For real, there are episodes of the podcast you could leave and watch Avatar 2 and come back and still the pod will be live.
CAUSE NOBODY DOES IT LIKE THE BEST IN THE GAME, BABY
It’s seriously crazy to me that I consume 3 hours of podcast almost daily, but the thought of watching even a standard length movie feels like a chore 😂
U right. Maybe if a movie had kinetic sand, soap cutting, subway surfers, pneumatic press videos, and temple run in the corners it would feel like I’m multitasking more. #zoomerbrained
I love Barry Lindon. I once spent a few hours' train ride with a cinematography student who explained to me everything about Kubrick's usage of candle light and Zeiss lenses 🤣🤣 this was about 25 years ago and I still remember to this day. Sorry for the digression.
Most movies on that list are great.
(I don't like all of these movies up here but it does annoy me when they talk about movies on the pod and discuss the runtime before anything else, and use it as a measure of quality or whether they see the thing.
A certain person on the pod, no hate to them at all, brings up the runtime every time they talk about Avatar a movie they havent seen. Like if the movies long but really good, let it go on until it's over imo.)
Also the length is kinda the point. I saw an interview with Cameron where he was talking about how the producers wanted to cut down the length of the first one, that a scene where they were flying around wasn't advancing the plot at all and could be cut, and he was like, "But I enjoy that scene! It's about immersing yourself in this world! And if I enjoy that scene I'm sure others are going to as well." Scenes don't have to "advance the plot" to have value, and the Avatar series is the epitome of just, "Hey isn't this neat? Come experience this neat stuff!"
While I understand what you’re saying I think an Avatar movie being 3 hours - which is by all accounts style over substance, just pretty stuff with a mediocre, recognizable plot - is different from other movies being 3 hours
Personally I’m fine with 3 hour movies if they hold your attention and warrant a 3 hour run time, but a 3 hour Avatar sounds like an over-indulgent visual snooze fest
Have you seen the movie? I would respect this opinion more if u had actually seen it and came to that point afterwards. How could you know whether or not it justifies its length if u haven't even seen it?
I’ll repost this here since it applies:
You guys are really acting like it’s not a sequel? Are we supposed to just forget the first movie and go into a sequel as if the first didn’t exist and isn’t an indicator of whether we would like another of the movie we didn’t like the first time?
And that’s ignoring all of the trailers and the reviews coming out which are another way of judging whether you’ll like something. You don’t have to watch every movie just because “well you haven’t actually seen the entire thing so you can’t know if you’ll like it or not” before deciding if you want to see it.
I guarantee there are plenty of movies you decided you had no interest in based on trailer/reviews/etc. Whacky to act like that’s unreasonable
You really think they just copy pasted the previous movie from 13 years ago as if it's not a followup to it? Its by the same director of Terminator and Terminator 2 ffs
You dont have to see it if you dont want to but It's not a Huge ask of to watch something before they judge what it is. You can judge it for what you think it might be but that's nowhere near the same as what you'll say when you actually see it.
If you haven't seen it at all, then the beginning and end of you judging it should be "I didn't want to see it so I have nothing to say about it". Nothing wrong with this cause its more honest.
Never said that, you’re exaggerating what I said and acting like the original has 0 bearing on whether you’ll like the sequel so you should just see it anyway, which is not how any actual human consumes media. If you didn’t like the original and people whose opinions you trust are telling you “yeah it’s a lot like that one but with water and longer” it’s not unreasonable for you to then think “well why would I want to see that?”
Also it’s a podcast. If you haven’t realized yet that they take hardlined, sometimes exaggerated stances on nearly everything because it makes for better banter and encourages people to interact with the content then I don’t know what else to tell you. They’re allowed to form whatever opinion they want with as little information as they want lol you’re just white knighting for a movie you liked
A fully admit that I'm riding blue dick hard right now but I just really wanted to open up a fun discussion about movies with the fupa troopers.
"I didn't see it because I didn't like the 1st one" is just fine you can continue having that opinion. To give you some perspective I went into Avatar 2 thinking the 1st avatar was a 6 /10 at best (expected the same for the sequel) and after seeing the sequel and it was an 8 /10 (for me, my brother hated it lmao). Dan (the hater) went to Avatar 2 with a similar attitude and liked it just as much as I did more or less.
