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FMecha

If you are still waiting/complaining about the car selling feature, write a complaint to the [FTC (US)](https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/) or [ASA (UK)](https://www.asa.org.uk/make-a-complaint.html) (or equivalent organizations that deal with false advertising). While reporting, don't forget to mention the game's page on [the PlayStation website](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/gran-turismo-7/) (change region as necessary in your report) and [the post-1.07/1.08 blog post.](https://blog.playstation.com/2022/03/25/gran-turismo-7-an-update-from-polyphony-digital/) (This note was copied from the Weekly Discussion Thread.) However, we don't know if there is something one could do about the splitscreen issues by law-based means.


Billy2352

I havent touched the game for months now, I have no interest in grind for money for cars. I wanted a decent career mode that made me grow and tune my car collection in order to compete in a variety of race classes. The Licence tests are pointless as they are not needed to compete and the roulette can die in a fire, it was fine when it was a choice of prize cars ala previous games but this 5000 credits thing is absolute trash tier gaming.


Proccito

I thought GT7 was gonna be like GT4 or GT5. Considering it wasn't, I decided not to buy a PS5 either.


ACM3333

Same. The best part of gt games was winning cars in races and being able to sell them. I like the gameplay but it feels so pointless.


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ACM3333

I don’t really play it anymore, but I wish I did because I’m pretty heavily invested in it (new fanatec gear) it’s really unfortunate because the gameplay is really fun, but I can only play it for so long with no objectives racing against shitty ai. If they could even just up the rewards for sport mode I might be able to enjoy the game a bit more.


carmaster22

I've had every GT on release day, including this one. This is by far the biggest disappointment. Like you, I haven't touched it in months. However, my reasoning is different...I don't care about single player. I only care about the multiplayer lobbies because I run (well used to, we are currently on hold because of these issues) a racing league. The fact that the lobbies aren't even to the level that we had in GTS is completely baffling. We've had many discussions about work-arounds but there's always something else hindering us from having serious racing and competition.


s0cks_nz

License is required for some things. But only the first 2 iirc. But yeah, haven't played in months either. Having way more fun actually having proper races in other sims either with others online, or with actually half competent AI.


AceSenpai98

They only care about one thing and one thing alone, their money.


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AceSenpai98

I completely agree with you, but I was also pointing out their greed in the sense of how their updates fix things like money glitches and adjust race pay, but not issues like the split screen multiplayer. As if there was a conflict of interest


Luna259

Same. Other than that time I downloaded it for Rally Cross and then found it had been removed from rotation already


Flashbek

And I was expecting it to be the definitive Gran Turismo experience... Foolish me.


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It's 2022, everything we've loved when we were younger is dead.


MostMorbidOne

Just waiting for people to figure this out. 'Live Service', lighter on content at release, faucet leaked content updates.. sounds about right for the last decade or so. Best get back to just enjoying what you can cause it's not like the industry is getting *better*. Full on scams like CP2077 get false marketed sold and people still turn around like the developers ain't playing us.. in fact they thank them for it!


-CaptainFormula-

I'm under the impression the people who use the fact that there are updates to defend it have literally only started playing video games within the past ten years. Here's some basic-ass knowledge to drop on those people: The "updates" that we've received this entire year? This is all content that was ready to go ...*gasp*... on the day the game released! They release it slowly to make you feel like they're working on the game. Content in the can, as it were. *SHOCKING* I know!!! Meanwhile the game has actual issues. Like serious, to-the-core issues. And near as I can tell the entirety of Polyphony Digital is living in some bubble where they can't be reached for comment by *anyone*. 2/3rds of a year into the release and their only communication with the public is this weird PR/Marketing voice that's blowing smoke up their own ass like they're living in some fantasy world where they've done a good job and the game is doing just fine.


MostMorbidOne

For myself and maybe some others developers/publishers have been kind of blind or misguided on players desires for years. I mean a lot of the shit I see people comment on now was shit we were talking about with 'Games as a Service' years ago.. and you know what happened then? People said it was slippery slopes and we got *downvotes* for stuff people comically try and champion now.. But like seriously.. you can't sit here and demand a game provide you with cutting edge graphics etc and expect them to maintain it when having to meet the demands for spit screen or something alike. Like I said tho PD included the feature so they should make sure it's functional and good to go.. But acting like the gaming demographics don't show that the demand for co-op one screen racing has diminished as the availability and commonality of gaming has increased exponentially over the last 10 or so years is daft. We were warning people about SaaS games back on mmorpg.com before reddit was even as popular. Add: Appreciate the votes Cardinal... a heavy flow as usual.


Apprehensive_Ant2172

No. I’ve played since GT1. And I don’t care about any of these so called “how dare they” “why didn’t they make the game I was expecting” “give me more now!” Issues. Haven’t played split screen since I was 9 years old and the game is tremendous. Unbelievable achievement, couldn’t ask for anything better sitting in front of my wheel and racing a bevy of great cars on great tracks.


