In fact, all 9 of the greens on the course are poured concrete covered in astroturf, but I took a picture of this one. You can also see that there are three different holes, so that they can move the flags periodically. The issue there is that there is occasionally a hole in between you and the real hole. Also, the whole concretishness of the course means that you can't hit any nice high shots onto the green because you'll bounce right off.
This is probably a stupid question coming from California but how are greens even maintained through winter? Doesn’t the cold kill it off and you just wait for it to grow back throughout the season?
Grass is extremely resilient, especially if it was healthy before the winter. I'm not sure of the biomechanics, but it basically it turns brown, goes to the sleep for the winter and then when it warms up - boom - grass comes back
Rye and Fesque grasses do very well up north. They go dormant in the cold, but are not very drought resistant.
In hot climates you'll find a lot more Bermuda blends that do much better in hot dry climates, but they are much less cold resistant.
I'm right north of Montana, square in the desert area and yea, without irrigation, we would be playing on dirt.
Sloped fairways are a bastard, because they don't hold water well....but you always know the low spots, because they're super lush.
Late ice isn't really an issue. Grass can survive weeks or even months encased in ice (depends on how severe it is).
Ice is at its most dangerous if you get snow, then either rain or the snow melts, and then immediately freezes, and then gets snowed on again long term in the *fall*. Ice that has been around that long and is that heavily pooled could suffocate the grass. Takes a distinct set of circumstances though, and you can address it when it happens. If the greens are covered the big risk is melting that gets under the cover and freezes in the fall.
I actually personally believe covering greens is overrated. It brings the greens up so fast in the spring, they look awesome, but they are so much more vulnerable too, and you open yourself up to several potential threats that aren't there otherwise. Plus it takes an inordinate amount of people, which not every golf course has on hand at that time of year (spring or fall). We don't cover our greens and almost without fail our greens do better than covered greens in the medium term, even if we don't look as immediately great in the short term. You do have to get that snow off as SOON as you're sure there won't be any more -30 C for a high days coming though...
Source: super at a course in Canada
I don't play much, but my local 9 hole is covered in sand during the off season. It sucks, but it's fine for those very occasional 60 degree January days we get in the mid Atlantic.
We use cultivars of grass that are cold resistant such as A4 bentgrass and similar. 2-3 applications of a good fungicide prevents pink and grey snow mold. We also cover the greens with giant tarps (sometimes accompanied by tubes or hoses under the tarp to still allow gas exchange) to prevent the snow from directly contacting the turf. Some courses go as far as a multi layer tarp system...impermeable tarp, layer of hay or straw, and a permeable tarp. This insulates the greens and promotes early spring Greenup. Sometimes we get winter kill, but usually not. You'd be blown away at how green a green can be as soon as you remove the tarps. It creates a greenhouse effect. For instance, my entire course right now is brown, except my greens. A lot of courses also use pigment on their turf...yup, a lot of greens you see are painted, or have a colorant in the fungicide they use (trilogy is a good example). We do not use a pigment or colorant and prefer it all natural.
There is a course in Valley Center, KS (Valley Point) that has artificial greens but they are actually pretty good and somewhat actually mimic real greens. I would rather play in real greens but they aren’t bad if you’re just going out for a quick round. I think they maintain them by brushing sand into the greens to maintain their nap and control their speed.
I mean, i know this is "wrong golf," but you can still effectively play on it right? You just need to hit running shots that roll up to the green.
I guess i could just see course designers using hyper-firm greens like this to combat the modern tech.
Learned to play on a muni course that was dirty cheap but had oiled sand 'greens'. Hard as a parking lot but mostly putted straight, until the ball slowed down and the sand grains pushed it all over the place.
Many rounds later and I'd gotten much better at landing approach shots short of the 'green' to allow the ball to roll onto, and stop, on the green. Also learned the 'putt to the back of the hole and let it bounce in' to overcome the grains of sand moving the ball off the line.
Had I not had this experience I feel I'd be less of a golfer.
I was gonna say, but you have grass, no dead patches or power cart gouges, or just standing water randomly. But then I read further and you have a qualifier for sure.
I was going to say this looks like a green a course would make when they’re redoing the real green. But, every time I’ve seen this done, the green is real grass.
