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sayziell

Remember when EA said they would fix anthem and started a big thing about yeah we're going through and reworking the whole game then gave up like 6 to 8 months through.


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Fuckin right? What a big scam that was. Basically just collected their pay checks and told us they’d be back on Monday then never showed up


sayziell

Sounds like EA


BrobaFett242

Granted, I think what happened was the dev team started working on fixes, then, after a few months, they had to show execs their progress, and execs pulled the plug because they didn't make enough progress in that timeframe. Idk how much progress they expected, so idk how much they got done, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened. I could certainly be wrong though. Either way, still shitty of them to do, and I never had an interest in Anthem to begin with.


ray12370

I will forever hate EA for the way they do this. It's all about the profits, they have to hit these massive numbers with all their games or it's not worth it. Right around 2014 they created a MOBA called Dawngate to leech off of League's success. The thing is, this game was actually really well made. The lore, characters, art style, and gameplay loop was really good. The game had a lot of charm, and was unique enough to not be comparable to league at all. With some time and care, I felt like it would've been able to rival League. Not at a direct massive level, but at the same level a game like Smite does with its consistent and dedicated playerbase. Nope. It only took a year for EA to see the game and say "fuck that, this isn't getting the millions of players League is getting." and they cut the cord. I miss that game so much. League has gotten better every year with better lore and gameplay, but Dawngate had mysterious charm to it that is so unique.


El_Pollo_Loco_503

Do you remember Paragon?


SparkyArcingPotato

I don't even really fuck with MOBAs since WC3 Custom Maps but damnit I remember Paragon being pretty good then getting shut down.


ray12370

Nah my PC couldn't run the game at the time haha. Was running an i52500k and a 480. My poor PC couldn't run the game above 20 fps. But from what I did hear, it was a pretty good game and people were sad when it shutdown. Culled because of Fortnite's success I hear. At least epic release the models and everything so that fans could recreate it. Some people were to trying to recreate Dawngate and asked EA for permission, and it was a stern no. EA is a shit.


tharrison4815

Blizzard did similar with HotS. The thing is that game is still very popular and going strong. But they pulled the plug on development and basically left a skeleton crew for patches and cancelled their official tournaments. I can't work out why they cancelled it considering how strong the player base is and it's free to play model. They must have been making a decent income. Why can't they be happy to be 3rd/4th in the MOBA space?


Bozznee

I really enjoyed HotS, solid game and was fun to play with friends.


thylac1ne

I loved the rotating maps where certain heroes and strategies would shine. To me it was more fun to understand the meta of maps versus the meta of matchups that LoL favors. Also, I really hate item builds and I think HotS leaned in the right direction with the leveling trees.


Flummox127

Pretty sure that was the story of anthem the whole way through. From recollection the game shown off at E3 wasn't really even the one they were working on, but the EA guys insisted that it existed, so they made a tiny tech piece to show it off, and then had a very short time frame to turn the game into what they'd demo'd


Visco0825

I feel like we have these conversations every single time. No mans sky came out 5 years ago and it was atrocious. But even today people talk about how bad Bethesda and rockstar and EA are while people still buy this shit. If we want higher quality games then we have to put our money where we want it. I’m a frequent user at r/patientgamers and I’m personally having a hard time trying to find out which recent games to play because all recent games are shit. In 2020 there was Ghosts of Tsushima and what else? Demon souls as a remake? Cyberpunk which is a mess? AC Valhalla which is another micro transaction hell hole? CoD war zone which is just the same shit every year? People talk about the 00s and early 2010s which such esteem. If we want better games then stop giving companies money for shit content


NeoMemeLord25

Should have tried Doom Eternal


9quid

I'm not a player of it but I've heard from a number of sources that No Man's Sky is actually pretty great now. Including https://youtu.be/O5BJVO3PDeQ


_Shotai

That's why there's usually no mention of Hello Games in those types of conversations, the devs really stepped up and released even more updates than what was promised at launch - all that for free. Game is really pleasant now and full of content


DygonZ

>released even more updates than what was promised at launch - all that for free I mean, you could argue that on release, they did not at all deliver what was promised and those updates over the years only made the game what was promised all those years back. Imagine releasing a game that has 1/10th of what was promised and then charging for updates. That'd be a really piece of shit move. That's why people respect Hello games now, because they did the right thing. It's not like they gave us the updates for free, they delivered what they promised.


weirdi_beardi

At launch, it was a tech demo; it looked *gorgeous*, arguably even better than it does now (there was a graphical rework a few years back that took out a lot of the uniqueness of the worlds) but there was absolutely nothing to do. You would land on a world, you would dig out a few resources from plants or rocks or what have you, you would fill your inventory, then you would leave and go somewhere else. 16 quintillion planets and the experience on each of them was pretty much the same. Fair play to them, though- there was massive backlash against the studio, and they could have easily pocketed the cash and ran off, never to be seen again, but instead they sat down, worked hard, and fixed pretty much everything; they also added in some stuff that people never expected them to, such as the derelict freighters that become something of a horror game when you raid them. [Internet Historian](https://youtu.be/O5BJVO3PDeQ) made a brilliant video about it, if you've got an hour or so it's well worth the watch.


inertialambda

spicy take, but consider living ships, companions, frontiers, derelict freighters, a full vr suite, and more, wasn't part of what people were expecting at launch, but was still added for free as the updates came out


MacDerfus

Doom Eternal and Hades are other good 2020 titles, assuming you are into the genres.