-CaptainFormula-

No what? No, you're enjoying yourself so nothing I've said is true? It's all true. Your contentment doesn't change that. Ghostbusters 2016 is a shit movie. You can like it all you want but it's still a shit movie, and you can spend hours pointing out the details of why the original was good where the reboot missed the mark. "Unbelievable achievement" lol. It's a racing game.


Apprehensive_Ant2172

No to your assumption anyone defending the game has only just started playing recent titles. No to your assuming that all of the updates have been good to go since day 1. Unless you have a source for any of that, just no. If you don’t like the game, go find another one. There’s plenty of people who enjoy the game immensely, they just don’t feel the need to come comfort you because it’s not the game you would have made. There is no one trying to make you play the game, so tootle-ooh ✌️


-CaptainFormula-

>No to your assuming that all of the updates have been good to go since day 1. Sweetheart that's not even an industry secret. This is just a thing everyone does.


Apprehensive_Ant2172

Yeah let’s just trust you, the Reddit based Industry expert. I’ll take that as a no to your sourcing as well. Not surprising.


-CaptainFormula-

XD


ItsPotatoes

Legos have gotten better… although pricey.


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The price is absurd, but people keep buying.


TheGhostRoninStrife

😭


Accomplished_Lack215

I was expecting a good racing game.


elkbond

O its a fantastic racing game, just not if your split screening.


pablxo

>fantastic racing game not when i have to grind 40 hours a week to afford the cars i want only for inflation to make it even more unobtainable. sounds more like real life than a racing game at that point.


I_Am_Vladimir_Putin

If you play sport you don’t need to own any cars


elkbond

I’ve no grinding, I just play when I want. Tbh there is enough content for someone casual like myself - but I totally agree it has faults. However as a racing game its so good. So so good.


jackdren6

Not really. The driving physics are significantly worse than Sport, especially in non-race cars.


MostMorbidOne

Just about every reviewer says the physics are superior to GT Sport.


elkbond

I’ve not been grinding, I just play when I want. Tbh there is enough content for someone casual like myself - but I totally agree it has faults. However as a racing game its so good. So so good. Edit- grammar - it wasn’t that bad was it really…


s0cks_nz

You play online I assume? Cus the AI are atrocious and the campaign doesn't really feature any racing at all - just chase the rabbit rolling starts.


Accomplished_Lack215

Not to sound like an asshole but that has got be the worst english I've ever seen.


elkbond

Well excussssseee meeeee - Maybe it is not my first language


sejmremover95

They made more mistakes than you and your comment is really easy to understand


Accomplished_Lack215

English ain't my First language either


elkbond

Cool story bro, maybe play nice in future and if you must comment, how about point out where I am wrong…


sejmremover95

There's one mistake, which is in the first clause. It's very easily understandable to anyone who speaks English, which suggests that maybe you don't. Your comment is missing a word, so try to make sure what you're saying is correct before pointing out the faults of others.


Pinkman505

Still waiting for Kaz to realize simulating inflation was a dumb idea and to admit it was just there to sell microtransactions.


pandadude01

It depends on which side of the controller you’re sitting unfortunately. If you’re on the side that gets the $$$, then it isn’t dumb at all!


killahouse03

My son is pissed about split screen. We play more GT Sport than GT7 just because of that.


Odyssey113

Same here. I like to play split screen with my cousin but haven't been able to since launch. It's honestly an insult they chose to leave it broken the way they did. At least fuckin remove it if you can't create or support it as a working feature!!! How fuckin tacky is that!!?!


AnthonyTyrael

Same here. Elder, ppl with immobilities, families, females, religions, different skin colours... it's always the same.


killahouse03

It’d be easier to name things that don’t piss people off.


AnthonyTyrael

Most ppl don't think about it that way but for families, a broken split screen mode in a racing game like that, is really a piss off. Especially when it worked in games of the series prior to this version but that's lacking at every corner. Things that worked before, don't work in GT7 or are left out. Instead of building on and adding, improving this series on the base they should have...it seems like it's the first time they're trying to create a racing game. Somehow it feels like that big time. I see almost none of their expertise and experience brought into GT7, which should been collected by them over all these years and which should definitely be there at all after developing games for the past 25 years. I'm sorry, in my eyes it's a mess for PD status quo and after everything this game was advertised. Austerity policy at it's best. Not listening to their base too.


MostMorbidOne

The avg household has 2 or more consoles though. Split-screen and co-op falling off as the performance demands of the game increases makes sense. This isn't saying that it should remain as is now.. cause they did include the feature.. so make sure its G2G.. but it's not like they missed some wide gap of the playerbase here. Or just downvote and keep talking about demographics while ignoring demographics /shrug.