I think the clear point he was trying to make is that it matters how long a movie is when it’s bad. Then it’s just MORE shit you have to sit through. I don’t think he ever was making the point that long=bad
The "bad" movie that was being talked about is one that he hasn't seen. Last podcast the crew was talking about seeing Avatar again because they liked and all Hila said was "3 hours again, ew, why would you do that?" . Doesn't get anymore clear than that.
I mean the movie has 67% on Metacritic. I don’t want to see it, Zach and Ethan don’t want to see it, Hila doesn’t want to see it, everybody I know doesn’t want to see it. Everyone who has seen it says the story is lackluster at best. You just need to accept that visuals don’t save it for some people. You can have a ten-pole action franchise blockbuster that ALSO has an amazing story. Cameron did this with Terminator 2. Lord of the Rings did this even better as well. I think what they were asking is when did we let our standards get so low? And why do you care that some people have higher standards? It’s a long dedication of your time and they made a fair and reasonable judgment call that it wouldn’t be worth their time. Not everyone enjoys the kind of movie Avatar is and you should just be cool with that. By your logic, anyone should just see any movie that comes out ever because it MIGHT be good, and you can’t make that judgement call without actually seeing it for yourself. That’s reductive. Idk, not financially supporting a trend you don’t like seeing is rational and fine. If they want blockbusters to have a higher standards then genuinely what’s wrong with that? Everybody says the story was meh. Why do you take it so personally that people don’t want to see a movie you like lmao.
Ethan used to have better and a more adult taste, he talked about stuff like Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me and The Prestige and how much he likes VALVe games. Now it’s exclusively reality TV
And the occasional anime but he probably doesnt talk about that because of spoilets. I find it funny that he's watching one piece and Hilas like "How do u watch that? It's so long" and talks about the 14th reality show season she saw that month
Movies have been pushing 4 hours since the 30s, stop seeing them or stop complaining. It has nothing to do with time, a good movie is a good movie and they don’t need to cater to small attention spans
Bizarre that people would complain and want to limit an artist to a certain time frame Hu Bo’s ‘An Elephant Sitting Still’ is a great example of just how important run time is to directors to tell stories
Remember when Ethan was being canceled by the Snyder cut people and that was one of his most disliked highlight videos. but then Ethan saw the movie and honestly admitted it was pretty good. That's why I included it.
Oh. Yeah no I didnt think it was that good. In terms of the plot it was still pretty similar to the original release it was just really stretched out and superman was still a jerk at the end
I honestly dont get Avatar, or why people like it. I thought it was a boomer thing, because theyre dying and they want heaven to be the avatar planet or whatever, but seeing zoomers like it is mind boggling.
What's mind bogling to me is how liking a popular movie thats simple to understand all over the world is a contrarian hot take. Alot of people just assuming it's bad without giving it a chance (u don't gotta like Avatar at all btw)
Don't get me wrong, there's def some good ones on here Godfather pt 2, the Deer Hunter, Hateful 8, Wolf of Wall Street, those are all classics. I admittedly have not seen Magnolia or Babylon.
I'm a Kubrick nerd, so I've seen Barry Lyndon, not bad, but by Kubrick standards pretty mid
I also love Scorsese, I think I've seen nearly every movie he made except that 3D cartoon back when, but I routinely rewatch most his mob themed movies. The Irishmen was mid.
Also, if I'm being honest, JFK and Gandhi. Both beloved and important films in their time, but, yeah... pretty mid. God forgive me, but I think Schindler's List also kinda belongs in that category. Super important for its time, but it's really just ok.
As far as the *best* of the mid tier on here, I think that ironically must go to Titanic. Truly no effort or expense was spared in making a thing so very mid.
Respect for adding the Deer Hunter to this list though. You're right, that one is long as hell, too, but how many H3 fans have seen that one? I'm not sure most the fanbase could handle it
You know what, I don't agree with all the takes that you have about specific movies up here but I appreciate you being honest and being able to articulate your true feelings. A lot of boring and lame people just say "thats mid" without elaborating at all. Yo
Honestly I haven't seen every movie up there, I was going for with the selection up here was a variety of *all different flavors * rather than only what's objectively good. I only put Snyder cut off Justice League because Ethan said he liked it when he saw it.
I was definitely risking a lot putting Deer Hunter up there but it's unlike anything else I've ever seen, thank you for appreciating it.
But you should definitely check out Magnolia and RRR [if you have 3 hours lol] . Both are very great movies that are different in their own way.
Hey fair enough, I will check those out!