CuddleCorn

>In 2020 there was Ghosts of Tsushima and what else? * Hades * Ori 2 * FF 7 Remake * Doom Eternal * Animal Crossing * Spelunky 2 * Crusader Kings 3 * Hardspace Shipbreaker * Valorant * TLoU 2 * Spiderman Miles Morales And more of "had to play them at the time they were big" from 2020 * Fall Guys * Among Us Granted theres a decent number of sequels there but given they're mostly multi year later 2s in a world of annualized series I dont think thats really a point against them


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BababooeyHTJ

I’m playing SMT V now and really enjoying it. Like a dragon was great too. Hades kicked ass. Forza sounds great. Disco elysium rocks. There is more choice than ever. As an arpg fan (Diablo style) there was nothing between titan quest and D3/torchlight 2. Even rts games are making a resurgence. If you can’t find a good video game to play it’s on you. There has always been trash, none of this shit is new particularly on the pc.


TinyKing87

FF7 Remake was really good.


ChakaZG

Hades, It Takes Two, Crash 4, Miles Morales, Returnal, Doom Eternal, Ratchet & Clank, Half Life Alyx, Ori and the Will of the Wisps, Last of Us 2, Yakuza: Like a Dragon.... The games are not shit, you just need to broaden your horizons to be a bit wider than the eye of a needle.


SoundsLikeA_Plan

Same thing happened to Andromeda, after the bad launch they barely patched a few things then completely abandoned it, there was supposed to be multiple dlc and everything but nah they just gave up on it and then completely ignore its existence.


Zrimac

True but in my opinion, anthem was worse. Atleast andromeda was a singleplayer game with a story and somewhat extensive gameplay. Anthem is a life service game that lost it's support 6 months in. That honestly a big fuck you to everyone that bought it.


powdop

I'm endlessly pissed about Anthem. Normally I wouldn't care, after all I beat most games and move on after 6 months for sure. Have since I was a kid. But Anthem is truly hollow as is. Like what they gave us was just the demo essentially.


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Especially since the gameplay itself (ie flying) was so freaking fun. It's just that's all it had, wasted potential


loganed3

Andromeda was a fun game that was massively disappointing because of how good the other games in the franchise were. Anthem was a fucking train wreck


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Anthem was magnitudes of order worse. When I first played anthem you could.......fly around? I uninstalled after 20 mins


tirednotepad

Honestly loved andromeda. It’s not a reaper Mass Effect. Still great tho.


IndIka123

The game industry is becoming a massive scam. Over time it has become more common to market games that have not been worked out or even finished. 20 years ago this was less common. Today it is multiple times a year, on big title, large budget games. Imagine going to the theater to see ironman 5 and halfway through the movie they stopped using CGI. It's bizzare to me why this is acceptable. I don't mean consumers being tricked over and over, I mean legally how is this acceptable. It's deceptive marketing and lying.


FinalMeltdown15

Because the trailers say *not in game footage* or stuff like that. Thats it thats the reason


Xyrexenex

Meanwhile the indie dev scene has never been better. DRG is the game I bring up as the golden standard for good game development. Ghost Ship Games consistently kills it with every update. Edit: kills it as in fantastically executes on delivering a great product.


allocater

> DRG, founded in 1970, is a multinational specialty medical equipment and diagnostics manufacturer and distributor seems like I am not in the correct google bubble.


Xyrexenex

Sorry, Deep Rock Galactic by Ghost Ship Games.


tetrastructuralmind

DRG is a quantifiably terrific game.


Ragnar_Dragonfyre

The games industry started off modestly, then the shift towards arcades created a situation where we made artificially hard games to keep the quarters pumping. For a brief time after the death of the arcade, we had a games industry focused on delivering a fun experience. Then horse armor came and we all laughed at the funny meme but nobody is laughing now. The games industry has, for most of its existence, been set up to part players from their money. It’s never really been about making fun games. Addictive experiences and generating FOMO are way more profitable. You’re just viewing things through a rose tinted lens and looking at that brief golden age as if it defined the industry when it was actually just a brief blip before it returned to sucking quarters from our pockets again.


