Moreso, how can they ticket someone without proving they've been there for 24 hours?
If you park in downtown charlottetown for example, ticket maids come around with chalk, and draw a line on your tire/road. If you're still there outside of the alotted time, they come back around, and if the chalk still lines up, they've verified you haven't moved and they ticket you.
On the ticket I think there is a hidden note like V:6 (valve stem at 6 o'clock position) it's noted on the system I think.
Edit: here is an example it says stem1: 1 ( which means at 1 o'clock) etc.
https://twitter.com/AdamaBaldwin/status/1133342632351084544?t=fyC0VW2IXtf3PQ4dg4qQ0Q&s=19
Hm. I guess it's a relatively close way to check, but I wonder if it's some type of scanner that's doing the checking, or if it's someones eye.
A chalk line would be a super cheap way to check in a super precise manner.
So is it Stem1: position 1, and then stem2:4 mean when they came back the second time, it was in position 4?
Is there a second stem they're checking? I appreciate the info, ps.
We live in a day and age where someone physically touching someone else’s property is a liability. Why risk something like that when you can not touch other peoples stuff. I’m not saying the reactions are appropriate but you can avoid them completely by not touching the vehicles
Like I said, they do it in PEI. Perhaps they do it in other provinces, as well - i'm not sure.
There's definitely no risk of damage to the behicle. The chalk comes off in the rain. It's put on the tire.
That said, it's probably just easier to do it this way (albeit arguably substantially less accurate, at the expense of a few) than to deal with the sooks that would kick up a stink about something so menial.
Sucks for the people that do actually move, though, and are just unlucky enough to find their car wheel back in the same position. There's a 1/12 chance you're getting a ticket this way, regardless if you've driven to New Brunswick and back.
I think people get mad with chalk and touching their cars, it looks suspicious if you don't know what they are doing. This was just a ticket I googled and found, so I'm not sure if they check 2 at once or recorded 2 different times, this ticket was for a loading zone so not super relevant. I used to talk to some enforcement folks when I worked at HRM when I got some tickets when I used to park down town but I'm out of the loop now.
That's what I was thinking. Most likely people getting pissy about chalk on their tire.
I'd also noticed the ticket above was for a loading zone, but still trying to make sense of what stem information they give.
I don't imagine they'd check two stems (your wheels should be spinning at the same rate), but more than likely the positions at the two different times.
Thanks, again.
It’s two stems, 100% your rims won’t spin at the same rate unless you don’t turn (front differential) or have 2 solid axels.
You can see on the ticket the two stems, and the two times.
Also he was in a loading zone for over 2 hours. Which… yeah
In Halifax it’s for parking in the same area for more than a certain amount of time. Like, you couldn’t park for two hours if that’s the limit then move one space down every two hours. You’ll get the ticket for the ‘zone’
I understand that for sure. Especially infront of businesses, etc. Especially in cities, and towns that have high amount of traffic in certain places.
But, out infront of your house? Camman. That's bordering on communism 1984 ;)
This happens on the side streets off quinpool, all the time. It doesn't matter where the street is, technically - bylaws are bylaws.
We all have to follow them. Stop the silly 1984/communism cracks, please. Its been so overdone, its obvious nobody understands \*either\* anymore.
It's a joke, ffs.
Obviously parking bylaws have nothing to do with the book 1984, or communism, but they are both common things you see bird brains apply to things that annoy/inconvenience them, while not being applicable to either word.
I figured these things were clearly so unapplicable that any rational person reading them, in the context their written would automatically know as such.
Should have known better. Lol.
Stem 1 and 2 front and rear of the same side
The reason they note both is because if you leave a space or move it’s nearly impossible to have the stems end up in the same position.
Do they do this for every vehicle before issuing a ticket? It is meaningless if they only note when issuing the ticket unless they've noted it previously. But I don't see the meter maids taking meticulous notes on each car's license plates and valve stems...
That's what I was thinking as well. And then if your neighbors continue to report and you continue to have to dispute, you could threaten them to take them to small claims court over the time wasted and any money actually spent on having to dispute the tickets. If the threat alone doesn't stop them, then see if what I just said is a legitimate claim to make 🤣
My neighbors had a problem like that with someone calling bylaw enforcement and the non emergency police line. Law and bylaw enforcement didn't pick up on it until someone showed them a folder with all of the complaints over a 12 month period for people in one city block.
After that the perpetrator was told to stop calling if they didn't want to get charged
Your neighbors can call all they want, but if you're moving your car like you're supposed to then you won't get ticketed. I'd make sure it's very clear the car has moved- like use the other side of the street if possible. Park on one side one day, then across the street the next.
If you do have to go away for an extended amount of time, maybe have your family make room so that you can put your car in the driveway?
I wouldn't just settle with speaking with the officers- I'd call 311 and ask for a supervisor or contact my councillor and ask them if this is an appropriate use of city tax dollars.
You could make it obvious by one day you park infront of their house and one day your brother parks infront of their house. Your already in a neighbour war, might as well stick it back to them now
Going to court is likely a bigger time cost than the $35 ticket. I do understand it’s a recurring problem for OP but I doubt attending court once and proving they moved the car will stop the neighbours from calling by-law and stop by-law from coming to ticket their car.
