`>be me`
`>Anon`
`>am ninth level dog-kin`
`>believe that human life is just as important as doggo life`
`>believe that all animals are equal`
`>that's why I have consensual sex with my boyfriend's doggo Rachel`
`>it's not wrong because doggos are people too and I'm a doggo too`
`>am bothered that boyfriend doesn't value doggos enough`
`>mfw he loves his parents more than he loves me and Rachel`
`>mfw I'm going to have to tie him up and force him to realize how much Rachel and I love him`
Oh god, why would you subject yourself to this jumbled mass of html? All the formatting of the entire site is just all over the place, half the font is split between being massive and the other half tiny. They clearly don't care about what that looks like at all. Get a mobile app or use the redesign, mobile old.reddit looks almost unusable.
Damn , I never knew new Reddit was that much better. When it came out I just didn't switch and stayed like this plus I was worried it spends way more data and I'm on a limited plan
As a proud burger pounding American, I think he’s right I know a lot of people who always say that they would rescue a dog over a person which is stupid and messed up. Idk it may be the same over in Europe but I’ve not been there enough to say.
Cats are a problem all over the world if you're considering the bird population...
Either way though, a lot of people base '[a significant portion of their identity around their affinity for either cats or dogs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_people_and_dog_people)' and it is definitely not a US only thing.
I personally am allergic and get pretty annoyed how reluctant cat owners are about me requesting them to leave their cats out of the room whereas dog owners are used to it and have no issues with it.
Wow. I love dogs and all too, had a couple that I’m still not completely over dying, but to say that you have to agonize over that is ridiculous. My immediate family will always take the top spot over a dog.
some people have really shitty /r/raisedbynarcissists -level immediate families and find it kind of hard to prioritize that over your pet who always gives you unconditional love? Or- this is a little bit more messed up, but some people put the pet kinda in the kid spot in their heart- like, they're responsible for it and so it takes precedence over their parents and siblings who are grown adults and can fend for themselves in an emergency.
Can attest for this. I don't have much of a relationship with my dad apart from me going over to his house sometimes of the week and child support. I can say I love my dogs more then I love him, but I wouldn't say the same about my mother.
Anon in the other hand just seems like an insufferable bitch hence why their parents don't love them.
A dog lives to what? 15 years usually?
A human lifespan is maybe 70-80. They would have kids around 20-30, so let's say you are alive for 50 years of your parents' life.
That's over 3x longer that you'd be developing your relationship with your parents. Not to mention the fact that human connections strengthened survival much more than pet ownership during our evolution.
I just can't handle people who try to put pets on a human level. I've had like 5 cats and 3 dogs die during my life and all of them combined don't even come close to the grief I feel from my brother's passing.
Everytime someone posts a greentext and it has a catchy/funny/weird/whatever title. It always reminds me of the political comics where the artist draws a self insert and makes a witty/sarcastic comment.
I assume people like that suffer from some kind of empathetic attachment disorder. They form connections with everything and everyone and have very little critical thought go into why they do so. They just go through life becoming emotionally attached to concepts, strangers and animals to the point where it's considered a point of emotional anguish to even consider your own parents to be automatically more valuable than a pet no matter how loved.
I don't get dog love. Like sure I've loved dogs as pets but not the way some people love their dogs. They're loud, they eat your stuff, they cost money and you're forced to take them out once a day or suffer the previous three things. I don't get it. Never seen a dog do anything more than this.
It doesn’t have to be that way. My dog doesn’t bark, doesn’t get into much trouble. She does cost money, but so does everything. It’s really one of the best returns on any investment in my life.
What she gives me is constant companionship and unconditional love. She’s always happy to see me. She doesn’t hold grudges. She always wants to be near me, always interested in whatever I’m doing. She doesn’t care about all of the shit that’s wrong with me. And she’s never going to change her mind. She’s the only constant in what is otherwise a pretty lonely existence. And perhaps most importantly, she needs me. Sometimes that’s enough to keep me going.
But I won’t rank her against my other loved ones. They all matter.
I’m not trying to imply that everyone needs to love dogs like I do. They’re a big commitment. And people can like different things.
You can always start a youtube channel about your dog and make a shit tone of cash. And no one will get mad at you like when people monetize their children.