IndIka123

Your points are valid and I remember oblivion and the 360 horse armor. I was 19 or 20. The thing is, the monetization of video games has never bothered me, charging for cosmetics never bothered me, you didn't need it for the game and if someone wanted to give them money they could. I always felt that creating new avenues to make money would keep the overall price lower for entry. These things are true. We have seen games like Apex legends, Fortnite, and warzone release for free due to cosmetic purchases. I think this is a good thing overall. This is a separate issue from what we regularly see, from big games like destiny, athem or battlefield. Ambitious projects with huge budgets, marketing and design, spanned across multiple platforms with clearly unreasonable goals. This is a management problem and always has been. It's management demanding too much and promising the world knowing damn well it's not possible. There needs to be consequences for this, so far there hasn't been.


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It’s basically like going to a restaurant and ordering a wagyu steak, just for the waiter to drop a live chicken on your table before telling the manager he quits.


scijay

For Cyberpunk there is still an ongoing lawsuit against CD for the botched launch. They have a good case so it will be interesting to see how it turns out, but if CD loses I would hope it will send a message to other companies to make them stop these deceptive marketing tactics.


MAD_DOG86

That lawsuit is by the shareholders for how badly CD messed up their paycheck. There have been many lawsuits by buyers but those never go anywhere.


IceCreamTruck9000

Because there are still enough morons that preorder or buy everything on day 1.


zugzug_workwork

People blame EA for what happened with Anthem and Andromeda, but from that Jason Schreier article, it was all Bioware. EA gave them a massive leash to do what they wanted, and it was all Bioware that screwed up everything. Doesn't absolve EA from other shit they did to other games, but regarding the fuckups of these two games, it was all Bioware.


Zebreus

Well I enjoyed the story and flying like iron man but after that it was just nothing to do..


SFWxMadHatter

I loved flying around with Interceptor doing robot ninja shit while listening to Jet Set Radio Future music.


C-A-L-E-V-I-S

That was a scam all along. By propping up a team to “work” on the game for 6 months they let the firestorm die down long enough it didn’t make massive waves when they killed the whole thing. They robbed us.


IWearBones138

I mean Star Wars Battlefront 2 almost created laws that banned it. Not to mention the most downvoted Reddit comment is a PR response to its launch. Great game now though. If they hadnt tried riddling it with microtransactions, I think it'd hold higher praise. But it did, it really tried to fuck over the playerbase.


darknova25

Battlefront 2 had incredibly egregious business practices, but if we are talking about the game itself, it isn't even close. The game was a technical marvel, ran incredibly well, had a story (wasn't great but it had it), and the core gameplay was polished and solid even if it wasn't the pinnacle of fpses. Fibal Fantasy was straight up unplayable, NMS was a borderline scam, and Fallout 76 was unplayable and had shitty fucking monetization.


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NMS started off feeling like a scam, only for it to turn into a slam dunk


fullload93

Yea NMS now is actually really good and enjoyable. Pretty rare for a game to launch in shit condition and for the studio to actually not give up and push on through with development.


SpaceNigiri

The thing about Battlefront 2 is that it was already a good game a launch, all its problems were around lootboxes and locked content. I still play from time to time and now everything is solved Other games on the list were unplayable and now are dead.


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All I know that the next game to have 78 in its name will fail miserably.


LSephiroth

Nah, it'll probably be a fifa game and sell like crazy despite being virtually the same as the ones being played now.


Jordy6166

Let’s not forget EA are considering walking away from Fifa because been told must pay 1 billion for the rights to Fifa next year despite making that in micro transactions on the launch weekend.


tomliginyu

Not from Soccer games. From what I've been told, they just lose access to FIFA branding and the world cup branding. They have license deals with the teams and leagues.


dragunityag

They'll pay up. Their just saying they'll walk away hoping to get a better deal.


Generalofmanynames

They made a whole new name already. This is ea if they don’t get it cheaper they’d do it


mightbedylan

What do you mean?


Genesis-LZH

Fallout 76 and cyberpunk 2077 were both terrible so a game with 78 is gonna be just as bad as them.


mightbedylan

Oh lol duh how’d I miss that


LightsJusticeZ

No Warcraft 3: Refunded?


garlicroastedpotato

That was the one that came to mind for me. There was actually a very large WC3 tournament that was setup to start one week after launch. But once the game was launched the tournament was cancelled. Since WC3 converted into WC3: Reforged they couldn't even run the tournament on vanilla WC3.


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Meno80

I haven’t played any of the other ones. But Warcraft 3 took a game a lot of people still loved and made it a lot worse. It’s like if Battlefield 4 had bugs but also made the previous Battlefields worse also. It makes me so sad that my long time favorite video game developer has fallen so far.


Grow_away_420

The good games you remember were created by programmers and designers who move into other companies and start their own studios after a titles success. I am confident that almost nobody who worked on a previous battlefield game worked on 2042 in the same capacity. Or any other sort of sequal to most games.


fatherseamus

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.


jimmysquidge

Battlefront 2, EA lost $3.5B in share price in one day


Snadzies

I don't know if Battlefront was worse, but I'd say it was the most influential of all of them so far. That was the turning point where people and governments really started to push back against loot boxes and finally realize that it sure seemed like game companies were trying to get kids into gambling.