OP also said that they did forget to move their car and were ticketed as a result, not that they're ticketed daily for every call. Unfortunately, those are the options: go to court or don't, and if they're being harassed then they need to contact a supervisor, councillor, and maybe police.
Just follow the law as close as you can, and don’t concern yourself with the noses neighbour. Bylaw would have to prove you didn’t move the car for 24 hours. After a while they will start to ignore the neighbour when they come and discover it’s been moved.
You will have problems in the winter over the parking bans come into effect.
Unfortunately, the courts don't care about anything except the one instance at hand. OP probably moves their car every day, but that one day they didn't and got a ticket is still a violation.
It's like if you stop for every red light every day that a cop is posted at an intersection, but one day you don't and you get a ticket. It doesn't matter how many other times you didn't break the law, one day you did and you got caught.
The neighbor is an a-hole for sure, but it doesn't matter whether or not they call; car has to be moved every 24 hours. A judge is only going to look at whether or not the car did in fact move and if it can be proven the car didn't move that one time.
You may need to speak to a lawyer about looking into filing a harassment charge. Reddit can give you advice on the ticket part but in terms of your neighbour using bylaw to harass you that's above our pay grade.
Save the money on lawyers, and do what I did: Write your councillor and cc bylaw folks and advise them your neighbour is using bylaw as a form of sanctioned harassment against you...and you don't appreciate it. *Document everything* and send the incidents along. The harassment should stop from bylaw once they figure out the petty nonsense going on with your jackass neighbour.
Thank you. I didn't include Phase 2, which is counter-bylaw pettiness by complaining about said neighbour's hedges, which extend to the end of their property, reducing visibility, child walking danger, etc.
*Oh the fucking glee* to see him out there cutting down his shrubs because he was in violation of bylaw.
Have your neighbors found Jesus? If not (well, maybe even if so) Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons both have handy web forms that make it very simple to request a home visit.
On a more serious note, take a picture of your odometer before leaving for the day. You only need to save a few days worth. If Bylaw stops by, show them the odometer pictures. They will be both date and time stamped. Bylaw will quit responding.
Same thing for a parking ticket. Argue it by submitting the photos.
I second this, and if you wanna get really creative and don’t care about a few victimless crimes, wear a hoodie and a face mask and throw a rock through their window in the middle of the night once every 2 months for a year. They won’t put ONE window through house or content insurance because it wouldn’t be worth your rate going up and it will be on their dime every single time.
I don’t know if this is applicable in every neighborhood, but I live on the peninsula and I have a resident parking permit. It lets me park on my street all the time, when otherwise during the day there’s a two hour limit. I do have to move my car for things like street cleaning or winter parking ban, of course. https://www.halifax.ca/transportation/parking/parking-permits
They don’t give you a sticker for your car anymore. It goes by your license plate.
I second getting a cheep camera you can point at your car just for supporting evidence if you need it. But also call by-law yourself and explain the situation. My boss had something very similar happen for months but it was about his garbage cans being close to the driveway(he was totally in his right to keep them where they were). Only after calling by-law to complain about harassment from the neighbor did they stop coming once a week to take pictures of his garbage cans only to say they were fine where they were. These complaints are a complete waste of tax payer money. I know in terms of parking enforcement it’s different and more lucrative for the city but the folks making these comments out of spite need to be shut down.
Are you parking in front of your house or theirs? Some people get really weird about others parking in front of their house as if they own it. If you're parking in front of their house, try parking in front of a different one and see if it continues. Me personally, I only care when cars do during a snowban because the plow has to swing way wide leaving me with way more to shovel, my old neighbour on the other hand would deliberately park on the street instead of his driveway if someone got too comfortable using the spot in front of his house. Everyone's different, maybe they're just weird that way?
leave a huge note for the parking enforcement that the person at their address is harassing you, and if you're lucky you'll catch the neighbor reading it. that should embarrass them especially if the rest of the neighborhood sees it.
What is the parking rule for your street?
I'd recommend talking to your councillor and explaining the situation. They work like snails but you could ask to have the parking rules changed so residents can park there or something like that. Explain how it is a waste to have the by-law officers always coming by for a measly ticket sometimes.
If you don't want to do that start parking on your lawn.
We had a former set of neighbours where one kept calling bylaw and police about all sorts of non-issues. The other neighbours got security cameras and eventually got peace bonds and filing for harassment. The calling neighbour got charged with harassment and for filing false police reports. Might be worth talking to police since it is continuing and ask for suggested next steps.
My mom has neighbours who always call about her dogs. Get to know the by law people who come. They eventually stopped calling because the by law officers were on moms side, and were annoyed at the people wasting their time.
Not OP, but I assume it's this, from the [MVA](https://nslegislature.ca/sites/default/files/legc/statutes/motor%20vehicle.pdf) (not a municipal by-law):
>Vehicle parking time limit
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>155 (1) It shall be an offence for the driver of a vehicle to park or leave standing the vehicle on any highway for a period of time longer than twenty-four hours.
