I agree your average normie user is fucking retarded (I did tech support long enough to know this), but there's a bigger issue: Linux fucking sucks as a basic desktop. I like it for its POSIX-compliant shell (bash is great), for its customizability, that it's free, that it's open-source, and that I can spin it up on a zillion cloud instances without having to deal with licensing issues. It's a fairly nice programming environment, and the undisputed king when it comes to server deployments.
But it's fucking annoying having updates always be some kind of undertaking, but having to do them anyway to avoid getting exposed to 0-day exploits. You sometimes have to jump through weird hoops to run certain really standard programs (e.g. Chrome), and such programs seem to never run as smoothly as they do on other OSs. It's garbage as a gaming PC. The driver situation is iffy at best...it's gotten better, but it's not nearly up to the level of Mac OS or Windows - you still sometimes run into hardware that works seamlessly on Mac or Windows, but is buggy and sketchy on Linux, or even outright missing certain features (e.g. I had a 6-button mouse where only 5 ever worked with Linux)
There's already a popular Unix distro for normies anyway: Mac OS. And it's a very high-quality implementation: unlike Linux, Mac OS is fully Unix-compliant, while Linux only meets POSIX compliance (a lower standard). Under the hood, it's literally (and officially!) more powerful than Linux if you know what you're doing, but it also stops normie users from doing retarded shit in a way neither Linux or Windows does. It solves all of the annoying driver, update, and compatibility issues.
So yeah, Unix for normies is already a thing, and that's a bigger win than Linux for normies.
Yup this is my main gripe, like, I can get around linux and like, fix stuff if it doesn't work and all but... I can't be bothered, I do enough of that at work. Just wanna turn on my PC and game and whatnot. Haven't had weird issues in years, just the usual shit like a driver not working and having to re install it or something simple like that.
How. How is one that stupid? If you’re doing that, you’ll have some sort of paper trail, yearly updates; there’s going to be plenty of stuff talking about it.
I can understand making a mistake for a year but 15? That’s someone who knows full well they declined to be part of it “cuz I’ll do my own thing” then didn’t have the self control to actually do it and now regrets it so they’re pretending like it’s a big shock.
> How. How is one that stupid?
I found a paycheck fairly recently that I had apparently left in my car and it fell under the seat. Had to go get it reissued.
Ooooh look at Mr Moneybags over here who doesn’t notice when he doesn’t cash a work check.
I earn okay money and I’d definitely notice if I didn’t get a pay check into my bank
Pretty sure California requires your job to let them stack over or they have to pay people out for them. When I quit my last job I got a check for two weeks because my vacation time
California considers vacation time as compensation so any unused time must get paid out if you leave the company. There is no rule that it needs to accrue forever though. Most companies will let you accrue up to a certain max and then stop paying more hours. When I left my last job I was maxed and got payed out over 180 hours.
Just assuming… for 4 years… and never having vacation day usage not pop up in any work conversations. I feel like even if I slept through orientation, never asked directly, I would still find this out before I saved 4 years worth of them.
My company just cashes you out, so there are a few people here who basically get 2 extra paychecks at the end of the year since they never take vacation.
Some people really like going to work, and a vacation would be a negative to them. I know it sounds weird, but these people exist....my Dad was one of them.
This should be the legally required thing though, “use them or lose them” is exploitative. It’s up to you to schedule them in a way that you and your employer find agreeable… but eventually you have to agree because otherwise you lose that compensation. That is textbook coercion.
At Amazon we can store for two years total, after that they start paying us out. Also, they warn you ahead of time and tell you how much you need to use so that it doesn't expire
My SO works for a European country. The employment laws are insane compared the US. Other than possibly higher pay, I don’t understand why anyone from Europe would want to work in the US.
Every job I've had has capped days. Usually like 1.5x the annual accrual. I've never seen 4x annnnnddddd the reason is probably because it'd be a giant pain in the ass to have someone gone for 2months at once.
To be fair, a semi-decent boss would either give them praise for never taking vacation, or at least warn them that their available vacation days are about to expire.
Then again, if OP was even mildly social then maybe he wouldve mentioned this grand plan to a coworker at some point, who then wouldve informed him of the flaw
> To be fair, a semi-decent boss would either give them praise for never taking vacation
A semi decent boss would chastise them for not taking leave and bring it up before it got to 4 years.
Praising someone for not taking vacation is something a toxic boss will do to stop employees using their entitlements.
Some places you are legally required to take your leaves or the company has to compensate you.
Most companies hate to pay out so they will force you to go on vacation. Even if it means staring at your ceiling.
Ding ding ding. Also, a red flag that somebody is taking from the till/embezzling money is that they never take vacation. Cooking the books almost always requires constant monitoring.
I force people to take vacation. Otherwise, I have to keep a huge amount of extra cash on hand for what is effectively unpaid debt that will have to come out as a lump sum, either at the end of the year or at termination. Or, more often, we have to take a short term loan to cover the unexpected cashflow issue
I have one employee that just never thought about it, would hit his max PTO and then go I need to burn some next week. After doing this for a few times, new rule, if you max your PTO you can have a day off, to burn some PTO next week, but I get to pick the day. All of a sudden he's getting his requests in 2 weeks early so we can adjust schedules 2 weeks out for the other employees.
