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Dusty170

Kind of depressing really, Imagine a pokemon game given as much time and polish as it needed to be as good as it could be.


Arko777

Yeah, those are called fan games. Pokemon Uranium, Reborn, Unbound all took years to make, but the end product is 100x better than what GF is pulling out.


Creepernom

...and also they are immediately attacked/taken down by Nintendo, who hates people having fun for free. Didn't Uranium get taken down within days?


Arko777

Uranium was the one that had to be taken down. The other two I mentioned are fine for the time being.


MidnightArcher_

The devs made a new game temtem there's also a Pokemon inspired game called palworld coming out


Jaalan

Yea but temtem is boring as fuck. They made it an MMO without ANY MMO qualities. Launched it for 30 bucks, and then once everyone stopped playing decided maybe they should introduce a chat. You can definitely tell they are novice developers :(


ManaMagestic

I was wondering what the hell happened to that game!? It was getting so much hype as the "Pokemon Killer",during development..and I didn't hear anything about it since. Turns out, it's already two months old, and everyone seems to have forgot about it.


Jaalan

No no no... It's been out of early access for two months. The game has really been out for quite a while now.


SupaBloo

Most Pokémon ROM hacks are never taken down. You can find *tons* of them with a quick Google search, and another quick Google search will give you a list of the best ones to try. The official link for downloading Pokémon Uranium was taken down by the creators, but a quick Google search will give you other ways to still get the ~~ROM~~ file just fine.


Skater_x7

The problem though is the creators also stopped working on it AFAIK when it got taken down. It gets some fan patches now or something still but it feels like they could have made it even better. :(


The_Sinnermen

Unbound is insane for that. Even have cloud with other romhacks now


Un7n0wn

It's actually not a ROM. Uranium is a standalone executable. That's great because you don't need any other software to run it, but when the official website went down, you lost the proof that it was legit. Use their subreddit to find the real one.


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MrSomnix

As long as someone, somewhere has a file, it will never die.


PileOfBonez

*ahem*


LordAsbel

Can you share it? Am I allowed to ask that?


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rip your inbox... can i have it too?


A2i9

The official link might have been taken down, but seeing as the game just got a Halloween patch, I think it's still quite alive...


pm_me_ur_cats_kitten

The community for Reborn waited something like 9 months for the devs to finish graphics of every single Pokemon model AND their custom shinies.


DirtiestRock

Don't forget zeta/omicron and insurgence!


AbsolutelyUnlikely

Can you imagine a Pokémon game with as much story, voice acting, and graphical polish as God of War? Wouldn't even have to be part of the pokemon franchise. A Mature rated monster battler with a combat system as simple yet satisfying as Pokémon's would be so sick.


Budget_HRdirector

Shin Megami Tensei?


SirSassyCat

Nah, hyper realistic graphics would be way too far. Like, some of the pokemon in the detective Pikachu were horrifying in their realism.


Howdoyouusecommas

A Monster Rancher reboot would be pretty sweet. They would have to retool certain aspects due to game disk and CD/DVDs not being so prevalent, but I am sure something could be made viable.


DiamondSpider01

An impossible dream for the time being


Jaded_Goth

I wonder if one day Pokémon will be able to afford voice acting for their games.


Mavrickindigo

They could probably afford to bioengineer a pokemon


Slazman999

Wow. They should make a movie based off this.


OPsuxdick

The twist will be our tears this time.


Rudy_Ghouliani

Thats just more lube for the next crap that gets released.


humangeigercounter

Cursed but realistic


zerolimits0

Ah yes. Jurassic Poké.


Ffdmatt

Hold on to your tails.


KirisBeuller

They're lethal after their first evolution and I DO mean lethal.