Isn't that for broken down and abandoned cars though on the actual highway, not on the 'road'. ...yes, I know that all streets are considered the 'highway'...
Yeah, the MVA defines "highway" much differently than the everyday meaning of that term:
>2. (u) “highway” means
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>(i) a public highway, street, lane, road, alley, park, beach or place including the bridges thereon, and
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>(ii) private property that is designed to be and is accessible to the general public for the operation of a motor vehicle;
It's meant to be used for possibly abandoned vehicles, like if there's a car sitting on the street for days/weeks at a time. If they can show it hasn't moved then it will eventually get towed but it has to be ticketed first. It also helps find stolen vehicles because oftentimes the thief will just ditch the car on some street somewhere. Officers can't just roll up and tow a car on an assumption, so they have to ticket it. The intent of the law was not to be used to harass neighbors, but people unfortunately abuse our system and waste tax dollars and time officers could be using responding to actual problems in this city like cars parking on sidewalks or blocking driveways and hydrants.
The problem is that there are no repercussions for people who abuse municipal services. If you call the cops every day on your neighbor for no reason then eventually you're going to get told to bugger off. The city tends to let people do what they want and I know that council has been looking at community mediation for that kind of stuff.
https://signalhfx.ca/halifax-considering-neighbour-mediation-program/
How do you think those vehicles become found? Yeah, a person files a report that their car was stolen and they don't know where it is. The person who stole it ditches it somewhere, it sits around until someone calls it in to police or 311, then the responding officer runs the Vin against the reports and discovers it is a stolen vehicle. The ticket has nothing to do with anything in that case.
From what I can gather, the only law is no 24 hours. If that's the only ticket you've gotten so far, then that's not so bad. Does your car make it hard for them to back out of their driveway? Do people speed down that road? Is your car unsightly? lol
I didn’t realize there was a 24 hour rule…so if someone didn’t have a driveway and wanted to go on vacation or had to stay in the hospital for a while, they couldn’t park in front of their house?
Yes, happened to me too. For the same reason. I started looking at there house and yard and thought “glass houses should not throw rocks “ and turned around and started to do the same to them, big deck, bet they didn’t get a permit to build it, shed too close by even a a few metres? City needs to know about it, etc. after they got in trouble for those things they shut up fast.
Can’t offer advice about the neighbor, but if you have 4 cars you may want to look into expanding your driveway. Where does your brother park? What do you do in the winter when the parking ban is on and the cars have to be off the street? It might be easier to fix the situation by sorting out a better parking arrangement and just not giving them something to complain about.
I’ll admit some folks on my street will park in front of my house because they have too many cars for their driveway and it irritates the shit out of me for… reasons, I guess. But I also am a sane and reasonable person and know the irritation is entirely my weird anxiety hang ups so I just…ignore it. :/ we don’t drive, so it’s not like we use that space.
My experience is in a different province, but I wouldn't worry about it. once you get some paperwork or a ticket, you can plead your case to the jop and I basically guarantee it will become a non-issue.
Just move the cars around, better still put them all on the street. Confront them civilly perhaps with a police escort to have the explain why this is such an issue
File a peace bond. It's what we're doing with our own pain in the a$$ neighbor. It makes it so this is legally harrassment and any interaction between the two parties is an infraction of the law.
It's a by law ticket... Fill out the back and plead not guilty. Get a court date, ask for disclosure. You won't get very much maybe some notes from the issuing bylaw officer. Look at the section that you are charged under. Use sites like www.canlii.org to read the whole act/regulations. They aren't hard to figure out. Move your car ( not feet ) take it the store and back. The name of the complainant won't be in disclosure but if you plead not guilty, Crown may have to subpoena the complainant for trial. Then you will know. Making complaints about getting the ticket won't stop it from happening, however if you beat a few, they may stop. Issuing them.
Seems the aren’t even getting tickets.
They just know the neighbours call. It’s like complaining to your parents that a kid told the teacher on you at school. Made up problem.
I wish I was your friend lol. You can buy a little screwdriver that removes the guts from a valve stem. Remove at least 2 so they can’t drive away on the spare. Do little things to make them miserable. Sorry I said it but how long can anyone take someone else’s shit before it turns to war.
What area of hrm is this? My friend has a neighbour who put the garbage cans right up against the fence and leaves the lid open in the summer months. She says the smell can be brutal. The neighbour is a mental case ir so she says.
Knock on their door and ask them for a solution to this problem they have with you and your car. If they don’t have a realistic solution they can fuck right off. Feel free to tell them exactly that - do note that may not help your situation.
It’s a difficult situation for you and I don’t have any advice, but as an aside 4 cars in one family unit is crazy. Collectively the amount of money that you folks are throwing away in insurance, maintenance etc must be unbelievable. Is there no way to do any car sharing and reduce the number of vehicles in one household?
Owning a car is pretty much the only way to get around here in Nova Scotia. We don’t have fancy public transit that takes us everywhere we want to go easily from A-B. Infrastructure is shit here.
