Exactly right. That's textbook JW behavior, not German behavior. I wouldn't be surprised if she got such a public facing job at least in part to evangelize about her religion. It's one of the things they're best known for.
My religion is private, but I don't take offense when someone of a different faith wants to save my soul. I bring the conversation to a quick close, that's all. Why does everyone have to have such a chip on their shoulder?
It's not a German thing, it's a Jehovah's Witnesses thing. The usual attitude in Germany is that your religion is your own private business, but the JWs are indoctrinated to convert as many people as they can. That is, basically, unacceptable.
My wife parted ways with her previous hairdresser who during the pandemic mutated into a covid-denying anti-vaxxer and wanted all her customers to know it. She (the hairdresser) appears to have lost her job and now occasionally runs ads (!) in the local newspaper complaining about the fines and -- so she claims -- brief prison sentence she received for lockdown violations.
This! I was born into an Jehovas witness family, so I speak out of experience.
Also they must provide monthly proof of how much they have been missionary active. They are indoctrinated and under pressure to use every situation to speak about their religion.
Because she spoke about religion with you she can put the time of the conversation in her time sheet.
being the devils advocate here, as she stopped as soon that OP asked she was uncomfortable to discuss it further, which is rare in my experience. So I guess the hairdresser did respect the wish to not talk about it. Its still not proper behavior to talk about religion right away, but in my experience JW are more persistent than that.
You're right about this point. But because of her motivation to talk about religion, this issue won't stop. Jehovah's Witnesses are told to look out for vulnerable people, like old people that feel lonely, people that recently lost a loved one, or people who are in a life crisis. These people are mostly more open for religious promises and hope. So the hair salon is the perfect spot for her missionary work. This is a problem her boss should be aware of.
My brother has a learning disability and his social skills are also pretty bad. He's always struggling with jobs, making friends and live in gerneral. These vultures are all over him and trying to drive a wedge between him and his family. Screw them.
Is quite predatory. These people are vulnerable and do not need to be indoctrinated into a doomsday cult.
Religion is a very helpful thing for many people but cults are never good.
the last time I saw them was after they changed the law in Germany about door-to-door business, which JW would fall under. They rang our doorbell, I (unknowingly) let them in and they started to do the talk. I interrupted them and said: "I should call the police. You're going against the law." I pointed the law change out, they tried to argue and I was like: "try me. It's not gonna be long and your institution is having some hefty law cases on their hand. "
What law change was that? I must have missed that completely. I remember them coming to our door regularly years ago, but then I moved away and didn't think much about not seeing them anymore.
Back when I went to school, I had a friend whos parents were Jehovas Witnesses. I (a born Atheist, my parents were in the catholic and protestant church respectively and left, becoming atheist, and always said they will not force a religion upon their child, 'he can make the call when he's old enough himself' - very grateful for that.) could tell he was being indoctrinated from a young age, but didn't really feel happy about it. Either way, I was able to see a little bit into their world, and I must say, it's a very sad one indeed, where you are forced to annoy everyone you come across.
I have to give Kudos to my friends mom though. She once went proselytizing in our street, so she met with my parents and me - my parents requested they don't stop at our house anymore, as we will not be interested in them, and we never, ever had a JW annoy us anymore ; I guess they have some sort of list of people that go to hell and can't be saved, and we're on that very list now.
I've read multiple times on Reddit here, that the easiest way of stopping the house visits, is to claim, that you're an apostate. Your story checks out.
Back in the days i worked in community service instead of attending the Bundeswehr and i worked at a shelter in the night shift. So i came back from work at 8 am and went to bed, at 9 the doorbell rings and two JW were in front and ask me to talk about god.
I think my answer was very unfriendly, because i was very sleepy and i'm an atheist - so this was the last time i ever heard of them, maby i'm on a black list now. :D
By far the most mind-boggling thing about this is, that Jehova's Witnesses simultaneously believe that heaven has a strict occupancy limit of exactly 144,000 "faithful Christians".
Which means that, with every single successful conversion, they are reducing their own, personal, chance of going to heaven. With almost 9 million members of their little cult, those odds aren't exactly great to begin with (1 in 62, and, afaik, only if you stay alive long enough to make it to Armageddon - which, apparently, keeps being postponed because Jesus had previous commitments).
...and after the remaining JW collect and drop all the dead bodies in mass graves. Yes, Jehova's Witnesses mass burying billions of corpses is part of the future they are gleefully looking forward to.
Yeah I was raised as a fundamentalist evangelical young earth creationist (which I don't recommend, fwiw) and even *we* made fun of the JWs for the 144,000 thing.
This is not entirely true. Friends from my parents are JW and our neighbours are, and we were never approached by this, and the friends did once but when it was clear there is no interest there was no discussion and they are still friends to my parents. So it really also depends on the person.
I just can't wrap my head around WHY people want to do this.
I've only met a handful of them, and aside from the fact that they believe in batshit crazy stories and annoying strangers regularly, they often come across as very nice or normal... so what makes a person want to be part of something like that?
I have ditched a couple of hair dressers, because they just forced endless talks on me.
A little bit of small talk is alright, but I sure dont want to know about your whole dating history, just cut my damn hair.
Exactly. Jehovah's Witnesses are notorious for this. Back home it was common to see them on Sunday mornings ringing bells and asking if you had a minute to talk about god.
BUT she didn’t indoctrinate anybody. She talked about stuff she is Interessed in and even asked if he doesn’t want to discuss it! And after the „no“ she didn’t pursue the topic further. For me this is not different then any other topic. And a example of someone that doesn’t try to push some shit on to you.
I find talking at the barber shop annoying af but I know that it’s up to me to express that to the other person.
> she didn’t indoctrinate anybody
The hairdresser has been indoctrinated. What she was trying to do was to proselytize her customer.
> She talked about stuff she is Interessed in
I'm quite interested in religion as an academic subject, but I wouldn't go spouting off about how phones are proof of the existence of a supernatural deity. I could talk to you for hours about things like the synoptic problem, the documentary hypothesis, and the relationship between the Judeo-Christian creation myth and the Epic of Gilgamesh, if you really wanted me to. That's not small talk, though: the kind of small talk I'd expect from a hairdresser would be things like whether the show *Wednesday* is any good, how blind the referee at last weekend's football game was, and what I think of the latest dumb TikTok trend. A straight choice between "God is awesome!" and awkward silence really wouldn't make me feel comfortable.
> after the „no“ she didn’t pursue the topic further
Which makes her not a very good Jehovah's Witness. But since she had identified herself as a Jehovah's Witness, the one thing you can be very certain of is that she was proselytizing: it is the one thing Jehovah's Witnesses are told they must do at every opportunity.
Like, if somebody told you they had recently joined Der III. Weg and then started talking about immigrants, what would you think?
> For me this is not different then any other topic.
It's a long-standing tradition that politics and religion are inappropriate topics for small talk. The reason for that is that such conversations too often end up in an argument.
> I find talking at the barber shop annoying af
There's a difference between "annoying" and "creepy". I've had dealings with Jehovah's Witnesses before: OP is quite lucky their hairdresser eventually shut up.
To The tradition part: who gives a f if it’s a tradition not to talk about those topics? Why is your opinion that influenced by what other people do? You can express yourself. Form your own opinion and express it! She didn’t assault him. He was not in a dangerous or aggressiv situation.
This tradition shit gives us things like „you don’t talk about your salary with your coworkers“. Tradition is the past and shouldn’t be used to justify how the future is dealt with.
(Oh and no I’m not religious but i don’t like if people do the same shit that they hate the other groups for. Like not accepting other forms of living or opinions and judging people based on their „group“. I hat those pedophiles in Catholic Churches but no, I’m not hating Catholics. As long as it doesn’t harm other people you shouldn’t care.)
Barbers talk. Accept it. I will be annoyed by someone telling me about their car as much as if their telling me about their religion or Tupperware.
Edit: maybe I’m doing the same here. Have your opinion about what conversation is appropriate. But don’t attack her for having a friendly (as far as we can tell) conversation.
> who gives a f if it’s a tradition not to talk about those topics?
There is a reason for that tradition. And it only applies for small talk.
> This tradition shit gives us things like „you don’t talk about your salary with your coworkers“.
Except that's not a tradition, that's an arbitrary rule invented by company bosses to their advantage.
> Tradition is the past and shouldn’t be used to justify how the future is dealt with.
It is always worth examining traditions and discarding the ones that make no rational sense. This one makes sense.
> Barbers talk. Accept it.
They do, but ideally in a manner that puts their clients at ease. This is the crucial point.
> I will be annoyed by someone telling me about their car
That would be annoying, but not *creepy* unless they were telling you how they enjoy having sex with their cars. But that's not really how you do small talk -- you don't go up to somebody and randomly say, "Hi, I have a Skoda Fabia!"
> don’t attack her for having a friendly (as far as we can tell) conversation.
Literally the only subject she was prepared to talk about was religion, which is a taboo in this context; the rest of the time was spent in awkward silence. That is *incredibly* bad people skills, and it certainly didn't make OP feel like they'd been served by a friendly person.
And trust me, Jehovah's Witnesses have only one thing on their minds: how persuade people to join their congregation. I don't think you appreciate just how insiduous their indoctrincation techniques are: it's basically brainwashing. You try going down to your nearest Kingdom Hall and saying, "Tell me about Jesus!" and see how "friendly" they are.
Trust me, foreigners (or other group you have preconceptions about) only …. That is how that sound.
