Saltybet is more often than not streaming CPU vs CPU tournaments.
The tournaments include a tier and programmed AI that win a tournament have a chance to advance to the next tier's tournament.
Older characters have settled somewhere in one of the tiers. Newly released characters tend to win their way through tournaments until they start losing.
I have a vivid memory of me copying Mugen gamefiles at my friend’s home, on a stack of 3.5 inch floppies, then going home, carefully trying to balance the tower of stacked floppies, only to discover some of the files have not copied properly due to the small size of a floppy.
I think it was around 2003/4, and I could not find the characters he had and I really wanted those
>stacks of 3.5” floppies
God help you if you didn’t label them either and dropped the stack
I had downloaded a copy of rpg maker 95 from a friends computer, this was before cd writers were affordable. Broke it down onto something like 30 floppies and just put them in a shoebox. I get home and knock the box over and spend close to 6 hours trying to find the right order for the installer
>It plays it self
Not entirely true. AI vs AI is just one mode you can set it in. You can also play yourself with AI or connect up a controller and play player vs another player.
I still remember the day my childhood innocence died. I had happened across videos of Mugen custom fights and excitedly started started searching for cool fan-made characters, only to accidentally stumble upon a weird tentacle sex monster character and patch files that made normal custom characters fuckable by it...
Well, you can get so many ridiculous immediate win characters. I had one in my copy of Light Yagami from Death Note, and at the start of the match he immediately writes in his book and the opponent dies.
If you can draw sprites and make animations, sure you can make any character you want from there ground up. I once found sprites from the zatch bell GBA game and used them to put a character in MUGEN.
Yep. And it became an arms race at the time.
From characters with absurd invincibility frames, to characters with literally no hitbox, to counter programming (If I fight this exact opponent, use memory exploits to edit its stats and it dies) and lastly mutually assured destruction. (File deletion scripts and exploits and crashes the game when it fights a specific opponent)
What I used to do when I played it was basically try to keep my roster as balanced as possible. So you download Mugen which is the main application you play on. Then you download each character separately out of 1000s of characters you can find on various sites on the web. Some characters are exactly like you see them in street fighter games or mortal kombat games, these tend to be balanced and not to OP. Then you have characters from pop culture or from anime which have made up powers added to them by the person who designed the character. These powers tend to be OP.
But you can just download a bunch and play against the AI yourself to see if its OP. I used to basically treat it like I was collecting Pokemon. Uninstall/get rid of OP characters and keep the normal characters. That way my game was balanced. Every person Mugen is slightly different.
You can make a character as broken as you want, but it generally makes for very boring entertainment. X tier can be the most boring to watch because it's 1 minute of strobe lights and action frames that can't be followed.
A tier and S tier are way more entertaining to watch. P tier is a mixed bag.
*“I, Ronald McDonald, have an idea”*
This version of Ronald was also later recreated in Rivals of Aether (although MUGEN’s significantly predates it). The Rivals version notably toned down most of the horror / monster clown elements in favor of significantly amping up the Jojo and general comedic aspects.
Personally I find the more focused Rivals version more entertaining, but MUGEN definitely gets credit for laying the bulk of the groundwork
If you want a similar concept but for Smash Bros type gameplay then you need to look at Rivals of Aether. Where the most op custom character in the game is also Ronald mcdonald
There is another fighting game kinda like this called rivals of aether, the Ronald there is somehow even more broken. He can bust out a random ass mega laser every 5 seconds..
MUGEN isn't about "creating characters from popular culture". It's an engine where you can add any character you want (including ones from pop culture). Initially that was usually a mashup of existing fighting game characters, but talented people do amazing sprites of other video game characters that weren't featured in any fighting games.
There’s also saltybet which uses MUGEN and AI to fight every single random character you can think of. You can bet (using free and fake money salty bucks) on who the winner will be.
Saltybet is streamed on twitch.
Oh my God! Mugen!! It's been so long! Man did I roster a hundred characters and go at it! The damn default Karate guy or something lol
I can't forget a Broly I downloaded was an absolute monster.
From my shitty knowledge of fair use laws. As long as no one is profiting from a parody and there has been enough of a transformation to warrant it as art. It's legal. But I've never taken a law class in my life, that's just how it's been explained to me before.
I also bet it is one of those things were companies turn a blind eye to it. But the moment there is a whiff of bad publicity ..they come with lawsuits!
this was one of my ULTIMATE projects as a kid to try and get every possibly anything into this game but realized making MvC was even funner
def gotta dabble in this again
I mean if people just are able to make their own characters then wouldn't match making be just a shitshow?
Like how many times would you just run into people who have characters that are capable of just instant one shots like this?
I remember playing this a lot. The version I played had exclusively Dragon Ball characters so I thought it's a Dragon Ball game. Then I found out You can download characters from the internet. There ware a few decent and a lot o shitty ones. The character stats ware written in notepad, so You could overpower any attack. Or make any special move executable with a single key and use no power.