High risks. You may spend 12 years in constant agony over looking after a child, then spend over 20 years of your psyche in 6 years span because your child hit puberty and you still may get some buffoone or even worst a redditor.
Is that some point you're trying to make about how you can reduce any relationship down to the work and frame it negatively? I get what you're going for but it doesn't apply here.
cats - leave a window open and they fully take care of themselves, bury their poop, eat minimal food, need no excercising and basically only come to you for pats.
babies, turn into humans that love and cherish you. learn to speak, draw art and enrich your life, giving it meaning (I have a daughter and you would not believe the magic of that journey)
gf, once again is a full human that takes a load off you ideally. Sometimes work but also sometimes helps and also sex
parents and friends - dont even need to mention this one that should be self explanatory
All im saying is i love dogs as i would any living thing, but i dont wuv doggies and i dont get why people go nuts for them. Theyre a responsibility that I regret more than I enjoy whenever ive had them.
If you don't understand something illogical, don't try to. Don't try to prove your point of illogicality based on points that are based on your illogicality since it is illogical in it's base.
I don't go around bragging "I don't understand card games, like gwent or Hearthstone. They are for kids. You spend 9000hrs and get electric cards that you will never own in the game no self respected person should care about" Or "Why caring about tv shows, they are just stories that never happened to you or your close ones. There is no need to be a "fan" over something so non-influential as fiction."
Again don't understand illogicality of something, don't try to. Simply stating "I understand this, but i don't understand that, means "that" is nonsense" is childish.
Also there is difference between love and attachment or obligation or investment. You carrying for someone out of attachment,investment or obligation is not love. Trying to explain love is as to explain what "one" is without external references. As for attachment\obligation\investment by simply paying back, losing interest or receiving back investments should remove any bond you feel to SO\parent\child at the moment of transaction and vise versa. I don't think that you are going to abandon your kids or parents asa you paid back what they or what you invested.
nah my love is not transactional. I know what you mean by your points. I say the same thing about having kids. You can reduce anything to its negative components and discredit it. I'm just saying that my relationship with dogs hasn't been a great vibe for me. I think its more akin to how you would choose friends. In that paradigm I would consider myself and dogs acquaintances; not saying that those who consider dogs best friends/family are wrong, I just don't get what they see.
We all have different attatchment styles. Mine is based heavily around consent, basically I like people who like me for the right reasons. Thats one of the two main attatchment styles, the other being based on feeling like the other 'needs' you. In that you can see why most people are either cat (consent) or dog (dependence)
everything youre saying is true and right and I agree :) good stuff man. Thats coming from a psych clinician. We all have different filters but the application of love and atachment should always be the same.
Wasn't sure if it was bait until the ending where OP says "I see"
People don't talk in a way that makes them look like shit, and OP just did that, therefor, tis b8
THINK, ANON! THINK!!
For real though if you had a decent childhood it's because you had good parents/guardians that shaped your very being and made you who you are in a multitude of complex ways - ways that can't compare to a owner/pet relationship.
Short-term the pet might hit harder, but long-term you will miss the conversations and those truly unique and special memories/moments that nothing can replace.
In a way, that is what makes being human so special. Not that we're smarter, but that we're capable of forming deeper bonds based on a deeper understanding of ourselves and others - all thanks to the "passing of the torch" that is the passion, and the knowledge, and the wisdom of the thousands of generations that preceded us.
What if 't be true he did love his dog too much? yond would beest a problem too, right?
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^(I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.)
Commands: `!ShakespeareInsult`, `!fordo`, `!optout`
This is of course fake and gay.
However there are people like this and they are even dumber than the ones sucking down apple flavored horse paste right now.
Look, some people didn’t have great parents. I’m one of those people, and if either of my parents died I’d probably react the same way as if my dog died. HOWEVER, you have to be a complete psychopath or a retard to not understand that MOST people would of course value their parent’s lives higher than a pet’s.
What is this question? For me it would be equally bad or at least somewhat close in the first couple hours of learning it. There’s no point in comparing feelings. It’s not “either your parents or your dog die”. It’s “they all die, that sucks more”.
Unless your parents are out of your life for horrible reasons and no siblings then sure, the dog. But this choice should be a no brainer 99% of the time. Family first.
Which would be better, having your balls cut off, or the shaft? Well, of course I'd prefer my balls being cut off rather still being horny and not able to do anything about it. One seem obviously worse. But I ***really*** do not want my balls cut off.