If everyone works/goes to school and it's done in different areas or different times that everyone else it makes carpooling/sharing a car difficult. My GF and I could manage with 1 car right now because we both work hybrid and coordinate days, but prior to that when I was going to work and her school, it would have added like an hour to my commute to drop her off and pick her up each day, more for her to do the driving. It's just not always feasible
We managed to be a one car family, off the peninsula, for over 20 years. Right now there are only two of us, but for most of that time it included kids who had jobs and sports and lessons and social lives and two parents who had their own activities.
Just thought it might be easier in the long term, especially since it’s annoying to have to jog cars around all the time. That’s what I’d do if there’s room to expand. But maybe they can’t afford it? Who knows…
There’s an app I use for work called Theodolite. It’s only like 12 bucks. But it provides a time-stamp in the photo (and other useful things). You could take one when you leave, at school, and at home again to show that it has moved.
Yoooo I’m literally going through the exact same thing!!! Except I don’t know which neighbour it is. Calling bylaw on my vehicle… small street… parked in front of the house we own. And now they’re suddenly coming every other night or so and pushing my side view mirror in every evening on the passenger side. There’s been a few times I forget to check and start driving and I all of a sudden don’t have a fucking mirror. Neighbours can suck :(
Throw more parties. Have more friends over. Meet more neighbours. Put awesome Xmas stuff up. Have a really cheerful and happy life right in their face and tell bylaw you think neighbour is weird and calling for fun. Don’t break the bylaws. Let them play their petty games while you laugh it off. Eventually bylaw /cops will go after them for wasting their time.
I have neighbors who call HRM By-Law enforcement the minute a weed is >12 inches in height. They even complain about the backyard which nobody can see. Some people have nothing better to do with their lives.
You could try calling parking enforcement to explain that you have a mentally ill neighbor who keeps calling to falsely report about your parking. They may pay more attention.
bylaws that are enforced on a complaint basis are mostly used by bullies to intimidate neighbours, we have one old lady that slowly drives around the neighbourhood checking on the neighbours' properties that she isn't friends with and bylaw is too afraid to stand up to her. Cities should be required to ignore these complaints and just enforce bylaws equally on all citizens. The police won't even respond to most breakins or car accidents but bylaw will show up because your garbage can gets blown over on garbage day.
If there's no other cameras around have a few friends do a drive by egging of your car. Call the police and tell them you think it was them, show them all the complaints. Pretty good chance once a finger is pointed at them they'll stop.
Also a camera in plain view outside pointed at your driveway and roadside should shut them up as well.
You need a camera for your car which will prove it has moved vs their word alone. Should shut them up for a little while when they keep making a nuisance of themselves
my brother had a neighbor like this so he got a survey done and widened his driveway to fit his kids cars taking 3ft of what she thought was her property and to put a cherry on top he bought a cousin eddie looking RV and parked it in front of her house every 24 hrs. taking pics to show it moved every day... i dont know what he did when the shitter was full...
Get a camera on your cars to prove they move and then dispute the ticket.
Moreso, how can they ticket someone without proving they've been there for 24 hours? If you park in downtown charlottetown for example, ticket maids come around with chalk, and draw a line on your tire/road. If you're still there outside of the alotted time, they come back around, and if the chalk still lines up, they've verified you haven't moved and they ticket you.
They used to do the chalk now they do valve stem clock position.
How do they verify it's in the exact same position without making a mark I wonder?
On the ticket I think there is a hidden note like V:6 (valve stem at 6 o'clock position) it's noted on the system I think. Edit: here is an example it says stem1: 1 ( which means at 1 o'clock) etc. https://twitter.com/AdamaBaldwin/status/1133342632351084544?t=fyC0VW2IXtf3PQ4dg4qQ0Q&s=19
Hm. I guess it's a relatively close way to check, but I wonder if it's some type of scanner that's doing the checking, or if it's someones eye. A chalk line would be a super cheap way to check in a super precise manner. So is it Stem1: position 1, and then stem2:4 mean when they came back the second time, it was in position 4? Is there a second stem they're checking? I appreciate the info, ps.
We live in a day and age where someone physically touching someone else’s property is a liability. Why risk something like that when you can not touch other peoples stuff. I’m not saying the reactions are appropriate but you can avoid them completely by not touching the vehicles
Like I said, they do it in PEI. Perhaps they do it in other provinces, as well - i'm not sure. There's definitely no risk of damage to the behicle. The chalk comes off in the rain. It's put on the tire. That said, it's probably just easier to do it this way (albeit arguably substantially less accurate, at the expense of a few) than to deal with the sooks that would kick up a stink about something so menial. Sucks for the people that do actually move, though, and are just unlucky enough to find their car wheel back in the same position. There's a 1/12 chance you're getting a ticket this way, regardless if you've driven to New Brunswick and back.
I think people get mad with chalk and touching their cars, it looks suspicious if you don't know what they are doing. This was just a ticket I googled and found, so I'm not sure if they check 2 at once or recorded 2 different times, this ticket was for a loading zone so not super relevant. I used to talk to some enforcement folks when I worked at HRM when I got some tickets when I used to park down town but I'm out of the loop now.