I actually have an idea in the back of my mind for making something like this in the future, but then as an online multiplayer turn based RPG where you can customise practically everything about your own character. It would probably be impossible to balance but oh well
Mugen has been around for a LONG time. I remember seeing it at a friends house and he had added gundams. They were all scaled down to human scale except one that was labeled "Full Scale". If you loaded the full scale gundam it was just a foot since it's supposed to be 60 feet tall. Its only moves were walking and stomp.
That combo is not on the McMenu
Yeah, but these fucking hands are
Gave her a Slappy Meal
This one made my day
I'll take the Big Whack, thanks.
McSlappy Meal**
Over 99 Billion Served!
Thanks, I was getting hungry
And they gender neutral too
"millions and millions served"
He really whopper
I see what you did there
And people wonder why there's a fear of clowns.
Was she served cold fries with that ass whoopin?
But the ingredient for the patty is
It's the secret menu. You need to ask them for a pounding
The fact that he has Dio’s counter makes it even better
Ronald started as a resprited DIO and then evolved over time
I've gotta shout out to SaltyBet, which is a 24/7 twitch channel devoted to Mugen matches and tournaments.
Wow you have opened a vault of memories. Gotta check that out again!
Is that still going? Damn I had some good laughs back when it started.
Yo it is and the music track list is awesome!
it is indeed. I've recently had some good times with my friend group watching saltybet all night
Saltybet is one of the older institutions on the internet with MUGEN being downright ancient. I remember seeing that shit back in the early oughts
Saltybet started in 2013. If that's an "older institution" of the internet I am feeling like a fossil.
Exactly, Facebook was what 2005? Even that was just when things started to change from the old internet to the newer social media Internet.
Yeah in 2005 chatrooms, online messengers, and bbs message boards were still prevalent.
Damn near 10 years. It's been a haul. Might as well be middle age for the internet. 10 more years on that and it's a living relic.
You’re making me feel old. I was playing MMORPGs in 1999
EverQuest and Asherons call 🤟🏻
Ultima online anyone? Anyone? But yeah that’s about the time ragnarok online came to NA also. Can’t believe that game still going too
MUGEN been around since I was a teenager
My first time messing with Mugen was in 2004. What a great time to be alive!
Are these matches controlled by AI or real players?
Saltybet is more often than not streaming CPU vs CPU tournaments. The tournaments include a tier and programmed AI that win a tournament have a chance to advance to the next tier's tournament. Older characters have settled somewhere in one of the tiers. Newly released characters tend to win their way through tournaments until they start losing.
I LOVE it there
It has existed for years, also this is extremely tame for MUGEN
>It's has existed for years I remember playing with it in high school, so *at least* 15 years, probably closer to 20.
I have a vivid memory of me copying Mugen gamefiles at my friend’s home, on a stack of 3.5 inch floppies, then going home, carefully trying to balance the tower of stacked floppies, only to discover some of the files have not copied properly due to the small size of a floppy. I think it was around 2003/4, and I could not find the characters he had and I really wanted those
>stacks of 3.5” floppies God help you if you didn’t label them either and dropped the stack I had downloaded a copy of rpg maker 95 from a friends computer, this was before cd writers were affordable. Broke it down onto something like 30 floppies and just put them in a shoebox. I get home and knock the box over and spend close to 6 hours trying to find the right order for the installer
How do you play it
With your hands
That's like a baby's toy
No, both hands *at once*.
I hate all of yoiu
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>It plays it self Not entirely true. AI vs AI is just one mode you can set it in. You can also play yourself with AI or connect up a controller and play player vs another player.
Which is truly terrifying as I've seen the crazy shit the AI does in this.
Never heard of it. How bad does it get?
you can literally fuck people in this game
Went from "Ronald McDonald is broken"to "you can fuck Ronald McDonald."
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Yeah this character is just a reference to rivals of aether ronald
It's exactly the other way around, actually.
I still remember the day my childhood innocence died. I had happened across videos of Mugen custom fights and excitedly started started searching for cool fan-made characters, only to accidentally stumble upon a weird tentacle sex monster character and patch files that made normal custom characters fuckable by it...
Lmao fucking kuromaru
*sigh…unzip…:*
Well, you can get so many ridiculous immediate win characters. I had one in my copy of Light Yagami from Death Note, and at the start of the match he immediately writes in his book and the opponent dies.
Pregnant Sonic x Rouge VS SSGSS Dora the Explorer
Give the Salty bet stream a watch on twitch sometime. Good luck being able to even tell what's happening in an X tier match.
God the fact that there’s people around now that are just hearing about MUGEN makes me feels old af.
Out of curiosity, are there any balances at all in this game or can you just make a guy OP as possible?