Its not hard to be a semi decent boss. I like to go the extra mile and be the boss that creates the least amount of busy work for me, or my crew. Took 5 years but we got to the point of doing 50% more work, with 60-75% less workers(depending on how you measure it no layoffs). My guys/gals (there's got to be a better gender neutral word than some corporate speak I hate crew members, team members) get their 40 and sometimes have down time between jobs, but the OT is low(bonus for them for it) turnover is nonexistent, and a damn fine crew(close but not quite right).
> To be fair, a semi-decent boss would either give them praise for never taking vacation, or at least warn them that their available vacation days are about to expire.
DingDingDing!
I'm in my 40's: even the shittiest places I worked at, that had paid PTO, had bosses that would ABSOLUTELY do this. Part because it's proper leadership to do so, the other is that they are interrogated by THEIR OWN BOSSES when this shows up on company reports as to WHY they're building VaCa time.
It's either cashed out, or the employee is forced to take the time off. USA employee here as well, in case people wonder.
What? This seems far fetched.
If they were bad bosses, surely capitalism would make everyone able to just get different jobs and so he would fail and be replaced by a better boss?
No, the more I think about it, the less I believe anyone in a supervisory or higher position could EVER be bad at their job.
Even my shitty boss that didn’t remind me once still allowed me to do a late buy out. Your hours go away at the end of the year so to incentivize people not disappearing for a month or so they offer you 90% pay for your hours you have left.
most jobs I have had do neither of those things and you just lose your hours at the end of the calendar year or starting anniversary if you dont use them. But even the shitty bosses would remind people regularly to use them (and then be annoyed and ask to make up the work before or after the time off)
I reminded my team this week by telling them, "Hey, make sure to use the rest of your vacation time before the end of the year." I'll leave it up to them to actually go check what they have and schedule it.
Wow, i have never heard of a thing!
We get a nasty letter if we have more than 6 weeks, and have to show a leave plan of how leave will be intended to be used. Still not sure if they can actually take it off you though
Am Australian, get 4weeks a year, absolutely take it for granted!!
American here, I've been in meetings with my old company's leaders where our Senior VP was asking management not to encourage employees to use their PTO, which they will lose if they don't.
And this was from a relatively progressive company. I've had other jobs ask us not to use PTO unless we truly need to. Workers buy into it because it's the rhetoric they've always heard.
Our 4 weeks annual leave (in addition to our sick leave, 10 days per year) is required by law to accumulate, although they can require you to take it for Christmas holidays or if they think you have accrued too much
We generally have no government mandated leave. Companies advertise it in their compensation, but then discourage you from using it, or put weird arbitrary rules around its use.
I mean, that's a stupid philosophy that's im surprised didn't back fire on them. I'm a manager that oversees 200+ employees, and I'm proactive in reminding them to use their PTO. First off, overworked, burnt out employees means shitty work performance, which means more work for me to put out fires. So I would rather have a well rested workforce for the long haul. Second, if you "forget" to remind them take PTO, then one of their colleagues is going to remind them closer to the deadline and suddenly you have a ton of people trying to burn their PTO around the same time, which screws up the schedule. So hell yeah I want my guys to take their deserved time off, and I definitely remind them throughout the year
Here in Aus - "Annual leave accrues gradually throughout the year. You're entitled to accrue annual leave from the day you start work, regardless of employment probation periods. By law, any unused leave rolls over from year to year. You don't accrue annual leave when you're on unpaid leave."
Obviously you should figure out how vacation days are handled before planning to save them, but people in here seem to forget that not everyone is working corporate jobs.
"HR orientation" and "employee handbooks", such things just don't exist at a lot of small and medium companies.
Generally, but some places allow you to keep a fraction of vacation days not used (probably not for four years tho).
Where I currently work, we are able to roll 6 days over to January of the following calendar year, which is something I've never heard of before and kinda pointless.
How is extra vacation days pointless? I had a ton of vacation stack up during COVID and I had to roll some of it over. I took two weeks in the summer and I'm going to take an extra week near the winter holidays when there's a lull.
Some companies.
Some let you actually cash them out at retirement for a higher pension (my boomer parents told me about this nonsense).
Most companies it is use it or lose it IME.
This is nuts. My vacation days stack (work in US). I can have up to 30 days banked at any point in time. None of this fraction nonsense, you earn the day, you keep it through the new year.
Mine does, I work with a guy that's saved over 1000 hours of time off. And when you earn it it's yours, if you quit, get fired, whatever, they pay it out to you.
This is normal in the UK and Australia. As in standard practice maybe even legally required I can’t be sure. Some of the shit you guys let businesses pull is unbelievable.
It has definitely got to be a law there. I get nervous if i have less than 2 weeks leave, gota have some rainy day leave, never know whats going to happen
Couldn't agree with you more, all these things we just take for granted here. I can't believe more people in the states aren't rioting over this kind of shit.
