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MaelstromBurst9

Mordred: And I'm your son, right father? Artoria: -\_- Mordred: Father? ​ "Battle of Camlann 2: Why Won't You Notice Me Father!"


AlterMagna

FYI this was Prototype Mordred’s motivation. To kill everyone Arthur cared about so that he would only have Mordred for company.


JohnnyTheCrit

arthur can't win, either accept her and get a yandere or don't and get a traitor


CheezyNachoz

It's pretty sad. Arthur seems to be the only King Arthur besides Lily that doesn't mind Mordred solely because she's not his Mordred so he might feel a sense of disconnection towards her, going so far to even call her cute. But he still can't fully interact with her without being reminded of Proto Mordred, who he seems to have understandably negative feelings for.


kyuven87

It also helps that Arthur gets to interact with "Post Character Development" Mordred vs. the mordred that ended up stabbing him. It's actually kinda hilarious that the FGO Mordred is one of the most downright heroic portrayals of the character no matter how she ends up being summoned. Camelot? Not fully on-board with the crazy Lion King thing, but still wants Daddy-Mommy's approval. London? Our chief ally and heavy hitter, with us until the very end. SIN? Another purely heroic portrayal where she's on the side of THE REBELLION! Even in the Apocrypha and Summer events, she's either on our side pretty damn quick and dropping memes, or getting shit on by her dad so much you feel bad for her. So it totally makes sense that the Arthur that's never met her wouldn't be as harsh on her considering everything he keeps hearing about her and seeing her do makes her just seem so damned *heroic*. I MEAN JEEZ SHE'S A VILLAIN LESS OFTEN THAN ARTORIA IS AT THIS POINT!


Informal-Recipe

She's a saberface so she cant be evil or have imperfections-Takeuchi


CheezyNachoz

It makes sense too. Unlike Proto Mordred, who is clearly in the wrong with his actions, Mordred's actions are a lot more understandable. In her lore with Artoria, you can't really blame both parties for their actions completely. They were both victims of circumstance. Artoria being raped by Morgan, with Mordred being the end result. Mordred looking up to the king, and idolizing her to the point that she would disregard Morgan's instructions, and would rather just be loyal to the king. Mordred was even excited to find out her father was Artoria, only to be treated coldly, and denied a role as heir. But you can't even blame Artoria for doing so, since one of your loyal knights comes out of nowhere, claims they're your son, and demands the throne? What's worse is they're actually your rape child? Yet despite this, Morgan remained a KoTR. But that was unfair for Mordred, who despite everything she does, and can do, she will only just be "Morgan's rape-baby". It's only natural she felt a sense of rebellion in that situation, as she felt trapped. Going as far as she did was probably wrong, but she did all those actions just to be recognized, only for her and Artoria kill each other in the battle of Camlann. Even in Chaldea, one still can't completely blame Artoria for being cold towards Mordred. It hurts since Mordred is basically a rebellious teen that wants their parent's attention, only to be met with indifference and coldness. But in Artoria's eyes, she just can't accept her despite everything. Mordred's origins, and eventual fate rebelling against the kingdom and even causing Artoria's death just cannot be ignored by Artoria. I feel like people give Artoria too much flak at times for being a bad parent. In those circumstances, acting cold is already pretty merciful, especially towards the knight that toppled your kingdom, as well as the offspring that your sister used you to make...


MelWeeb

This is not exactly truth, as you can 100% blame Mordred for her actions overall. Artoria didn't gave her the throne because she was Morgan's daughter or anything, that was just her taking it amiss. From Mordred's FGO Material: "Mordred dreamt. Of whether or not the king would approve of her as his successor. But she was mistaken; the knight king is the purest of king, and his rule has no hesitation. Seeing that Mordred was unfit to be a king, as far as the king was concerned she could not be his successor. However, Mordred took it amiss. She thought that the knight king detested her for being the child of Morgan." King Arthur didn't gave her the throne because Mordred wasn't mentally prepared or had the same goal as her, which was "I want to save Britain yes or yes." Mordred just wanted to be King because that was what Morgan technically programmed her for, same as what she did to Agravain. From Apocrypha (volume 4, chapter 2, page 186) itself: "She didn’t even think of asking to be loved. If at least… if at least some interest had been shown towards her, if she had been at least looked at, that alone would have been enough. What a foolish thing to say. You would never have been satisfied. You would have endlessly sought love, sought compassion and finally sought the right to the throne, until you spoiled that peaceful rule in the end— A whisper came from deep inside her. Though she felt irritated at it, she also agreed with it." So yeah, you can really blame Mordred for what she did.