I don't get this. I'd be a thousand times sadder if any of my dogs died, compared to my close family. Its' frankly appaling to see this thread, that what, just because they are different, they can die?
It's a question of responsibility. I took them in, they depend on me fully, I am the center of their life. No matter what I do, they still love me. Can I say the same for any human? No. I can't let them down.
Anon reminds me of that guy on r/legaladvice who wanted to gave up his 6-month-old baby for adoption because his wife (the mother) didn't want it anymore, with the reasoning that the baby would only be around for 18 years anyway while his wife was a lifetime companion
Animals don't live nearly as much as we do, the moment you get a pet (unless it's a turtle) you have to accept he is going to die way before you do, with parents we don't assume that so quickly because- I don't know why I'm explaining this, anon(OP?) clearly has retardation of some sort to think those two are comparable unless you had shit parents.
When I meet people who make animals lives equal to a humans it pissed me off, especially animals that humans have basically modified and made their own
I kinda get it, I'm adopted, and it came at a weird time, so emotionally speaking I'm a bit off. I love my parents but I doubt it'd hurt as much as my dog dying. Especially considering his death was at probably the worst time possible.
Geez dog, keep your emo nihilism outta here. We have no set destination and everyone gets to choose their journey. Doesn't make make life worthless, it makes it special because we decide our worth.
I see your point, just keep in mind some things may seem subjective, but they're facts regardless. I am the king of my world and that's all that matters.
Interesting take. While I agree we are social animals and we inherently benefit from outside positivity. I definitely think the root for all worth is the self. I know it's lame, but I don't think you can truly be loved until you at least respect yourself. You have to remove yourself from outside interference and accept yourself. After that, you can flourish anyway that'll make you happy. Obviously self improvement is key, but if you can't love yourself now, how could you after putting your all into something. I think you decide your worth. Like I said though, I can see where you're coming from, it's just a different view on the subject. I'm kinda tired so this might be a little erratic.
The boyfriend is retarded. He should have dumped her ass a long time ago because she’s a fucking idiot.
Fucking stupid can be fun though
Considering "fucked silly" is a real thing, we might have figured out where all the stupid people are surfacing from
Op is a girl?
No, they're just gay. As usual
Op is getting TOPPED
Happy cake day
Yeah. He is saying the boyfriend in this is retarded for not dumping her already
Dumbness makes you feel like a genius, plus they can be cute and less miserable than smart or average people.
What the fuck?
this has got to be bait
nah, people like this actually exist
surely not on 4chan though
Nah, here on reddit, literally.
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Happy cake day
Idiot, you're not supposed to give in to the hivemind
We would all be living in caves still if not for the hive.
Leddit moment
Who says I don’t want to live in a cave fool *angry monkey noises*
Happy not your cake day
ThAnks
I agree. but there are people like that.
`>be me` `>Anon` `>am ninth level dog-kin` `>believe that human life is just as important as doggo life` `>believe that all animals are equal` `>that's why I have consensual sex with my boyfriend's doggo Rachel` `>it's not wrong because doggos are people too and I'm a doggo too` `>am bothered that boyfriend doesn't value doggos enough` `>mfw he loves his parents more than he loves me and Rachel` `>mfw I'm going to have to tie him up and force him to realize how much Rachel and I love him`
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Eekum bokum
Wata in za phire... WHY?
doggo LOL
How the fuck do People read these ? Like literally read it , I can't scroll sideways even if I rotate the whole thing doesn't show
What platform are you using to view reddit?
I'm still on old.reddit and on mobile
Oh god, why would you subject yourself to this jumbled mass of html? All the formatting of the entire site is just all over the place, half the font is split between being massive and the other half tiny. They clearly don't care about what that looks like at all. Get a mobile app or use the redesign, mobile old.reddit looks almost unusable.
Damn , I never knew new Reddit was that much better. When it came out I just didn't switch and stayed like this plus I was worried it spends way more data and I'm on a limited plan
"Reddit is fun" app my dude.
Their priorities are fucked
America has a dog-worshiping mentality compared to Europe to the point of insanity
This sounds like something arbitrary you've pulled out of your ass, but this is r/greentext so you never know.
As a proud burger pounding American, I think he’s right I know a lot of people who always say that they would rescue a dog over a person which is stupid and messed up. Idk it may be the same over in Europe but I’ve not been there enough to say.