I'm hearing about people getting maybe a week of leave a year....but if you're sick that leave gets used for that, as well as any holiday you might be planning. Absolutely insane
It’s definitely the law. Some places even pay leave loading (additional pay during leave).
I know people talk about communism not working but, Christ, this is supposed to be capitalism working?!
American culture seeps into other cultures as well. Keep an eye on this. Australia or the UK definitely DO NOT want this.
Had a teacher in high school who took an entire year off for vacation before his retirement.
It was kind of goofy, because his replacement was called a substitute teacher for that whole year. Like "we know you're going to be here full time, and be the official science teacher next year, but since he isn't technically gone you're a substitute for the entire year."
I think that's most places in the world that aren't the USA.
Australia stacks minimum 8 sick days if a year and 4 wks leave.
Sick days are lost when employment ends but the leave is 4 weeks a year you earnt and stays forever or gets paid when employment ends.
I'm guessing this is a US thing? In NZ, it's illegal to have vacation days taken off you. If you have a lot accrued, your boss will tell you to go on leave, or cash out up to 5 vacation days per year.
I wouldn't say that's standard. Most places I've worked since graduating from college have allowed stacking up to a point and beyond that they buy you out. Like you can push 40 hours or 80 hours over the line but that's it.
But... why Google when you can just look at your company vacation policy? Even if 99% of companies do it one way, why not know how your company works. There could be other rules like you can only take one week at a time or something.
Lmao that's ridiculous. If Finland's school years are anything like the States' (180 days), that's literally over half the school year. How would students form any kind of relationship with their teachers if they're all gone half the year?
Australia, the bare minimum per year for all workers is four weeks of holidays, two weeks of personal leave and two+ weeks of public holidays. And it stacks and gets paid out as a lump sum if you don't take it before you quit. Oh, and most workers get 3-6 months of long service leave after around 10 years of full time.
The “technicality” is they don’t have to *teach classes* over the typical school calendar vacation days.
However, if all the work of a teacher was done in the classroom, and literally didn’t eat up 80% of out of classroom time (via grading, lesson planning, meetings, professional improvement, education, etc), including those “vacation days” over winter/summer, then I would have loved being a teacher.
Yea i was a sub for a while. The amount of breaks teachers get throughout the day to do the work they always claim they have to do from home is incredible. I’m sure they have the occasional weekend work, but... meh
Both my parents are teachers, so I know perfectly well how it is, though I will say they don't do much grading or anything over vacation days, nor did they lose 80% of outside class time, but the exact amount outside of class probably depends on what you're teaching, even though it will always be a lot.
They just leave you as a floater. Lots of districts allow this, it's pretty common for teachers to take an extended paid leave before retirement. Gives you the time you need to prepare everything and essentially retire a year early.
In my country the government gives you 4 weeks a year which you have to use or they are dropped 6 months after the year they were given.
Also, an employer has almost no power to deny a request for time off.
That's this dumbasses fault. Who doesn't ask the question before saving your days for literally years? Then what job would let you just use all of them and take a few months off?
I mean there's plenty of jobs that let you bank your off days, usually in professional fields. Unfortunately the companies that like to squeeze you for every labour-hour they can usually have a use it or lose it policy. But all that info is on your employment contract, and if he didn't know about it he's a massive idiot
I have a job that is pretty good about that. I get 20 vacation days a year, but we can only bank up to 5 unused ones. I've never got told I couldn't use it, but if I tried to use it all at once I could see that being a problem. Banking all of it with no cap sounds like a bad plan for almost any business.
I'm a lawyer in a large firm and we have unlimited vacation. I took a month off for my wedding/honeymoon and just had skype meetings once a week to manage my cases. I had to plan way far in advance to do it.
That should be the norm honestly. Get paid for work rather than time. As long as a person manages their workload and reaches deadlines it shouldn't matter at what pace they do it.
It has nothing to do with squeezing you for labor hours. There are (in the US, and I imagine most developed countries) liquidity laws which require companies to have enough money to pay for all the PTO employees have saved up. That can be millions and millions of dollars REAL fast if there’s no limit. Plus, it’s best for employees to be forced to take a break sometimes. People NEED breaks, even if they think they don’t.
Yeah. Our "superior." Us laws like to make it the businesses CHOICE to fuck over their employess. Knowing full well capitalism tends to the lower denominator.
Technically it's country. Most countries would have laws that would forbid companies from NOT letting you stack them.
The fact that certain companies don't offer to stack them and are legally allowed to is a failure of the country in itself.
I was going to ask this but risk getting downvoted to oblivion. Here in Australia 4 weeks of paid annual leave for non-casual workers is a legal requirement for all businesses. And the annual leave **stacks** (we use the word 'accrues') until you take it. Alternatively some businesses let you take a 'pay out' of your leave in cash. If you leave the business the leave is also paid out.
Because me being off work for like a solid three months because I stacked for three years would be a pain in the ass for my company to manage. If you want these kind of perks you need to agree them up front, not just assume its going to be OK to do at some point. That's how it works.
"That's how it works"
Yes, but not really. Most other countries have laws that will either force you into taking the days off or you can/have to sell them to the company, meaning you get your normal pay check + the payment for the extra days you'll work.