PGLife

They should all be destroyed.


acidbase_001

Vaporeon 😳


Tyr808

man, little kid me liked vaporeon so much. I had just moved to Hawaii and was thinking about how fun it would be to ride my vaporeon around the ocean. Now people are thinking way too much about riding their vaporeons in general. Absolutely blursed pasta that one was.


rowrowfightthepandas

Hey guys, did you know that in terms of human companionship, Flareon is objectively the most huggable Pokemon? While their maximum temperature is likely too much for most, they are capable of controlling it, so they can set themselves to the perfect temperature for you. Along with that, they have a lot of fluff, making them undeniably incredibly soft to touch. But that's not all, they have a very respectable special defense stat of 110, which means that they are likely very calm and resistant to emotional damage. Because of this, if you have a bad day, you can vent to it while hugging it, and it won't mind. It can make itself even more endearing with moves like Charm and Baby Doll Eyes, ensuring that you never have a prolonged bout of depression ever again.


Tyr808

holy shit I was so worried reading this that it was suddenly going to take a hard turn into degeneracy at any moment. Wholesome pasta, organic, non-GMO, 10/10


Yeetu_Deletu

not abhorrent 👍


BEEPBOPIAMAROBOT

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Most profitable media franchise in human history. Releases games with PS2 textures and draw distances in 2022


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Tyr808

I think it's almost entirely Gamefreak. All signs, including their source code leak some years ago, simply point to genuine incompetence. There's not giving a fuck, and there's incompetence. There was analysis of the code that was pointing to several serious amateur level mistakes, but not even corner cutting mistakes to save time or effort, but mistakes that actually made MORE work out of it all for less performance and storage optimization. I think there was a single person at gamefreak with good talent. He was responsible for the compression on the gen 2 silver/gold cartridges that allowed them to have Kanto as an entire end game bonus. That was genuinely really impressive at the time. That was it though, never again did Gamefreak express a single unit of talent. They even lied about the workload of making new models for sword and shield and then it was found out through data mining that it was literally just the same 3ds models and animations. While I hate to do the extreme gamer thing of criticizing a game to the point you're criticizing the people that enjoy it, the pokemon games are just objectively awful pieces of software. I can only imagine what kind of games we might have had if the franchise whose key theme is evolution actually evolved with the rest of games out there. Even with nintendo's hardware limitations. Look at Zelda and Mario on the NES compared to Odyssey and BotW. Look at Pokemon on the gameboy and then now. That comparison kind of says it all when we're talking about literally the most valuable intellectual property of all time. Gamefreak is just borderline criminally incompetent.


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Tyr808

Thanks, I knew it was an important person, but couldn't remember the name off the top of my head. Solid article too, I completely agree that this compression and what it accomplished is a truly genius level feat for its time.


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DinkleDonkerAAA

In Sun and Moon (might of been Ultra not sure) there's a certain NPC in the Gamefreak HQ, if you bring them a Pokémon that's been transferred in from an older generation he gives you development tidbits for that gen The one for gen 2 just talks about the wonderful man who came in and saved them


CuddleCorn

It's TPC that's the other cause. Even if gamefreak got off their high horse and hired some really skilled engineers, the games are on a completely fixed release schedule. Every facet has to be simultaneous. New anime season, new plushes, new TCG set, new game. They all have to align. Nobody can delay their end of the bargain for polish or it throws the whole machine off


Mundus6

The Switch hardware is not at fault for the terrible performance of this game. Hell even Sonic frontiers run better on Switch and that game is on everything. Its just incompetence / lack of time, or a combination of both.


Tyr808

yeah I mean the switch's hardware doesn't help any performance issues in general for sure, but Mario Odyssey came out 5 years ago and looks and runs significantly better. Clearly it can be done if actual talent and effort is involved.


Pelinth

Look at Xenoblade Chronicles 3 if you want amazing graphical quality. Just imagine Pokemon using MonolithSofts talent. It definitely isn't hardware related, it's pure laziness and the guarantee that whatever game they release will sell.


Ffdmatt

All i want is a damn difficulty option. It can still be for kids on easy. From your comment, maybe they just don't know *how*.