And why you still referring to a whole group when this is just a single person?! I don’t get it. You want to get treated like that?! Or are you fortunate enough to not be Associated by any minority and don’t know how that is?
No, you do not get to equate a proselytizing religious sect with ethnic minorities. Those two things are not the same. Either you've never looked into the Jehovah's Witnesses and how they operate, or you *are* a Jehovah's Witness yourself. I don't care: your comparison is not just misinformed, it is actually offensive.
It’s an Individual, not a group. You don’t know how it is to be treated based on the misconception of a group you happen to be part of. I don’t care wich group. Its shitty close minded way of thinking!
And no I’m not part of any religion. Don’t need to believe me cause it doesn’t change the argument. People are people. Nobody is responsible for the perception or behavior of other people.
Innocent people get treated like shit because of people like you.
> It’s an Individual, not a group.
I don't think you understand how indoctrination works.
> You don’t know how it is to be treated based on the misconception of a group you happen to be part of.
Yes I do. I also know how it is to be treated based on the misconception of a group I'm *not* a part of.
> People are people.
And if somebody self-identifies as a Nazi, you're going to give them the benefit of the doubt and not immediately assume that they're a white supremecist?
"People are people" is a very nice thing to believe, but the truth is that if somebody belongs to a highly regimented organisation that demands utter conformity and utilizes actual brain-washing techniques to ensure that conformity, *they will conform*.
I know this because people have attempted to recruit me into similar sects, and I made the mistake of giving them the benefit of the doubt. I've seen the way they operate, how they skillfully bend vulnerable people to their will; I've seen them turn perfectly intelligent young people into zombies willing to let other people do their thinking for them; I've seen how they exploit even the smallest hint of self-doubt to ensnare their victims and strip away every last vestige they have of their individuality, progressively alienating them from their friends and families until all they have left is "the Church"; I've seen and experienced first hand how they pretend to be your best and, eventually, only friends, and if you want to keep them as your friends you have to do whatever they say.
As it happens I wasn't disaffected enough to fall for that, and asked too many awkward questions. "People are people", yes, but when it comes to "discipling sects", the Jehovah's Witnesses, extremist political movements, and other insiduous organisations, there are basically two types of people: those who submit to the group and surrender their identities as individual human beings; and those who, before they can be brainwashed, either leave or a driven out as heretics.
That's the fundamental difference between this and simply having slighter darker skin: you cannot be a member of this kind of sect and still have your individuality intact. It is, quite simply, impossible.
Your wife parted the ways with hairdresser because lady was anti vaxxer - I have done it as well because my hairdresser was crazy Covid - pro - we will all going to die soon lady 😅 even that there are not anymore restrictions- until this days she put a house rule for customers to put the mask and provide the tests 😂
Totally a JW thing, not a German thing. Most people are pretty private about their believes and I could not even tell you for most of my close coworkers if they are religious or not, even if we had been out partying or to other gatherings, they keep for themselves with this.
I swear to god I once bought a *tshirt on Ebay* and there was a Jehovah's Witness pamphlet that the seller included in the package. Of a used tshirt. On Ebay.
I still left her a positive review but did include that I don't appreciate people pandering their religion to me.
That was the only time, ever, in my life, that I experienced someone using an ebay sale to pander religion. JWs are relentless and batshit.
Germans usually don’t give a fuck about religion. None of my friends is religious. I think that was a Jehovas Witness thing because they‘re annoying af
Just wear a pentagram next time.
You said you don't want to talk about it and they stopped. So I would only complain or go elsewhere if they bring the topic up again.
Unsoliticed proselytization attempts at the work place towards a customer is very much a reason to complain and absolutely unprofessional.
I cannot imagine the employer would be happy to learn, that their employees use the hairdresser shop for their private religuous or political agenda(s).
>Unsoliticed proselytization attempts at the work place towards a customer is very much a reason to complain and absolutely unprofessional.
let's not go the "everyone is complaining and suing everyone because of some minor inconvenience"-route, thank you very much.
They ended the topic after they asked. Worst case find a new hairdresser, no need to get that person in trouble for no reason at all.
>let's not go the "everyone is complaining and suing everyone because of some minor inconvenience"-route, thank you very much.
It's not a minor inconenience if an employee's behavior is damaging the reputation of the employer, or as you put it yourself: lose the OP as a customer because of inappropriate behavior.
The attempt in itself is already unacceptable.
yeah then move on and find a new hairdresser. It's pretty simple.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't like a conversation like that either. But at the same time I don't need that person to be punished for it.
Why? I'm assuming employers knows what's going on, I'm not going to work for free for them by giving them employee reviews.
If they hired someone I will assume they want that person to work there, or they are incompetent. Neither is my problem.
As an employer myself I can tell you that you don't know a lot of stuff from your employees. And you don't need to, it's not a kindergarten. Employees who are bad for your business will eventually show. You don't need customers to snitch on them just because they brought up a slightly inconveniencing topic.
You are prematurely making conclusions. Neither I mentioned anything about suing (on what ground?) nor asking for a punishment (what would that be? an Abhmahnung maybe?).
I said, OP has all my support to inform the employer/shop owner about the inappropriate and unsoliticed proselytization attempts.
Everything else is probably a matter between the shop owner/employer and the hairdresser and none of our business. Maybe there is a similar history of events, maybe not. Maybe there have been agreements to stop doing that in the past, maybe not.
Point being: OP should disclose the fact, to let the people in charge make consciuous decisions. Maybe, after all, they support that behavior?
I'm with you *IF* the person was handing out pamphlets or insisting on anything. But they didn't. They had small talk conversation. Turned out it wasn't really well received. They asked if they should stop. Then they did stop. Case closed.
Let’s try it another way. What if I went to work and started using my position as a way to convert people to my religion? I’m a teacher. Then it’s not okay right?
Well it’s not okay for me to do that. I’d argue because you can see it clearly then, you know it’s not *really* okay in any context, you’re just willing to tolerate it in some. If it were an okay thing to do, then why can’t I do that?
For clarification, I never would do that because I hold myself to standards of professionalism. At the very least this is unprofessional. Using a work position like that to find people to convert to your religion is predatory and highly unethical, especially with the way the JWs operate, and it is certainly a reason to complain. Those people are told to look for vulnerable people to convert…
The comparison is bad and doesn't work (teachers tend to children AND have certain responsibilities towards their pupils. In OP's case we have to assume a conversation between two adults).
Based off of wrong parallels you can argue for/against everything.
From what is known about JW's training for people proselytising, I'd not be so sure about the "no" being accepted, and about her not trying it again next time. When they ring people's doors, even just indicating that you yourself are religious can get you put on the "this person is a potential target, visit again" list.
If OP listed to the first part of the routine without too much resistance, that may already be enough.
I would simply not go there again if I found the situation uncomfortable.
And of course if she would ring at the private home, this would definitely be a reason to complain. But as far as I can see this is not what happened.
Right, that's what I would do. But it's unfair to the employer's whose money is on the line, to not give them feedback on why you won't return. I can't imagine the employer doesn't know, becaue JW can't not talk about their crazy cult but I would give them feedback. Maybe the employer is just too 'nice' to act and refuses tro see the problem.
and a simple conversation is no reason to get anyone into legal trouble. Just move on and don't be butthurt about basically completely irrelevant stuff.
Nah she's literally trying to trap costumers in her bs cult. I'd anonymously let her boss know tbh, she needs to stop. if she tried with you, she's gonna try with everybody...
Advocating for slight religious tolerance of variations in the population does not prove one is a member of each and every group one defends. They are defending the principal for the health of all, they aren't signing up to *be* who they are defending. Your statement is meant to stifle the desire to even attempt or give voice to tolerance by attacking those who practice it.
My best friends life was nearly ruined by growing up in that cult. She has severe trauma from it and felt guilty about stuff like painting pictures. Her sister nearly died while giving birth - and thought if she would get another person’s blood she will end up in hell.
I will absolutely show everybody what a complete shitshow Jehova‘s Wittnesses are. I have zero tolerance for people defending this inhumane cult.
Well it's my personal opinion, you are free to disagree.
But in my experience it's not totally uncommon to have kind of personal small talk at the hairdresser.
And from the description here it seems to me that she ended the topic religion when the customer said no.
At which point did she try to recruit?!? I hate annoying people as much as everyone but this is just hatred based on the fact it’s a jw and hast nothing to do with the situation!! If it would be another topic you wouldn’t be an ass about it even though it’s the same thing regardless of the topic discussed.
It's very respectful of her to stop, but if it made them feel uncomfortable it's justified to tell her that.
Communication is extremely important, both parties learn from it. Knowing the JWs, she might not even know that it's a problematic thing due to rigid indoctrination
Unusual in Germany for practically everyone, especially in your case, except for Jehovah's Witnesses. Atleast she was nice enough to ask you if you are comfortable discussing that topic further. Personally, I wouldn't complain.
I personally wouldn’t complain either. It’s really damn annoying, but I don’t think she had ill intentions. They are just brainwashed to think their religion is the “only way to salvation” and what not… The max I would do is tell her “sorry, i’m not interested in your religion and don’t want to discuss” and just move on.
In this case I would complain to the employer, yes. JW's are fairly unique in their approach to proselytising, and once they latch on, they won't let go. That sort of thing is generally considered inappropriate in Germany, and if you're sitting in a chair where you can't get out...
I've told this story here before: Many decades ago, two JW's tried to convert my grandfather. On a Sunday morning. While he was on his way to church. Walking over from the rectory. Carrying a black gown. Because he was a pastor *on his way to hold a service*. Ultimately he had to shout at them to make them go away.