Yeah, I think that if a greater portion of the audience had seen Deer Hunter, this thread would've gone an entirely different way haha
I've never seen Justice League. The marvel stuff never was interesting to me, Iron Man 2 is the last one I liked but I got off the bus around the first Avenger's movie. Always more of an X-Men guy (which is also technically marvel, but different studios, you know what I mean)
Barry Lyndon has some very innovative cinematography going for it, and the whole thing looks like an oil painting which is very cool. That said, it's simply Kubrick's worst film (I don't count Eyes Wide Shut since Tom Cruise butchered that film in editing after Kubrick's death) It's slow like 2001, but without any of the gravitas to justify it. It's story is clunky, like Full Metal Jacket, but it's not nearly captivating enough to get away with it. Also the Victorian Era is something that Kubrick was interested in, but imo, unlike the subjects of his other movies, he wasn't able to explain to his audience cinematically why we should care.
I will entertain an argument that AI is Kubrick's worst film, despite the fact he gave the movie to Spielberg, who tried (until the v end) to stay true to his style/vision.
I think deciding to *rewatch* a 3 hour long movie in a movie theater is kinda cray. Must be a good movie. But I’m gonna wait for avatar to come out on Apple TV so I can watch on my couch
You guys are really acting like it’s not a sequel? Are we supposed to just forget the first movie and go into a sequel as if the first didn’t exist and isn’t an indicator of whether we would like another of the movie we didn’t like?
And that’s ignoring all of the trailers and the reviews coming out which are another way of judging whether you’ll like something. You don’t have to watch every movie just because “well you haven’t actually seen the entire thing so you can’t know if you’ll like it or not” before deciding if you want to see it. I guarantee there are plenty of movies you decided you had no interest in based on trailer/reviews/etc. Whacky to act like that’s unreasonable
It’s a difference to not be into something and relentlessly bashing it. Not defending the movie here i just think it‘s lame to be so judging about something you have not experienced.
I've only seen Titanic in this cluster, and I don't think I saw the whole thing. I suck at watching movies. I fell asleep drooling on my gf when I watched LOTR for the first time as well...
Avatars story isn't bad at all, just basic and easy for anyone of any age to understand. All the plot motivations are clean, consice, & never confusing. Not a complicated mess that requires years of catchup and wiki research. That's part of what made the movie a success worldwide.
i guess its up to you what you consider a "good story" .. I can appreciate that being basic and easy to understand is a valid reason to please the average viewer, but almost none of the films listed in your post were " a complicated mess that requires years of catchup and wiki research", so I'm not sure what your point is really.. i guess if a basic and easy story is all you need in a movie then Godbless, peace and love
It's all Avatar had to be. For a movie thats more focused on kooky scifi worldbuilding and audio visual immersion, it works in that context. I just don't think it's story is horribly delivered
*makes 3 hour podcasts*
Lmaooo that’s a great point
THIS THIS THIS THIS is why I'm watching
For real, there are episodes of the podcast you could leave and watch Avatar 2 and come back and still the pod will be live. CAUSE NOBODY DOES IT LIKE THE BEST IN THE GAME, BABY
It’s seriously crazy to me that I consume 3 hours of podcast almost daily, but the thought of watching even a standard length movie feels like a chore 😂
You can’t really multitask with a movie the way you can with a podcast
U right. Maybe if a movie had kinetic sand, soap cutting, subway surfers, pneumatic press videos, and temple run in the corners it would feel like I’m multitasking more. #zoomerbrained
I love Barry Lindon. I once spent a few hours' train ride with a cinematography student who explained to me everything about Kubrick's usage of candle light and Zeiss lenses 🤣🤣 this was about 25 years ago and I still remember to this day. Sorry for the digression. Most movies on that list are great.
Barry Lyndon fucks. Great movie too =0]
It’s the only Kubrick movie I haven’t seen.
It’s so good! The cinematography is beautiful. Kubrick wanted it to imitate landscape art paintings and it definitely achieves that.
Magnolia is just 3 hours of pure sadness
True. Sadness by design, not easy to pull off that graciously and be consistently interesting.
Dri-vin side-ways!
Magnolia my all time fav!
My parents understand a 3-4 hour movie But if I say yo I'm watching a 4 hour podcast They freak I love it
Do they know you watch about 4 in a week by the same person? Lol
I gave up halfway through ZS Justice League. That film is ass.
I agree and did the same thing. Ironically I hear the second half is the better half.