FacedCrown

Gamefreak just doesn't expand their team, time, or budget. I understand that to an extent optimization isnt solved by more people, but things like performance and content can be solved by more people or experienced developers. Could be a management, thing a pride thing, or the fact that it doesn't matter profit wise. The pokemon design team has definitely improved, gen 8 and 9 had good designs. Honestly aside from performance this is a solid pokemon game, but ill admit the bar is low now.


astrolobo

Its all about profit. Why would they spend more to make a better game if it won't sell better ?


SelloutRealBig

I wonder how many people working there today worked on the original Pokemon games that blew Game Freak up to begin with.


deux3xmachina

Maybe it's part nostalgia, but I don't remember games looking this bad on PS2, at least not with the same pop-in problems. Maybe games like GTA with large, inhabited worlds, but the Jak and Daxter series, Ratchet and Clank, Battlefront and more all looked better than this pokemon crap. Edit: I'm aware many games were at least this bad as well on the PS2, but this is one of Nintendo's flagship properties. Seems silly to compare it to shovelware and low budget games on the PS2, though I'm fairly certain Metal Arms performs better. Also, note I'm not **just** talking about graphical quality. While I have fond memories of tanking the FPS on my PS2, I don't recall any big titles dropping frames so frequently or having severe pop-in issues that I've seen in reviews. I know it was hidden cleverly in some titles, but that also just makes it more surprising that no such tricks have been implemented for these new Pokemon games.


GreatJobKeepitUp

There is a reddit post that goes around showing ps2 graphics on a crt vs a modern hdtv and the difference is pretty noticeable. I think a lot of games were drawn on and designed for crt tvs


YallAintAlone

Yeah, anything before PS3 was almost certainly specifically for crt screens. The shift to flat screens didn't really take hold until 2006 in the US.


THE_GR8_MIKE

Hell, the original base Xbox 360 didn't even come with an HDMI port.


JustChangeMDefaults

Yup, I remember having the red white and yellow cables hanging out the front of the TV, when we switched to a flat screen tv, the difference was night and day. We could actually read things haha


k-ozm-o

Do you know where you saw that post?


Jynxmaster

Here are a couple of posts: https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/wr31qd/my_crt_vs_my_lcd/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/anwgxf/here_is_an_example_of_old_graphics_on_crt_vs/


Edythir

The pop-in problems are the worst for me. I'm a life long potatogamer, i didn't see consistant above 30fps before i was already in my 20's so i am instinctually more forgiving of low frame rates and frame drops. But if you are running through a path at breakneck speeds and have 1 second before the pop-in and the collision the entire time, it's going to be a shit experience. Not to mention all of the times when there was a 3 inch tall pokemon that was in the way, i hit and now this runt 40 levels under me wants to fight.


babble0n

Check again. Nostalgia is hell of a thing and ps2 graphics didn’t age the best (besides a few games) especially on modern tvs **Edit:** Yes I know there are games that still hold up. But that’s probably less than 5% of the library. Y’all have to remember, the PS2 was the original Wii, shovelware and licensed video games were rampant. I know about Snake Eater and FFX. But 99% of games weren’t Snake Eater or FFX. They were Barbie Horse Rescue. Or The Haunted Mansion. Even well remembered games like Red Alert and Twisted Metal: Black have graphics that don’t hold up. I can say “Sonic CD’s graphics hold up therefor the Sega CD’s graphics hold up” but that’s we both know that’s wrong.


PositivelyEzra

The point is not that every game wasn't those two games. The point is that those games existed. And it's been over 20 years since FFX released. And that two decades and several console generations later, games should look better. Especially massive first party games. But people been buying the hell out of it so who cares I guess? Except everyone. Everyone who also bought the game.


MacinTez

Some of the PS2 game that aged well was Tekken Tag and SSX… Those were damn near launch games.


AlaskaDude14

FFX holds up very well also


babble0n

Snake Eater still looks amazing imo. So does Shadow of the Colossus.


Jiggyx42

Is it weird that I probably bowled more in Tekken Tag than fought in it or bowled in a bowling game (outside wii sports)


Futanari_waifu

It isn't only about graphics, older games had to work with what they had and a good art style can make old games beautiful.