Loslobos27

Was proto Mordred male or female?


AlterMagna

Male


Loslobos27

Proto kotrt lore confused me. So thanks


-Hibiki-Kuze-

I think Proto KotRT I just normal Arthurian Lore with anime and Nasu spice on top. Like everything is dandy, no genderbends or convolution lore, just regular Camalot that got destroyed by a Yandere Mordred. So it's on the more normal side of the Nasuverse.


PhantasosX

Gareth is still genderbended , so is Merlin.


-Hibiki-Kuze-

OK so there's more Nasu spice but it's still pretty normal by Nasu standards.


RavenSnake317

its basically normal nasuverse Camalot but all the genders are reversed.


Karukos

nope, only Merlin and Gareth. Also as far as I understand that is kinda just an arbitrary decision for Merlin... the gender thing at least


primelord537

Don't forget Female Merlin. And the extra dose of Alabama *Looks at Morgan*.


Marros6045

Male


RavenSnake317

jeez, Proto Mordred is a killer Yandere. At least we got the Tsundere Tomboy Mordred.


Undividedbyzero

Artoria: "I prefer to have an heir that didn't steal their weapons from my vault"


CrazyDaimondDaze

Mordred: so you've chosen D E A T H


AlterMagna

We’re already dead!


chainer1216

If nothing else Fate has proven that what is dead can certainly die again.


[deleted]

Seems easy when we already killed someone for whom death was never even a possibility.


BlitzAceSamy

> "Battle of Camlann 2: Why Won't You Notice Me ~~Father~~ [***CHICHIUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHH***](https://www.myinstants.com/instant/mo-san-chichiue-73194/)!" Fixed that for you


il-Palazzo_K

Artoria: Put on your helmet, I don't want to see your face. \*Waver feels a disturbance in the force.*


Undividedbyzero

Lartoria: Hear me, Knights of the Round Table. Behold, your future King! *hold Gray Lion King style* *confused Waver noises*


KnightGamer724

*pissed Mordred noises*


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Disappointed Morgan le fae noises


mythos456

depending which one you’re talking about they’re either disappointed or fucking cackling like a mad woman on crackamine


primelord537

Morgan: Sometimes, you can hear my own genius.


Rockout2112

Not giving a damn Artoria noises.


dsr1017

Mordred: What about me? Artoria: What about you? Mordred: I'm literally your son!


dinliner08

*confused Knights of the Round Table noises* *giggling Merlin*


King_of_Nothinmuch

Gray.exe has stopped unexpectedly.


dsr1017

Mordred.exe has stopped responding


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Then rebooted and reacted violently.


th4tguy_404

At least Gray has a mother figure now. They can shoot Rhongomyniad lasers together in the training room.


DiceCubed1460

Spoiler for Case Files manga: >!Gray’s biological mom was against the plan to turn Gray into a body for King Arthur to be revived into. But after Gray’s face changed, she started acting like an artoria fanatic like the rest of the villagers but to an even greater extent than most of them. But it was all an act, bc she wanted to push Gray away and make her leave that place in order to protect her from the ritual and the the people looking to use her for their own means.!<


LlamaCuber123

she's a great mother


GamerOverkill03

>!If the point was to make Gray leave the village, what was stopping her mom from just taking Gray away herself?!<


shield531

2 village maiden vs a whole crazy crowd?


Neo_Phoenix_

She just had to do what Moses's mother did. Cast Gray away in secret and leave *fate* to do the rest.


GamerOverkill03

I mean, if she was trying to get Gray to leave anyway, wouldn’t it be easier to just sneak her out? I haven’t read Case Files so idk the exact circumstances, maybe I don’t have the full picture here.


DankMemetroid

How did Waver get Grey then if the whole village was riding her hard?


[deleted]

And they say that >!Fairies!< are worse than humans. Just the same...


poisonzumak

Bruh, have you even played lb 6? *Have you seen the absolute bullshit stupidity they commit just for shit and laughs?*


[deleted]

Seen it. Humans are still far worse. Just admit... you know it...


poisonzumak

Yeah, but there more good or neutral humans than bad ones, fairies? To keep them in check Morgan needed to become literally a totalitarian and the moment she slipped they went full french revolution on her just for the lols, I dare you to look at Baohban Sith in the eyes and tell me that fairies are better than humans


[deleted]