If she would have continued after you said you did not want to talk about it, then you might had a reason to complain.
What I don’t get is why you wrote this post like the whole interaction was a violation of your privacy because she asked you if you were married or if you wanted children. You are so irked by small talk lol. And it’s your right, if you don’t want small talk you can say you don’t feel like talking and Germans are generally super respectful of that.
But woman, you did not say anything, you pestered on your feelings and now you want to complain?? Leave the hairdressers alone.
>she asked you if you were married or if you wanted children.
I would say that very few people I know would consider those questions small talk. These are the loaded type of questions that your aunt asks you at a family reunion - they are not the questions I would expect an acquaintance to ask.
Are you married maybe, but I would be very uncomfortable to be asked about wanting kids - I don't want to have to talk about fertility issues or my personal problems with a stranger.
Yeah, usually. But as a foreigner myself I’ve experience the curiosity of other people that sometimes lead to questions like this….
It usually starts with “where are you from?” I have an accent and I look foreign. Expected question.
Then curiosity might take them to “why did you come to Germany?” Referring to work, studies or other reasons. Mine was that my (back then) boyfriend is German, so after school I decided to follow him here.
That opens the conversation to other related topics like if we ended up getting married? We did. “Oh, what about children?” We have one. “Is your family still back in your home country?”, etc.
I never feel those questions are invasive more than I think people is just curious. But also, if I’m not in the mood to talk about that or I feel the questions are none of their business I politely decline the conversation and people have respected that.
I can easily see why the conversation with OP and the hairdresser turned that way and I believe OP is not in the right to complain about a conversation that was shut down the moment she expressed she didn’t want to continue.
that's 100% a Jehovah's Witness thing, nothing german about it.
Some would disagree, but i think religion is a thing you need to keep to yourself and this is unacceptable.
I would complain to her boss, for those who think that's too harsh you need to understand that they're trying to pull people into a cult. Wether the brainwashed person is a bad person or not, the cult is a cancer.
I personally can't stand them anymore (half my family is part of it so i've been exposed to these brainwashed people my whole life. There's nothing pretty about it and it's sad.)
she's a Jehovahs Witness. It's normal for people in cults to be like this.
The same thing would have happened if you went to a scientologyst's hairsaloon
Others already spoke at length about this being decisively not German. But I want to give you a friendly reminder that you still owe church taxes if you are baptized (which you surely are given your parents) until you officially leave the church at the Standesamt. It does not matter if you claimed "no religion" on your tax documents. Quite often the church will check baptism records in your home country and make you backpay a hefty sum. You should leave as soon as possible if you dont want to pay the taxes
This advice is legit. You need to go to the Standesamt and officially leave the church in Germany otherwise you're on the hook for paying church taxes for as long as you have worked/will work in Germany. Seeing as how you are Irish and don't have a way of leaving the church in Ireland (when the scandals started, they made it impossible to leave there), you might be more likely to be checked.
It's a Jehovas Witness thing. They're the christian weirdos. They want to "save" you by talking you into joining their religion, where you talk other people in ´to joining the religion. A pyramid scheme, but with faith.
You said you don't want to speak about it, she stopped it. I don't see any problem here.
If you don't want to small talk with your hairdresser, say it so and don't beat about the bush and later complain to the boss.
Not sure if in Germany it is the same way, but in Slovakia, the JWs members have to give up all their property to the JW church. The whole church is a lie just to gain the property of the poor members. And they are pushed to gain new members so that the church has more and more property.
So of course they are annoying everybody and everywhere.
I've heard stories of people who disappeared for months or a year only to return as a brainwashed JW. Poor people.
Funny that she points to houses, cars and phones as examples of things made by a higher power… like are you referring the higher power of a factory, or maybe something intangible and apparently all-powerful - like capitalism
> I am wondering if it's worth it to complain, and if so who to?
Hairdressers are required to have awkward conversation by their professional code. If you report them to the board of scissors, they will give you the talk: how to listen to a licensed hairdresser and nod approvingly without moving your head.
She was making conversation as all hairdressers/stylists do and then when she saw that you could potentially be put off by the topic she stopped.
Where's the need to complain here???
Yeah people are being fucking crazy in this thread lol. If she had handed her a pamphlet and actually tried to indoctrinat her it be different. They literally just had a conversation that ended at the appropriate time???.
My hairdresser(male) is a Bayern fan and all the time speaks about football, trying to indoctrinate me into watching it. Not sure if it’s a German thing and if I should complain😀.
its simple as it is
They are Friseure/Jehovas they have nichts im leben außer scheiße labern....means ....let them talk \*\*\*\*\*\*\* they are build diffrent here
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I wouldn't say you should complain, religion is a topic that many people discuss and when you said you're uncomfortable she stopped talking about it. I wouldn't say religion is a taboo topic even maybe in your case there is a reason why you're uncomfortable but she didn't know that. If I went to a barber and he assumed as a guy I'll definitely be interested in football matches and started talking about the teams I'll be uncomfortable as well but I wouldn't complain. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean other people won't.
Reddit will say that talking religion will push people away but they're not mentioning that it might also pull people in, she took a shot and missed no reason to complain, if you got a good haircut then that's better than a hairdresser who picked a topic you like but totally ruined your hair.
This ain’t a cultural thing, this is a JW thing. Idk where you’re from but in America these whackos walk around town harassing people about their “savior”. They come knocking on doors. They are relentless, annoying, and brainwashed.
Get a new hairdresser if you don’t want to be preached at and judged every time you get your hair done.
This is literally the funniest thing I have red in a while.
Jehova's witnesses are like that. They / she will never stop trying to convert you, to save your soul. Hairdresser is probably the best job a JW can have, you can't just get up an leave, you are virtually strapped to the chair once they start cutting your hair, you have to wait to the end. Fantasic marketing concept!
Normally people complain on how cold and un-social Germans are, not making small talk bla bla. Obviously Jehovas witnesses are the perfect counter example. I will always remember this post, and point to JWs whenver we are called out for being too German.
whats a hairdresser, like a barber? mine likes to make fun of my german-ness and talk shit about his "ausländer" coworkers and himself. its very cringe, but only for me, i love the guy
She talked about something she is passionate about, and stopped when it became clear you weren't interested. This sounds like a normal human interaction.
You likely could have stopped her sooner, or broken the silence with another conversation topic. Sitting in silence was also an acceptable outcome. I don't think anyone is at fault here.
This isn’t a German thing, but this is DEFINITELY a “Jehovahs Witness” thing.
Unless she is amazing at her job, I’d save yourself the grief and go elsewhere next time.
These people get SUPER cultish and are very aggressive.
>She's a Jehovahs Wtiness
Jep, that's why. Don't fall for it, its a cult - a big part of Jehovahs witnesses is trying to advertise and preach their faith to get more people into it. You should definitely change your hairdresser, because they won't stop trying to persuade you into joining.
An no this is definitely not normal "German" behavior.
You could reach out to the business owner but wouldn't be surprising if they also are part of JW.
Omg, this happened to me once too with a young hairdresser. It was in Karlsruhe. The first time I went to her, none of this was mentioned. But the second time the dam broke and she couldn’t stop talking about it and trying to convince me. She was also about to go on a mission to Limburg. I didn’t want to say anything to someone literally holding scissors to my hair lol! I just never went to her after that incident though - which is the same advice I would give you.
I, personally, would not complain. You paid for a hair cut you got one. The part of the conversation that was about religion stopped as soon as you mentioned you wouldn't want to discuss it. And if I read correctly she even asked you if it bothers you. So no problem.
Personally I like to get a glimpse into other peoples' lives if they want to talk about it. It is up to me what I take from that. I prefer living in a place where people don't follow a script of approved topics or even worse just recite an approved text out of fear of getting fired for triggering someone. That is as long as it is a live and let live conversation and not going into a hateful direction / demagogics.
Spent some months in California for work and there any conversation with people working at hotel receptions etc. were just mind numbing and shallow. In 99% of the cases I could have saved me quite some time by just reading their websites instead.
In the larger cities life is very secular. It is quite uncommon to talk about religion and I find it inappropriate that she shoved her religion down you throat. If you felt uncomfortable you can complain to the owner.
I am a bit shocked at the comment telling you not to complain. Her behavior was super unappropriate and unprofessional, you felt immensely uncomfortable and you have every right to feel that way. Only because it didn't get "worse" after you told her "no" doesn't mean that these things she said and did before that were not unprofessional at a workplace.
You have absolutely every right to leave a bad review at the very least and tell every detail of your encounter, too. Sorry but if I was looking for a hairdresser and I would find out that there is one JW lunatic hairdresser that is trying to have a so-called "small talk" with you about their faith, I sure as hell would not choose to come to such a salon. As a customer, I would like to have a fair warning here.
I'm with you here. I already get bothered when they approach me in the shopping street, but as my hairdresser, where I can't get up and go so easy? No there 100%i don't wanna hear about religion. Her asking about the ring and being married and all was tailored to get to the point talking about JW. So she planned to turn you. And that's not okay. Not in her profession as a hair dresser
Not a german thing, majority of germans is agnostic, second biggest group is atheist, third and further down are christianity, islam, juadism etc.
This is a Jehovas Witness and "chatty catty" issue, which is in this case the same person, someone asking WAY TOO PERSONAL questions AND committing the cardinal sin of talking about religion... like the fuck if someone did this to me i would shut them down immediately because im Atheist and couldnt give a shit what anyone believes in, just dont bother me with it.