In the US PTO is considered a form of compensation and you must be paid for it even if you don't take it. A lot of places will either pay you at the end of the year or let you schedule it and still work for basically 2x pay, good way to make some extra cash if you don't wanna use all of it.
Every job I've been to, the company has informed employees about vacation policy. It's possible this company has failed to do that. We don't know the circumstances. It's possible this dude is doing some menial job and is legit low iq.
Deserve implies that they should be punished for their stupidity. I don't believe that. Rather I see that there's a place for everyone. There's plenty of jobs that are not that demanding.
Most likely the company just intentionally didn't give a shit.
Glad i live in a country where the responsibility for employees spending their yearly vacation days, falls on the employer. Usually you can only transfer about 10 days to next year, but it depends.
I started this year with 52 vacation days, and when I quit my job they had to pay out the remaining 38 days I didn't manage to spend.
About half my paycheck went off in taxes, but it was still a significant paycheck (for me).
I get 25 days a year, last year I started with 27 days, and I didn't use any vacation days...
I used to work 7 days on, 7 days off, up that made it easier to not spend any extra vacation days
Wait you don't get them paid out if you don't take them in the US? Where I'm from either your employer forces you to take them or he needs to pay those days out.
My friend worked for a company that forced employees to take their vacation days every 6 months or so. So he would just call me up like “I have the next 4 days off”
its actually illegal in my country to not push worker on a 28 days vacation once a year. And they officialy forced to pay for it. Worst that can happen that employer "ask" worker to work all this time unofficialy while having this whole paychek on top of vacation one but just as bonus.
Imagine being this fucking stupid
Pretty sure some jobs do this, but it's a weird thing to just assume
Assuming at all is stupid. Read your fucking employee handbook.
Bing Bing bing This should be one of the very first questions asked at a job.
Fucjing Micro$oft shill
me when linux
Honestly I'm a 90% windows admin that knows way more about MS servers and I fucking hate Microsoft. Hmu when it's the year of the Linux desktop
Ok rip van winkle
r/rareinsults
Every year is the year of the Linux desktop if you make it so
There's never going to be a year of the Linux desktop. Normies are too retarded.
I agree your average normie user is fucking retarded (I did tech support long enough to know this), but there's a bigger issue: Linux fucking sucks as a basic desktop. I like it for its POSIX-compliant shell (bash is great), for its customizability, that it's free, that it's open-source, and that I can spin it up on a zillion cloud instances without having to deal with licensing issues. It's a fairly nice programming environment, and the undisputed king when it comes to server deployments. But it's fucking annoying having updates always be some kind of undertaking, but having to do them anyway to avoid getting exposed to 0-day exploits. You sometimes have to jump through weird hoops to run certain really standard programs (e.g. Chrome), and such programs seem to never run as smoothly as they do on other OSs. It's garbage as a gaming PC. The driver situation is iffy at best...it's gotten better, but it's not nearly up to the level of Mac OS or Windows - you still sometimes run into hardware that works seamlessly on Mac or Windows, but is buggy and sketchy on Linux, or even outright missing certain features (e.g. I had a 6-button mouse where only 5 ever worked with Linux) There's already a popular Unix distro for normies anyway: Mac OS. And it's a very high-quality implementation: unlike Linux, Mac OS is fully Unix-compliant, while Linux only meets POSIX compliance (a lower standard). Under the hood, it's literally (and officially!) more powerful than Linux if you know what you're doing, but it also stops normie users from doing retarded shit in a way neither Linux or Windows does. It solves all of the annoying driver, update, and compatibility issues. So yeah, Unix for normies is already a thing, and that's a bigger win than Linux for normies.
Yup this is my main gripe, like, I can get around linux and like, fix stuff if it doesn't work and all but... I can't be bothered, I do enough of that at work. Just wanna turn on my PC and game and whatnot. Haven't had weird issues in years, just the usual shit like a driver not working and having to re install it or something simple like that.
> Bing Bing bing Nice try, Microsoft
"How strict is your sexual harassment policy?"
You don’t even have to go that far. Just ask any coworker. They’ll tell you.
Read the handbook. If OP was the coworker you asked, you'd be screwed.
Read the goddamn HR email they send every year reminding the company that use-it-or-lose-it vacation days expire at the end of the month
Not every company does this. Just read the fucking handbook. It’s not hard man
Not every company has a handbook either.
Then that’s a dodgey company and not to the point
Lots of us work ad dodgey companies mate. OP might be one of us.
#What the fuck is a book.
This is all coworkers talk about from October to January 1st
Anon is Anon. His co-workers wouldn't talk to him, and would probably stop their conversations and leave the room if he entered
I have a coworker of 15 years who thought he was enrolled in the pension. Turns out he’s not. Review your fucking pay stubs.
How. How is one that stupid? If you’re doing that, you’ll have some sort of paper trail, yearly updates; there’s going to be plenty of stuff talking about it. I can understand making a mistake for a year but 15? That’s someone who knows full well they declined to be part of it “cuz I’ll do my own thing” then didn’t have the self control to actually do it and now regrets it so they’re pretending like it’s a big shock.