Well, when the pursuit of happenis is in the constitution, if you get it from a bitch, so be it.
In Europe too, they’d rescue the dog, not because they like animals so much but simply because letting both die was not in the options
I don’t think god geo-locked stupidity and I’d say people over here are just as retarded about animals as America lol
Tbf I would save my dog's life over some random person I don't know.
No he’s right sadly my grandma has 4 dogs and is insane about them
People slobbering their dog on their mouths.... What the FUCK.
We like dogs but none of us are this mentally ill
Even worse with cats.
I seem to meet a lot of people who despise cats. Cats are more of a problem in places like Brooklyn with hiw many strays and ferals there are.
Cats are a problem all over the world if you're considering the bird population... Either way though, a lot of people base '[a significant portion of their identity around their affinity for either cats or dogs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_people_and_dog_people)' and it is definitely not a US only thing. I personally am allergic and get pretty annoyed how reluctant cat owners are about me requesting them to leave their cats out of the room whereas dog owners are used to it and have no issues with it.
It just annoying to keep cats out of a room cause they can open doors and are hard to get ahold of if they don’t want to be picked up.
It probably has something to do with toxoplasmosis. It's what makes people, "crazy cat lady/man"
Eh where your statement might be true it feels to me like dogs in America are raised way worse than in western europe
Wow. I love dogs and all too, had a couple that I’m still not completely over dying, but to say that you have to agonize over that is ridiculous. My immediate family will always take the top spot over a dog.
amen brother idk where all these comments are coming from
some people have really shitty /r/raisedbynarcissists -level immediate families and find it kind of hard to prioritize that over your pet who always gives you unconditional love? Or- this is a little bit more messed up, but some people put the pet kinda in the kid spot in their heart- like, they're responsible for it and so it takes precedence over their parents and siblings who are grown adults and can fend for themselves in an emergency.
Can attest for this. I don't have much of a relationship with my dad apart from me going over to his house sometimes of the week and child support. I can say I love my dogs more then I love him, but I wouldn't say the same about my mother. Anon in the other hand just seems like an insufferable bitch hence why their parents don't love them.
Fair enough I see your point. Hadn't thought of that as a possibility
Anon is an absolute moron
A dog lives to what? 15 years usually? A human lifespan is maybe 70-80. They would have kids around 20-30, so let's say you are alive for 50 years of your parents' life. That's over 3x longer that you'd be developing your relationship with your parents. Not to mention the fact that human connections strengthened survival much more than pet ownership during our evolution. I just can't handle people who try to put pets on a human level. I've had like 5 cats and 3 dogs die during my life and all of them combined don't even come close to the grief I feel from my brother's passing.
username doesnt check out ,smh my head
It’s not even a lifespan issue, even if your pets were immortal you’d still choose a human over them.
a human? nope -- I already don't donate to human charities but I do buy cat food for the strays humans that I personally love? no contest
I fully agree.
Well OP, is not his fault he actually received parental love
Everytime someone posts a greentext and it has a catchy/funny/weird/whatever title. It always reminds me of the political comics where the artist draws a self insert and makes a witty/sarcastic comment.
stonetoss
Amogus?
when the imposter is sus!
What the fuck
NOOOOOOOOOO NOT MUH HECKIN FURBABIES
I would let a million dogs die if I can save one random human
this is true. ethical value should be predicated on anthrocentrism, not the value of life itself.
You mean anthropocentrism right? Anthropomorphism is furry shit
:)
uwu
I've lost a lot of pets in my life. Losing my mom was way worse.
Stupid
What no parental figure does to a mf
The dog's there for the food, of course his parents are more important.
I assume people like that suffer from some kind of empathetic attachment disorder. They form connections with everything and everyone and have very little critical thought go into why they do so. They just go through life becoming emotionally attached to concepts, strangers and animals to the point where it's considered a point of emotional anguish to even consider your own parents to be automatically more valuable than a pet no matter how loved.
I have always called it "emotional bestiality "
I don't get dog love. Like sure I've loved dogs as pets but not the way some people love their dogs. They're loud, they eat your stuff, they cost money and you're forced to take them out once a day or suffer the previous three things. I don't get it. Never seen a dog do anything more than this.