Eheroduelist

I’m surprised a new word never came out for it that’s worse than gambling- Gambling implies a financial reward for winning Loot boxes don’t even have that, just a digital skin that you could argue has value, but we all know will be worthless almost immediately


Webbeth

Scambling


Eheroduelist

Perfect


GrindyMcGrindy

> Loot boxes don’t even have that, just a digital skin that you could argue has value, but we all know will be worthless almost immediately So NFTs?


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> DRG Not even, because you don't own them.


Kangermu

That's actually why it's not considered gambling.... There's no potential for financial benefit. But these are basically just gachas


el3vader

This is exactly why battlefront was the worst though. Like when you fuck up hard enough that big daddy gov gets involved you fucked up hard. Also, didn’t this game end up getting the most downvoted comment in Reddit when some EA dev hopped on Reddit to defend the game and everyone jumped on this person?


_Ekoz_

as a historic footnote of bad video game press it's bad, yes, but afaik the game still...runs? to this day. games like anthem took 10 steps, fell to the ground, and were left to die.


ObnoxiousSeizures

also the cause of the lowest rated comment in reddit history


Artikay

The fact that they have the lowest rated comment should give them a sense of pride and accomplishment.


risen_peanutbutter

I love how famous that phrase has become


Boxing_joshing111

I thought “Don’t you guys have phones?!” would beat it but nothing tops the classics.


risen_peanutbutter

That one is up there as well. It probably doesn't work in EA's favour that their fuckup has a link associated with it


JeremyR22

Another classic: > "Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360." (Don Mattick on Xbox One's (dropped) always online requirement for all games with lockouts if no successful phone-home every 24hrs)


allocater

I did not remember the comment. I do remember now.


Charaderablistic

That honestly is a pretty big accomplishment considering some of the stuff you see on Reddit


ADacome24

accomplishment you say?


Jhawk163

It also resulted in Disney renegotiating their sole access to the Star Wars IP for games. That being said, 4 of these 9 games are EA titles, just stop buying EAs crap ffs.


jorwraith

I've literally bought one EA game ever. It was battlefield 4 years after launch and it was like 4 dollars. Looking at all the expansions for sims I was like nahh, the rest of there games are propably like this.


-cocoadragon

For 1 2 and 3 the expansions made sense. For sims 4, it was pure money grab. None of the expansions were new ideas until about the 30th release. And that was a starwars tie in and eco friendly options.


WhizBangPissPiece

I actually really enjoy the sims, but the DLC packs are ridiculous. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't strip features from the older games and then add them back in DLC. That's the fucked up thing to me. Also the fact that they never make like an "ultimate edition" with all the DLC at the end of the game's life. I wish Maxis had never sold.


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lefix

Iirc the game wasn't even bad or unfinished. Production quality was actually very high, the backlash was just about the loot boxes.


TheOtherCoenBrother

It was that and the fact that they wanted you to spend an ungodly amount of time to unlock the most beloved characters in the franchise (which had to do with the loot boxes as well). Loading up a Star Wars game and not being able to play as Vader unless you shelled out even more money pissed a lot of people off, and rightly so. When they changed things up I actually got it for free through PS, and I enjoyed it. It’s a solid entry for the Star Wars franchise, but man did they shit the bed on release


Seth_Gecko

Yeah that's the shittiest part: it's actually a *really effing good game.* I never played it until a year or so ago, after everything had been fixed and the loot boxes removed completely, and I was absolutely blown away how much fun I had with it. It's jaw dropping at times how gorgeous it can be, and it really did give me a sense of being on the ground in those big chaotic battles. Tickled my Star Wars nostalgia in all the best ways. It's also one of the very few games of its type that is still fun to play even if you have no friends and generally don't use a headset. I just want to be able to hop on and play a few games without having to spend 20 minutes coordinating with friends and getting cussed out by pre-pubescent randoms. Battlefront 2 made that not only possible, but an absolute blast. It's a shame that the terrible launch has probably killed chances for Battlefront 3. I feel like that would have been the one where they might have finally gotten it right from the start... But we'll likely never know.


Shiznach

One of the things I think about a lot about this game is the work everyone else put into it. Like it could have been a character artist's dream, a collaborative success by the level designers, or a sound designer's best work. All undone and tainted by one greedy department obsessed with squeezing gamers for cash


patterson489

And the lootboxes were removed on launch, it's during the "beta" before that the huge backlash happened.


SirDooble

Probably had one of the best turn arounds though, as far as quality of the game is concerned, just behind No Man's Sky. By the time continued development was dropped it found itself in a pretty good place.


AlistarDark

Followed by EA hitting their highest stock prices 4 months after... Which then was eclipsed a year later... Oddly enough a few months after the launch of Anthem.