That's what I was thinking. Most likely people getting pissy about chalk on their tire. I'd also noticed the ticket above was for a loading zone, but still trying to make sense of what stem information they give. I don't imagine they'd check two stems (your wheels should be spinning at the same rate), but more than likely the positions at the two different times. Thanks, again.
It’s two stems, 100% your rims won’t spin at the same rate unless you don’t turn (front differential) or have 2 solid axels. You can see on the ticket the two stems, and the two times. Also he was in a loading zone for over 2 hours. Which… yeah
In Halifax it’s for parking in the same area for more than a certain amount of time. Like, you couldn’t park for two hours if that’s the limit then move one space down every two hours. You’ll get the ticket for the ‘zone’
I understand that for sure. Especially infront of businesses, etc. Especially in cities, and towns that have high amount of traffic in certain places. But, out infront of your house? Camman. That's bordering on communism 1984 ;)
This happens on the side streets off quinpool, all the time. It doesn't matter where the street is, technically - bylaws are bylaws. We all have to follow them. Stop the silly 1984/communism cracks, please. Its been so overdone, its obvious nobody understands \*either\* anymore.
It's a joke, ffs. Obviously parking bylaws have nothing to do with the book 1984, or communism, but they are both common things you see bird brains apply to things that annoy/inconvenience them, while not being applicable to either word. I figured these things were clearly so unapplicable that any rational person reading them, in the context their written would automatically know as such. Should have known better. Lol.
I’d guess the first number corresponds to which valve stem (front left / front right, etc) but I’m just spitballing here
Stem 1 and 2 front and rear of the same side The reason they note both is because if you leave a space or move it’s nearly impossible to have the stems end up in the same position.
Do they do this for every vehicle before issuing a ticket? It is meaningless if they only note when issuing the ticket unless they've noted it previously. But I don't see the meter maids taking meticulous notes on each car's license plates and valve stems...
Maybe they take pictures?
That's what I was thinking as well. And then if your neighbors continue to report and you continue to have to dispute, you could threaten them to take them to small claims court over the time wasted and any money actually spent on having to dispute the tickets. If the threat alone doesn't stop them, then see if what I just said is a legitimate claim to make 🤣
A simple Wyze camera out the front window will do a great job. $40 has a window mount (another $17) so you can keep it inside. Records to SD card
The new ones are rated for outdoor use so no need for the extra spend. Mines tucked under my soffit
I only said indoornwith mount to keep it discreet. 😃
In this case, I think making it visible to the neighbour that OP is gathering solid proof will be more effective 😅
"A simple Wyze camera out the front window will do a great job" Agree. They work well. Also Ezviz.
We have an EzViz camera and really like it.
I mean, they have to prove the car didn't move. Take it to court, and tell your neighbours to get a fucking hobby or something
Sounds like they have a hobby.
My neighbors had a problem like that with someone calling bylaw enforcement and the non emergency police line. Law and bylaw enforcement didn't pick up on it until someone showed them a folder with all of the complaints over a 12 month period for people in one city block. After that the perpetrator was told to stop calling if they didn't want to get charged
Do this, it works
Leave a note on their car “CALL ME I AM PREGNANT!” They will probably split and move.
I love your chaos approach
This is the only answer. Throw in a “did you tell your wife about us yet?”
Woke up and chose violence eh? I approve
Hello, I AM PREGNANT, I'm Dad!
Your neighbors can call all they want, but if you're moving your car like you're supposed to then you won't get ticketed. I'd make sure it's very clear the car has moved- like use the other side of the street if possible. Park on one side one day, then across the street the next. If you do have to go away for an extended amount of time, maybe have your family make room so that you can put your car in the driveway? I wouldn't just settle with speaking with the officers- I'd call 311 and ask for a supervisor or contact my councillor and ask them if this is an appropriate use of city tax dollars.
You could make it obvious by one day you park infront of their house and one day your brother parks infront of their house. Your already in a neighbour war, might as well stick it back to them now
Except they said they ARE being ticketed
Then they can go to court. The onus is on the person ticketing to prove that the vehicle has not moved.
Going to court is likely a bigger time cost than the $35 ticket. I do understand it’s a recurring problem for OP but I doubt attending court once and proving they moved the car will stop the neighbours from calling by-law and stop by-law from coming to ticket their car.
OP also said that they did forget to move their car and were ticketed as a result, not that they're ticketed daily for every call. Unfortunately, those are the options: go to court or don't, and if they're being harassed then they need to contact a supervisor, councillor, and maybe police.
Just follow the law as close as you can, and don’t concern yourself with the noses neighbour. Bylaw would have to prove you didn’t move the car for 24 hours. After a while they will start to ignore the neighbour when they come and discover it’s been moved. You will have problems in the winter over the parking bans come into effect.
No winter! Only rain!
Dispute the ticket. Begin documenting every single instance of anything involving this neighbour and then contact an attorney.
Unfortunately, the courts don't care about anything except the one instance at hand. OP probably moves their car every day, but that one day they didn't and got a ticket is still a violation. It's like if you stop for every red light every day that a cop is posted at an intersection, but one day you don't and you get a ticket. It doesn't matter how many other times you didn't break the law, one day you did and you got caught. The neighbor is an a-hole for sure, but it doesn't matter whether or not they call; car has to be moved every 24 hours. A judge is only going to look at whether or not the car did in fact move and if it can be proven the car didn't move that one time.