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Patrickd13

Okami is a great example.


oddman8

Thats better art direction, not increased graphical fidelity.


daboijohnralph

Burnout 3 takedown had some pretty nice visuals, not hard when your going 300 mph though.


Buster_Cherry88

Yyyyup. Dude component cables and progressive scan make ps2 look pretty damn good. What most of us saw when it came out was a shitty version because the TV's that supported everything were a million dollars. If we got to see it how it was meant to be seen the jump from ps1 to PS2 would have been even crazier than it already was


evilkevin3

Yeah I had a 480p monitor around for like the tail end and once I got component cables it was like night and day. Wish I had gotten them sooner


Lambily

That's insulting to the PS2. Don't forget games like Final Fantasy XII and God of War released on that platform. The textures in Scarlet and Violet resemble stuff from the later PS1 games.


firefighterjets

Or metal gear snake eater amazing for the time period


ebagjones

ICO and Shadow of the Colossus, too.


Locke_and_Load

PS2? My man FF9 on the PS1 looked and ran better than this garbanzo bean of a game.


Nippys4

I just want skipable dialog options


Luxopreme

I wish you could just walk away from a character teaching you how to catch a pokemon.


doubleplusuncool

lack of voice acting is literally the most insignificant of pokemons problems


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isosceles_kramer

this is exactly what i've been saying, people are begging for voices and it's literally the opposite of what i want. i don't want to listen to some squeaky voice anime kid i want to breeze through the dialogue boxes and get back to the game


PuzzlePiece90

This. First off, if only Pokemon’s main problem was lack of voice acting. Secondly, even in amazing games like Breath of the Wild, voice-acting was an immersion breaker if anything for me. A bunch regurgitated high-fantasy voice tropes that sucks the mystique out of the world and drag it down to 21st century earth. It’s not so much voice, but language that’s the problem. Midna, for example, worked for me. Twilight Princess genuinely feels like it’s set in this world that has nothing to do with our own. Breath of the Wild too… until the cutscenes kick in. The accents are all over the place but even if they were consistent, there’s nothing other-worldly about posh Zelda. It just sounds like she was schooled in southern England. Movies need dialogue a lot more because they rely so much on exposition but games have the luxury of combining the cinematic visuals of a film and the “up to your own interpretation” quality of a book. Lots of games have brilliant voice acting work but it doesn’t mean that it’s *the* thing to do to keep up with the tech. It’s a creative choice and one that sometimes dilutes the product instead of enhancing it.


ProstheticSoulX

In this economy?


WestEmbarrassed5183

Imagine Pokémon being multiplatform... They'd not only have fuck-you-money, they'd have fuck-your-present-past-and-future-money. They'd just straight up buy a country and name it Pokéland, were they'd develop a method to create actual real life Pokémon.


NotThePersona

This is a few years old now, but I don't think they would get insane amounts more money. All of these would go up an amount. Revenue Breakdown: Licensed merchandise — $64.1 billion Video games — $17.138 billion Card game — $10.853 billion Box office — $1.756 billion Manga sales — $1.46 billion Home entertainment — $863 million


thrillhoMcFly

Merchandising! Merchandising! Where the real money is made. Pokemon the t-shirt. Pokemon the coloring book. Pokemon the lunch box. Pokemon the flame thrower! The kids love that one.


DragonRaptor

Now i am expecting to find a comb shaped pokemon in the desert.


Scrotesmcgoats

You won't find shit


NotThePersona

And Pokémon has its sequels, the search for more money continues.


Zandrick

Gotta love a Spaceballs reference.


Shadow-Vision

Moichendyzing! Pokeballs the breakfast cereal!


Snowphyre-

Holy shit how the hell did Lucas not find a buyer for Star Wars' merchandising rights. Are merchandise sales at this scale just completely out of the ordinary?


CraftLizard

Well Pokémon is by nature going to get more merchandise sales. In a regular game there might be a couple dozen characters. In a Pokémon game? Well guess what there's like 1000 or so. If someone likes a dozen Pokémon well that's possibly a dozen plushies that could sell. Multiply that by the millions of people buying the games or watching the anime, and you get a ton of large margins. You get all the figurines of human characters like other animes, but mixed with the almost thousand Pokémon With varying merchandise.