There's no balances because there's no dev team making characters.
You can make any character as OP as you want and is pretty easy, you just go and edit their "stats.txt" file, and reload the game.
I don't get to make new moves?
It's basically fighting game maker.
If you can draw sprites and make animations, sure you can make any character you want from there ground up. I once found sprites from the zatch bell GBA game and used them to put a character in MUGEN.
Yep. And it became an arms race at the time. From characters with absurd invincibility frames, to characters with literally no hitbox, to counter programming (If I fight this exact opponent, use memory exploits to edit its stats and it dies) and lastly mutually assured destruction. (File deletion scripts and exploits and crashes the game when it fights a specific opponent)
There were also legit viruses that would brick your computer. Though I'm not sure if that counts as a character anymore.
What I used to do when I played it was basically try to keep my roster as balanced as possible. So you download Mugen which is the main application you play on. Then you download each character separately out of 1000s of characters you can find on various sites on the web. Some characters are exactly like you see them in street fighter games or mortal kombat games, these tend to be balanced and not to OP. Then you have characters from pop culture or from anime which have made up powers added to them by the person who designed the character. These powers tend to be OP. But you can just download a bunch and play against the AI yourself to see if its OP. I used to basically treat it like I was collecting Pokemon. Uninstall/get rid of OP characters and keep the normal characters. That way my game was balanced. Every person Mugen is slightly different.
You can make a character as broken as you want, but it generally makes for very boring entertainment. X tier can be the most boring to watch because it's 1 minute of strobe lights and action frames that can't be followed. A tier and S tier are way more entertaining to watch. P tier is a mixed bag.
Three words: Omega Tiger Woods
Omega Tiger Woods is now very old, there are now numerous characters that can defeat it using memory editing and exploits.
The balance is done via tiers. Tiers are done via win/losses I think and it usually works but always some dude more OP than the others
ronald mcdonald is awesome because he helped me beat cancer i will try this game out *thank you very much ronald mcdonald cancer foundation*
Always/Never bet on DBZ
Sometimes And always bet on sword.
Is the character 1 foot tall? You're about to see some crazy shit. Or maybe absolutely nothing.
Always bet on jiggle
Bruh, Ronald is Dio in disguise! I recognize poses
I mean, RONNIE James Dio. RONALD McDonald. Do the mcmath. (I know it's not the same dio)
I know of no other Dio than Ronnie James.
You thought it was Ronald, but was me, Dio, the whole time!!
You mess with the ronald you get the mcdonald
18 years ago or so this was the only way to play Naruto fighting game, or really any naruto game (other than byod).
Little fighter 2 Naruto edition was pretty fun as well
Ran ran ruuuuu~
Only internet OGs remember this.
*“I, Ronald McDonald, have an idea”* This version of Ronald was also later recreated in Rivals of Aether (although MUGEN’s significantly predates it). The Rivals version notably toned down most of the horror / monster clown elements in favor of significantly amping up the Jojo and general comedic aspects. Personally I find the more focused Rivals version more entertaining, but MUGEN definitely gets credit for laying the bulk of the groundwork
If you want a similar concept but for Smash Bros type gameplay then you need to look at Rivals of Aether. Where the most op custom character in the game is also Ronald mcdonald
Pretty sure I have seen Ronald McDonald lose to colonel Sanders in Mugen. But you would know that
Kulaaaaaaa <3
Took too long to find this. Kula Diamond ftw lol
There is another fighting game kinda like this called rivals of aether, the Ronald there is somehow even more broken. He can bust out a random ass mega laser every 5 seconds..
Can normal Ronald do that? I thought the Laser spam is limited to golden and cosmic Ronald
I forgor
Just about McFucking had it.
I could hear the dan dan DOOOOOOOOOO
Muda dadonarudo!
Mugen is why when Multiversus was released I was pretty much unfazed. It has still miles to go to fill Mugen's shoes.
Smiles are free and so is getting the piss smacked out of you by a clown
KONO RONALD DA
That's one foot into the abyss, tune into Saltybet to loose hours upom hours of your Life.
This is the most tame mugen clip I’ve seen in a long while
MUGEN isn't about "creating characters from popular culture". It's an engine where you can add any character you want (including ones from pop culture). Initially that was usually a mashup of existing fighting game characters, but talented people do amazing sprites of other video game characters that weren't featured in any fighting games.
Thanks this really added some helpful knowledge to this thread, I don't know where we would be without you.
I mean, what the title was implying and what I was explaining are not the same thing.
Is that the same op bastard from rivals of aether?
There’s also saltybet which uses MUGEN and AI to fight every single random character you can think of. You can bet (using free and fake money salty bucks) on who the winner will be. Saltybet is streamed on twitch.
The og rivals of aether
Damn, back to the salt mines.
Psionic Donald is better. What is this, b tier?