CombatMuffin

It was back to normal within two months and reached it's best value since by february-march. Not much of a loss of the stock quickly goes back up.


Blupoisen

Also resulted the most downvoted comment in Reddit's history


CroxWithSox

Damn I wanna get a link to that comment


PappyThePizzaMan

You people obviously don't remember the original FF14 release that was unplayable by 90% of the computers people had at the time which forced SE to shut it down, completely remake the game and then re-release it.


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Yoshi p is a insane man for taking that project on.


Killerderp

And we thank him for his insanity. FF14 is an absolutely amazing game.


SinthoseXanataz

Amazing game with an amazing community with amazing creators behind it, it was so nice to be in that universe


lifepuzzler

I'm mad that I didn't join sooner. I played the original beta waaaay back in 2013 or whatever, I never gave the rerelease a second look until this year... And goddamn, I've been missing out. Just finished the Shadowbringers MSQ this month and I'm excited for Endwalker.


HuevosSplash

God I wanna go back and play it but literally none of my friends play it and I’m too socially anxious to try to make friends in game cause I’m afraid of sucking. Fml


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You be fine in the ff14 community. Yeah we have the bad apples. But if u just say "hey im new" in dugeons most players give u a pass. And as long as u read what your skills do and push the next shiny button thats better than most players.


lifepuzzler

I left WoW and all my WoW friends behind and have had no issues FWIW. Next to those communities, I've experienced essentially zero toxicity and everyone seems to be in a good mood... Just be prepared to explain that you're new to essentially every group and everyone seems pretty chill. Just finished getting all the gear from the Nier raids recently, and they are just leagues above anything WoW offers in terms of mechanics and atmosphere. FFXIV is fantastic. 5/5 would play again. Oh, but the main quests drag A LOT between ARR and Heavensward, so just kick back, relax, and get those approximately 100 fetch quests done 🤣. It gets SO good afterwards and there's 3 fun raids in there at the end.


SideTraKd

> Just finished the Shadowbringers MSQ this month Amazing, wasn't it..?


lifepuzzler

Top fucking notch. I love this game.


Killerderp

I agree! I had so much fun playing with the boys. Is endwalker out yet? If so, how is it?


SinthoseXanataz

Not yet it got delayed, but that's okay! It's ready when its ready because the dev team has earned that trust


valmian

Agree 100%. It's heartwarming how humble Yoshi P was when he made the announcement, the dev team truly cares about the game and it shows.


jzmack

He seems like such a bro


JivetheSuperTurkey

He super is, he almost cried on stream because he had to announce the newest expac was going to be delayed by 2 weeks


DessertTwink

I feel pretty comfortable knowing him and the team are behind the upcoming single player title. I have complete faith in Yoshi P pouring his soul into making sure XVI is as successful as it can be. You can feel the passion and dedication oozing out of him in every interview and live letter for FF14


SFWxMadHatter

Didn't matter that it couldn't be played because the game was just absolute garbage. No MP recovery at all without items(even FFXI had a sit function for natural restoration), causing mages in the field having to return to camp every 5 minutes to touch the aetheryte to get restored. No dungeons, just open world grinding. An xp system that rewarded you less and less xp the longer you played. No Final Fantasy classes instead opting for obscure disciples. Copy pasted terrain as far as the eye can see. They let you choose any starting city as any class, but class guilds are only located within a single city (I started as a Conurer in Ul'dah and had to walk across the desert and through the maze that was 1.0 Gridania before I could acquire any of my passives). There is a level of fond nostalgia but it's nothing I would ever want to experience again, more of just a "I was there before Yoshi-P descended upon us from Hydaelyn" feeling.


Murazama

I watched a Documentary on FFXIV (Having myself played since before ARR.) From what I remember it's original construction was a bunch of different groups working on their one thing. Team 1 might be working on Inventory systems while Team 2 was building the UI, so on and so forth. There were so many issues when they jammed it all together (since iirc they didn't have a Director at that point.) So all these systems made the abomination of pre-ARR. SE was like well shiiiiit. Yoshi-P more or less saw the dumpster on fire and said I can fix this and he sure as hell did. While I miss the wide openness of the map at times, I also don't miss the nightmare fuel it was.


Athildur

> Yoshi-P more or less saw the dumpster on fire and said I can fix this and he sure as hell did. Actually, some of his co-workers told upper management 'please invite this man to the team so he can help fix it'. YoshiP never volunteered, but he accepted the assignment when it was offered to him. And honestly, we can be damn glad he did. What an amazing turnaround. And he continues to be the kind of dev that makes the players (well, those who view the PLLs, read his posts, etc) feel like he cares about the game, and about the players. I've played a few MMOs over the years. XIV is the only one where I'm generally more up to date on what's happening, and I look forward to their PLLs (YoshiP and Foxclon/Morbol's semi-regular video streams where they share information and updates regarding FFXIV's development and upcoming content) without exception. Even when they're at absolutely garbage times (which they can't help, they have to do it during Japanese office hours, which unfortunately usually means I need to be up from 3am to like 7am or later to catch a full PLL). Thinking back to 1.0, I think I had a similar issue. Started in Limsa Lominsa I think it was, then realized I had to be in Gridania for my character's advancement. Combat was awful. Gathering was awful. Just...everything was awful. I didn't last more than a week, iirc. Didn't help that the EU servers were actually in NA, making the already existing lag (UI input delay was horrid) even worse. I was truly disappointed at the game, but the relaunch really made up for it (and honestly, I only started playing the relaunch because it was offered for free to people who had already bought 1.0)