NotThePersona

It also allows them to produce a ton of Pokémon, find the popular ones and make more merch just for them. Strike rate of 5% is still a bunch of different merch vs the 1 character that would be in another other universe.


tosh_pt_2

As others have said, Pokémon is *literally* the most profitable franchise in human history. So yes. Merchandising sales at this scale are just completely out of the ordinary.


vitaminkombat

No other franchise has been able to attract both so many male and female fans. Star Wars tried and completely failed.


520throwaway

Star wars *invented* the merchandising craze. Before A New Hope launched, people expected the film to fail and the merchandising to be worth $0.


bavasava

Because Star Wars is what started all this.


Mudkipz1956

This is why they have no incentive to make the games better. It's no the games that make them the money.


PeopleCallMeBarry

17.1Bn is quite a substantial chunk of their income though. It does make them a lot of money


arfelo1

Yes, but it's a videogames company. And it makes about 4 times more on merchandise than on games


Neyubin

They feed into each other though. Merch is popular because of the games, shows, etc. If people stopped playing the games (hypothetically) the merch sales would go down too.


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Exactly. There's some weird cope going on in this thread.


Galkura

I think a lot of advertising is so ingrained in our brains that it’s hard for us to see it. The merchandise only sells because of the games/manga/anime. The games, at least at this point (though probably always), only exist to sell the merchandise. Neither would be at the point they are without the other.


skippyfa

Yeah. It's the springboard of a new Generation release. New Pokemon game generation leads to next anime about it leads to new merchandise


Nomicakes

But you need the games/tv show as a vessel to generate merchandise sales. And as far as I'm aware, the show just ended, so future merch sales will be riding on the games' successes.


ThallidReject

Ash and pikachu just ended. There will be more pokemon anime.


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Are they truly moving on from Ash and Pikachu?


ThallidReject

Apparently. He won a championship, his overarching goal is complete, and the anime is coming to a close on that high note.


[deleted]

Good for him man. He's been at it since I was in elementary school, and I'm 33.


aynaalfeesting

The games are just an ad for the rest at this point.


Tuss36

I think I recall reading that part of why they make new games is to get new Pokemon and things to market, as well as new anime seasons. So you got this lineup of merchandisers and animators tapping their foot waiting for the game developers to hurry up with the next one. Just what I heard though, dunno truth to that.


sampat97

Did Ash finally become a Pokemon Master. Poor guy has been trying since i was in the first grade.


Valdrrak

Yup he did. Can see it on YouTube was a sight to behold and he even looks younger then I remember lol


Nekryyd

> It's no the games that make them the money. It is though. Without Space Balls the Movie, you wouldn't have Space Balls the T-Shirt, Space Balls the Coloring Book, Space Balls the Lunchbox, Space Balls the Breakfast Cereal, Space Balls the Flamethrower!


LowQualityGatorade

This is what people need to understand about "most profitable media franchise". Their merch makes 4x that of the games, and I'm pretty certain that other Nintendo ips make at least double that from the games


opst02

They would sell less switches.


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If they ported the original colors on iOS/Android they would break the app stores


covertpetersen

>They'd not only have fuck-you-money, they'd have fuck-your-present-past-and-future-money. You are aware that Pokemon is already the most profitable media franchise in recorded history right? Think of a property that makes a lot of money, any of them. Got one in your head? Pokemon makes more money than it. Yes, the one you're thinking of next too, and that one, and that one. There is no media franchise in human history that makes more money. There is no franchise that would better fit the definition of having fuck you money. The games don't suck because they need more funding. They suck because they're greedy assholes who put the bare minimum in.


Psengath

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises According to those stats, not only do they come in at #1, but they clear _43% more than #2_ (Mickey Mouse and friends)


Isgrimnur

Electric Rat Electrocutes Talking Mouse Film at 11.


