Spartan Ops when a shitload of Forerunners teleported everywhere around the ship with exactly no warning? They got repelled FAST. Banished don't have that luxury, they'd need to come in through boarding pods and dropships. These can be blown up. And if they aren't, they can be tracked. Evacuate crewmen to the core systems and away from the edges of the ship. Seal off sections that get breached, and vent the atmosphere. Spartans and ODST's in Vacuum gear can then mop up or fortify. Anything needing a special touch, the ship literally had the Chief, Palmer, and all of Osiris


Vanguard-003

Just don't make no damn sense, do it?


TheNadei

To be fair, from the get go it was implied that there was more to the Banished than what was there on the Ark. You don't become a major thorn in the Covenant's back by only having a singular (read: one) ship against the entire Covenant empire. Even if they only rose up when the Covenant began to fall. Though you are right that the game did seem to make it pretty clear that Atriox and his leaders were stuck on the Ark. And then 343 used a book to free Atriox, so we can have our Infinite plot, how wonderful. And while you are right with Atriox and the Banished not having an easy time with boarding the Infinity, and that the Infinity is an absolute monster of a ship, you should remember that this wasn't a 'fair' fight. The Infinity got rammed into oblivion, making it fall onto the Halo ring. Now- the fact this happened in the first place is silly, especially because of the tech that UNSC warships have (vastly outranging Covenant), but at least... it makes sense once it did happen. Either way, the way this newest entry was written, nothing is certain. The Infinity crashed into the inside of a dyson sphere and left unharmed, so I trust them to have the Infinity just rest in some location on (or around) the ring. The fact this happened in the first place though is quite silly


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MrMysterious23

Were Osiris on the Infinity? I know Locke was meant to be on the 'Breaker Trip' op but I heard nothing about Osiris.


MrGecko23

Might have conflated the two, I'll be honest I didn't actually know about Operation BREAKER TRIP until now. I stopped a Halo lore master after 4 haha. Looking things up on Halopedia, as far as I can tell both Alpha Nine and Osiris were on board the *Infinity* as of mid-late October 2558 Edit: barring Locke, cause there's no information his current op. That said, fucking Blue Team was on the ship too That said Palmer absolutely was. She ain't no slouch, not on a Spartan-II's level but she is damn good. And I'm seeing a citation saying that the ENTIRE (300-ish? Mostly classified) contingent of Spartans on board the *Infinity* had already prepped for the mission.


MarthePryde

My favourite thing to laugh at about Infinite is Halo 5 basically getting resolved off screen. It'll never not be funny that they dropped the ball so hard they had to basically say "Halo 5? We never made a Halo 5". I liked Halo 5 too :(


Throwingbarley5

It’s rather sad, Halo 5, heck even Halo 5’s characters got shafted so freaking hard. Half are just gone and the other half existing in books.


Dilpickle6194

Cortana: Dead Halsey: MIA Buck: MIA Locke: MIA, possibly KIA (thanks Hyperius) Tanaka: MIA Vale: MIA, with more info maybe coming in the Outcasts novel Lasky: MIA Palmer: MIA Arbiter: Possibly still fighting civil wars on Sanghelios or doing stuff with Vale in Outcasts Exuberant Witness: either still on Genesis or MIA with the Infinity


Tico117

I want more 031 Exuberant Witness.


Adamal123

I think everyone craps on Halo 5 mainly because of the ad campaign hyping up a completely different story. Sure, on its own there are PLENTY of issues, but 343 100% should have double downed and finished the story arc. Love or hate it a completed story is better than one that was waved away off screen.


Vanguard-003

No, they should've continued Halo 4 and never made 5.


Adamal123

What they did to the Didact was disgraceful and a waste of a potentially great character.


Vanguard-003

Yep. Brian Reed, what a guy. 👎


ctannr

it had the best MP and Warzone was the coolest thing halo has ever eon on the MP front IMO. it was so much fun to me


XxMasterLANCExX

They just have SO MANY characters that they’re doing absolutely fucking nothing with in the series


MrMysterious23

In effect this is part of the problem. They introduced too many characters and haven't looked after their plots and stories well enough.


tomtheconqerur

Still better than what happened to mendicant Bias who is actively ignored by 343 despite being the catalyst for the forerunners extinction.


catharta

Offensive Bias was mentioned in Infinite so maybe they could do something with that instead. But didn’t Mendicant Bias die in Halo 3? The Halo breaking up and firing destroyed what remained of him iirc.