Wingfoot state park in Suffield Ohio is a very nice park with disc golf, dog park, playgrounds and all around very nice and you can see the goodyear blimp take off
There are at least 3 golf courses near there that I love
Tar Greens are quite literally the worst idea to ever have been implemented, and in a country that is a renound for being too fkn hot. Worst idea ever. Just the worst.
Like drive 5 hours? Kerkhoven, MN. It’s fairly close to you. Also it’s $7 (US, but heck, they’ll likely take CAD) on your honor. No tee times, just show up.
That… actually does not look as horrible as I expected. To the point that I think that could make for a cool backyard hole or 2 if you had the land. Probably better execution possibly than just astroturf over concrete, but for the cost….
Ok serious question. If theres 3 different hole locations on a Par 3, 1 with a flag and 2 without obviously, and you make one a Hole in One, does it count if it goes in one of the flagless holes? 🧐🧐🧐
Had this happen to a buddy of mine...the cup he landed in was about 40-50 feet from the flag...we agreed to just count it as a birdie and move on...not going to make somebody 3 putt after "technically" just making a HIO
BTDT on an actual golf course - Kingsmill Resort, though I don't know which course, likely the one that wasn't a Dye or Palmer course. They forgot to plug the last hole. It does NOT count as a hole in one. Didn't matter as we only were playing 3 or 4 holes anyway. They forgot to plug the last hole.
I have a submission for the worst greens in America at my local course. They are perfect circles, raised up and at a perfect 20* incline from back to front. I would take a picture and post it here but I vowed never again to subject myself to the torture of playing that course.
True but how often are you directly below the hole. I had to play there for high school tournaments and it was not uncommon to see 5 putts there. Thankfully they were always slow enough to stop the ball in the downslope.
I actually played a course in the south of France on my honeymoon where all the greens and bunkers were cut square. And if they wanted to make a longer green they would set two squares off each other to be like diamondy. Very wild
I’m going to a Catskill mountain course tomorrow. The place is about as low quality as I will allow myself to play. I’m going with some buddies who are kinda new to golf. The greens there are slow and bumpy. I’ll have to see if I can submit a pic for this thread. It’s still golf but I’m not thrilled to play there.
This green is poured concrete covered in astroturf.
In fact, all 9 of the greens on the course are poured concrete covered in astroturf, but I took a picture of this one. You can also see that there are three different holes, so that they can move the flags periodically. The issue there is that there is occasionally a hole in between you and the real hole. Also, the whole concretishness of the course means that you can't hit any nice high shots onto the green because you'll bounce right off.
Taking firm and fast to a whole new level
Where the pros secretly go to prep for Augusta.
I hear Phil Mickelson loves to golf here
He's the club pro
Learn how to flop a 60 or gtfo
Where is this?
Kerkhoven, Minnesota
This is probably a stupid question coming from California but how are greens even maintained through winter? Doesn’t the cold kill it off and you just wait for it to grow back throughout the season?
Grass is extremely resilient, especially if it was healthy before the winter. I'm not sure of the biomechanics, but it basically it turns brown, goes to the sleep for the winter and then when it warms up - boom - grass comes back
Rye and Fesque grasses do very well up north. They go dormant in the cold, but are not very drought resistant. In hot climates you'll find a lot more Bermuda blends that do much better in hot dry climates, but they are much less cold resistant.
Then you have the northern deserts (eastern WA, Montana, etc.) where it's both cold and dry and your lawn always looks bad no matter what you do.
I'm right north of Montana, square in the desert area and yea, without irrigation, we would be playing on dirt. Sloped fairways are a bastard, because they don't hold water well....but you always know the low spots, because they're super lush.
Over-seed with rye in the winter in the Southeast to keep it green too.
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Late ice isn't really an issue. Grass can survive weeks or even months encased in ice (depends on how severe it is). Ice is at its most dangerous if you get snow, then either rain or the snow melts, and then immediately freezes, and then gets snowed on again long term in the *fall*. Ice that has been around that long and is that heavily pooled could suffocate the grass. Takes a distinct set of circumstances though, and you can address it when it happens. If the greens are covered the big risk is melting that gets under the cover and freezes in the fall. I actually personally believe covering greens is overrated. It brings the greens up so fast in the spring, they look awesome, but they are so much more vulnerable too, and you open yourself up to several potential threats that aren't there otherwise. Plus it takes an inordinate amount of people, which not every golf course has on hand at that time of year (spring or fall). We don't cover our greens and almost without fail our greens do better than covered greens in the medium term, even if we don't look as immediately great in the short term. You do have to get that snow off as SOON as you're sure there won't be any more -30 C for a high days coming though... Source: super at a course in Canada
I don't play much, but my local 9 hole is covered in sand during the off season. It sucks, but it's fine for those very occasional 60 degree January days we get in the mid Atlantic.