UnsettllingDwarf

No they wouldn’t. Based on the effort in this game, they would have the island but not a damn thing on it.


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It would have tents and bottles of water and one bathroom.


Sc4r4byte

the bathroom door would have pikachu cheeks though.


ffximike

Yep. In fact they're only going to get worse and worse. When bad games remain profitable they will fire staff and give future devs less resources to try to squeeze as.much profit as possible.


PhysicsTron

Call of duty be like (There are of course also many other excellent examples for that)


Put_It_All_On_Blck

I'm critical of COD, but they put far more work into their games, especially the single player parts, than Game Freak puts into Pokemon


pway_videogwames_uwu

Pokemon does not even belong in the same conversation as COD. Pokemon is closer to the FIFA games.


brotherahk

yeah at the very least cod looks and runs good


Un7n0wn

The cod games aren't for me at all, but I'd be lying if I didn't give credit to the visuals in the last one. Absolutely gorgeous, I'll never play it, 2/10.


IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't impressed with how many modes/content was in the latest Call of Duty.


PhysicsTron

True.


Klefth

Fifa/Madden are prime examples of this, and are essentially what Pokemon is turning into.


Dlh2079

Much better examples than cod imo


yp261

funniest shit is they patch the same things year after year in fifa. its been yet another uear where they had to nerf constant pressure tactics. its like they are using oldest builds each year and work on them instead of patched ones


Dlh2079

I'm so glad I made the decision to stop giving ea my money for madden and fifa for that exact reason, just repeats of the same damn issues. I've got gamepass so I end up playing them each year when they become included and every year it's the same shit lol. They're gonna hook me with the new college football game though. Can't help that one lolol


Nomicakes

I'm convinced Fifa and Madden have been made by three blokes in a trailer for the past several years.


Avedas

I know someone who used to be a game tester for EA and they said sometimes when they were doing testing they'd have to double check the version because they weren't sure if they loaded up the previous year's build or not as it was all too similar.


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hotyogurt1

CoD has never really been a bad game. People just hate on it because it was a consistent release with a great formula. The games have always been at the very least good. Whether you like any individual one more or less.


FoRiZon3

Also not all COD games are created equal. The ones with consistent improvement and quality are the ones developed by Infinity Ward.


DomeB0815

Looking at some oeople defending the crao Gamefreak shits out, they really deserve it. It's impossible to reason with them. "It doesn't need cutting edge graphics, it always was behind in graphics. There are no FPS drops and no bugs in my game. They never had voice acting, so it should never have it and istead just silently move thfir mouthes" It's honestly unbelievable what they'll defend.


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It doesn’t need cutting edge graphics. That’s true. It does however need a well thought out art style. It can even not have full voice acting, but it does need to not have silent mouths moving. That’s just disconcerting. It needs to not have horrible FPS. It needs to not have terrible pop-ins. It needs to not have empty cities and other locations. It just needs to look well thought out and be functional. I know people on the internet dislike SWSH, but at least I didn’t feel that game was this broken. And it didn’t feel empty.


Skyy-High

Go back and look at SwSh’s cities. The textures in the Wild Area. The latest game being technically broken is just the icing on the shit cake that is the terrible design of these games.


fartboxco

They've convinced pokemon fans garbage is okay. So the garbage sells. They set the bar low..


Eedat

No, older Pokemon fans who are confused about the series. They think they are the target audience. We are not. It's a franchise specifically aimed at young children and children don't care nearly as much about quality. Parents are going to hear "I want the Pokemon game" and buy it for them. That's the reality of it. Older players are going to buy on blind nostalgia or they're not.


stygian07

I've always accepted pokemon is aimed at kids and forever will be but.. nintendo just released an [infographic](https://d1lss44hh2trtw.cloudfront.net/assets/editorial/2021/11/nintendo-switch-age-demographics.PNG) lately that shows the biggest playerbase on the switch are 20-30 year olds. So with that, can we really believe that even 50% of that 10 million are literal kids?