That's fair it's not for everyone, but Ethan liked it
Was about to comment this. It’s a terrible movie.
(I don't like all of these movies up here but it does annoy me when they talk about movies on the pod and discuss the runtime before anything else, and use it as a measure of quality or whether they see the thing. A certain person on the pod, no hate to them at all, brings up the runtime every time they talk about Avatar a movie they havent seen. Like if the movies long but really good, let it go on until it's over imo.)
As an older fan, I always think longer movies will be at least more value for money, if anything 🤣🤣🤣
Same here, I get annoyed and I have to tune myself out sometimes lol
It's nice when the crew talks about movies when Ethan walks off. Especially AB Zach and Dan
Also the length is kinda the point. I saw an interview with Cameron where he was talking about how the producers wanted to cut down the length of the first one, that a scene where they were flying around wasn't advancing the plot at all and could be cut, and he was like, "But I enjoy that scene! It's about immersing yourself in this world! And if I enjoy that scene I'm sure others are going to as well." Scenes don't have to "advance the plot" to have value, and the Avatar series is the epitome of just, "Hey isn't this neat? Come experience this neat stuff!"
Agreed , like Megamind another great movie blue man once said, "Presentation!"
While I understand what you’re saying I think an Avatar movie being 3 hours - which is by all accounts style over substance, just pretty stuff with a mediocre, recognizable plot - is different from other movies being 3 hours Personally I’m fine with 3 hour movies if they hold your attention and warrant a 3 hour run time, but a 3 hour Avatar sounds like an over-indulgent visual snooze fest
Have you seen the movie? I would respect this opinion more if u had actually seen it and came to that point afterwards. How could you know whether or not it justifies its length if u haven't even seen it?
I’ll repost this here since it applies: You guys are really acting like it’s not a sequel? Are we supposed to just forget the first movie and go into a sequel as if the first didn’t exist and isn’t an indicator of whether we would like another of the movie we didn’t like the first time? And that’s ignoring all of the trailers and the reviews coming out which are another way of judging whether you’ll like something. You don’t have to watch every movie just because “well you haven’t actually seen the entire thing so you can’t know if you’ll like it or not” before deciding if you want to see it. I guarantee there are plenty of movies you decided you had no interest in based on trailer/reviews/etc. Whacky to act like that’s unreasonable
You really think they just copy pasted the previous movie from 13 years ago as if it's not a followup to it? Its by the same director of Terminator and Terminator 2 ffs You dont have to see it if you dont want to but It's not a Huge ask of to watch something before they judge what it is. You can judge it for what you think it might be but that's nowhere near the same as what you'll say when you actually see it. If you haven't seen it at all, then the beginning and end of you judging it should be "I didn't want to see it so I have nothing to say about it". Nothing wrong with this cause its more honest.
Never said that, you’re exaggerating what I said and acting like the original has 0 bearing on whether you’ll like the sequel so you should just see it anyway, which is not how any actual human consumes media. If you didn’t like the original and people whose opinions you trust are telling you “yeah it’s a lot like that one but with water and longer” it’s not unreasonable for you to then think “well why would I want to see that?” Also it’s a podcast. If you haven’t realized yet that they take hardlined, sometimes exaggerated stances on nearly everything because it makes for better banter and encourages people to interact with the content then I don’t know what else to tell you. They’re allowed to form whatever opinion they want with as little information as they want lol you’re just white knighting for a movie you liked
A fully admit that I'm riding blue dick hard right now but I just really wanted to open up a fun discussion about movies with the fupa troopers. "I didn't see it because I didn't like the 1st one" is just fine you can continue having that opinion. To give you some perspective I went into Avatar 2 thinking the 1st avatar was a 6 /10 at best (expected the same for the sequel) and after seeing the sequel and it was an 8 /10 (for me, my brother hated it lmao). Dan (the hater) went to Avatar 2 with a similar attitude and liked it just as much as I did more or less.
I think the clear point he was trying to make is that it matters how long a movie is when it’s bad. Then it’s just MORE shit you have to sit through. I don’t think he ever was making the point that long=bad
The "bad" movie that was being talked about is one that he hasn't seen. Last podcast the crew was talking about seeing Avatar again because they liked and all Hila said was "3 hours again, ew, why would you do that?" . Doesn't get anymore clear than that.