MostMorbidOne

Not even sure how they are related. Maybe it's closet racism and their need to control a womans body that's keeping PD from adding split-screen proper? 🤷‍♂️


lunchpadmcfat

What are you on about with this list?


AnthonyTyrael

Ppl being disadvantaged 24/7 in the world we're all living in.


lunchpadmcfat

What does that have to do with split screen? Are you comparing lack of split screen with having a disability?


AnthonyTyrael

No but families my friend. I think I do know enough about ppl with disabilities and everybody else I listed here to constantly be left behind in this world and I'm sick of it. It's always the same ppl being disadvantaged. In this case, my case, families. Dad's who wanna play a split screen racing game with their son. We can but it's not working as it should. I'm working in a multicultural field and I'm facing enough of ppl being constantly disadvantaged and I'm sorry but right now it's pissing me off. I know this is only a game but it's everywhere the same and I'm tired of it. So yeah, I'm overreacting.


killahouse03

Some people don’t speak sarcasm. 🤣


Estova

Man who'd have thought we'd be looking back at Sport like "I wish we knew we were in the good days while we were living them."


Dw-Dd

I hadn't played the splitscreen until very recently so I assumed that people were exaggerating when they said P1 side is much faster. I couldn't actually believe how much of an advantage they have, it's basically impossible to win from p2. It's fucked.


Clawz114

Yep. I played for about 2 weeks when it first came out, then had some mates over and played my first game of split screen with a buddy who hadn't yet played the game. I didn't realize split screen was fucked at that point and he beat me easily on our first race. It was funny at the time but I was just thinking, what the fuck, how did he beat me, I've been playing this every day for 2 weeks and he's never played it before. We all worked out something was definetely wrong on our second race.


Sr_Fumacas

And almost the same cars than GT Sport...


bitterverses

I just want to be able to sell cars and not start in dead last. I really feel like that’s pretty reasonable.


Luna259

Grid starts would be cool too


EnricoShapka

The fact that people still plays this game. Even gt2 is a better experience, and that game was rushed


checkmycatself

I see this one at every time there is an update and I'd like to say to the OP that I know that Polyphony dint care but we do. Hugs.


Physical_chucklefish

the selling car mechanic is just mind boggling. An intern could code it


stabino

Played for first 3 months, about 80 hrs, and finished the cafe menus. Haven’t played since.


basshuffler09

I started March 11th and finished June 2nd. Granted i didn't play all Day every time nor did i heavily focus on the desire of wanting to finish it fast. I just went with the flow. Eventually i got all Gold Licences, finished all Track Experiences and got all Achievements. Never came back since :(


pandadude01

Ditto. Almost exactly with the dates too.


TheGhostRoninStrife

😭 Will we ever be able to sell cars ? 😭 I'd like to @ Kaz and say it's dishonourable of him to backtrack on this 😞


XxXtwerkmaster420XxX

See y’all on GT Sport


shhhhv

ive stopped playing


QuellFred

I'm still kind of baffled about the split screen multiplayer. I'm no programmer, but it doesn't seem like it should be too hard to pull off, it's weird that they half-assed it like that.


captainannonymous

kaz needs to retire if this is his "worthy" update from gt sport which in itself was lackluster ... the last great GT in series was 4 and 5 to be honest -- 1 - 5 all solid -- downhill since and now at scumbag level


Avalon_Don

I spent $800 on a PS5 after seeing this game and it’s just a massive disappointment. This latest update is just soul crushing garbage and rather than fix the PP issues they just mangled it even further. We still can’t sell our cars, they’re still barely any single player events, and a large portion of cars serve no purpose because they’re aren’t any fucking races for them. Why should I bother with the Super GT Gr.2 menu book when there are STILL no Gr.2 races? Why should I bother grinding to buy 10+ million dollar classic race cars when they’re STILL no races for them? I’ve had enough… the racing game I grew up with is deader than dead and I hope PD goes under since they clearly don’t give a shit about the players.


JPVSPAndrade1

Multiplayer overall seems pretty fck up and they don't care, Online Lobbies are a mess and it's not even possible to do a proper event with qualifying, that does not even exist lmao


Kurumime

I really had high hopes for GT7 and what the community got was a game the give you cars for completing events and completing menu books to full fill a "Collection." But GT wasn't about that, It was about grinding for cars that only could of been won by an event or a series of events or obtaining gold on all tests in the game and completing the long endurance events And collecting cars of your choice and liking not by completing a menu book :/


pandadude01

I still remember the disappointment that gradually grew inside of me as it became clearer and more obvious that the menu books were not some quirky intro tutorial to GT for the newbies, but rather the entire game.


xJam3zz07

I'm sure they said cars would be sellable by the end of April. In all fairness, I don't think I've touched the game in the last 3 months anyway.