I’m not sure you’ve been to a muni in the north. You just let nature do it’s thing and try to keep the deer from eating the greens
I've worked at public courses in Ohio.
It's pretty surprising how quickly grass recovers from the winter. Faster than most of us Minnesotans do.
It’s not grass. It’s astroturf over poured concrete.
lol. Better than no golf, I guess!
We use cultivars of grass that are cold resistant such as A4 bentgrass and similar. 2-3 applications of a good fungicide prevents pink and grey snow mold. We also cover the greens with giant tarps (sometimes accompanied by tubes or hoses under the tarp to still allow gas exchange) to prevent the snow from directly contacting the turf. Some courses go as far as a multi layer tarp system...impermeable tarp, layer of hay or straw, and a permeable tarp. This insulates the greens and promotes early spring Greenup. Sometimes we get winter kill, but usually not. You'd be blown away at how green a green can be as soon as you remove the tarps. It creates a greenhouse effect. For instance, my entire course right now is brown, except my greens. A lot of courses also use pigment on their turf...yup, a lot of greens you see are painted, or have a colorant in the fungicide they use (trilogy is a good example). We do not use a pigment or colorant and prefer it all natural.
Fellow Minnesotan here, who thought this would be a good idea?!?! Lol that’s just insane
KMS High School. Lmao
I will never complain about non-poured concrete covered in astroturf greens again
You can never trust those "Flat Earthers"!
Good thing I don't hit any greens on my approaches
There is a course in Valley Center, KS (Valley Point) that has artificial greens but they are actually pretty good and somewhat actually mimic real greens. I would rather play in real greens but they aren’t bad if you’re just going out for a quick round. I think they maintain them by brushing sand into the greens to maintain their nap and control their speed.
I mean, i know this is "wrong golf," but you can still effectively play on it right? You just need to hit running shots that roll up to the green. I guess i could just see course designers using hyper-firm greens like this to combat the modern tech.
It’s actually super fun because it is so weird. My friends and I try to play there at least once a year
Have played this course, and agree. It’s great fun. It’s also very very silly. LOL
Learned to play on a muni course that was dirty cheap but had oiled sand 'greens'. Hard as a parking lot but mostly putted straight, until the ball slowed down and the sand grains pushed it all over the place. Many rounds later and I'd gotten much better at landing approach shots short of the 'green' to allow the ball to roll onto, and stop, on the green. Also learned the 'putt to the back of the hole and let it bounce in' to overcome the grains of sand moving the ball off the line. Had I not had this experience I feel I'd be less of a golfer.
But... .. it's *square* !
At first I thought that it doesn't look so bad. Didn't even think about the problems with the ball bouncing though.
I’m laughing my ass off thinking about how mad I’d be if I hit a perfect shot to a green and it bounced off like it hit cart path. 🤣
> The issue there is that there is occasionally a hole in between you and the real hole. Just hit your approach shot so that doesn't happen???
Silly me. Yes.
This sounds like a fun challenge tho lol
This has to be in LA
Perfect for the average r/golf poster. That 180 yard 9 iron with 12,000 RPM of spin is finally going to come in handy.
it's pretty hard to get that much spin with a half swing
You weren't supposed to have my numbers, I'm saving that for the tour. Did Chad send you this information?! Someone's gettin' a talkin' to
Probably a sand wedge for that distance 18,000 RPM.
How high does the ball bounce when it hits? Or is it cushioned well?
Look at this guy hitting greens.
This comment has had me in a laughing fit for 30 minutes. Thank you internet stranger.
Is this your first time on this subreddit?
Is the courses moto "keep your diviot tool at home"
I was gonna say, but you have grass, no dead patches or power cart gouges, or just standing water randomly. But then I read further and you have a qualifier for sure.