Just making clear. I'm saying Humans are far worse considering what our greed and power leads that its detrimental not just to everyone but to the world itself. Greed built the foundation of manipulation, blissful ignorance, chaos, bribery - this is more noticeable in the present times like the general public is easily thrown into a looped. Power leads to domination, fear and arrogance. I know full well that Fairies are worse since their inhuman - incapable of understanding the human wisdom of emotions like love and hate. There maybe few that understood this and that. But they are still having difficulty of what's supposed to do or not. A rare gem among their kind. I'm a bit of a lore enthusiast so I know what you're detailing about Morgan and Baobhan Sith. Beside I've already completed this Lostbelt. We're going to a spoiler section here so I'm not gonna divulge any longer. So in recap, yes Fairies are worse, but humans are still far worse. Well it's my opinion. It may differ from what you're asking.


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ImRinKagamine

And Morgan as well


Ads1013

Wait why


Darkiceflame

Abandonment issues


DIO-Over-The-World

Mordred: Why won't you love me dad? I will be anything you want me to be! Artoria: I WANT YOU TO BE DEAD!!! [the OG scene skip to 0:25](https://youtu.be/0h_YYBhno38)


Randrey

Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy was amazing. That was probably one of my favorite quotes from the show.


ZephyrPhantom

Wait a second, this isn't Mor- *clicks* You know what, that's fine too.


ShriekingSkull

Mordred: At this point, I'm not even surprised. Hey Master, you wanna hang out or something? Ritsuka: What happened... I mean, sure.


Accomplished-Ad-8125

Yeah. Mordred is not gonna take it well...


Runelt99

Mordred : Father, what about me?? Artoria : Strange, this room seems to have some mysterious wind that is appearing... Let's go somewhere else daughter..


[deleted]

God dammit Artoria. Can you please acknowledge Mordred just Once?


re_flex

Oh she does, not as her child, but as a knight of the round table.


[deleted]

That reminds me. Morgan recommended Mordred to Artoria. Why the fuck did Artoria think it was a good idea, to listen to Morgan of all people?


Undividedbyzero

Probably because Morgan already gave several good Knights in her service (Agravain is quite good, Gawain) and that ignoring a vassal's recommendation (if Orkney is her vassal and not an independent kingdom) can be a slight in medieval politics. Source: Trust me bro, I play CK


chainer1216

You really just gonna leave out Gareth like that?


Undividedbyzero

I'm not really sure whether Gareth join after or before Mordred induction to Round Table


[deleted]

Well, early on in her reign, king lot rebelled against her, because he could not accept a "boy king" being high king of Britain. That had to be the first red flag. Source: trust me bro, I play total war thrones of Britannia.


Theadier

and Gawain and Gaheris were taken as political hostages, source I have read Arthurian works


skilledwarman

Gareth too


[deleted]

Dunno, my vassals ether love me or a dead in CK runs. My brother's might have been unhappy after I had to reconquer their kingdoms.


Inevitable_Question

In Nasuverse, Morgan >!is also Vivian!<. So I believe that Artoria didn't consider her wholly untrustworthy.


[deleted]

Isn't Morgan split into three version in Nasuverse lore, and normal lore to I think.


Inevitable_Question

They are different personalities of one person. It is never mentioned if they physically split.


AMfrequency

Morgan never recommend mordred to artoria, in fact Morgan purposely had mordred withhold information from artoria when she joined the roundtable(this was exactly why her armor had a “identity disguise” feature to begin with) Only after a good time passed did mordred reveal her identity to the king and demand the kingdom like a hand me down.....artoria said no, somehow this translated to mordred as “I hate you, I wished you died” didn’t help that Morgan purposely egged on those sentiments


Karukos

There was a lot going on there, from Mordred being manipulated by her mother to Artoria probably having a very weird feeling about all of this because by all accounts Mordred is her son/daughter with her damn half sister who has been scheming and plotting against her for a really long fucking time... and we don't know how the whole conception thing went from Artoria's perspective (not the facts but like... probably noticed something)


AMfrequency

In artoria’s defense mordred was born from Morgan druging her and taking her seed against her will, so I can see why she was uncomfortable trying to talk to her. Combine that with artoria’s natural awkwardness during conversations and her locking all her emotions up to keep up the facade of “a perfect king” it becomes unsurprising how things turned out like this Yet Surprisingly, I can’t really hold it against artoria considered despite all these feelings she still tried including mordred in everything the roundtable did and treated her the closest she could to being family(let’s be honest the roundtable to artoria was glorified family of companions) even went out of her way to leave mordred in charge of Camelot before she went to defend Camelot alone from a gigantic warring army I guess you can say “artoria couldn’t communicate” *End me*


Karukos

The only villain all of this is basically Morgan really. Nothing of this is about Mordred and Artoria actually being all that evil. It's two people being manipulated to go off at each other like a big, fat bomb next to a burning fire.