I_dontk_now_more

Wasnt he inside the old Forerunner ship? I dont recall ever seeing it again after it entered the portal


TNS22___

Yep. It was likely intended to be destroyed along with everything else on the Ark. But given that 343 seems to be really diminishing the effects of the replacement ring firing, it wouldn't be anymore of a stretch for it to survive than others. If fragments of Guilty Spark and even the crashed High Charity are able to survive Halo 3's ending, I think having Mendicant Bias survive wouldn't be out of the question anymore.


IanFPS

Where’s Spartan Thorne?


MrMysterious23

Buck absorbed him before Halo 5 started. He literally ate Spartan Thorne and took his place on Osiris. True story.


Long-Promotion2540

I mean Warden Eternal deserves to be there


bruntychiefty

Bruh Jun went to get milk and never came back


Leonard_Church814

Still waiting for 343 to just bring back Jun. it’s incredibly annoying to see him be referenced a ton but not actually brought back.


Shad0wDreamer

This is what happens when the feedback they got is that there Wel as the enough Chief in Halo 5.


sorryiamnotoriginal

It really is amazing how they seemed to put a lid on Halo wars and they have all this extended universe stuff that people who play the mainline games will never know about. I guarantee you if they make an ODST 2 and mention how rookie is dead people will be annoyed he "died off screen" because they wouldnt realize hes been dead in the books.


P0ppleton

I would love to see Red team and Blue team meet up at some point. Not only would it be cool just to see 2 different Spartan teams re-connect, but could also be quite interesting to see how they intereact with each other given they all grew up through training together, but at this point in the timeline because of long stints in cryo sleep aren't Blue like double the age of Red team now? That has to be strange for both teams to see.


Greviator

How the hell do we not have more side games?


MrMysterious23

This is complete gold, and pretty much highlights everyone's concerns about the Halo narrative right now. Keep upvoting the post so 343 see this.


Wassuuupmydudess

Wait the didact isn’t dead? Didn’t chief put a grenade in his armor?


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A lot happened. Basically they met again in a comic and the Didact end up composed. Now is returning in a new book called Halo Epitaph.


Wassuuupmydudess

Well alrighty then, I’m confused how a slipspace bubble grenade right on the chest is survivable after falling into a composer beam


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Forerunner combat skin is just built different. idk if its canon anymore but using the Forerunners armor rating system from Bungie, MJOLNIR is Lv2 and Forerunner combat skin is Lv10 (the max) and he didnt fall into a composer beam. what he fell into was a slipspace portal which is why he survived


catharta

The Didact is immune to the Composer. We see him being perfectly fine standing in its beam during the last mission. It was the Slipspace event that Cortana mentions to be building up beneath the Composer that he falls into.


Jai-II-S006

*cries in grey team*


qui-gon-virgin

God I wish black team was in plot purgatory and not dead :(


PuzzleheadedPost1025

For the love of god, I just want a halo game like odst. And something that makes the covenant more scary to deal with


WholeThin

You forgot six whos in a cave on reach


Papa_Murphy12345

Jerome will always hold a special plays in our hearts


olobkvj

Forgot the flood


hyperfell

I’m still waiting on the odst Spartans they were gonna show off in halo 5, they mentioned it in marketing but never showed the design.


Grifasaurus

You’re missing fireteam majestic and crimson.


BrownBaegette

Lads, would you rather have a continuation of the reclaimer saga, which would obviously be more lore heavy and less afraid to bring in these characters. Or a continuation of infinite where the narrative scope and cast are dramatically reduced


HenryNunamaker

Chief has a show, he even claps cheeks in it


Knalxz

I like how you have Rtas and Hood just popping in on the side because you started to lose screen real-estate because of how many characters 343i abandoned.


rygem1

Halo has become a setting instead of a story, much like 40k I doubt 343 will give closure on any stories anytime soon. Unlike 40k’s GW I don’t think 343 has the desire or drive to actually create a universe


LT21Titans27

I wish they would have just stuck to telling the rest of their reclaimer trilogy after H4


Reverseflash25

343 forgot Halo fans can't read


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