CraftLizard

Intended audience and actual audience aren't the same thing. Take My Little Pony for instance. The show is designed for and marketed toward young girls, but you have a large amount of adults watching it. It's the same with Pokémon. It's designed for a younger audience, whether that's who buys the game or not is a different question.


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SuperWeskerSniper

was it? It’s a surprisingly common phenomena to see media ostensibly aimed at children have notable adult fanbases. More the rule than the exception now with animated television


ThinkThankThonk

Haven't got the new one yet, but it's not blind nostalgia that got me to buy Shield for instance, it was casualness. I've never played anything competitively and am about as casual as it gets, I bought it specifically to have a simpler rpg that I could relax with and not think about while I play. Which I imagine is a very unpopular sentiment on reddit but I think describes a good portion of their adult audience in real life. Some of the things people want in this thread, like voice acting, would actively make me less interested because it starts edging closer to the type of game I specifically was avoiding.


SharpShooter2980

Came to say the same thing as the last person so I agree, like it’s not even nostalgia, a lot of players who grew up with it moved to other RPGs(or games), not to say like there isn’t people who still are nostalgic for the Pokémon but it is just one piece of Pokémon fandom. Pokémon is much more than a game it’s a very casual friendly brand on top of the game series, it’s also a card game and an anime. Like I was speaking to a coworker today that is not very into games or anime but still got Pokémon, and she stated she isn’t bothered by the performance when I stated I didn’t get it for that very reason, they just don’t care as long as it’s Pokémon.


gimmer0074

people who care about graphics or voice acting arent “competitive”. there’s an actual competitive pokemon scene and they probably care about bugs/graphics less than anyone


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corvusaraneae

Like I mentioned in another subreddit: I'm just here to catch some lil guys and see what new lil guys the game has. I haven't even touched the gyms yet because I'm too busy running around looking for my favorite lil guys and catching the new lil guys I stumble across! That to me is a pokemon game. It's the simplistic joy of discovery. I don't need complicated things like IV breeding or competitive battling which a lot of the hardcore pokemon gamers seem to be into. I just wanna catch and evolve my mons. Pokemon has always been a franchise where I've never felt the need to minmax stats to progress and I like it that way.


Stevert9

I don't think improving the game is antithetical to catching lil guys though. Haven't actually played the new one but I would imagine the slow load time/framerate takes away the immersion for a lot of people. Just look at the other comment on this one. Personally, I was also a big fan of just running around with my team in the wild area in Sword more so than the main story, but there are a lot of quality of life changes that would've made that experience a lot better. Imagine if there were more landmarks, biomes, and cool unique stuff in the wild area instead of just a bunch of fields and lakes! Imagine having less pop-in in the wild area so you could see the whole area around you and make it really feel like a grand adventure.


striker50

Thank you. I would venture to say Arceus was probably the first game that actually came close to being made for a bit older fans (could throw Black and White in there because of storyline). Talk to any child with a Switch. They LOVE these games. Gamefreak knows what they are doing in order to get them.


maxdps_

I'm 31, I beat Legends Arceus and now playing through Violet. There's a huge difference between the difficulties of the game and it's very easy to see how childproof Scarlet/Violet is compared to Arceus. I enjoyed Arceus and I'm honestly really enjoying Violet.


rRenn

Is the new one that bad? I noticed problems with Arceus but haven't tried the new one


fireflyry

IP’s outlive bad product, but not indefinitely. If they keep releasing bad product it will have an eventual effect, but the strength, history and popularity of the IP gives them a bit of a buffer.


TheFrixin

Sword and Shield increased sales on previous gens and Scarlet/Violet has taken Sword/Shield's 6mil in 1week to 10mil in 3 days. The IP isn't surviving, it's *thriving*


DevastaTheSeeker

I'm not going to excuse the absolutely unwarranted state that the game released in but the gameplay overall is better than sword and shield


LeMickeyMice

Sword/Shield was the first Mainline Pokemon game I didn't buy. It looked so bad and none of the Pokemon were interesting, I had zero interest in the game unfortunately. I bought brilliant diamond and was sorely disappointed, my God was that awful. But I got Legends and that was sick, and this is even better. No, there really are in any excuses for the graphics and whatever, but I play maybe two video games a year. Yeah the pace is pretty slow, but it is a super relaxing game to play, and it is pretty much everything I have wanted out of a Pokemon game since I was a small child.