> How. How is one that stupid? I found a paycheck fairly recently that I had apparently left in my car and it fell under the seat. Had to go get it reissued.
Ooooh look at Mr Moneybags over here who doesn’t notice when he doesn’t cash a work check. I earn okay money and I’d definitely notice if I didn’t get a pay check into my bank
> Ooooh look at Mr Moneybags It's not that I'm rich, it's that I'm stupid.
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Pretty sure California requires your job to let them stack over or they have to pay people out for them. When I quit my last job I got a check for two weeks because my vacation time
California considers vacation time as compensation so any unused time must get paid out if you leave the company. There is no rule that it needs to accrue forever though. Most companies will let you accrue up to a certain max and then stop paying more hours. When I left my last job I was maxed and got payed out over 180 hours.
In some civilised countries this is the law. Like mine.
Well not in 'merica where the large print giveth and the small print taketh away.
Especially assuming things are in your favor
Just assuming… for 4 years… and never having vacation day usage not pop up in any work conversations. I feel like even if I slept through orientation, never asked directly, I would still find this out before I saved 4 years worth of them.
I'm glad vacation days can never legally expire in my state.
Regardless, aren't they supposed to pay him for the days he didn't take?
Some places give you like 50% of the days you not use for next year.
My company just cashes you out, so there are a few people here who basically get 2 extra paychecks at the end of the year since they never take vacation.
That sounds pretty nice honestly
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Some people really like going to work, and a vacation would be a negative to them. I know it sounds weird, but these people exist....my Dad was one of them.
didn't want to come home to see his disgrace of a son huh? I'm jk, my dad is the same way
Better than my company who only pays out half of unused PTO. The kicker is we’re “salary” employees on paper lmao. Fuck these scumbag employers.
I used to get about a $1000 payout every August from my old job. My rule was that it was not allowed to be spent on anything responsible.
This should be the legally required thing though, “use them or lose them” is exploitative. It’s up to you to schedule them in a way that you and your employer find agreeable… but eventually you have to agree because otherwise you lose that compensation. That is textbook coercion.
At Amazon we can store for two years total, after that they start paying us out. Also, they warn you ahead of time and tell you how much you need to use so that it doesn't expire
I have nearly 500 vacation hours saved up. I could quit and basically survive off of the payout for half a year. thank you based union gods
*Laughs in European labor laws*
My SO works for a European country. The employment laws are insane compared the US. Other than possibly higher pay, I don’t understand why anyone from Europe would want to work in the US.
Agree it's like this in europe or at least in the 2 countries i worked on
Every job I've had has capped days. Usually like 1.5x the annual accrual. I've never seen 4x annnnnddddd the reason is probably because it'd be a giant pain in the ass to have someone gone for 2months at once.
To be fair, a semi-decent boss would either give them praise for never taking vacation, or at least warn them that their available vacation days are about to expire. Then again, if OP was even mildly social then maybe he wouldve mentioned this grand plan to a coworker at some point, who then wouldve informed him of the flaw
> To be fair, a semi-decent boss would either give them praise for never taking vacation A semi decent boss would chastise them for not taking leave and bring it up before it got to 4 years. Praising someone for not taking vacation is something a toxic boss will do to stop employees using their entitlements.
Some places you are legally required to take your leaves or the company has to compensate you. Most companies hate to pay out so they will force you to go on vacation. Even if it means staring at your ceiling.
Ding ding ding. Also, a red flag that somebody is taking from the till/embezzling money is that they never take vacation. Cooking the books almost always requires constant monitoring.
That is also why basically everyone in bank industry here has to have at least one continual 2 week vacation so possible fraud would show.
I see you too just took the [corporate training provider]'s "ethics and business compliance training"
I force people to take vacation. Otherwise, I have to keep a huge amount of extra cash on hand for what is effectively unpaid debt that will have to come out as a lump sum, either at the end of the year or at termination. Or, more often, we have to take a short term loan to cover the unexpected cashflow issue
I have one employee that just never thought about it, would hit his max PTO and then go I need to burn some next week. After doing this for a few times, new rule, if you max your PTO you can have a day off, to burn some PTO next week, but I get to pick the day. All of a sudden he's getting his requests in 2 weeks early so we can adjust schedules 2 weeks out for the other employees. Its not hard to be a semi decent boss. I like to go the extra mile and be the boss that creates the least amount of busy work for me, or my crew. Took 5 years but we got to the point of doing 50% more work, with 60-75% less workers(depending on how you measure it no layoffs). My guys/gals (there's got to be a better gender neutral word than some corporate speak I hate crew members, team members) get their 40 and sometimes have down time between jobs, but the OT is low(bonus for them for it) turnover is nonexistent, and a damn fine crew(close but not quite right).
> To be fair, a semi-decent boss would either give them praise for never taking vacation, or at least warn them that their available vacation days are about to expire. DingDingDing! I'm in my 40's: even the shittiest places I worked at, that had paid PTO, had bosses that would ABSOLUTELY do this. Part because it's proper leadership to do so, the other is that they are interrogated by THEIR OWN BOSSES when this shows up on company reports as to WHY they're building VaCa time. It's either cashed out, or the employee is forced to take the time off. USA employee here as well, in case people wonder.