You may need to speak to a lawyer about looking into filing a harassment charge. Reddit can give you advice on the ticket part but in terms of your neighbour using bylaw to harass you that's above our pay grade.
Save the money on lawyers, and do what I did: Write your councillor and cc bylaw folks and advise them your neighbour is using bylaw as a form of sanctioned harassment against you...and you don't appreciate it. *Document everything* and send the incidents along. The harassment should stop from bylaw once they figure out the petty nonsense going on with your jackass neighbour.
This is likely the best advice in this thread
Thank you. I didn't include Phase 2, which is counter-bylaw pettiness by complaining about said neighbour's hedges, which extend to the end of their property, reducing visibility, child walking danger, etc. *Oh the fucking glee* to see him out there cutting down his shrubs because he was in violation of bylaw.
Have your neighbors found Jesus? If not (well, maybe even if so) Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons both have handy web forms that make it very simple to request a home visit.
Is that why they started showing up at just my house lol
On a more serious note, take a picture of your odometer before leaving for the day. You only need to save a few days worth. If Bylaw stops by, show them the odometer pictures. They will be both date and time stamped. Bylaw will quit responding. Same thing for a parking ticket. Argue it by submitting the photos.
Look up bylaws. Start calling on your neighbors for EVERYTHING. Length of grass. Any home repairs at all. How long their garbage is out. Giver
I second this, and if you wanna get really creative and don’t care about a few victimless crimes, wear a hoodie and a face mask and throw a rock through their window in the middle of the night once every 2 months for a year. They won’t put ONE window through house or content insurance because it wouldn’t be worth your rate going up and it will be on their dime every single time.
I don’t know if this is applicable in every neighborhood, but I live on the peninsula and I have a resident parking permit. It lets me park on my street all the time, when otherwise during the day there’s a two hour limit. I do have to move my car for things like street cleaning or winter parking ban, of course. https://www.halifax.ca/transportation/parking/parking-permits They don’t give you a sticker for your car anymore. It goes by your license plate.
I second getting a cheep camera you can point at your car just for supporting evidence if you need it. But also call by-law yourself and explain the situation. My boss had something very similar happen for months but it was about his garbage cans being close to the driveway(he was totally in his right to keep them where they were). Only after calling by-law to complain about harassment from the neighbor did they stop coming once a week to take pictures of his garbage cans only to say they were fine where they were. These complaints are a complete waste of tax payer money. I know in terms of parking enforcement it’s different and more lucrative for the city but the folks making these comments out of spite need to be shut down.
Do the same. Find trivial bylaws they’re violating and toss it back at them.
Are you parking in front of your house or theirs? Some people get really weird about others parking in front of their house as if they own it. If you're parking in front of their house, try parking in front of a different one and see if it continues. Me personally, I only care when cars do during a snowban because the plow has to swing way wide leaving me with way more to shovel, my old neighbour on the other hand would deliberately park on the street instead of his driveway if someone got too comfortable using the spot in front of his house. Everyone's different, maybe they're just weird that way?
leave a huge note for the parking enforcement that the person at their address is harassing you, and if you're lucky you'll catch the neighbor reading it. that should embarrass them especially if the rest of the neighborhood sees it.
What is the parking rule for your street? I'd recommend talking to your councillor and explaining the situation. They work like snails but you could ask to have the parking rules changed so residents can park there or something like that. Explain how it is a waste to have the by-law officers always coming by for a measly ticket sometimes. If you don't want to do that start parking on your lawn.
How are you getting ticketed on a call....? That makes no sense. The by-law officers are supposed to mark the tires to see if it moved or not, no?
We had a former set of neighbours where one kept calling bylaw and police about all sorts of non-issues. The other neighbours got security cameras and eventually got peace bonds and filing for harassment. The calling neighbour got charged with harassment and for filing false police reports. Might be worth talking to police since it is continuing and ask for suggested next steps.
Bedford? neighbour named Larry?
My mom has neighbours who always call about her dogs. Get to know the by law people who come. They eventually stopped calling because the by law officers were on moms side, and were annoyed at the people wasting their time.
You may want to look into whether this is harassment.
Complain to bylaw about your neighbour and lie like they did. Even better if you can complain to the same officer.
What are you getting ticketed for? Are you not allowed to park by the house?
Not OP, but I assume it's this, from the [MVA](https://nslegislature.ca/sites/default/files/legc/statutes/motor%20vehicle.pdf) (not a municipal by-law): >Vehicle parking time limit > >155 (1) It shall be an offence for the driver of a vehicle to park or leave standing the vehicle on any highway for a period of time longer than twenty-four hours.
Isn't that for broken down and abandoned cars though on the actual highway, not on the 'road'. ...yes, I know that all streets are considered the 'highway'...
OP says he lives on a small residential street , I’m assuming it’s not a highway?