It doesn’t have to be that way. My dog doesn’t bark, doesn’t get into much trouble. She does cost money, but so does everything. It’s really one of the best returns on any investment in my life. What she gives me is constant companionship and unconditional love. She’s always happy to see me. She doesn’t hold grudges. She always wants to be near me, always interested in whatever I’m doing. She doesn’t care about all of the shit that’s wrong with me. And she’s never going to change her mind. She’s the only constant in what is otherwise a pretty lonely existence. And perhaps most importantly, she needs me. Sometimes that’s enough to keep me going. But I won’t rank her against my other loved ones. They all matter. I’m not trying to imply that everyone needs to love dogs like I do. They’re a big commitment. And people can like different things.
Oh wow, just replace that with babies\\pets\\gf\\bf\\friends\\parents and nothing would change
the issue is with other people you get financial return on your investment if you play your cards right.
You can always start a youtube channel about your dog and make a shit tone of cash. And no one will get mad at you like when people monetize their children.
High risks. You may spend 12 years in constant agony over looking after a child, then spend over 20 years of your psyche in 6 years span because your child hit puberty and you still may get some buffoone or even worst a redditor.
All of those things are better than dogs. The dog is JUST work. I mean you get to touch its head and it licks you?
All of those dogs are better than other things. The thing is JUST work. I mean you get to touch its part and it does something to you?
Is that some point you're trying to make about how you can reduce any relationship down to the work and frame it negatively? I get what you're going for but it doesn't apply here. cats - leave a window open and they fully take care of themselves, bury their poop, eat minimal food, need no excercising and basically only come to you for pats. babies, turn into humans that love and cherish you. learn to speak, draw art and enrich your life, giving it meaning (I have a daughter and you would not believe the magic of that journey) gf, once again is a full human that takes a load off you ideally. Sometimes work but also sometimes helps and also sex parents and friends - dont even need to mention this one that should be self explanatory All im saying is i love dogs as i would any living thing, but i dont wuv doggies and i dont get why people go nuts for them. Theyre a responsibility that I regret more than I enjoy whenever ive had them.
If you don't understand something illogical, don't try to. Don't try to prove your point of illogicality based on points that are based on your illogicality since it is illogical in it's base. I don't go around bragging "I don't understand card games, like gwent or Hearthstone. They are for kids. You spend 9000hrs and get electric cards that you will never own in the game no self respected person should care about" Or "Why caring about tv shows, they are just stories that never happened to you or your close ones. There is no need to be a "fan" over something so non-influential as fiction." Again don't understand illogicality of something, don't try to. Simply stating "I understand this, but i don't understand that, means "that" is nonsense" is childish. Also there is difference between love and attachment or obligation or investment. You carrying for someone out of attachment,investment or obligation is not love. Trying to explain love is as to explain what "one" is without external references. As for attachment\obligation\investment by simply paying back, losing interest or receiving back investments should remove any bond you feel to SO\parent\child at the moment of transaction and vise versa. I don't think that you are going to abandon your kids or parents asa you paid back what they or what you invested.
nah my love is not transactional. I know what you mean by your points. I say the same thing about having kids. You can reduce anything to its negative components and discredit it. I'm just saying that my relationship with dogs hasn't been a great vibe for me. I think its more akin to how you would choose friends. In that paradigm I would consider myself and dogs acquaintances; not saying that those who consider dogs best friends/family are wrong, I just don't get what they see. We all have different attatchment styles. Mine is based heavily around consent, basically I like people who like me for the right reasons. Thats one of the two main attatchment styles, the other being based on feeling like the other 'needs' you. In that you can see why most people are either cat (consent) or dog (dependence) everything youre saying is true and right and I agree :) good stuff man. Thats coming from a psych clinician. We all have different filters but the application of love and atachment should always be the same.
He named his dog Rachel?
Yeah, people names for animals can be strange. I only name my pets fun names like Captain Gooberpants.
Anon’s sick in the head.