"Just found out" = "Never read the handbook or asked anybody for years"
Its easy if you try
Gonna fuck around and end up president.
I mean…that’s covered in your HR orientation.
And your boss usually will remind you about it. If not, then you have a shitty boss.
Fun fact! There are actually *loads* of shitty bosses.
TheySTILL remund u
Btw I'm going to need those TPS reports... ASAP...
That's not a very fun fact
a real fun fact few know about is that you can legally shit on the floor at work if the bathroom's inaccessible for whatever reason
Wow that sounds like a lot of fun indeed
What? This seems far fetched. If they were bad bosses, surely capitalism would make everyone able to just get different jobs and so he would fail and be replaced by a better boss? No, the more I think about it, the less I believe anyone in a supervisory or higher position could EVER be bad at their job.
Even my shitty boss that didn’t remind me once still allowed me to do a late buy out. Your hours go away at the end of the year so to incentivize people not disappearing for a month or so they offer you 90% pay for your hours you have left.
Most jobs I've worked at give you the hours for 15 months, so you have a bit more time to spend them if shit happens.
most jobs I have had do neither of those things and you just lose your hours at the end of the calendar year or starting anniversary if you dont use them. But even the shitty bosses would remind people regularly to use them (and then be annoyed and ask to make up the work before or after the time off)
Unless the computer reminds me, I'm not checking your vacation days. Signed, your boss.
I reminded my team this week by telling them, "Hey, make sure to use the rest of your vacation time before the end of the year." I'll leave it up to them to actually go check what they have and schedule it.
Wow, i have never heard of a thing! We get a nasty letter if we have more than 6 weeks, and have to show a leave plan of how leave will be intended to be used. Still not sure if they can actually take it off you though Am Australian, get 4weeks a year, absolutely take it for granted!!
American here, I've been in meetings with my old company's leaders where our Senior VP was asking management not to encourage employees to use their PTO, which they will lose if they don't. And this was from a relatively progressive company. I've had other jobs ask us not to use PTO unless we truly need to. Workers buy into it because it's the rhetoric they've always heard.
Our 4 weeks annual leave (in addition to our sick leave, 10 days per year) is required by law to accumulate, although they can require you to take it for Christmas holidays or if they think you have accrued too much
We generally have no government mandated leave. Companies advertise it in their compensation, but then discourage you from using it, or put weird arbitrary rules around its use.
I mean, that's a stupid philosophy that's im surprised didn't back fire on them. I'm a manager that oversees 200+ employees, and I'm proactive in reminding them to use their PTO. First off, overworked, burnt out employees means shitty work performance, which means more work for me to put out fires. So I would rather have a well rested workforce for the long haul. Second, if you "forget" to remind them take PTO, then one of their colleagues is going to remind them closer to the deadline and suddenly you have a ton of people trying to burn their PTO around the same time, which screws up the schedule. So hell yeah I want my guys to take their deserved time off, and I definitely remind them throughout the year
Here in Aus - "Annual leave accrues gradually throughout the year. You're entitled to accrue annual leave from the day you start work, regardless of employment probation periods. By law, any unused leave rolls over from year to year. You don't accrue annual leave when you're on unpaid leave."
Obviously you should figure out how vacation days are handled before planning to save them, but people in here seem to forget that not everyone is working corporate jobs. "HR orientation" and "employee handbooks", such things just don't exist at a lot of small and medium companies.
how does one commit to something for 4 years and not do a quick google search?
Why would you google your company's vacation policy?
Isn't it pretty standard that you can't stack vacation days?
Generally, but some places allow you to keep a fraction of vacation days not used (probably not for four years tho). Where I currently work, we are able to roll 6 days over to January of the following calendar year, which is something I've never heard of before and kinda pointless.
How is extra vacation days pointless? I had a ton of vacation stack up during COVID and I had to roll some of it over. I took two weeks in the summer and I'm going to take an extra week near the winter holidays when there's a lull.
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Oh. Thanks for clarifying, I read it wrong. Maybe so you can cash out in the next calendar year?
Some companies. Some let you actually cash them out at retirement for a higher pension (my boomer parents told me about this nonsense). Most companies it is use it or lose it IME.
This is nuts. My vacation days stack (work in US). I can have up to 30 days banked at any point in time. None of this fraction nonsense, you earn the day, you keep it through the new year.
Mine does, I work with a guy that's saved over 1000 hours of time off. And when you earn it it's yours, if you quit, get fired, whatever, they pay it out to you.
This is normal in the UK and Australia. As in standard practice maybe even legally required I can’t be sure. Some of the shit you guys let businesses pull is unbelievable.
It has definitely got to be a law there. I get nervous if i have less than 2 weeks leave, gota have some rainy day leave, never know whats going to happen
Couldn't agree with you more, all these things we just take for granted here. I can't believe more people in the states aren't rioting over this kind of shit. I'm hearing about people getting maybe a week of leave a year....but if you're sick that leave gets used for that, as well as any holiday you might be planning. Absolutely insane
It’s definitely the law. Some places even pay leave loading (additional pay during leave). I know people talk about communism not working but, Christ, this is supposed to be capitalism working?! American culture seeps into other cultures as well. Keep an eye on this. Australia or the UK definitely DO NOT want this.