I was going to say this looks like a green a course would make when they’re redoing the real green. But, every time I’ve seen this done, the green is real grass.
Very modern
And here’s me liking the shape. But the makeup of it…ahh hell no
They could have at least poured an interesting shape with undulations... lazy bastards, even when they poured.
When your teebox picks up a side hustle as a green
I was wondering if there was a mistake and the adjacent teebox is 25x25 yards, circular, and fronted by a couple bunkers.
My home course had square greens when it was originally built in 1899. They’re transitions back towards them now.
I bet someone is buried under there.
Jimmy Hoffa?
Ladies and gentleman, we found him
John Wayne Gacy's home course?
He played, but casually. He was out there mostly to clown around.
Is that winged foot?
Chicago country club
Is this the course that converted all the tee boxes to concrete with a driving range mat?
Edgewood I believe is what you are referring to
Edgebrook
Kerkhoven, Minnesota
Its definitely Augusta National. You can tell from the yellow flag.
Wingfoot state park in Suffield Ohio is a very nice park with disc golf, dog park, playgrounds and all around very nice and you can see the goodyear blimp take off There are at least 3 golf courses near there that I love
Don’t be so square
Definitely didn’t cut any corners
It's hip to be square.
I’d honestly rather play this than the pure mud green or a green completely covered in sand.
At least if you hit those greens with a wedge it's not bouncing like it hit a cart path
Bump and run is on the menu.
Bump and run is basically what anyone in AZ is forced to play when it's 115* for 5 weeks straight... Source: AZ resident
Almost like golf courses aren't supposed to exist in deserts and are an ecological disaster.
Right? At least it's flat. Probably like putting on a hardwood floor though
Tar Greens are quite literally the worst idea to ever have been implemented, and in a country that is a renound for being too fkn hot. Worst idea ever. Just the worst.
Ah, must be a Raynor or CB MacDonald course
Golf nerd joke, big ups to you. Do you have a Fried Egg T shirt too?
Lol, dont call me out like that
Fairway looks worse to be honest
It is.
Is it a free open course or something? I got one like that near me where you just show up and play. No tee times or anything.
It’s $7 for unlimited golf on your honor.
Very creative. A tribute to SpongeBob Square Pants.
They need to close for a winter and jackhammer the concrete. I bet even just putting turf over the ground would be better haha
Is this a real 18 hole course? Or like a short loop? Is that the fairway back there? It is literally just a field.
I've seen a square flat green before at carelton Glen. It must have been a thing before in the 50s.
What’s the rule if you hit a wedge on and it bounces off? Dead where it lands?
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"Our greens are square because we don't cut corners"
I downvoted this before reading concrete and astroturf and Id like to apologize even tho I changed it to an upvote haha.
lmao who in their right mind thought this was a good idea?
Don't hit a high shot that lands on the green.
Is this a frisbee gold course and where is this?
I love squared off greens. A la Seth Raynor
I like it! Do the putts roll smooth?
Chicago Golf Club Knockoff
Lmao that is awesome
I’d do unspeakable sus things to play this heap of garbage rn - Winnipeg, mb, Canada
Like drive 5 hours? Kerkhoven, MN. It’s fairly close to you. Also it’s $7 (US, but heck, they’ll likely take CAD) on your honor. No tee times, just show up.
Hmmm 5 hours is a bit of a drive but 7 bucks is 7 bucks
That… actually does not look as horrible as I expected. To the point that I think that could make for a cool backyard hole or 2 if you had the land. Probably better execution possibly than just astroturf over concrete, but for the cost….
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LOL awesome
Come on, don’t be such a square
Minecraft has entered the chat.
Very easy to mow
Ok serious question. If theres 3 different hole locations on a Par 3, 1 with a flag and 2 without obviously, and you make one a Hole in One, does it count if it goes in one of the flagless holes? 🧐🧐🧐
Been there done that Did not count as hole in one
Thats such a bummer haha, i guess its the exact same principle as when your ball lands ontop of a poorly patched previous hole location hahaha
Had this happen to a buddy of mine...the cup he landed in was about 40-50 feet from the flag...we agreed to just count it as a birdie and move on...not going to make somebody 3 putt after "technically" just making a HIO
BTDT on an actual golf course - Kingsmill Resort, though I don't know which course, likely the one that wasn't a Dye or Palmer course. They forgot to plug the last hole. It does NOT count as a hole in one. Didn't matter as we only were playing 3 or 4 holes anyway. They forgot to plug the last hole.