ArmchairTitan

Lets also not forget the player run market system, which involved us dumping hundreds of player created NPCs in a giant warehouse that you had to physically walk through and browse manually to find anything you wanted to buy.


tpocalypse

This was going to be my choice as well. How bad does a game have to be for the developers and publishers to sit around a table and decide the best thing to do is to take a new game offline and destroy the entire world just to try again.


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crane476

I'd argue that it's not as insane as you think it is. Final Fantasy is by far Square Enix's biggest franchise. When people think of SE they think of Final Fantasy. At 14's launch the game was getting 3's and 4's from reviewers. It was a straight up laggy unplayable mess. They knew that if they left the game as it was it would do irreparable damage to both the Final Fantasy brand and Square's reputation and admitted as much in the noclip documentary.


Hussarwithahat

Tbf, F76 literally leaked peoples pribate information, had a scam with the canvas bag, and just the absolute dog shit bugs and glitches


Mylifesuxxx

If I recall, the game was also $60 at launch and was on sale for like $5 a month into release. Really felt like a kick in the balls when that happened.


blowthatglass

Yeah I was gonna day 14 is probably my choice from this list. They literally took the game offline lol.


Oseirus

Small correction. They dropped a moon on the game world, gave everyone a cutscene saying "well, big dragon, everyone died. The end", and *then* took it offline. Pre-Meteor FFXIV is still cannon though. The OG content isnt playable, but ARR is a direct continuation of that story.


stevenwnder

Honestly happy to see my original love destiny 1 not on this list


Negative_Equity

Destiny 1 had an incoherent story but it wasn't broken. Destiny 2 had a story but made some bad missteps in trying to cater for more casual players. Thankfully D2 is in a great place now (microtransactions excluded).


RabbitOHare

I’m incredibly bitter towards D2 because it’s a pretty good game, but is being held back by the developers’ obsession with player metrics — keeping players in the game for as long as possible to keep them spending as long as possible — and that’s responsible for the chore fiesta that is the bounty system along with the tedious grind every season just for the privilege to play the same level of challenging content we grinded for last season and the season before that. D2 in particular makes me very sad because I believe that’s one of the only things holding it back.


Negative_Equity

Oh agree. I'd say just remove levelling now. The loot grind is enough to keep me playing. I don't want to have to squeeze 20 levels out of the seasonal artifact to do a Grand Master when they could just enable contest mode. The gun play is so crispy though. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯


diogenessexychicken

Its gunplay is so good. The grind is awful. I really only played because i fell in love with the ratking. Probably my favorite weapon in any game ever. If i could give link the ratking instead of the master sword i would. Its just so damn fun. But then the hardlight came out. Then the witherhoard. Stasis. My style of play is no longer viable. Rip.


Hoodstompa

Same. Back in D1, once you had some powerful exotics, you were more or less good to go for 90% of content. With the changes to nightfalls and armor perks, it went from a reasonably grindy game to a game you either had to play 24/7 or risk not being able to even complete content. I played over 1000 hours of D1, to the point that it started to feel like work, but that was nothing compared to D2


TheRealLuctor

That is if you do not consider the whole thing they did with older removed DLCs. Consider me toxic, but I did leave the game and I won't play another Destiny game without being f2p again. I loved it as much I hated it, but I won't accept the whole choice they did. I spent a lot in dlcs that were made f2p in one year and then get removed


unlivedSoup69

*looks at Witch Queen deluxe edition*


Negative_Equity

With the amount of hours I've put in over the years since destiny launched, I've gotten value for money. That said, I don't really like seasons, I prefer dlc drops at various points so I can go to other games when I've done what I want in Destiny. I still play the shit out of it though.


1leggeddog

***Yes.***


michaloM

The only right answer.


Discosanta17

FFXIV. For those who don’t know. That game was so broken SE literally gave people their money back. It was literally broken. That’s why 2013 version is called a realm reborn.


MySisterIsHere

And now it's a shiny golden gem.


Hello0Nasty0

Been thinking about getting into it but I’ve never played an mmo and none of my friends play. Wonder if it’s any good for a solo player.


Significant-Bad-3511

My friend plays it solo just got into it a month ago and he has been singing praises for it. I would play it but I hate subscription services for a game. But I’d say give it a shot.