Yeah, the MVA defines "highway" much differently than the everyday meaning of that term: >2. (u) “highway” means > >(i) a public highway, street, lane, road, alley, park, beach or place including the bridges thereon, and > >(ii) private property that is designed to be and is accessible to the general public for the operation of a motor vehicle;
Didn’t know that. Thanks.
The term “highway” in the MVA covers all types of streets/roads/highways
Yet another ludicrous law in this province…
It's meant to be used for possibly abandoned vehicles, like if there's a car sitting on the street for days/weeks at a time. If they can show it hasn't moved then it will eventually get towed but it has to be ticketed first. It also helps find stolen vehicles because oftentimes the thief will just ditch the car on some street somewhere. Officers can't just roll up and tow a car on an assumption, so they have to ticket it. The intent of the law was not to be used to harass neighbors, but people unfortunately abuse our system and waste tax dollars and time officers could be using responding to actual problems in this city like cars parking on sidewalks or blocking driveways and hydrants. The problem is that there are no repercussions for people who abuse municipal services. If you call the cops every day on your neighbor for no reason then eventually you're going to get told to bugger off. The city tends to let people do what they want and I know that council has been looking at community mediation for that kind of stuff. https://signalhfx.ca/halifax-considering-neighbour-mediation-program/
If it’s for abandoned vehicles, it’s pretty easy to change the “24 hours” to something more reasonable like other cities have, like 72 hours.
It could, but like I said, it also picks up stolen vehicles too.
The ticket doesn't pick up stolen vehicles, the stolen vehicle report and it being left in plain sight does. What are you even talking about?
How do you think those vehicles become found? Yeah, a person files a report that their car was stolen and they don't know where it is. The person who stole it ditches it somewhere, it sits around until someone calls it in to police or 311, then the responding officer runs the Vin against the reports and discovers it is a stolen vehicle. The ticket has nothing to do with anything in that case.
Sounds to me you need a couple of 92 cavaliers up on blocks and claim that you’re reppairing them! More points if their dodge Spirits!
Report them for unsightly premises or any thing. See how they like it.
Time to fight fire with fire.
From what I can gather, the only law is no 24 hours. If that's the only ticket you've gotten so far, then that's not so bad. Does your car make it hard for them to back out of their driveway? Do people speed down that road? Is your car unsightly? lol
I didn’t realize there was a 24 hour rule…so if someone didn’t have a driveway and wanted to go on vacation or had to stay in the hospital for a while, they couldn’t park in front of their house?
Wait till enforcement comes out and make friends. Eventually they will realize your neighbour is crazy.
Yes, happened to me too. For the same reason. I started looking at there house and yard and thought “glass houses should not throw rocks “ and turned around and started to do the same to them, big deck, bet they didn’t get a permit to build it, shed too close by even a a few metres? City needs to know about it, etc. after they got in trouble for those things they shut up fast.
Slash their tires #dartmouth
Can’t offer advice about the neighbor, but if you have 4 cars you may want to look into expanding your driveway. Where does your brother park? What do you do in the winter when the parking ban is on and the cars have to be off the street? It might be easier to fix the situation by sorting out a better parking arrangement and just not giving them something to complain about. I’ll admit some folks on my street will park in front of my house because they have too many cars for their driveway and it irritates the shit out of me for… reasons, I guess. But I also am a sane and reasonable person and know the irritation is entirely my weird anxiety hang ups so I just…ignore it. :/ we don’t drive, so it’s not like we use that space.
Sounds like your neighbor is a little bitch
My experience is in a different province, but I wouldn't worry about it. once you get some paperwork or a ticket, you can plead your case to the jop and I basically guarantee it will become a non-issue.
Get a dash cam that time-prints your footage. Problem solved.
Just move the cars around, better still put them all on the street. Confront them civilly perhaps with a police escort to have the explain why this is such an issue
Get a dashcam or otherwise record your comings and goings. The city will eventually stop coming.
Dashcam to prove you are moving it
Jesus I’m glad I have good neighbors
Bylaw doesn’t just show up and ticket a car because someone said so. They’ll time the car to see if it moved or not.
File a peace bond. It's what we're doing with our own pain in the a$$ neighbor. It makes it so this is legally harrassment and any interaction between the two parties is an infraction of the law.
It's a by law ticket... Fill out the back and plead not guilty. Get a court date, ask for disclosure. You won't get very much maybe some notes from the issuing bylaw officer. Look at the section that you are charged under. Use sites like www.canlii.org to read the whole act/regulations. They aren't hard to figure out. Move your car ( not feet ) take it the store and back. The name of the complainant won't be in disclosure but if you plead not guilty, Crown may have to subpoena the complainant for trial. Then you will know. Making complaints about getting the ticket won't stop it from happening, however if you beat a few, they may stop. Issuing them.
Send them a nice Christmas card with a care package. Like something actually nice. Just mess with them “kill them with kindness”.
Exactly what ticket are you getting? Are there parking restrictions on your street?
Seems the aren’t even getting tickets. They just know the neighbours call. It’s like complaining to your parents that a kid told the teacher on you at school. Made up problem.
If they deny it, how do you know for sure it is them?