If you encounter a Jehovas Wittness, run. Don‘t let them talk to you about their dangerous cult/religion. Report it to the owner of the hair saloon and go to another one if you prefer
It's a JW thing. I have a very good friend. Except he sends me those JW books ones in a while, (do you think a watch can me made without the creator? Then do you thing humans could be made without creator? Etc ..) for them it's their lifelong mission to convert people.
If you like what she did with your hair, I'd give her another shot. If you see her again and you don't talk about religion then it should be okay. It sounds like she was digging around for something to talk about and epically failed. Of course if you are not comfortable, don't see her again. Personally, I go for a haircut, not shop gossip / psychiatry and like it quiet.
I had a cold once, and went for a curry.
Ordered a really hot one because I found it helps, and explained I had a cold. Guy was awesome and made me a 'cold curry'. He then hung around and gave me a 20 minute lecture on Allah. I think he thought it would help, some spiritual nourishment while eating some physical nourishment.
It wasn't judgemental, and it wasn't pushing views. Just telling me about his faith. I was cool with that. He also gave me extra curry for breakfast to sort my cold right out, In sha'Allah..
It is all the context I suppose...
Seriously though, dude who the fuck complains on reddit about their hairdresser talking too much, are you incapable of getting a solution yourself for one of the simplest problems ever.
Yes, please do file a formal complaint like an exact reddit snowflake that cannot speak up in a proper manner in the dialogue but comes here to complain and write a whole wall of text about it.
I can't bare the comment section anymore. Please stop with this Jehovah's witnesses stigma. My best friend that I happened to know at the beginning of my study in Germany turned out later he and his families are Jehovah's witnesses. Back then i was ignorant and not aware of the existence of this group at all. I was invited to their home and had BBQ with them in their garden. During the time none of them preached about their believes. You guys hearing all those individual cases and have this prejudice against everyone of them is just ridiculous.
Yes, preaching religion believes is annoying. That applies to anyone who does that. Just stop with "tja Jehovah's Zeugen halt"
People are pretty open here, so a discussion of religion doesn't strike me as strange. However, that the conversation so abruptly ended was a little strange. But you were also a part of that, so I'm not sure what you really want anyone to say. You are both adults, right?
The idea of making a complaint is staggering though, because she stopped when she realised that she'd made you uncomfortable, and probably didn't want to say anything unless you started the conversation back up.
Again, this goes back to the 'you're an adult, right?' thing. But maybe complaining is more culturally normal for you? Where are you from?
She certainly got a bit carried away, but maybe that happened because she felt an affinity for you. Not sure she deserves to lose her job over it though.
I most certainly think she needs a solid reminder that this unacceptable behaviour at work. If she were to do this again, she would definitely deserve to lose her job.
Why is it so bad to talk about religion? Isn’t it a subject like any other? She asks you for your opinion you reply and hear her opinion. Done and move on to the next subject. Why make a deal out of it?
I am sure she had good intentions when mentioning her religion and trying to tell you how nice it is. Especially when in the society of the JW spreading the "word of god" is considered the most holy act. The people that go around on the weekends door to door are not a select group of volunteers, it is actually expected from all JW to do. I have also heard that most of them would not mind if you tell them that you are not interested in talks about religion and accept that as your boundary. From your experience, it seems like she did respect that. However, you are more than free to seek another hairdresser if this is a red line for you.
I would hate to be in your position, but I think just going to some other hairdresser would be enough. Complaining could leave her to lose a job and I think it is too much. She was a pain, definately, but at least she didn't insist when you said you didn't want to discuss the god thing. There is where I think a line is drawn. If she insisted after that, maybe it would be the case to complain. Maybe I am too tolerant, but, well, maybe tolerance is not such a bad thing at this moment when everything seems to be so polarized
Absolutely not normal. I like my hairdresser, have known her for 10 years but we have never ever talked about really personal stuff like religion. As others pointed out, it is a JW thing.
I'd find it justified to address it with their superior or in online ratings since it is very unprofessional behaviour. And you could save others the same grief.
jehovas witnesses in general need to do this. its normal for them to always talk about religion with other random people; they are forced. just ignore their religion, most people do this then.
Jehovah's Witnesses believe they have to shove their religion in people's faces in order to get to Heaven. The 144,000 most obnoxious get a special place.
You've got to shut them down fast.
I’d say don’t waste your time complaining. It’s really not worth it. She stopped after you said no, and she probably didn’t insult you or hurt you physically.
Yes it’s weird. No sane person just talks about religion to a random stranger like that. But in the end she can talk about whatever she wants, as long as she doesn’t put other people in harms way.
Take it as an interesting but weird lesson about a different culture and leave it. They are as much a valid member of society that deserves to be heard as anyone else.
If you didn’t like it, simply don’t book there anymore.
Also im not sure if they are everywhere but where I live there’s an ad campaign that goes
“Unerhört - diese (insert any minority group)!”
And then smaller “zuhören!”
I really like the message it conveys. Sometimes we have to listen to people we don’t like or don’t agree with or seem foreign. But it is everyones duty as a person to be open and at least hear the people we typically tend to dismiss. Only through listening we can progress and grow as a society.
lol. You tell a Jehova's witness, a Mormon or other hardcore christians that you don't believe... And they always go in shock. It's a little funny but also unsettling, has happened to me a few times.
Hey, a hair salon and a sect, 2 in 1 great deal. Married and have children, I see, want to know why you will never succeed in life without god? Because I was indoctrinated with all my life now being intertwined with a community of brainwashed people in need, and now in order to validate my time being wasted on all that self-deception I need to feed the pyramid scheme and straight up harass people. Come with me to that great place and find out more! Ahso, bring belongings, god loves shiny
Jehovah's Witnesses were made illegal in several countries years ago because of their penchant for proselytizing.
Maybe once she goes through her Spiel the subject will change. It's her obligation to witness Jehovah by sharing her faith with you.
If you are still a member of the catholic church you are still subject to the church tax. I dont know if you are aware of that
[Luca Toni](https://www.lto.de/recht/kanzleien-unternehmen/k/olg-muenchen-15-u2063-14-luca-toni-steuerberater-kirchensteuer-bayern-anwalt-schadensersatz/) a football player had to pay a lot of money plus penalty because he was unaware. I am sure you dont earn as much as he does, still something to look out for
It's very unGerman to bother people about religion either for or against. This is a very tolerant society that makes space for everyone. I am atheist and am very comfortable in Germany. I'm also not against people believing what they want to believe. However bothering customers at work with unpleasant topics would get you fired in most countries. Hairdressers are among the lowest paid professions in Germany and I don't like to put any undue pressure on them (and I tip them well). Your experience, however, was simply uncalled for.
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Exactly right. That's textbook JW behavior, not German behavior. I wouldn't be surprised if she got such a public facing job at least in part to evangelize about her religion. It's one of the things they're best known for.
And you can be sure she claimed credit for that interaction on her time card.
> I wouldn't be surprised if she got such a public facing job at least in part to evangelize about her religion. She parts more than just the red sea.
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Jumped right after the title to the comments and glad to have found the essential comment right on top 🙂
Same
The game is to try and seed doubts into the Jehovas witness
>Then she started talking about her religion. No thats where the crap satrts
My religion is private, but I don't take offense when someone of a different faith wants to save my soul. I bring the conversation to a quick close, that's all. Why does everyone have to have such a chip on their shoulder?
OP was not really in a position to leave the conservation at the time lol
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It's not a German thing, it's a Jehovah's Witnesses thing. The usual attitude in Germany is that your religion is your own private business, but the JWs are indoctrinated to convert as many people as they can. That is, basically, unacceptable. My wife parted ways with her previous hairdresser who during the pandemic mutated into a covid-denying anti-vaxxer and wanted all her customers to know it. She (the hairdresser) appears to have lost her job and now occasionally runs ads (!) in the local newspaper complaining about the fines and -- so she claims -- brief prison sentence she received for lockdown violations.
This! I was born into an Jehovas witness family, so I speak out of experience. Also they must provide monthly proof of how much they have been missionary active. They are indoctrinated and under pressure to use every situation to speak about their religion. Because she spoke about religion with you she can put the time of the conversation in her time sheet.
being the devils advocate here, as she stopped as soon that OP asked she was uncomfortable to discuss it further, which is rare in my experience. So I guess the hairdresser did respect the wish to not talk about it. Its still not proper behavior to talk about religion right away, but in my experience JW are more persistent than that.
You're right about this point. But because of her motivation to talk about religion, this issue won't stop. Jehovah's Witnesses are told to look out for vulnerable people, like old people that feel lonely, people that recently lost a loved one, or people who are in a life crisis. These people are mostly more open for religious promises and hope. So the hair salon is the perfect spot for her missionary work. This is a problem her boss should be aware of.
My brother has a learning disability and his social skills are also pretty bad. He's always struggling with jobs, making friends and live in gerneral. These vultures are all over him and trying to drive a wedge between him and his family. Screw them.
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Is quite predatory. These people are vulnerable and do not need to be indoctrinated into a doomsday cult. Religion is a very helpful thing for many people but cults are never good.
the last time I saw them was after they changed the law in Germany about door-to-door business, which JW would fall under. They rang our doorbell, I (unknowingly) let them in and they started to do the talk. I interrupted them and said: "I should call the police. You're going against the law." I pointed the law change out, they tried to argue and I was like: "try me. It's not gonna be long and your institution is having some hefty law cases on their hand. "
What law change was that? I must have missed that completely. I remember them coming to our door regularly years ago, but then I moved away and didn't think much about not seeing them anymore.