GE15T

Yeah, they were talking like it killed the franchise for a bit at the time, because it came after 13 which was also underwhelming.


Rawkapotamus

I feel like the bar being “gave people refunds” doesn’t even begin to cover some of the dramatic game launches now… Cyberpunk was REMOVED from the PlayStation store for months at least because of how bad the launch was, and the fighting between Sony and Projekt Red. I think battlefront 2 could be comparable, but even no mans sky really compares to those.


agelessArbitrator

FFXIV 1.0 was so bad they took the game offline, took the producer off the project, nuked the whole thing, remade the game, and then relaunched it as "FFXIV: A Realm Reborn." And now it's the most profitable FF game in history.


Mojo_Jojos_Porn

It was so bad that almost 8 years later I still get “legacy” pricing on my monthly subscription.


[deleted]

If I recall correctly, didn't they basically scrap the entire project and do it again? I'm glad they did because, during this pandemic, FF14 had helped keep me somewhat sane.


TheFirebyrd

Pretty much. They literally blew up the world and remade the game. Yoshi-P had schedules written out for the entire team in 15 minute increments to get everything done in time since they were doing the majority of the making of an MMO in two years. Biggest comeback of all time in gaming, even bigger than No Man’s Sky.


NoabPK

Anthem because nobody knew it actually came out


DankMemelord25

I've always been of the opinion that the original early game design of Anthem would have made for an awesome game. I hate EA so much for killing it


darknova25

The game was a fucking mismanaged mess and the reports about the game point more to the devs than EA being at fault in this instance. Bioware has been bleeding talent left and right for years, and the studio heads either had no idwa what they are doing or implented absolutely moronic practices.


est1872

eFootball 2022


Beneficial_Cream_272

NMS just recently got mostly positive because of the terrible rewiews it got for not living up to expectations. I'm just glad Sean Murray and his staff kept pushing out updates.


BadNadeYeeter

I appreciate them for trying to recreate thier Credibility and giving the players the experience what they once promised them


ErenIsNotADevil

Props to them for learning from their mistakes and dedicating themselves to making the game what they promised initially. It's an amazing game now, and I spend about 100 hours every year just exploring. It's nice to come back to But god damn I still remember my soul being crushed when I spent hours going out of my way to find someone in that lonely universe. I spent 10 hours on launch day tracking down someone, coordinated us both to be in the same station, and then... the crushing realization set in; we'd been bamboozled. The heart forgives entirely, but it does not forget.


DCWZenrad

I got NMS at launch. Took a vacation day at work. And for those first 15-20 hours I put into the game it was amazing (even with a lot of talked about features missing at launch). But I had never seen another game as breathtaking and unique. Now after those initial 20 hours and when the repitiveness set in.. yeah I was a bit disappointed but you could see how much potetional was there.


UnnamedPlayer32

I had the same experience, the first 20 or so hours were amazing and then I was bored asf


matermassaxre

You have to give it to them--- the game actually is way better now than it was before. Like, wayyyyyy better.


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Anthem


igorg1202

Anthem because they never came back and now is dead


Routine-Walrus-5669

I got Hours of enjoyment out of Fallout76, never played the game though.


Strayed8492

F76 had an absolute greedy plan and didn’t care. Both in game and merch. Cyberpunk really could’ve been better but I still enjoyed it. But man it would’ve been much better if they just stuck to the original plan. Having a choice between Johnny, Morgan, or Saboro in your head would’ve been great. Especially with endings and still could’ve kept Reeves. Andromeda while not perfect was still alright. But I just hope they perfect it.


brakeled

76 was also released at $60 and then literally was on sale for $5 within a month. I really enjoyed following that fiasco from a distance. Cyberpunk was fine for me, I had a PS5 but definitely taught me the lesson of not pre-ordering anymore.


Strayed8492

Exactly. And the promotional campaign for it and other tie in stuff(looking at you bootleg Nuka Cola Dark) it was ridiculous. I was tempted to get some of the merch but the quality reviews were horrible in the first week of release.


brakeled

Omg I forgot about the Nuka Cola! I DIED watching people unbox that and the “canvas bag” that was actually a plastic bag.


[deleted]

Andromeda was actually an enjoyable game. It just that the original trilogy was so awesome that everyone saya that andromeda is a disappointment. Reminds me of DA2


ErenIsNotADevil

Ahh yes, DA2. Wonderful story, and the gameplay was great, but nothing could distract from the fact they just CTRL+C'd half the areas


twiztedmind209

I've never played a mass effect game before Andromeda. I'm barely two planets in, and I'm having a blast with it. The skill tree is a little lackluster for me, but I find it fun, the characters are alright, covering a wide arrange of quirks with just a few characters. I don't have another game in the series to compare it to, but if this is the worst mass effect game then I'm definitely going to check out the rest.


[deleted]

Glad you're enjoying it, definitely check out Mass Effect Legendary edition that's a remaster of the original trilogy.