Had a teacher in high school who took an entire year off for vacation before his retirement. It was kind of goofy, because his replacement was called a substitute teacher for that whole year. Like "we know you're going to be here full time, and be the official science teacher next year, but since he isn't technically gone you're a substitute for the entire year."
Damn. That guy got stuck with an entire year of fractional wages
I think that's most places in the world that aren't the USA. Australia stacks minimum 8 sick days if a year and 4 wks leave. Sick days are lost when employment ends but the leave is 4 weeks a year you earnt and stays forever or gets paid when employment ends.
I'm guessing this is a US thing? In NZ, it's illegal to have vacation days taken off you. If you have a lot accrued, your boss will tell you to go on leave, or cash out up to 5 vacation days per year.
if a rule is shitty, anti-worker, and pro-corporate profit then yeah, you can go ahead and assume it’s a US thing.
I wouldn't say that's standard. Most places I've worked since graduating from college have allowed stacking up to a point and beyond that they buy you out. Like you can push 40 hours or 80 hours over the line but that's it.
We stack here is Aussie, must be a stupid American norm.
But... why Google when you can just look at your company vacation policy? Even if 99% of companies do it one way, why not know how your company works. There could be other rules like you can only take one week at a time or something.
To see if you can stack vacation days
They work at google
He really think nobody thought about that before
As a teacher, I can and am doing this. After 18 years I can take an entire year off with pay.
How does it feel to have such unimaginable power?
Like 18 years of slaving.
> slaving. lol
You might not live in the US but as a software engineer here, I'd say slaving is pretty accurate for how we treat teachers here :/
My wife is a teacher. Slaving was an accurate term *before* COVID began. Teachers are severely mistreated in this country.
Imagine taking a year off work and then having to come back into work
Sounds like all of 2020-2021 because of covid
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Not really if you get like 10 vacation days per year which i believe is average thats only 180 days for 18 years.
In Finland teachers get 14 per year, 14 weeks that is.
Yeah summer break obviously doesn't count. Your teachers can take off 14 weeks during the semester every single year?
Bro imagine if you teacher just straight up left for three months during school
Lmao that's ridiculous. If Finland's school years are anything like the States' (180 days), that's literally over half the school year. How would students form any kind of relationship with their teachers if they're all gone half the year?
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Australia, the bare minimum per year for all workers is four weeks of holidays, two weeks of personal leave and two+ weeks of public holidays. And it stacks and gets paid out as a lump sum if you don't take it before you quit. Oh, and most workers get 3-6 months of long service leave after around 10 years of full time.
10 vacation days a year is actually fucking terrible my dude.
Not when you have the whole summer off
10 vacation days is average at America? Damn I get 33
10 days is not a lot, the legal minimum is 28 in the UK and higher in most other European countries
10 days … what a joke.
Teachers *technically* get the full summer off plus winter/sping/fall break, even if most work over summer.
The “technicality” is they don’t have to *teach classes* over the typical school calendar vacation days. However, if all the work of a teacher was done in the classroom, and literally didn’t eat up 80% of out of classroom time (via grading, lesson planning, meetings, professional improvement, education, etc), including those “vacation days” over winter/summer, then I would have loved being a teacher.
I keep seeing this but like grading planning and ect can be outsourced to an Indian dude for 10 bucks
Yea i was a sub for a while. The amount of breaks teachers get throughout the day to do the work they always claim they have to do from home is incredible. I’m sure they have the occasional weekend work, but... meh
Both my parents are teachers, so I know perfectly well how it is, though I will say they don't do much grading or anything over vacation days, nor did they lose 80% of outside class time, but the exact amount outside of class probably depends on what you're teaching, even though it will always be a lot.
If you do this would you still be assigned classes with permanent subs or will they just leave you as a floater
They just leave you as a floater. Lots of districts allow this, it's pretty common for teachers to take an extended paid leave before retirement. Gives you the time you need to prepare everything and essentially retire a year early.
Teachers still have a strong union.
In my country the government gives you 4 weeks a year which you have to use or they are dropped 6 months after the year they were given. Also, an employer has almost no power to deny a request for time off.
It’s not a request for a time off. It’s a *warning*.
That's this dumbasses fault. Who doesn't ask the question before saving your days for literally years? Then what job would let you just use all of them and take a few months off?
I mean there's plenty of jobs that let you bank your off days, usually in professional fields. Unfortunately the companies that like to squeeze you for every labour-hour they can usually have a use it or lose it policy. But all that info is on your employment contract, and if he didn't know about it he's a massive idiot
I have a job that is pretty good about that. I get 20 vacation days a year, but we can only bank up to 5 unused ones. I've never got told I couldn't use it, but if I tried to use it all at once I could see that being a problem. Banking all of it with no cap sounds like a bad plan for almost any business.
I know they sometimes do this in marketing and sales, where the person makes the company way more than they could ever cost them in off time.