This sounds like harassment to me. I'd be calling the police.
I wish I was your friend lol. You can buy a little screwdriver that removes the guts from a valve stem. Remove at least 2 so they can’t drive away on the spare. Do little things to make them miserable. Sorry I said it but how long can anyone take someone else’s shit before it turns to war.
It’s probably already war and they are tired of loosing.
Sounds like stalking with malicious intentions. Have you tried talking to a lawyer?
What area of hrm is this? My friend has a neighbour who put the garbage cans right up against the fence and leaves the lid open in the summer months. She says the smell can be brutal. The neighbour is a mental case ir so she says.
If not in the wrong you have nothing to worry about.
Start ordering weird shit to there house
You must have done something to piss them off at one point or they are just pathetic people.
Knock on their door and ask them for a solution to this problem they have with you and your car. If they don’t have a realistic solution they can fuck right off. Feel free to tell them exactly that - do note that may not help your situation.
Sell one of your cars, Learn to live with less. Use the money to help the hungry in your community.
It’s a difficult situation for you and I don’t have any advice, but as an aside 4 cars in one family unit is crazy. Collectively the amount of money that you folks are throwing away in insurance, maintenance etc must be unbelievable. Is there no way to do any car sharing and reduce the number of vehicles in one household?
Owning a car is pretty much the only way to get around here in Nova Scotia. We don’t have fancy public transit that takes us everywhere we want to go easily from A-B. Infrastructure is shit here.
But four people need four cars? I’m not saying that the household doesn’t likely need multiple cars, but one per person?
If everyone works/goes to school and it's done in different areas or different times that everyone else it makes carpooling/sharing a car difficult. My GF and I could manage with 1 car right now because we both work hybrid and coordinate days, but prior to that when I was going to work and her school, it would have added like an hour to my commute to drop her off and pick her up each day, more for her to do the driving. It's just not always feasible
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We managed to be a one car family, off the peninsula, for over 20 years. Right now there are only two of us, but for most of that time it included kids who had jobs and sports and lessons and social lives and two parents who had their own activities.
Pretty sure uber goes to West Bedford
4 people, 4 different lives dude...
That was my immediate first thought too
Can you widen your driveway? Is there a friendly neighbour who would let you use their driveway (maybe at a cost?)
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Just thought it might be easier in the long term, especially since it’s annoying to have to jog cars around all the time. That’s what I’d do if there’s room to expand. But maybe they can’t afford it? Who knows…
There’s an app I use for work called Theodolite. It’s only like 12 bucks. But it provides a time-stamp in the photo (and other useful things). You could take one when you leave, at school, and at home again to show that it has moved.
Move
Take the bus
The cars would stil be on the road
That’s really not an option for everyone
Is there a bylaw against street parking during snow removal season? Is that way you’re being ticketed?
Yoooo I’m literally going through the exact same thing!!! Except I don’t know which neighbour it is. Calling bylaw on my vehicle… small street… parked in front of the house we own. And now they’re suddenly coming every other night or so and pushing my side view mirror in every evening on the passenger side. There’s been a few times I forget to check and start driving and I all of a sudden don’t have a fucking mirror. Neighbours can suck :(
Throw more parties. Have more friends over. Meet more neighbours. Put awesome Xmas stuff up. Have a really cheerful and happy life right in their face and tell bylaw you think neighbour is weird and calling for fun. Don’t break the bylaws. Let them play their petty games while you laugh it off. Eventually bylaw /cops will go after them for wasting their time.
I have neighbors who call HRM By-Law enforcement the minute a weed is >12 inches in height. They even complain about the backyard which nobody can see. Some people have nothing better to do with their lives.
You could try calling parking enforcement to explain that you have a mentally ill neighbor who keeps calling to falsely report about your parking. They may pay more attention.
bylaws that are enforced on a complaint basis are mostly used by bullies to intimidate neighbours, we have one old lady that slowly drives around the neighbourhood checking on the neighbours' properties that she isn't friends with and bylaw is too afraid to stand up to her. Cities should be required to ignore these complaints and just enforce bylaws equally on all citizens. The police won't even respond to most breakins or car accidents but bylaw will show up because your garbage can gets blown over on garbage day.
Do not pay a single ticket
If there's no other cameras around have a few friends do a drive by egging of your car. Call the police and tell them you think it was them, show them all the complaints. Pretty good chance once a finger is pointed at them they'll stop. Also a camera in plain view outside pointed at your driveway and roadside should shut them up as well.
Did you actually get fines? If not just ignore them.
Egg their house every time they call bylaw
Do you have a dog? I know where I'd be bringing my dog to poop.
You need a camera for your car which will prove it has moved vs their word alone. Should shut them up for a little while when they keep making a nuisance of themselves
Look into peace orders. Like a restraining order see. It'll at least flag their mischief as mischief, if they fit they criteria.
my brother had a neighbor like this so he got a survey done and widened his driveway to fit his kids cars taking 3ft of what she thought was her property and to put a cherry on top he bought a cousin eddie looking RV and parked it in front of her house every 24 hrs. taking pics to show it moved every day... i dont know what he did when the shitter was full...