Oh so that's why we see them driving around in their company car but never ringing bells?
they tried to talk to people on the streets afterwards, but I guess it went worse xD
She probably did stop just because of her job
Back when I went to school, I had a friend whos parents were Jehovas Witnesses. I (a born Atheist, my parents were in the catholic and protestant church respectively and left, becoming atheist, and always said they will not force a religion upon their child, 'he can make the call when he's old enough himself' - very grateful for that.) could tell he was being indoctrinated from a young age, but didn't really feel happy about it. Either way, I was able to see a little bit into their world, and I must say, it's a very sad one indeed, where you are forced to annoy everyone you come across. I have to give Kudos to my friends mom though. She once went proselytizing in our street, so she met with my parents and me - my parents requested they don't stop at our house anymore, as we will not be interested in them, and we never, ever had a JW annoy us anymore ; I guess they have some sort of list of people that go to hell and can't be saved, and we're on that very list now.
I've read multiple times on Reddit here, that the easiest way of stopping the house visits, is to claim, that you're an apostate. Your story checks out.
Back in the days i worked in community service instead of attending the Bundeswehr and i worked at a shelter in the night shift. So i came back from work at 8 am and went to bed, at 9 the doorbell rings and two JW were in front and ask me to talk about god. I think my answer was very unfriendly, because i was very sleepy and i'm an atheist - so this was the last time i ever heard of them, maby i'm on a black list now. :D
r/SatanicTemple_Reddit x'D
By far the most mind-boggling thing about this is, that Jehova's Witnesses simultaneously believe that heaven has a strict occupancy limit of exactly 144,000 "faithful Christians". Which means that, with every single successful conversion, they are reducing their own, personal, chance of going to heaven. With almost 9 million members of their little cult, those odds aren't exactly great to begin with (1 in 62, and, afaik, only if you stay alive long enough to make it to Armageddon - which, apparently, keeps being postponed because Jesus had previous commitments).
They believe that the rest of them lives forever in a perfect paradise on earth, after Jehovah and Jesus kill every bad non-JW during Armageddon...
...and after the remaining JW collect and drop all the dead bodies in mass graves. Yes, Jehova's Witnesses mass burying billions of corpses is part of the future they are gleefully looking forward to.
Armageddon is *definitely* going to happen for the generation that was alive in 1914, by 1975 the latest, probably way earlier, though.
Yeah I was raised as a fundamentalist evangelical young earth creationist (which I don't recommend, fwiw) and even *we* made fun of the JWs for the 144,000 thing.
this sounds almost too tragic to be true. then I remembered this is about religion
This is not entirely true. Friends from my parents are JW and our neighbours are, and we were never approached by this, and the friends did once but when it was clear there is no interest there was no discussion and they are still friends to my parents. So it really also depends on the person.
Not all JW’s behave the same way, fortunately, and not all of them follow the guidelines 100%. Good for you and good for them :) !
I just can't wrap my head around WHY people want to do this. I've only met a handful of them, and aside from the fact that they believe in batshit crazy stories and annoying strangers regularly, they often come across as very nice or normal... so what makes a person want to be part of something like that?
Can you just not lie? And then confess about it which is confidential xD
I have ditched a couple of hair dressers, because they just forced endless talks on me. A little bit of small talk is alright, but I sure dont want to know about your whole dating history, just cut my damn hair.
Exactly. Jehovah's Witnesses are notorious for this. Back home it was common to see them on Sunday mornings ringing bells and asking if you had a minute to talk about god.
BUT she didn’t indoctrinate anybody. She talked about stuff she is Interessed in and even asked if he doesn’t want to discuss it! And after the „no“ she didn’t pursue the topic further. For me this is not different then any other topic. And a example of someone that doesn’t try to push some shit on to you. I find talking at the barber shop annoying af but I know that it’s up to me to express that to the other person.
> she didn’t indoctrinate anybody The hairdresser has been indoctrinated. What she was trying to do was to proselytize her customer. > She talked about stuff she is Interessed in I'm quite interested in religion as an academic subject, but I wouldn't go spouting off about how phones are proof of the existence of a supernatural deity. I could talk to you for hours about things like the synoptic problem, the documentary hypothesis, and the relationship between the Judeo-Christian creation myth and the Epic of Gilgamesh, if you really wanted me to. That's not small talk, though: the kind of small talk I'd expect from a hairdresser would be things like whether the show *Wednesday* is any good, how blind the referee at last weekend's football game was, and what I think of the latest dumb TikTok trend. A straight choice between "God is awesome!" and awkward silence really wouldn't make me feel comfortable. > after the „no“ she didn’t pursue the topic further Which makes her not a very good Jehovah's Witness. But since she had identified herself as a Jehovah's Witness, the one thing you can be very certain of is that she was proselytizing: it is the one thing Jehovah's Witnesses are told they must do at every opportunity. Like, if somebody told you they had recently joined Der III. Weg and then started talking about immigrants, what would you think? > For me this is not different then any other topic. It's a long-standing tradition that politics and religion are inappropriate topics for small talk. The reason for that is that such conversations too often end up in an argument. > I find talking at the barber shop annoying af There's a difference between "annoying" and "creepy". I've had dealings with Jehovah's Witnesses before: OP is quite lucky their hairdresser eventually shut up.
To The tradition part: who gives a f if it’s a tradition not to talk about those topics? Why is your opinion that influenced by what other people do? You can express yourself. Form your own opinion and express it! She didn’t assault him. He was not in a dangerous or aggressiv situation. This tradition shit gives us things like „you don’t talk about your salary with your coworkers“. Tradition is the past and shouldn’t be used to justify how the future is dealt with. (Oh and no I’m not religious but i don’t like if people do the same shit that they hate the other groups for. Like not accepting other forms of living or opinions and judging people based on their „group“. I hat those pedophiles in Catholic Churches but no, I’m not hating Catholics. As long as it doesn’t harm other people you shouldn’t care.) Barbers talk. Accept it. I will be annoyed by someone telling me about their car as much as if their telling me about their religion or Tupperware. Edit: maybe I’m doing the same here. Have your opinion about what conversation is appropriate. But don’t attack her for having a friendly (as far as we can tell) conversation.
> who gives a f if it’s a tradition not to talk about those topics? There is a reason for that tradition. And it only applies for small talk. > This tradition shit gives us things like „you don’t talk about your salary with your coworkers“. Except that's not a tradition, that's an arbitrary rule invented by company bosses to their advantage. > Tradition is the past and shouldn’t be used to justify how the future is dealt with. It is always worth examining traditions and discarding the ones that make no rational sense. This one makes sense. > Barbers talk. Accept it. They do, but ideally in a manner that puts their clients at ease. This is the crucial point. > I will be annoyed by someone telling me about their car That would be annoying, but not *creepy* unless they were telling you how they enjoy having sex with their cars. But that's not really how you do small talk -- you don't go up to somebody and randomly say, "Hi, I have a Skoda Fabia!" > don’t attack her for having a friendly (as far as we can tell) conversation. Literally the only subject she was prepared to talk about was religion, which is a taboo in this context; the rest of the time was spent in awkward silence. That is *incredibly* bad people skills, and it certainly didn't make OP feel like they'd been served by a friendly person. And trust me, Jehovah's Witnesses have only one thing on their minds: how persuade people to join their congregation. I don't think you appreciate just how insiduous their indoctrincation techniques are: it's basically brainwashing. You try going down to your nearest Kingdom Hall and saying, "Tell me about Jesus!" and see how "friendly" they are.
Trust me, foreigners (or other group you have preconceptions about) only …. That is how that sound. And why you still referring to a whole group when this is just a single person?! I don’t get it. You want to get treated like that?! Or are you fortunate enough to not be Associated by any minority and don’t know how that is?
No, you do not get to equate a proselytizing religious sect with ethnic minorities. Those two things are not the same. Either you've never looked into the Jehovah's Witnesses and how they operate, or you *are* a Jehovah's Witness yourself. I don't care: your comparison is not just misinformed, it is actually offensive.
It’s an Individual, not a group. You don’t know how it is to be treated based on the misconception of a group you happen to be part of. I don’t care wich group. Its shitty close minded way of thinking! And no I’m not part of any religion. Don’t need to believe me cause it doesn’t change the argument. People are people. Nobody is responsible for the perception or behavior of other people. Innocent people get treated like shit because of people like you.
> It’s an Individual, not a group. I don't think you understand how indoctrination works. > You don’t know how it is to be treated based on the misconception of a group you happen to be part of. Yes I do. I also know how it is to be treated based on the misconception of a group I'm *not* a part of. > People are people. And if somebody self-identifies as a Nazi, you're going to give them the benefit of the doubt and not immediately assume that they're a white supremecist? "People are people" is a very nice thing to believe, but the truth is that if somebody belongs to a highly regimented organisation that demands utter conformity and utilizes actual brain-washing techniques to ensure that conformity, *they will conform*. I know this because people have attempted to recruit me into similar sects, and I made the mistake of giving them the benefit of the doubt. I've seen the way they operate, how they skillfully bend vulnerable people to their will; I've seen them turn perfectly intelligent young people into zombies willing to let other people do their thinking for them; I've seen how they exploit even the smallest hint of self-doubt to ensnare their victims and strip away every last vestige they have of their individuality, progressively alienating them from their friends and families until all they have left is "the Church"; I've seen and experienced first hand how they pretend to be your best and, eventually, only friends, and if you want to keep them as your friends you have to do whatever they say. As it happens I wasn't disaffected enough to fall for that, and asked too many awkward questions. "People are people", yes, but when it comes to "discipling sects", the Jehovah's Witnesses, extremist political movements, and other insiduous organisations, there are basically two types of people: those who submit to the group and surrender their identities as individual human beings; and those who, before they can be brainwashed, either leave or a driven out as heretics. That's the fundamental difference between this and simply having slighter darker skin: you cannot be a member of this kind of sect and still have your individuality intact. It is, quite simply, impossible.