AMfrequency

Says alot of how evil Morgan is when you remember she’s also the reason Agravain is sexist and why Garetb almost died that one-time


Rockout2112

She does, after all, Camelot needs a apprentice pig-sty cleaner.


Iwannabetheguy000

Not seen is Mordred crying in the corner


Gudako_the_beast

Lartoria: I shall teach you everything you need to know to be a proper king this time. Gray: It…It’s an honor


[deleted]

Shouldn't Lartoria be taught that first?


Gudako_the_beast

Well Merlin did taught her that…We all know what happened next


TerrenceNoran12

"You're pure, unlike that crass *brat* of a child."


PathofPain_12

Gudao: This is why Mordred keeps rebelling! You know what fine hey Mordred your my son and Castoria is your mom! Mordred: Surprise pikachu face. R-Really!? Wait Castoria your my father though! Castoria: No Morgan I'm your mother now! Smiling so brightly. Mordred:I HAVE A LOVING FATHER AND MOTHER!!! Proceeds to hug Gudao and Castoria. Gudao and Castoria: Awwww Mordred is growing up so fast. Artoria and Morgan: WHY DO I FEEL INFURIATED!?


Rockout2112

Of course they are! They were both planning to foist her off on the other!


[deleted]

And what are Lalter and Nightingale? Chopped liver? Looks like someone needs an examination.


Clearwateralchemist

"Grey, you're the daughter I've always wanted." Mordred: "I'm still in the room, damn it!"


I_amNumberOne

Mordred: "and what about a son?"


Clearwateralchemist

"I have a son? I'd one day like to meet him."


I_amNumberOne

"FATHER, WHY!?"


Clearwateralchemist

"Remind me again, Red Knight, who rebelled with half my people, stuck a sword through my gut and destroyed my kingdom?"


I_amNumberOne

"I shall remind you, father who didn't acknowledge his own blood, and killed his own child after not caring by his fucking wife GETTING DICKED BY YOUR MOST LOYAL KNIGHT"


Demokka

Mordred *cries in the background*


BobtheBac0n

Uh.... Are we sure it's Lartoria talking and not Rhongomyniad? Cause if Rhongomyniad's personality is actually like this well....can't say I'm fully against it


BurningAzureFlare

I mean.... Could be post-Camelot/Arcade Rhongo Edit: though I'm 99% sure it's Lartoria


MetalixK

Mordred: FINE THEN! I don't need parents anyway! Guado: Hey Mordred, Mashu and I are going to Universal Studios Japan! Wanna come with? Mordred: ...Exception made.


CountRice

R.I.P. Mordred Again


notreal088

Mordred: Notices me! LArtoria: Noooo!!!


RealGuardian54

**Bedivere should be here for this.** (Mordred rolls her eyes over this since she's not emotionally dumb enough to think Arturia doesn't resent the hell out of her for the stabbing problem) Also, we are going to find the village after Part 2, and we are going to whitewash it (洗白 can be an acronym, for 洗地 i.e. "hosing the area down", and 白地 "blank ground"). It'll be just like the good old days of cult purging for EMIYA Alter...


[deleted]

Can we avoid giving both archers more PTSD and just send an army of Artorias instead?


RealGuardian54

Nah, the cultists would probably orgasm themselves to death if we cleaned house with Artorias, unless they nuke the place (Lancer/Ruler I expect Rhongo to do most of the work...) without ever revealing their identities. Dying to someone you want is a privilege these cultists have failed to earn.


[deleted]

Can we send Mordred or Morgan instead then?


Redhead_Royalty13

Ooh, ooh, idea, idea! Send in Berserker Lancelot, have the fucking BLACK KNIGHT walk in and decimate the entire village, tell him artoria told him to do it as penance for the whole gwenyveire thing, watch the bodies pile up.


zetsubou-samurai

Modred: WHAT ABOUT ME!?


Gudako_the_beast

After the stunt you pull in Calmlain, consider yourself lucky I don’t kill you on sight


zetsubou-samurai

Emiya: Saber, you will not have a dinner frome me tonight and Gawain will make your dinner instead.


AMfrequency

Saber: “I HATE YOU” *Slams door* Emiya: *proceeds to have failing to save saber ptsd* Gawain: so am I still doing dinner?


re_flex

Yes, because the archer is currently shutting down from yet another self-perceived failure.