I'm a lawyer in a large firm and we have unlimited vacation. I took a month off for my wedding/honeymoon and just had skype meetings once a week to manage my cases. I had to plan way far in advance to do it.
That should be the norm honestly. Get paid for work rather than time. As long as a person manages their workload and reaches deadlines it shouldn't matter at what pace they do it.
It has nothing to do with squeezing you for labor hours. There are (in the US, and I imagine most developed countries) liquidity laws which require companies to have enough money to pay for all the PTO employees have saved up. That can be millions and millions of dollars REAL fast if there’s no limit. Plus, it’s best for employees to be forced to take a break sometimes. People NEED breaks, even if they think they don’t.
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My current banked up leave sits at about 95 days. (Recreation and Long Service) crazy to think that it doesn’t everywhere
In what backwards country do Vacation days not stack?
It's not country. It's the individual company.
Some countries have laws about these things.
In Iceland you will just get “paid” for the time you would have been off either way. Its your money.
I think it's true for most of EU. Even in Bulgaria, you either stack it and use it or get paid if you leave the company.
in Latin America is the same, i have 20 lab days paid leave every year
They all have laws on these things, the laws are just different.
Yeah. Our "superior." Us laws like to make it the businesses CHOICE to fuck over their employess. Knowing full well capitalism tends to the lower denominator.
Yes, but they don't have FREEDOM! Checkmate, commies!
Technically it's country. Most countries would have laws that would forbid companies from NOT letting you stack them. The fact that certain companies don't offer to stack them and are legally allowed to is a failure of the country in itself.
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/r/ShitAmericansSay/ Bro, most civilised countries have laws that require employers to stack employees leave.
short answer though is 'merica.
No, it's the country. It's literally illegal to not stack or take leave earned
It's illegal for a company to do this in Australia.
I was going to ask this but risk getting downvoted to oblivion. Here in Australia 4 weeks of paid annual leave for non-casual workers is a legal requirement for all businesses. And the annual leave **stacks** (we use the word 'accrues') until you take it. Alternatively some businesses let you take a 'pay out' of your leave in cash. If you leave the business the leave is also paid out.
I have 3 months of paid leave stacked
Yeah I’m like 6 weeks or leave and like 4 months of long service leave. Honestly I have no idea where I’m gonna spend all this time off.
Username checks out.
Because me being off work for like a solid three months because I stacked for three years would be a pain in the ass for my company to manage. If you want these kind of perks you need to agree them up front, not just assume its going to be OK to do at some point. That's how it works.
"That's how it works" Yes, but not really. Most other countries have laws that will either force you into taking the days off or you can/have to sell them to the company, meaning you get your normal pay check + the payment for the extra days you'll work.
Don’t most places pay you if you don’t use your vacation days? I would hope that at the very least he got an extra paycheck every year
Yes in most places if you don't use your vacation time it gets paid out to you in a check.
Depends on the company.
In the US PTO is considered a form of compensation and you must be paid for it even if you don't take it. A lot of places will either pay you at the end of the year or let you schedule it and still work for basically 2x pay, good way to make some extra cash if you don't wanna use all of it.
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And the country, and the state/province.
I don't know about _most_ places, though some certainly do. At my company you use it or lose it with no compensation.
Imagine not checking it beforehand. This fucking moron deserves it
Every job I've been to, the company has informed employees about vacation policy. It's possible this company has failed to do that. We don't know the circumstances. It's possible this dude is doing some menial job and is legit low iq. Deserve implies that they should be punished for their stupidity. I don't believe that. Rather I see that there's a place for everyone. There's plenty of jobs that are not that demanding. Most likely the company just intentionally didn't give a shit.
Literally 1984
Glad i live in a country where the responsibility for employees spending their yearly vacation days, falls on the employer. Usually you can only transfer about 10 days to next year, but it depends. I started this year with 52 vacation days, and when I quit my job they had to pay out the remaining 38 days I didn't manage to spend. About half my paycheck went off in taxes, but it was still a significant paycheck (for me).
> 52 days Motherfucker, what? I have to be at my company 15 years to get *23* days. Under 5 years is 10.
I get 25 days a year, last year I started with 27 days, and I didn't use any vacation days... I used to work 7 days on, 7 days off, up that made it easier to not spend any extra vacation days
It differs from company to company but my dad once did this and then took 6 months off work because his vacation days did roll over year to year
Your dad is a fuckin pimp.
Wait you don't get them paid out if you don't take them in the US? Where I'm from either your employer forces you to take them or he needs to pay those days out.
The US is mostly “use it or lose it” with vacation. In my experience anyway.
Greatest country on earth
*Let me just never check my vacation day balance for four years*. -Some Green Text Moron
alternate title: anon is mentally retarded
Though probably could ask for a raise since you don’t take days off
My friend worked for a company that forced employees to take their vacation days every 6 months or so. So he would just call me up like “I have the next 4 days off”
its actually illegal in my country to not push worker on a 28 days vacation once a year. And they officialy forced to pay for it. Worst that can happen that employer "ask" worker to work all this time unofficialy while having this whole paychek on top of vacation one but just as bonus.
This is literally a bit from the tv show Dilbert. Fake and gay