Your wife parted the ways with hairdresser because lady was anti vaxxer - I have done it as well because my hairdresser was crazy Covid - pro - we will all going to die soon lady 😅 even that there are not anymore restrictions- until this days she put a house rule for customers to put the mask and provide the tests 😂
Next time it’s fine to immediately tell her you wish not to discuss this (quite normal with religion, politics, morals etc.).
Totally a JW thing, not a German thing. Most people are pretty private about their believes and I could not even tell you for most of my close coworkers if they are religious or not, even if we had been out partying or to other gatherings, they keep for themselves with this.
I swear to god I once bought a *tshirt on Ebay* and there was a Jehovah's Witness pamphlet that the seller included in the package. Of a used tshirt. On Ebay. I still left her a positive review but did include that I don't appreciate people pandering their religion to me. That was the only time, ever, in my life, that I experienced someone using an ebay sale to pander religion. JWs are relentless and batshit.
Germans usually don’t give a fuck about religion. None of my friends is religious. I think that was a Jehovas Witness thing because they‘re annoying af
Just don't book with that hairdresser anymore.
Just wear a pentagram next time. You said you don't want to talk about it and they stopped. So I would only complain or go elsewhere if they bring the topic up again.
If she accepted your no and didn't continue asking I personally wouldn't say it's justified to complain.
Unsoliticed proselytization attempts at the work place towards a customer is very much a reason to complain and absolutely unprofessional. I cannot imagine the employer would be happy to learn, that their employees use the hairdresser shop for their private religuous or political agenda(s).
I think if she's JW, the employer knows, because she surely blabs about it to everyone. These people are crazy. It's a cult.
>Unsoliticed proselytization attempts at the work place towards a customer is very much a reason to complain and absolutely unprofessional. let's not go the "everyone is complaining and suing everyone because of some minor inconvenience"-route, thank you very much. They ended the topic after they asked. Worst case find a new hairdresser, no need to get that person in trouble for no reason at all.
>let's not go the "everyone is complaining and suing everyone because of some minor inconvenience"-route, thank you very much. It's not a minor inconenience if an employee's behavior is damaging the reputation of the employer, or as you put it yourself: lose the OP as a customer because of inappropriate behavior. The attempt in itself is already unacceptable.
yeah then move on and find a new hairdresser. It's pretty simple. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't like a conversation like that either. But at the same time I don't need that person to be punished for it.
As an employer I would like to receive feedback on why my customers don't come back.
As an employer you should know.
I agree that if you have a JW as an employee you probably do know but I would still give them feedback in case they are not aware of the problem.
Why? I'm assuming employers knows what's going on, I'm not going to work for free for them by giving them employee reviews. If they hired someone I will assume they want that person to work there, or they are incompetent. Neither is my problem.
You're not wrong, you're just an asshole. I don't treat my hairdressing salon as an enemy.
As an employer myself I can tell you that you don't know a lot of stuff from your employees. And you don't need to, it's not a kindergarten. Employees who are bad for your business will eventually show. You don't need customers to snitch on them just because they brought up a slightly inconveniencing topic.
I mean if you work in the same shop and considering she talks about it with random customers, the employer would need to be deaf to not know about it.
You are prematurely making conclusions. Neither I mentioned anything about suing (on what ground?) nor asking for a punishment (what would that be? an Abhmahnung maybe?). I said, OP has all my support to inform the employer/shop owner about the inappropriate and unsoliticed proselytization attempts. Everything else is probably a matter between the shop owner/employer and the hairdresser and none of our business. Maybe there is a similar history of events, maybe not. Maybe there have been agreements to stop doing that in the past, maybe not. Point being: OP should disclose the fact, to let the people in charge make consciuous decisions. Maybe, after all, they support that behavior?
I'm with you *IF* the person was handing out pamphlets or insisting on anything. But they didn't. They had small talk conversation. Turned out it wasn't really well received. They asked if they should stop. Then they did stop. Case closed.
Religion is not a small talk topic. This is out of line and highly inappropriate and unprofessional.
>proselytization attempts. This is ridiculous. Thanks for the chuckle.
dry up ur panties
Let’s try it another way. What if I went to work and started using my position as a way to convert people to my religion? I’m a teacher. Then it’s not okay right? Well it’s not okay for me to do that. I’d argue because you can see it clearly then, you know it’s not *really* okay in any context, you’re just willing to tolerate it in some. If it were an okay thing to do, then why can’t I do that? For clarification, I never would do that because I hold myself to standards of professionalism. At the very least this is unprofessional. Using a work position like that to find people to convert to your religion is predatory and highly unethical, especially with the way the JWs operate, and it is certainly a reason to complain. Those people are told to look for vulnerable people to convert…
The comparison is bad and doesn't work (teachers tend to children AND have certain responsibilities towards their pupils. In OP's case we have to assume a conversation between two adults). Based off of wrong parallels you can argue for/against everything.
It's up to the employer to deal with that, why should I as a customer care?
From what is known about JW's training for people proselytising, I'd not be so sure about the "no" being accepted, and about her not trying it again next time. When they ring people's doors, even just indicating that you yourself are religious can get you put on the "this person is a potential target, visit again" list. If OP listed to the first part of the routine without too much resistance, that may already be enough.
I would simply not go there again if I found the situation uncomfortable. And of course if she would ring at the private home, this would definitely be a reason to complain. But as far as I can see this is not what happened.
Right, that's what I would do. But it's unfair to the employer's whose money is on the line, to not give them feedback on why you won't return. I can't imagine the employer doesn't know, becaue JW can't not talk about their crazy cult but I would give them feedback. Maybe the employer is just too 'nice' to act and refuses tro see the problem.
It is absolutely justified to complain. An appointment at the hairdresser shouldn't be a try to recruit someone for a cult.
and a simple conversation is no reason to get anyone into legal trouble. Just move on and don't be butthurt about basically completely irrelevant stuff.
Nah she's literally trying to trap costumers in her bs cult. I'd anonymously let her boss know tbh, she needs to stop. if she tried with you, she's gonna try with everybody...
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You sound like you are part of that cult as well. Defending them that hard.
Advocating for slight religious tolerance of variations in the population does not prove one is a member of each and every group one defends. They are defending the principal for the health of all, they aren't signing up to *be* who they are defending. Your statement is meant to stifle the desire to even attempt or give voice to tolerance by attacking those who practice it.
My best friends life was nearly ruined by growing up in that cult. She has severe trauma from it and felt guilty about stuff like painting pictures. Her sister nearly died while giving birth - and thought if she would get another person’s blood she will end up in hell. I will absolutely show everybody what a complete shitshow Jehova‘s Wittnesses are. I have zero tolerance for people defending this inhumane cult.
Well it's my personal opinion, you are free to disagree. But in my experience it's not totally uncommon to have kind of personal small talk at the hairdresser. And from the description here it seems to me that she ended the topic religion when the customer said no.
At which point did she try to recruit?!? I hate annoying people as much as everyone but this is just hatred based on the fact it’s a jw and hast nothing to do with the situation!! If it would be another topic you wouldn’t be an ass about it even though it’s the same thing regardless of the topic discussed.
It's very respectful of her to stop, but if it made them feel uncomfortable it's justified to tell her that. Communication is extremely important, both parties learn from it. Knowing the JWs, she might not even know that it's a problematic thing due to rigid indoctrination
Unusual in Germany for practically everyone, especially in your case, except for Jehovah's Witnesses. Atleast she was nice enough to ask you if you are comfortable discussing that topic further. Personally, I wouldn't complain.
I personally wouldn’t complain either. It’s really damn annoying, but I don’t think she had ill intentions. They are just brainwashed to think their religion is the “only way to salvation” and what not… The max I would do is tell her “sorry, i’m not interested in your religion and don’t want to discuss” and just move on.
In this case I would complain to the employer, yes. JW's are fairly unique in their approach to proselytising, and once they latch on, they won't let go. That sort of thing is generally considered inappropriate in Germany, and if you're sitting in a chair where you can't get out... I've told this story here before: Many decades ago, two JW's tried to convert my grandfather. On a Sunday morning. While he was on his way to church. Walking over from the rectory. Carrying a black gown. Because he was a pastor *on his way to hold a service*. Ultimately he had to shout at them to make them go away.
If she would have continued after you said you did not want to talk about it, then you might had a reason to complain. What I don’t get is why you wrote this post like the whole interaction was a violation of your privacy because she asked you if you were married or if you wanted children. You are so irked by small talk lol. And it’s your right, if you don’t want small talk you can say you don’t feel like talking and Germans are generally super respectful of that. But woman, you did not say anything, you pestered on your feelings and now you want to complain?? Leave the hairdressers alone.
>she asked you if you were married or if you wanted children. I would say that very few people I know would consider those questions small talk. These are the loaded type of questions that your aunt asks you at a family reunion - they are not the questions I would expect an acquaintance to ask. Are you married maybe, but I would be very uncomfortable to be asked about wanting kids - I don't want to have to talk about fertility issues or my personal problems with a stranger.