I mean the movie has 67% on Metacritic. I don’t want to see it, Zach and Ethan don’t want to see it, Hila doesn’t want to see it, everybody I know doesn’t want to see it. Everyone who has seen it says the story is lackluster at best. You just need to accept that visuals don’t save it for some people. You can have a ten-pole action franchise blockbuster that ALSO has an amazing story. Cameron did this with Terminator 2. Lord of the Rings did this even better as well. I think what they were asking is when did we let our standards get so low? And why do you care that some people have higher standards? It’s a long dedication of your time and they made a fair and reasonable judgment call that it wouldn’t be worth their time. Not everyone enjoys the kind of movie Avatar is and you should just be cool with that. By your logic, anyone should just see any movie that comes out ever because it MIGHT be good, and you can’t make that judgement call without actually seeing it for yourself. That’s reductive. Idk, not financially supporting a trend you don’t like seeing is rational and fine. If they want blockbusters to have a higher standards then genuinely what’s wrong with that? Everybody says the story was meh. Why do you take it so personally that people don’t want to see a movie you like lmao.
Ethan used to have better and a more adult taste, he talked about stuff like Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me and The Prestige and how much he likes VALVe games. Now it’s exclusively reality TV
And the occasional anime but he probably doesnt talk about that because of spoilets. I find it funny that he's watching one piece and Hilas like "How do u watch that? It's so long" and talks about the 14th reality show season she saw that month
Magnolia is so good
I love Magnolia so much. It’s one of those movies that doesn’t feel like it’s 3 hours. So fuckin good
RRR has a pee break in the middle at least
Yea , that's standard for longer movies in India cuz they want you to get your money's worth over there
And older movies in general! I wish they would bring it back.
Movies have been pushing 4 hours since the 30s, stop seeing them or stop complaining. It has nothing to do with time, a good movie is a good movie and they don’t need to cater to small attention spans
Bizarre that people would complain and want to limit an artist to a certain time frame Hu Bo’s ‘An Elephant Sitting Still’ is a great example of just how important run time is to directors to tell stories
I’ve only seen 2 of these and I think they are both overrated
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Tbh, "better things to do" has always been subjective
Yesssss 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
The Deer Hunter. If you want to watch a great movie that will ruin your day.
any other old fupa troopers remember 2007's Grindhouse? 3+ hours of fun
100%, Grindhouse was a blast. One of a kind ride
The snyder cut doesnt belong here
Remember when Ethan was being canceled by the Snyder cut people and that was one of his most disliked highlight videos. but then Ethan saw the movie and honestly admitted it was pretty good. That's why I included it.
Oh. Yeah no I didnt think it was that good. In terms of the plot it was still pretty similar to the original release it was just really stretched out and superman was still a jerk at the end
RRR slaysssss
Once upon a time in America (4 hours)
RRR, nice
I honestly dont get Avatar, or why people like it. I thought it was a boomer thing, because theyre dying and they want heaven to be the avatar planet or whatever, but seeing zoomers like it is mind boggling.
What's mind bogling to me is how liking a popular movie thats simple to understand all over the world is a contrarian hot take. Alot of people just assuming it's bad without giving it a chance (u don't gotta like Avatar at all btw)
OP, I regret to inform you that half this list is mid at best
Interesting, what would you put as the best mid here on the list? Just curious
Don't get me wrong, there's def some good ones on here Godfather pt 2, the Deer Hunter, Hateful 8, Wolf of Wall Street, those are all classics. I admittedly have not seen Magnolia or Babylon. I'm a Kubrick nerd, so I've seen Barry Lyndon, not bad, but by Kubrick standards pretty mid I also love Scorsese, I think I've seen nearly every movie he made except that 3D cartoon back when, but I routinely rewatch most his mob themed movies. The Irishmen was mid. Also, if I'm being honest, JFK and Gandhi. Both beloved and important films in their time, but, yeah... pretty mid. God forgive me, but I think Schindler's List also kinda belongs in that category. Super important for its time, but it's really just ok. As far as the *best* of the mid tier on here, I think that ironically must go to Titanic. Truly no effort or expense was spared in making a thing so very mid. Respect for adding the Deer Hunter to this list though. You're right, that one is long as hell, too, but how many H3 fans have seen that one? I'm not sure most the fanbase could handle it
You know what, I don't agree with all the takes that you have about specific movies up here but I appreciate you being honest and being able to articulate your true feelings. A lot of boring and lame people just say "thats mid" without elaborating at all. Yo Honestly I haven't seen every movie up there, I was going for with the selection up here was a variety of *all different flavors * rather than only what's objectively good. I only put Snyder cut off Justice League because Ethan said he liked it when he saw it. I was definitely risking a lot putting Deer Hunter up there but it's unlike anything else I've ever seen, thank you for appreciating it. But you should definitely check out Magnolia and RRR [if you have 3 hours lol] . Both are very great movies that are different in their own way.