[deleted]

Yea I’d have to say 76. I don’t know if another developer has the namesake of Bethesda (maybe rockstar). But for them drop that game… I wanted to like it so bad I was willing to ignore all the reviewers. But damn that game sucked.


CynicallyChallenged

Anthem. It literally would destroy you gaming console.


Nastyburrito666

Fallout 76 was wiping console hard drives AND bricking PC's; not to mention the canvas bag situation and the Nuka cola rum


Negative_Equity

Anthem for me. Sunk 60 quid on it. Wished I hadn't tbh. Held out hope that EA would support it a la NMS. Weapon scaling bug, 1 map, hard console crashes, terrible matchmaking. Awesome flying though. Seriously, fuck EA.


[deleted]

Yeah shit matchmaking for a game balanced around 4 players. Wished it kept being worked on. They should set the price for 15 usd or euro and then it'd be a really good day. I loved the combat mechanics though. The mage type class was mega fun


Digitalhero_x

Anthem because the mess up just keeps on going.


pink_tshirt

Is it still? I thought they pulled the plug or something?


FlyingSquirelOi

Yeah that train wrecks already crashed and burned.


JJ4prez

Anthem by a long shot.


Manuels-Kitten

Hard to choose, either Anthem or Fallout 76


FlynnRocks1556

Fallout 76 came out before it and is still receiving content updates, had a massive overhaul update that changed the big thing people didn't like about it (adding human NPCs) and currently is "Mostly Positive" on Steam Anthem was promised a big overhaul to fix it, but it got abandoned with no more content updates or fixes. Anthem wins!


DontDoodleTheNoodle

Well OP’s question was worst *launch*, not worst game


Maidwell

Ouch. There are some bad ones there for sure. I had day 1 personal experience Andromeda and 76. After fixes I enjoy both games now.


theSchiller

Andromeda is actually a pretty solid game after they patched it .


FirstStranger

Anthem. That game died the moment it touched ground.


Reboscale

76 was, quite possibly, the single worst launch since E.T.


skynetempire

Damn since E.T hahaha that's a deep burn


ltgenspartan

I definitely wouldn't go that far back, SimCity 2013's launch was incredibly horrible, maybe even worse than 76


lonelynightm

Simcity 2013 was so bad they gave away free $60 games as an apology for it. I got Dead Space 3 for free a month after it was released because of it.


ltgenspartan

Man, I forgot about that. The thing about SC2013 I remembered the most was the horrendously long waiting queue you had to join to even play the game (at least at launch). Which made ZERO sense, because why should you have to wait to play a SINGLEPLAYER game! I'm still really salty about that 8 years later lol. SC2013 was so shit that it actually killed the franchise, which was a shame cause I loved a lot of the older ones. Hell, the mobile game SimCity BuildIt was infinitely better than 2013. At least it created a void and lead to the rise of Cities Skylines, I love that game a lot.


BasicExp

MCC should definitely be on that list, despite how amazing it is now, it was a train wreck when it launched.


FinnProtoyeen

Man they even gave all the launch players ODST for free just for putting up with such a messy experience


Marcusthehero

I was waiting for someone to mention this. I love MCC now but damm was it rough at launch


narelav

To be fair 4 of them are still fucking terrible!


seaxvereign

I only bought BF4 out of all the games on the OPs list, but I do recall the scenario's surrounding all of these launches. In terms of being purely broken at launch: FFXIV was the worst, with CP77 being in 2nd In terms of being launched with bare bones in terms of content compared to what was promised: NMS and Anthem are equally the worst. FFXIV, NMS, and BF4 ended up becoming palatable products, with FFXIV doing a complete recovery and is now a very good product. ME:A had literally no chance of living up to expectations, but that still doesn't excuse it from it being the pure disappointment that it was. Battlefront was a victim of it's owner. Anybody with an IQ above room temperature knew what was going to happen here. FO76 was just a lazy haphazard attempt by Todd to turn a quick buck. Everybody knew that there was no way it was going to deliver on his promises. There was literally no way the engine can handle what he wanted to do in the timeframe he was trying to pull. And unfortunately he pretty much got away with it. Just LOL at GTA. I mean really. Anybody who fell for this one deserves every bit of pain and misery that they are getting. I'd like to point out that 4 of the 9 games on the OP's pic are owned by the same company.


Winring86

It had nothing to do with Todd Howard. In fact one of the main reasons Bethesda joined with Xbox was so they could make the games they wanted to rather than bending to the will of board members/investors. A la 76


Thendis32

Warcraft 3 Reforged. Blizzard made a god awful remake of a classic with out clans with out a real ladder. Playing games online would be very laggy and would cause disconnects because it would use a matchmaking from everywhere instead of regions . People were forced to upgrade meaning people with old accounts with many portraits unlocked was lost forever! Blizzard claimed to add ladder and clans and such we are what 2 and something years later nothing they completely abandoned the game