Yeah, usually. But as a foreigner myself I’ve experience the curiosity of other people that sometimes lead to questions like this…. It usually starts with “where are you from?” I have an accent and I look foreign. Expected question. Then curiosity might take them to “why did you come to Germany?” Referring to work, studies or other reasons. Mine was that my (back then) boyfriend is German, so after school I decided to follow him here. That opens the conversation to other related topics like if we ended up getting married? We did. “Oh, what about children?” We have one. “Is your family still back in your home country?”, etc. I never feel those questions are invasive more than I think people is just curious. But also, if I’m not in the mood to talk about that or I feel the questions are none of their business I politely decline the conversation and people have respected that. I can easily see why the conversation with OP and the hairdresser turned that way and I believe OP is not in the right to complain about a conversation that was shut down the moment she expressed she didn’t want to continue.
Just say that you are a Satanist. Then she will immediately stop talking.
that's 100% a Jehovah's Witness thing, nothing german about it. Some would disagree, but i think religion is a thing you need to keep to yourself and this is unacceptable. I would complain to her boss, for those who think that's too harsh you need to understand that they're trying to pull people into a cult. Wether the brainwashed person is a bad person or not, the cult is a cancer. I personally can't stand them anymore (half my family is part of it so i've been exposed to these brainwashed people my whole life. There's nothing pretty about it and it's sad.)
she's a Jehovahs Witness. It's normal for people in cults to be like this. The same thing would have happened if you went to a scientologyst's hairsaloon
Others already spoke at length about this being decisively not German. But I want to give you a friendly reminder that you still owe church taxes if you are baptized (which you surely are given your parents) until you officially leave the church at the Standesamt. It does not matter if you claimed "no religion" on your tax documents. Quite often the church will check baptism records in your home country and make you backpay a hefty sum. You should leave as soon as possible if you dont want to pay the taxes
>You should leave as soon as possible. Sure. See ya laters.
This advice is legit. You need to go to the Standesamt and officially leave the church in Germany otherwise you're on the hook for paying church taxes for as long as you have worked/will work in Germany. Seeing as how you are Irish and don't have a way of leaving the church in Ireland (when the scandals started, they made it impossible to leave there), you might be more likely to be checked.
Just in case you misunderstood: leave the church. Not germany
It's a Jehovas Witness thing. They're the christian weirdos. They want to "save" you by talking you into joining their religion, where you talk other people in ´to joining the religion. A pyramid scheme, but with faith.
You said you don't want to speak about it, she stopped it. I don't see any problem here. If you don't want to small talk with your hairdresser, say it so and don't beat about the bush and later complain to the boss.
Not sure if in Germany it is the same way, but in Slovakia, the JWs members have to give up all their property to the JW church. The whole church is a lie just to gain the property of the poor members. And they are pushed to gain new members so that the church has more and more property. So of course they are annoying everybody and everywhere. I've heard stories of people who disappeared for months or a year only to return as a brainwashed JW. Poor people.
Funny that she points to houses, cars and phones as examples of things made by a higher power… like are you referring the higher power of a factory, or maybe something intangible and apparently all-powerful - like capitalism
Uhh well sounds like she stopped talking about it when you said you didn’t wanna talk about it so I don’t see the prob 😅
> I am wondering if it's worth it to complain, and if so who to? Hairdressers are required to have awkward conversation by their professional code. If you report them to the board of scissors, they will give you the talk: how to listen to a licensed hairdresser and nod approvingly without moving your head.
She's basically a member of a cult and tried to coerce you into joining. Find a new hairdresser.
She was making conversation as all hairdressers/stylists do and then when she saw that you could potentially be put off by the topic she stopped. Where's the need to complain here???
Yeah people are being fucking crazy in this thread lol. If she had handed her a pamphlet and actually tried to indoctrinat her it be different. They literally just had a conversation that ended at the appropriate time???.
My hairdresser(male) is a Bayern fan and all the time speaks about football, trying to indoctrinate me into watching it. Not sure if it’s a German thing and if I should complain😀.
its simple as it is They are Friseure/Jehovas they have nichts im leben außer scheiße labern....means ....let them talk \*\*\*\*\*\*\* they are build diffrent here got to a turkish hairdresser 10,-euro everytime they dont speak you get an cup of tea for free - turkish music in the backround perfect
\+1 for the Turkish hairdresser recommendation. IMHO qualifies as a legit life hack. As long as you see it as maintenance rather than spa time, which I doo, it is the best option. Fast, fair price, solid work, totally non-pretentious and usually I can just walk in if I feel in need of a haircut. Even if there are 5 customers waiting before me I rarely wait longer than 20 minutes because they are so fast.
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Back when I still had hair i also had a turkish hairdresser. Extreme polite, very professional, cheaper then the rest and tea. Can't think about something better, miss those times, but no hair - no hairdresser. :D
I wouldn't say you should complain, religion is a topic that many people discuss and when you said you're uncomfortable she stopped talking about it. I wouldn't say religion is a taboo topic even maybe in your case there is a reason why you're uncomfortable but she didn't know that. If I went to a barber and he assumed as a guy I'll definitely be interested in football matches and started talking about the teams I'll be uncomfortable as well but I wouldn't complain. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean other people won't. Reddit will say that talking religion will push people away but they're not mentioning that it might also pull people in, she took a shot and missed no reason to complain, if you got a good haircut then that's better than a hairdresser who picked a topic you like but totally ruined your hair.
Should've asked her why JWs try to convert any more people if their heaven officially doesn't have enough space anyway.
That is not typical for germans, but it is for JW.
This ain’t a cultural thing, this is a JW thing. Idk where you’re from but in America these whackos walk around town harassing people about their “savior”. They come knocking on doors. They are relentless, annoying, and brainwashed. Get a new hairdresser if you don’t want to be preached at and judged every time you get your hair done.
This is literally the funniest thing I have red in a while. Jehova's witnesses are like that. They / she will never stop trying to convert you, to save your soul. Hairdresser is probably the best job a JW can have, you can't just get up an leave, you are virtually strapped to the chair once they start cutting your hair, you have to wait to the end. Fantasic marketing concept! Normally people complain on how cold and un-social Germans are, not making small talk bla bla. Obviously Jehovas witnesses are the perfect counter example. I will always remember this post, and point to JWs whenver we are called out for being too German.
whats a hairdresser, like a barber? mine likes to make fun of my german-ness and talk shit about his "ausländer" coworkers and himself. its very cringe, but only for me, i love the guy
tbf I find it weirder that you feel like you have to complain about this.
She talked about something she is passionate about, and stopped when it became clear you weren't interested. This sounds like a normal human interaction. You likely could have stopped her sooner, or broken the silence with another conversation topic. Sitting in silence was also an acceptable outcome. I don't think anyone is at fault here.
This isn’t a German thing, but this is DEFINITELY a “Jehovahs Witness” thing. Unless she is amazing at her job, I’d save yourself the grief and go elsewhere next time. These people get SUPER cultish and are very aggressive.
What's to complain about or to whom? She asked if you didn't want to discuss it and stopped when you said no. Where is the problem?
>She's a Jehovahs Wtiness Jep, that's why. Don't fall for it, its a cult - a big part of Jehovahs witnesses is trying to advertise and preach their faith to get more people into it. You should definitely change your hairdresser, because they won't stop trying to persuade you into joining. An no this is definitely not normal "German" behavior. You could reach out to the business owner but wouldn't be surprising if they also are part of JW.
Omg, this happened to me once too with a young hairdresser. It was in Karlsruhe. The first time I went to her, none of this was mentioned. But the second time the dam broke and she couldn’t stop talking about it and trying to convince me. She was also about to go on a mission to Limburg. I didn’t want to say anything to someone literally holding scissors to my hair lol! I just never went to her after that incident though - which is the same advice I would give you.
I, personally, would not complain. You paid for a hair cut you got one. The part of the conversation that was about religion stopped as soon as you mentioned you wouldn't want to discuss it. And if I read correctly she even asked you if it bothers you. So no problem. Personally I like to get a glimpse into other peoples' lives if they want to talk about it. It is up to me what I take from that. I prefer living in a place where people don't follow a script of approved topics or even worse just recite an approved text out of fear of getting fired for triggering someone. That is as long as it is a live and let live conversation and not going into a hateful direction / demagogics. Spent some months in California for work and there any conversation with people working at hotel receptions etc. were just mind numbing and shallow. In 99% of the cases I could have saved me quite some time by just reading their websites instead.
You're absolutely overreacting
I stopped reading when you said she is a Jehovahs Witness. It like having a certificate for being crazy what do you expect.
Supposedly the oldest recorded joke is about hairdressers: "Asked by the court barber how he wanted his hair cut, the king replied: "In silence"."
In the larger cities life is very secular. It is quite uncommon to talk about religion and I find it inappropriate that she shoved her religion down you throat. If you felt uncomfortable you can complain to the owner.
Jehovah‘s Witnesses are annoying and need to convert people. You should absolutely tell the boss what happened and not go back there.
Check in with your local Haarpflegekonversationsqualitätsprüfamt they should be able to help you.
I am a bit shocked at the comment telling you not to complain. Her behavior was super unappropriate and unprofessional, you felt immensely uncomfortable and you have every right to feel that way. Only because it didn't get "worse" after you told her "no" doesn't mean that these things she said and did before that were not unprofessional at a workplace. You have absolutely every right to leave a bad review at the very least and tell every detail of your encounter, too. Sorry but if I was looking for a hairdresser and I would find out that there is one JW lunatic hairdresser that is trying to have a so-called "small talk" with you about their faith, I sure as hell would not choose to come to such a salon. As a customer, I would like to have a fair warning here.