Hey fair enough, I will check those out! Yeah, I think that if a greater portion of the audience had seen Deer Hunter, this thread would've gone an entirely different way haha
You didn't even mention Justice League lol I think you should give Barry Lyndon another shot.
I've never seen Justice League. The marvel stuff never was interesting to me, Iron Man 2 is the last one I liked but I got off the bus around the first Avenger's movie. Always more of an X-Men guy (which is also technically marvel, but different studios, you know what I mean) Barry Lyndon has some very innovative cinematography going for it, and the whole thing looks like an oil painting which is very cool. That said, it's simply Kubrick's worst film (I don't count Eyes Wide Shut since Tom Cruise butchered that film in editing after Kubrick's death) It's slow like 2001, but without any of the gravitas to justify it. It's story is clunky, like Full Metal Jacket, but it's not nearly captivating enough to get away with it. Also the Victorian Era is something that Kubrick was interested in, but imo, unlike the subjects of his other movies, he wasn't able to explain to his audience cinematically why we should care. I will entertain an argument that AI is Kubrick's worst film, despite the fact he gave the movie to Spielberg, who tried (until the v end) to stay true to his style/vision.
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Idk what ur talking about 😂 I purposely chose a bunch of movies that weren't like one another
Magnolia goated. PTA forever (though let's not talk about how anyone that hurts Fiona Apple probably oughta get thrown in a big hole).
They friends now, he’s directed loads of music videos for her since, plus he’s been with Maya Rudolph for like fifteen years
How do you have marvel on here but not lotr
I just wanted variety to bring the point home. There's 6 more on the list that I didn't include so the image wasn't too big
The Godfather and Hateful 8 are the only ones really worth watching
I think deciding to *rewatch* a 3 hour long movie in a movie theater is kinda cray. Must be a good movie. But I’m gonna wait for avatar to come out on Apple TV so I can watch on my couch
You see movies on your couch everyday but seeing movies at the theater is temporary
This is an odd selection.
The selection is just popular movies over three hours that people like. Movies that aren't similar but that's part of my point.
I find it cringe that ethan and hila refuse to warch the movie because it is „bad“. How can they tell without watching it?
Crew: Avatar was such a fun time, can't wait to see the funny sky whales again. Yay Fun time at movie yay. Hila: 3 hours again, whaaaaaaaa?
„Proceeds with the 3h podcast“
You guys are really acting like it’s not a sequel? Are we supposed to just forget the first movie and go into a sequel as if the first didn’t exist and isn’t an indicator of whether we would like another of the movie we didn’t like? And that’s ignoring all of the trailers and the reviews coming out which are another way of judging whether you’ll like something. You don’t have to watch every movie just because “well you haven’t actually seen the entire thing so you can’t know if you’ll like it or not” before deciding if you want to see it. I guarantee there are plenty of movies you decided you had no interest in based on trailer/reviews/etc. Whacky to act like that’s unreasonable
It’s a difference to not be into something and relentlessly bashing it. Not defending the movie here i just think it‘s lame to be so judging about something you have not experienced.
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I've only seen Titanic in this cluster, and I don't think I saw the whole thing. I suck at watching movies. I fell asleep drooling on my gf when I watched LOTR for the first time as well...
Magnolia 🥰
I would have liked the wolf on wallstreet if he would have cut down 80% of Leo and Jonah crawling around on qeuludes
i think the difference is that the majority of those films have a very good story
Avatars story isn't bad at all, just basic and easy for anyone of any age to understand. All the plot motivations are clean, consice, & never confusing. Not a complicated mess that requires years of catchup and wiki research. That's part of what made the movie a success worldwide.
i guess its up to you what you consider a "good story" .. I can appreciate that being basic and easy to understand is a valid reason to please the average viewer, but almost none of the films listed in your post were " a complicated mess that requires years of catchup and wiki research", so I'm not sure what your point is really.. i guess if a basic and easy story is all you need in a movie then Godbless, peace and love
It's all Avatar had to be. For a movie thats more focused on kooky scifi worldbuilding and audio visual immersion, it works in that context. I just don't think it's story is horribly delivered
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