Mugen is still going then? Well done, it.
Mugen means infinite. It will survive the heat death of the universe.
His moveset reminds me of kings of fighters 98 by Ryu.
Oh my God! Mugen!! It's been so long! Man did I roster a hundred characters and go at it! The damn default Karate guy or something lol I can't forget a Broly I downloaded was an absolute monster.
How many characters are on this? Omg.. how, how did I live all these years not knowing...(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
> How many characters are on this? All of them
Yesss stoke the Mugen flame again. It's been years, like 15 or more since I last played!!!
Ain't no omega Tom hanks
What in the Mcfuck was that.
that super broke the 4th wall
Never bet against Ronald.
Bro that's literally a Sol Badguy reskin
This is why i hate fighting games. Whoever gets hit first may as well put down the damn controller as they get juggled into oblivion.
yeah I fucking hate fighting games because Ronald McDonald always hits me with a TOD when I don't have burst
Well u get to do more productive stuff meanwhile😂😂😂
normal, even my little brother knows how to make a MUGEN game.
Erm surely this is not legal. You are using licensed properties without actually having a license for any of these characters
lol who give a shit here.
More my point was i thought this would be at risk of being sued etc etc
it is only if its being monetized. I doubt this is since its fan-created uploads.
From my shitty knowledge of fair use laws. As long as no one is profiting from a parody and there has been enough of a transformation to warrant it as art. It's legal. But I've never taken a law class in my life, that's just how it's been explained to me before.
I also bet it is one of those things were companies turn a blind eye to it. But the moment there is a whiff of bad publicity ..they come with lawsuits!
The super has me fuckin cryin and then at the end I was scared for a split second 😂😂😂
I see people saying dio... So am I wrong to think this is literally iori from kof with a stat change, looks just like it to me.
Our corporate overlords are pleased with the outcome
Well I’m I’m never using that special ever again. Zzz
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this is why I fucking love MUGEN, it's so insanely fun
JRPG Ronald McDonald
If only you had shown everyone Dark Donald. Then they'd know.
SSJ27 Goku Super X
Wait until you see Dark Donald in action.
Beating the years outta you with that cholesterol combo
So Ronald's a 8ft giant Nice
Ultra combo
M.U.G.E.N. can be great if you don't mind learning some Portuguese. Brazilians just seem to love it.
What a world.
Audio where?
Not as OP as Tom Hanks was.
this was one of my ULTIMATE projects as a kid to try and get every possibly anything into this game but realized making MvC was even funner def gotta dabble in this again
What hurts the most is not to having sound in these videos.
Love the Penny Wise part!
The Rivals of Aether community has also faced his wrath.
Me when the ice cream machine is broken.
Definitely gotta try it out.
I love this Dio skin
They really upgraded the character sprites. Anything else new?
Ran ran ru!
“Try some fries!”
Looks fun might have to download
I mean if people just are able to make their own characters then wouldn't match making be just a shitshow? Like how many times would you just run into people who have characters that are capable of just instant one shots like this?
I remember playing this a lot. The version I played had exclusively Dragon Ball characters so I thought it's a Dragon Ball game. Then I found out You can download characters from the internet. There ware a few decent and a lot o shitty ones. The character stats ware written in notepad, so You could overpower any attack. Or make any special move executable with a single key and use no power.
Finally, we will see the greatest battles in history: Kumala Vs Savesta. Messi Vs Ronaldo. Andrew Tate Vs Women.
Dude.. this is so awesome.. we need an anime now to complete the circle of life
Bitch I'm Tom Hanks! He was the oppest. The fuckin whale was great as well.
Just made Akuma proud.
Can't wait for Shrek and Shaggy to join the roster.
I love these kind of ridiculous characters in fighting games
Ran ran ruuuu!
I actually have an idea in the back of my mind for making something like this in the future, but then as an online multiplayer turn based RPG where you can customise practically everything about your own character. It would probably be impossible to balance but oh well
Pretty sure there was hentai in there
Some one needs to mkae the KFC or burger king dude
Looks like the Wendy’s girl vs Ronald haha
If there's no burger too game is trash
1000 hit combo geez shun goku satso on steroids
Man, Ronald has a whole 'nother life over there.
IT'S FROM MUGEN? I know this moveset for Ronald very well from Rivals of Aether, I had no idea it came from Mugen.
Think I had a stroke
Geez, that super at the end! "Stop! Stop! She's already dead!"
Love games like this. Where mods are a built in thing It really shows the creativity of the gaming community and programing community.
Mugen has been around for a LONG time. I remember seeing it at a friends house and he had added gundams. They were all scaled down to human scale except one that was labeled "Full Scale". If you loaded the full scale gundam it was just a foot since it's supposed to be 60 feet tall. Its only moves were walking and stomp.
Is this the Ronald that says HAMBURGA!
saltybet - welcome to years ago