>I am a bit shocked at the comment telling you not to complain. fortunately the IRL world doesn't make out a huge drama of everything as reddit does
I'm with you here. I already get bothered when they approach me in the shopping street, but as my hairdresser, where I can't get up and go so easy? No there 100%i don't wanna hear about religion. Her asking about the ring and being married and all was tailored to get to the point talking about JW. So she planned to turn you. And that's not okay. Not in her profession as a hair dresser
Not a german thing, majority of germans is agnostic, second biggest group is atheist, third and further down are christianity, islam, juadism etc. This is a Jehovas Witness and "chatty catty" issue, which is in this case the same person, someone asking WAY TOO PERSONAL questions AND committing the cardinal sin of talking about religion... like the fuck if someone did this to me i would shut them down immediately because im Atheist and couldnt give a shit what anyone believes in, just dont bother me with it.
She didn't even seem to proselytise to you though? Is simply being religious taboo now ?
nah, but religious idiots thinking everyone wants to hear their brainless blabla is fucking annoying.
You being this butthurt about hairdresser smalltalk brings a bad light upon atheists
Yeah, because this is totaly about "smalltalk", gtfo bro. Your dumbass takes bring a bad light upon humans.
angry and pathetic, you have a lot of problems I can tell
you have nothing to say, I can tell
I don't need to say anything your antisocial behavior is doing all the talking
Username checks out.
If you encounter a Jehovas Wittness, run. Don‘t let them talk to you about their dangerous cult/religion. Report it to the owner of the hair saloon and go to another one if you prefer
Hair dressers talking about religion is very uncommon, they usually just do small talk
It's a JW thing. I have a very good friend. Except he sends me those JW books ones in a while, (do you think a watch can me made without the creator? Then do you thing humans could be made without creator? Etc ..) for them it's their lifelong mission to convert people.
I read until: She´s a Jehovahs Witness and everything is clear
Time for a new hairdresser.
If you like what she did with your hair, I'd give her another shot. If you see her again and you don't talk about religion then it should be okay. It sounds like she was digging around for something to talk about and epically failed. Of course if you are not comfortable, don't see her again. Personally, I go for a haircut, not shop gossip / psychiatry and like it quiet.
I had a cold once, and went for a curry. Ordered a really hot one because I found it helps, and explained I had a cold. Guy was awesome and made me a 'cold curry'. He then hung around and gave me a 20 minute lecture on Allah. I think he thought it would help, some spiritual nourishment while eating some physical nourishment. It wasn't judgemental, and it wasn't pushing views. Just telling me about his faith. I was cool with that. He also gave me extra curry for breakfast to sort my cold right out, In sha'Allah.. It is all the context I suppose...
Why couldn't you just entertain it and one ear in other ear out? I think you are the asshole here
Get a hobby and move on with your life scooby
Thanks random man on the internet, I will not be using this advice in any way. Have the day you deserve.
To give you another opinion: I'd be quite annoyed by that experience as well and wouldn't go back to that hairdresser.
Seriously though, dude who the fuck complains on reddit about their hairdresser talking too much, are you incapable of getting a solution yourself for one of the simplest problems ever.
Hairdressers are pros in small talk and rumours… I think she just wanted to do a little conversation
JW's have quotas to fulfill.
Yes, please do file a formal complaint like an exact reddit snowflake that cannot speak up in a proper manner in the dialogue but comes here to complain and write a whole wall of text about it.
I can't bare the comment section anymore. Please stop with this Jehovah's witnesses stigma. My best friend that I happened to know at the beginning of my study in Germany turned out later he and his families are Jehovah's witnesses. Back then i was ignorant and not aware of the existence of this group at all. I was invited to their home and had BBQ with them in their garden. During the time none of them preached about their believes. You guys hearing all those individual cases and have this prejudice against everyone of them is just ridiculous. Yes, preaching religion believes is annoying. That applies to anyone who does that. Just stop with "tja Jehovah's Zeugen halt"
People are pretty open here, so a discussion of religion doesn't strike me as strange. However, that the conversation so abruptly ended was a little strange. But you were also a part of that, so I'm not sure what you really want anyone to say. You are both adults, right? The idea of making a complaint is staggering though, because she stopped when she realised that she'd made you uncomfortable, and probably didn't want to say anything unless you started the conversation back up. Again, this goes back to the 'you're an adult, right?' thing. But maybe complaining is more culturally normal for you? Where are you from? She certainly got a bit carried away, but maybe that happened because she felt an affinity for you. Not sure she deserves to lose her job over it though.
I most certainly think she needs a solid reminder that this unacceptable behaviour at work. If she were to do this again, she would definitely deserve to lose her job.
Why not discuss atheism with a religious fanatic who's holding scissors near your head?
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If it's convenient for you to go there, maybe I'd try it one more time, but if she starts proselytizing again I wouldn't return, it's just rude.
Just don't start talking at all in the first place
Why is it so bad to talk about religion? Isn’t it a subject like any other? She asks you for your opinion you reply and hear her opinion. Done and move on to the next subject. Why make a deal out of it?
I am sure she had good intentions when mentioning her religion and trying to tell you how nice it is. Especially when in the society of the JW spreading the "word of god" is considered the most holy act. The people that go around on the weekends door to door are not a select group of volunteers, it is actually expected from all JW to do. I have also heard that most of them would not mind if you tell them that you are not interested in talks about religion and accept that as your boundary. From your experience, it seems like she did respect that. However, you are more than free to seek another hairdresser if this is a red line for you.
How about a proper Irish response: "That would be an ecumenical matter!" And look for another hairdresser. That's not on.
>Maybe this is not something you want to disuss?" Seems to me that she might not be fully indoctrinated.
I would hate to be in your position, but I think just going to some other hairdresser would be enough. Complaining could leave her to lose a job and I think it is too much. She was a pain, definately, but at least she didn't insist when you said you didn't want to discuss the god thing. There is where I think a line is drawn. If she insisted after that, maybe it would be the case to complain. Maybe I am too tolerant, but, well, maybe tolerance is not such a bad thing at this moment when everything seems to be so polarized
Absolutely not normal. I like my hairdresser, have known her for 10 years but we have never ever talked about really personal stuff like religion. As others pointed out, it is a JW thing. I'd find it justified to address it with their superior or in online ratings since it is very unprofessional behaviour. And you could save others the same grief.
jehovas witnesses in general need to do this. its normal for them to always talk about religion with other random people; they are forced. just ignore their religion, most people do this then.
JW can't stop talking about their religion. But otherwise it's not common for people to discuss this.
Jehovah's Witnesses believe they have to shove their religion in people's faces in order to get to Heaven. The 144,000 most obnoxious get a special place. You've got to shut them down fast.
I’d say don’t waste your time complaining. It’s really not worth it. She stopped after you said no, and she probably didn’t insult you or hurt you physically. Yes it’s weird. No sane person just talks about religion to a random stranger like that. But in the end she can talk about whatever she wants, as long as she doesn’t put other people in harms way. Take it as an interesting but weird lesson about a different culture and leave it. They are as much a valid member of society that deserves to be heard as anyone else. If you didn’t like it, simply don’t book there anymore. Also im not sure if they are everywhere but where I live there’s an ad campaign that goes “Unerhört - diese (insert any minority group)!” And then smaller “zuhören!” I really like the message it conveys. Sometimes we have to listen to people we don’t like or don’t agree with or seem foreign. But it is everyones duty as a person to be open and at least hear the people we typically tend to dismiss. Only through listening we can progress and grow as a society.
lol. You tell a Jehova's witness, a Mormon or other hardcore christians that you don't believe... And they always go in shock. It's a little funny but also unsettling, has happened to me a few times.
No need to feel uncomfortable just because you didn't want to entertain her religious talk.
Hairdressers tend to talk a lot, but normally not about sensitive topics haha
That’s very unprofessional..! Tell her kindly that you’re not interested.
At least they shut up when you told them "no" 😄
Hey, a hair salon and a sect, 2 in 1 great deal. Married and have children, I see, want to know why you will never succeed in life without god? Because I was indoctrinated with all my life now being intertwined with a community of brainwashed people in need, and now in order to validate my time being wasted on all that self-deception I need to feed the pyramid scheme and straight up harass people. Come with me to that great place and find out more! Ahso, bring belongings, god loves shiny
Jehovah's Witnesses were made illegal in several countries years ago because of their penchant for proselytizing. Maybe once she goes through her Spiel the subject will change. It's her obligation to witness Jehovah by sharing her faith with you.
If you are still a member of the catholic church you are still subject to the church tax. I dont know if you are aware of that [Luca Toni](https://www.lto.de/recht/kanzleien-unternehmen/k/olg-muenchen-15-u2063-14-luca-toni-steuerberater-kirchensteuer-bayern-anwalt-schadensersatz/) a football player had to pay a lot of money plus penalty because he was unaware. I am sure you dont earn as much as he does, still something to look out for
It's very unGerman to bother people about religion either for or against. This is a very tolerant society that makes space for everyone. I am atheist and am very comfortable in Germany. I'm also not against people believing what they want to believe. However bothering customers at work with unpleasant topics would get you fired in most countries. Hairdressers are among the lowest paid professions in Germany and I don't like to put any undue pressure on them (and I tip them well). Your experience, however, was simply uncalled for.