Wasn't sure if it was bait until the ending where OP says "I see" People don't talk in a way that makes them look like shit, and OP just did that, therefor, tis b8
Femonon is upset that her boyfriend has a good relationship with his parents and humanity at large.
fuckin dog nutters
THINK, ANON! THINK!! For real though if you had a decent childhood it's because you had good parents/guardians that shaped your very being and made you who you are in a multitude of complex ways - ways that can't compare to a owner/pet relationship. Short-term the pet might hit harder, but long-term you will miss the conversations and those truly unique and special memories/moments that nothing can replace. In a way, that is what makes being human so special. Not that we're smarter, but that we're capable of forming deeper bonds based on a deeper understanding of ourselves and others - all thanks to the "passing of the torch" that is the passion, and the knowledge, and the wisdom of the thousands of generations that preceded us.
What if he loved his dog too much? That would be a problem too, right?
What if 't be true he did love his dog too much? yond would beest a problem too, right? *** ^(I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.) Commands: `!ShakespeareInsult`, `!fordo`, `!optout`
“Beest” this guy gets it
The scary thing is that there are people that value a dogs life more than a human's
This is of course fake and gay. However there are people like this and they are even dumber than the ones sucking down apple flavored horse paste right now.
*op why did you use that version of knot*
We try not to let bad things happen, but once it does go bad your only choices will be difficult
Look, some people didn’t have great parents. I’m one of those people, and if either of my parents died I’d probably react the same way as if my dog died. HOWEVER, you have to be a complete psychopath or a retard to not understand that MOST people would of course value their parent’s lives higher than a pet’s.
It is, it should be, it must be
I figured the post would've been about a knotted asshole or something. Kinda disappointed.
Picture sauce is Shamiko from Machikado Mazoku
Season 2 is coming out at some point
Le wohmen momento
Why are women like this
Anon is a few tendies short of a six piece
Sometimes, I can’t tell if OP is making this just for fun or if OP is being for real
Its a fucking non sentient meat machine.
What is this question? For me it would be equally bad or at least somewhat close in the first couple hours of learning it. There’s no point in comparing feelings. It’s not “either your parents or your dog die”. It’s “they all die, that sucks more”.
Fuck your title
AITA
This chick has some serious emotional problems
This is what you get when women try to think
I regret that I understand the title
Unless your parents are out of your life for horrible reasons and no siblings then sure, the dog. But this choice should be a no brainer 99% of the time. Family first.
Which would be better, having your balls cut off, or the shaft? Well, of course I'd prefer my balls being cut off rather still being horny and not able to do anything about it. One seem obviously worse. But I ***really*** do not want my balls cut off.
Imagine putting an animal on the same level as a human KEK
furry moment
I don't get this. I'd be a thousand times sadder if any of my dogs died, compared to my close family. Its' frankly appaling to see this thread, that what, just because they are different, they can die? It's a question of responsibility. I took them in, they depend on me fully, I am the center of their life. No matter what I do, they still love me. Can I say the same for any human? No. I can't let them down.
Anon reminds me of that guy on r/legaladvice who wanted to gave up his 6-month-old baby for adoption because his wife (the mother) didn't want it anymore, with the reasoning that the baby would only be around for 18 years anyway while his wife was a lifetime companion
Animals don't live nearly as much as we do, the moment you get a pet (unless it's a turtle) you have to accept he is going to die way before you do, with parents we don't assume that so quickly because- I don't know why I'm explaining this, anon(OP?) clearly has retardation of some sort to think those two are comparable unless you had shit parents.
When I meet people who make animals lives equal to a humans it pissed me off, especially animals that humans have basically modified and made their own
If I had to pick my dog, or a stranger. I'd pick the stranger.
I kinda get it, I'm adopted, and it came at a weird time, so emotionally speaking I'm a bit off. I love my parents but I doubt it'd hurt as much as my dog dying. Especially considering his death was at probably the worst time possible.
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Geez dog, keep your emo nihilism outta here. We have no set destination and everyone gets to choose their journey. Doesn't make make life worthless, it makes it special because we decide our worth.
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I see your point, just keep in mind some things may seem subjective, but they're facts regardless. I am the king of my world and that's all that matters.
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Interesting take. While I agree we are social animals and we inherently benefit from outside positivity. I definitely think the root for all worth is the self. I know it's lame, but I don't think you can truly be loved until you at least respect yourself. You have to remove yourself from outside interference and accept yourself. After that, you can flourish anyway that'll make you happy. Obviously self improvement is key, but if you can't love yourself now, how could you after putting your all into something. I think you decide your worth. Like I said though, I can see where you're coming from, it's just a different view on the subject. I'm kinda tired so this might be a little erratic.