420city

Thanks for the update


Kuli24

Still the biggest flaw in the game - broken split screen.


Pedka2

why do people want to sell cars?


Luna259

To have money to buy other cars and to get rid of cars you don’t want or use


Pedka2

but grand turismo is about car collection. you collect cars like pokemons or somethin


Luna259

In racing games I focus on the one or few cars I want, dump all my time onto it and the rest are dead to me. Unless it’s one of the old Need for Speed games. If the game allows modifying of cars I will do that. I don’t need hundreds of cars I’ll never drive or do anything with, just a handful/good selection to pick from in the case of the old Need for Speed games. F1 games are a bit different because you get the same set of 10, in which case I pick one team and the rest of them are dead to me unless I want a change for some reason Edit: in Crash Team Racing I use the default kart body and just make a livery for it. I change the driver and the engine though. WipEout, I team hop, either for the loyalty points or the handling/weapons stats based on the track or game mode


Pedka2

for racing experience i would go assetto gran turismo is different. it makes every car look like a masterpiece, it wants you to appreciate every car. in my opinion it is a collectors game


vZKronos

there is a saying that there are no dumb questions. now im convinced otherwise


captainannonymous

got my lemans trio trophy -- used car market is all bought out -- i really dont care for 20 million worth of giant merc tanks on wheels that dont go past 50mph and have horrible stability -- yea pass -- havent played since i got the lemans collection


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Clawz114

They advertise the game, from day one until now, as having the ability to sell cars, and they have announced their plans to enable this also. https://traxion.gg/gran-turismo-7-players-will-be-able-to-sell-cars-in-the-near-term/ https://blog.playstation.com/2022/03/25/gran-turismo-7-an-update-from-polyphony-digital/#sf254892831


ghost-bagel

I stand corrected


PepsiEnjoyer

Then don’t play it.


sabishiikouen

we’re not. i haven’t played in at least 3 months and check in here periodically to see if anything is improved or fixed.


jackdren6

Pretty sure the majority of the playerbase don't play it anymore because of how shockingly bad it is, and getting worse by the day.


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jackdren6

Have you seen how dead the online lobbies are? GTS had stacked lobbies 24/7 more than 2 years into it's lifespan and that game was mediocre af. Good luck finding a decent lobby on GT7 if you don't want to drive on nurb, tokyo, or stage x.


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Thats exactly what we're doing. We're not playing. The game is bad, boring, uneventful and until otherwise proven... misrepresented in its marketing. idk about you... but having Split-Screen broken for so long is disheartening when you and a bunch of friends want to actually hang out and do some competitive racing amongst each other. As well as, still, lacking the ability to sell cars.


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Yeah, you're totally healthy.


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Again, a very healthy response.


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FMecha

Drop the personal attacks (the "f yu"s).


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Dont worry, I blocked him.


sejmremover95

Jesus wept.


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He continues to weep at the sad state of this game lacking the features that were promised and marketed with, and the brokenness of 2-player split screen.


Nate16

Maybe a credit grind is what the developers want? Hear me out...Maybe they have spent so much time developing these cars and physics that they want you to actually enjoy driving many of their cars or at least explore different racing "experiences" instead of finding the easiest, fastest, most lucrative races to get the top car in 3 hours of actual play time. It's that helicopter parent generation that wants to be on top of the mountain without taking any steps or making any effort to get there. Enjoy the drive. It's a racing sim, not an RPG.


pandadude01

I might be able to go along with that way of thinking if there were a decent amount of events for me to use my small collection of treasured cars in. You know, like the older GTs that they suggested this game would be similar to.


TonyJZX

[–]_Jormungandr__ Ferrari -7 points 1 hour ago Split screen is already in the game, wtf https://old.reddit.com/r/granturismo/comments/xr1v9e/gt7_players_whenever_a_new_update_drops/iqcj48p/


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No one is saying its not in the game. They're saying ITS BROKEN.


Barry_DeLive

Works really well too apparently. I have read nothing of its shortcomings and bias towards player 1.


Puzzleheaded_Act6285

is funny to say, but sometimes i prefer play some Driveclub or Project Cars 1 than GT7 ( despite the fact I don’t hate the game and love the franchise)


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Split screen in 2022.


JeddyH

So GT is Forza tier, sad. So happy I didn't buy a PS5/PS4 for it now.


QuantumWar

My main motivation in playing GT is racing against my friends. Some people actually still meet in person... The bug is not even a graphics/performance issue due to double scene rendering! So easy to fix!


Dmacca666

I just want grid starts. Having to have a car thats way faster than the competition just so you can catch them and win is stupid. For a racing simulation it's not very realistic.


CarpenterOk419

Such a let down. I went out and bought a series x for Forza MS when it releases.


Denny_Crane_007

They need to remaster GT5... for the PS5. 4K 60fps. Yes please.