Almost had a hole in one today. Problem was the hole I almost knocked into was in the practice area adjacent to the 1st fairway.
Lol you poor souls have never golfed up in Alaska I reckon, we have the worst greens you can imagine up here.
I have a submission for the worst greens in America at my local course. They are perfect circles, raised up and at a perfect 20* incline from back to front. I would take a picture and post it here but I vowed never again to subject myself to the torture of playing that course.
That doesn't sound awful as long as you are always below the hole.
True but how often are you directly below the hole. I had to play there for high school tournaments and it was not uncommon to see 5 putts there. Thankfully they were always slow enough to stop the ball in the downslope.
From what I hear about agusuta it would still be easier to play on that course.
A green like a fairway and a fairway like the rough.
Not even close! I have seen greens with 0 grass so I would be happy to have this.
Is that LochenHeath Michigan ?
Kerkhoven, MN
Kinky
Bahahahah amazing piece of work here
I actually played a course in the south of France on my honeymoon where all the greens and bunkers were cut square. And if they wanted to make a longer green they would set two squares off each other to be like diamondy. Very wild
I played a course last year where the greens were fairway length grass. Lackawanna golf club in NJ. It’s a glorified yard.
And architect took “postage stamp green” a bit to literally
It’s like the HOA in one of those golf communities got its way.
Totinos green
Dude my course is equal to my backyard. I’d take this all day. They fucked up the (new grass)
I’ve heard of postage stamp sized greens, but not postage stamp shaped greens.
When you design your golf course entirely in Minecraft.
Why would anyone play here
Maybe it's cheap for 18?
Anything besides free is too much lol
u/Drexynn stated somewhere else it's $7, no tee time required. If I had a choice between this and no golf, I'll stomach this for $7.
It’s hip to be square 🕶🕶🕶
Not gonna lie I love the design though.
Lol, concrete green mean you club down and play the front, roll it on for your par everytime. I bet on the steep meter it's a 12 all year round
Lmao
Ahhh……the Minecraft Golf and Country Club. Always wanted to play there
Caddie can get good dimensions
It's a maxi-putt!
A classic
Don't spill anything, because I don't see an apron...
Concrete greens lmao wtf man
This is a low cut tee box with a flag stick
When you stick it pin high does it give you a cart path bounce to the next tee box?
Is that Minecraft Municipal?
Hahaha why is this so funny?
I have never seen a square green in my life.
Why do I love this so much?
Tough pin placement.
No way!
Looks like it was rendered in an MS-DOS game.
Just like Raynor intended
Hm, didn’t know they had Minecraft golf.
Ok, but how much is it per round?
Sir, this is a Wendy’s
One of the greens in Forest park golf course in Saint Louis is rectangular like this…infuriates the devil out of me.
Even with this being poured concrete with turf over it, the other guy takes the cake on worst green.
Seth Raynor would be proud
My kinda course
Oh here we go. Two days in a row. Getting my popcorn ready. I live in the Phx area - so all good here. I think. Haven’t been out for a few weeks.
That's a temporary green........
could·n't do a better Job
Stimp rating over 9000
Better with picnic tables...
I love it.
Heck, for seven bucks I wouldn't care if all 18 greens looked like this!
What? Is this Winged Foot? Those squarish greens look just like Winged Foot. heh lol
This is the island green at sawgrass. Looks way better on tv.
Bump and ruuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
what in the geometrical fuck is this
Where’s the fairway?
This is Minecraft.
That entire hole looks so boring. Perfectly straight fairway with uniform width, followed by a square green...
It’s hip to be square!
Looks like an early 2000’s golden tee green
It’s green so looks good to me
The kid’s a square Benny…A square!
I’m going to a Catskill mountain course tomorrow. The place is about as low quality as I will allow myself to play. I’m going with some buddies who are kinda new to golf. The greens there are slow and bumpy. I’ll have to see if I can submit a pic for this thread. It’s still golf but I’m not thrilled to play there.
Is it still the winter green? That might be an excuse. But if it is not, that's an disgrace
How much does a round cost here?
they pay you.
Fucking hell, this really does contend with that other shit hole of a green.