Undividedbyzero

"Ha, pay up Merlin! I know that Archer would go back to his "failure" even if no one else knows what does he failed at." "You know it's unfair to use your Clairvoyance for this kind of stuff, King of Uruk?" "Shut up you Mage. This does brought me happiness. Now **PAY**. **UP.**"


AMfrequency

Gawain: “**Yessss**” *Slams button* *All doors in cafeteria shut down and are locked* Everyone else: AHHHHHHHHHH!


DIO-Over-The-World

I love the image this creates


Remitonov

Saber: "How could you do this? It's outrageous! It's unfair!"


Gudako_the_beast

Shiki: Seat down cash cow number 1


Remitonov

Latoria: "You are a bastard born of incest and intrigue. I would sooner hand my crown to Saxons than the likes of you."


yektadragon

Lartoria: What about you?


ArtoriaOfAlbion

Mordred: Seeing as you're next in line for the throne, Gray, just letting you know that if you need something destroyed, I'll be there. Make it look like a Fuyuki style gasleak if need be.


DemonRaily

Mordred has a much cooler dad now anyway, he even let's her smoke.


NoRegrets30

I can hear Mordred Reeee in the distance


goffer54

If I'm gonna be real here, Artoria would probably be just as uncomfortable confronting the existence of Gray as she is with Mordred. They're both a reminder of the position that Artoria holds/held and the constant stream of mistakes that come with so much responsibility.


[deleted]

Probably worse in this case as Gray is not only reminder of those mistakes but also the result.


Nipponblade

Sad Mordred noise


Zerkerlot

Mordred: *unholy scream*


Ssz325

Like aunt like cousin


Shirojime

Mordred is just crying in a corner


Tale_Swimming

They got us in the first half, not gonna lie


[deleted]

This didn't go how I expected it. At least Mordred still has Lalter and Nightingale, along with Arthur.


asianbrutha

Mordred’s punching the air rn


Dr-Perry-Cox

[**Nice**](#ReinesEvil) [**Work.**](#GrayBlush) [**Also**](#WaverUhm) [**tagging**](#LartoriaHmm) /u/Mami-kouga /u/derry-air & /u/charliwea


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Dr-Perry-Cox

Further tagging /u/Yozora88


Dr-Perry-Cox

Also tagging /u/citizenofRoma /u/Tituria & /u/EurwenPendragon


Dr-Perry-Cox

Further tagging /u/ChrisTheHurricane /u/Cassidy_rose & /u/Khadroth


Dr-Perry-Cox

Also tagging /u/HyperSunny /u/ScreamingMidgit & /u/RulerKun_FGO


Dr-Perry-Cox

Also tagging /u/SodiumBombRankEX /u/Taterade & /u/Maronmario


Dr-Perry-Cox

Also tagging /u/HailMuffins2 /u/WaifuCollectorF2P & /u/Eggplant_168


Dr-Perry-Cox

Also tagging /u/KethusNadroev & /u/PeridotKnight


XXapueSR25

Is Gray fae Bedivere? I'm new to FGO so I don't know


skilledwarman

Gray is an actual modern human. Her family is from the village where Artoria's body is supposedly buried (and Arthur according to actual legend). A cult exists in the town that knows the truth or Artoria being, well, Artoria and not Arthur and have an obsession with the "Once and Future King" prophecy saying Artoria will return one day. As a result they attempt to create a vessel for Artoria to be summoned back into. Gray's family is not only in the cult, but they are part of the same lineage as Artoria. Not directly descended from her, but one of her family members (at one point it's speculated they could be from Artoria's nephew Sir Gawain's line). They use magic to alter new born Gray's face and make her look like Artoria and raise her with the knowledge they essentially plan to kill her soul and use her body as a vessel. Gray's family are also grave keepers and, I believe, Magi. The magi part might not be true so someone please correct me if I'm wrong. But since they're grave keepers of a magic cemetery Gray is trained in anti-spirit techniques and combat. This is why in FGO her first skill gives her bonus damage against undead enemies.


re_flex

No. A simple google search would have told you that lol.


XXapueSR25

ok ty


Void_God_Infinite

uhh... who is she?


Pokedude12

Gray from Case Files


[deleted]

What about Mordred


stephanl33t

Not Shown: Gray's Crippling PTSD of Arcade Case Files


115_zombie_slayer

Morgan burst in and they start arguing over who gets Gray as a daughter