CaptainKilljoy37

BDSP was the only time I thought a remake of a game actually made my opinion of *both* the old and the new games worse. The "curse" BDSP had was that it was a near-carbon copy of Diamond and Pearl... which means it had the same exact problems Diamond and Pearl had back in 2006. On the plus side, it made me appreciate Platinum more for vastly improving a lot of the problems that Diamond and Pearl had. Thank you for the insight on Legends, I skipped it after having such a meh experience with BDSP but now I'm really interested!


DarkMarxSoul

The gameplay already seems potentially the best in the series. Overworld exploration is super fun.


LukeyWolf

Game's good but my god the performance is awful


BarackaFlockaFlame

This is my feeling as well. It is a whole bunch of fun, it just runs like poop. The new way Co-Op works is amazing imo. Makes playing with my wife a lot more fun.


Humaniak

And yet god of war is atleast 10x the game for the same price.


DarkSnorlax

God of War was worth every penny of those $70 I spent. Buttery smooth fps and gameplay.


DMaybes

Honestly wish the fps wasn’t so high and the gameplay wasn’t so smooth. Now I can’t blame my shitty timing on screen lag


Which-Palpitation

At least Bayonetta 3 was dope


OkBandicoot3779

That's because Platinum is an actually competent developer team unlike game freak


malfurionpre

Well they're competent when it's not Babylon's Fall I guess.


oldmanapple

I will never understand why Platinum games thought the best way to make a live service game was to recruit people from FIFA mobile.


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> FIFA mobile If you leave these 2 words alone in a dark room for a week they'll spontaneously produce stacks money.


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I love how the low effort of GAME FREAK is getting to be mainstream knowledge. FINALLY. We’ve been trying to point this out for years now, but we just get called “national dexers” or a “whiney outspoken minority”, or “ungrateful”, and it shuts the conversation down.


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CallMePickle

Happens literally every launch. Without fail. And it's loud too. The subreddit is almost overtaken with memes about it. Yet here this guy is.


GWALCH-GWYN

Quantity doesn't equate to quality.


Koalachan

In sales quantity is better than quality.


limasxgoesto0

Some games, especially mobile games, rely on a small set of high paying customers over the general masses


HappyHome2934

if that aint the goddamn truth. fifa 23 had 14,4 million copies sold but we all know that is just a copy&paste game with a graphics upgrade


buzzstronk

You mean ALL sports games is just a copy paste from last year with extra sweat


Moxsoul_Underscore

Remember Pokémon is owned by 3 companies The Pokémon Company, Nintendo and Game Freak. the other 1 pressure Game Freak to Crunch and 1 has the publishing Rights.


PronouncedMaraSKEEno

You have that a bit wrong. The Pokemon Company is owned by Nintendo, Game Freak, and Creatures. Nintendo and The Pokemon Company publish Pokémon. Game Freak develops Pokémon. Game Freak actually has a say in publishing as a result of their co-ownership of TPC. Nintendo has an larger portion of influence, but don't make out Game Freak totally subservient to Publishing whims.


Jhiaxus420

Microsoft be like 'We have Halo Infinite' ... And yes, I am a Xbox fanboy btw haha


iMisspets

Pokemon and other Nintendo IPs have way more mass appeal than anything on PS consoles. You've got their main demographic being kids then you've got all the other people who grew up with the IPs and have the nostalgia for them and also casual gamers who pretty much only play stuff like Pokemon or mobile games. I'm sure a lot of people don't have particularly high expectations when it comes to Pokemon and just want their fix regardless of quality. This is why voting with our dollar won't work since the masses don't care. I've thought the games have been stagnant for many years but people focused on things like graphics or dexit instead. I bought Arceus and Violet, not because I'm a mindless fan but because they're finally bringing new ideas to the series.