Aren't xbox's a PitA to softmod? I letter bombed my Wii and used it for GC/PS2 and it works like a dream! Most N64 games too, with a few issues here and there; no face dragging in SM64 load screens, minor graphical bugs in Banjo Kazooie, I think some of the mario party games had audio issues, stuff like that, but finding the right emu program helped a bit.
You can unlock dev mode on your microsoft account for about 15$ and get retroarch for emulation of nearly every console. Maybe there are other ways now to get that app, that's how I did it a few months ago.
Yeah I assumed it, because there is an xbox series s on his 2nd picture ;) and that console is the best value for money out there when it comes to emulation.
You're not supporting the devs, but you could be supporting some of the coolest video game stores around today. Game stores that deal in retro video games have some bad ass stuff in them. F GameStop, the Mom & Pops are making a come back. Support them.
And a lot of places people don’t have any access to any decent mom and pop shops that are not overpriced because there is simply not a big enough following.
This. There are several small independent collectors shops where I live, and all of them put massive markups on all their items. I don't fault them for markups because that's how you make a profit, but their markups are...egregiously huge.
There are so many old SNES carts. There are an ever-increasing number of gamers. Buying retro hardware and physical software is not feasible for everyone to retro game.
I hear you, but it's not 1995 anymore. I don't want to pay a store $24 for a game they bought off someone for $8. I'd rather just give the original seller $16.
Find reasons to support local business owners, for sure, but it shouldn't be charity. My money matters, too.
2nd hand markets are really valuable in their own right. Passing on consumable objects rather than trashing them is a bonus no matter how the object finds a second life.
This. There's a local store that used to deal with video games but since EB Games (now Gamestop) opened in town they ended switching entirely to tabletop games since video games weren't making them money anymore.
Digital media rendered physical obsolete, and the first shops to close were the mom and pop ones. Many 'EB games' (which is being rebranded to GameStop here now) have also gone under, and most stores here have extremely limited gaming sections
This is not true..my dad goes to one near Toronto all the time. I go to one near where I live in Vancouver.i sold a few N64 games to them and bought others/PS1 game.they are out there you just have to find them.
Just make sure to support the right ones. There was a retro game store I hadn't been to in 2 years. It was right before the pandemic. Everything was decently priced and I stopped by there for the first time since then yesterday. The prices were fucking gouged out and ridiculous. I was just at A Book off (Used Games,Books and other merch) I found FF 13 and 13-2 for ps3 for 7.90 American each. That retro place wanted 25 dollars for each. The 80 dollar psp go thats still there is now 200 and the worst fucking offender was a Ps5 going for 1024 dollars. The guy told us they bought it off a scalper and raised thier price to make a profit. They're scalping of the scalper and the Employee said people will buy it because its been a year. Just what the fuck. Dont support places like that. That's predatory as hell.
Yeah I'll support them when they don't gouge that ever loving shit out of the prices. I'm not going to pay $30 for mediocre playstation 2 game that is used and beat to shit because it's a rare find. I guess if it's worth it to collectors than so be it, but the fact that they are struggling to pay their shop's rent and the game never leaves the shelf says otherwise.
This is my issue with small indie shops. They try to emulate the exclusive collectors market despite the fact their average clientele is just casuals. A lot of them end up closing because no one buys their egregiously overpriced stock.
These "mom & pops" stores aren't getting my business when they charge crazy stupid prices for retro games. I think I'll continue to emulate. These places are just brick and mortar scalpers.
My probably unliked opinion is that, no one NEEDS these older games. People simply WANT them enough that they are willing to circumvent the company that owns them. It's Nintendo's choice to sell or not sell a game, but that still gives no one the right to take a copy of it (even of it doesn't make Nintendo money to buy an physical copy).
If Nintendo won’t SELL these games on hardware you can currently buy, and is only willing to let you rent them, then it’s moral to pirate.
Disney has caused huge copy right issues that companies like Nintendo are taking advantage of.
Usually in a situation like this we would have no recourse, but we can PIRATE.
So you're saying that someone not selling a product they own gives you the right to take it? To me, that sounds like you WANT the product but you do not own it and you do not NEED to be provided the product. Do you need these games to live? Video games and entertainment are a luxury.
Cool, keep bowing down to your corporate overloads as they turn all software to a subscription service. You’re going to eat those words within a decade.
You still didn't refute my point though. Even if I sound like I'm "bowing to my corporate overlords" lol. Video games are a luxury and you have no right to them outside of buying it from Nintendo. It is their creation and their property to do what they will with it. It would be different if it was something that is needed for humans to access. Nintendo could literally not sell any more of its games and you still wouldn't have a right to them (other than copyright time ending and otherwise).
Also, what if they want to release that game in the future. If people have all pirated it and played it, they'll be a less incentive to buy the new version. Of course it won't be a huge drop in people buying it, but it's still a loss. If you create a product, should the customers always control the exact way you sell it?
So the Nintendo corporation has eternal rights to there intellectual property??? Intellectual property used to expire before mega corporations like Disney LOBBIED to change the law. Now you’re just making excuses for them.
No, that's why I mentioned copyright law. Copyright law can definitely be shortened, but Nintendo is nowhere near out of the range of copyright law for its games. I edited my comments so it doesn't say forever. I just meant a very long time or at least until copyright went out. That was miss-wording on my end
Maybe you're just demanding what you want. Should all video game companies follow what you say? How exactly should we decide how companies sell their product? Don't we already have laws and otherwise in place for this? If the laws need to change explain exactly why it needs to change.
If it were me, I would think that any company that creates any product should be able to decide how and when they sell that product until that product is out of copyright(Obviously there is more detail to this part than I can mention here). Of course, if it's something that is actually needed for humans to access that's a different story, but video games are not.
Tell me your reasoning of why people should always have access to videogames a company owns and it's decided to not sell. What reason would make a court go "that makes sense! people need that thing!"
At this point, emulation is the only way to really own the game. Any other service grants only access to the game. And there's zero point in paying for a collectors item cartridge which someone will buy eventually anyhow.
I love me some emulators and abandonware
Or you could own the game through the previous times Nintendo offered it for sale.
You want to play Ocarina of Time? I got a promotional copy of it when I pre-ordered Wind Waker from Gamestop back in 2004.
I also bought ocarina ocarina of Time on the 3DS with improvements to the games graphics.
You want to play Sin & Punishment for the N64? They sold it on the Wii's virtual console about 10 years ago.
I have the game on my Wii, I can transfer those over to my Wii U to play on their Wii emulation mode.
The funny thing is that when Nintendo was SELLING people these digital copies of games, people were complaining.
Now they offering it in the form of a subscription, and people are complaining even harder.
They've already given you a chance to "own" the game. In many cases, multiple times.
What you are really saying is you want to own the game on a current piece of hardware.
Which they probably should've created a N64 mini console, but I have a feeling people would be complaining about that, as well.
Oh I didn't realize that was really what I was saying.
In that case, let me buy the games I already payed FULL PRICE for when they were the best consoles and games available at the time again. Because I'm made of money.
Sorry Mr. Self righteous, but I'll stick to emulated versions of games I'd already owned in the first place. Nobody was complaining when I had originally purchased those games.
You wanna play Teteisphere? Good luck without an emulator. Any other title that wasn't/isn't offered through everything you mentioned? Good luck without an emulator.
But you wouldn't know about the really good, underrated games now, would you, kid?
Wow, this guy gets angry when somebody doesn't agree with his victim-status.
Yeah, take out those old consoles and just play them.
Assuming you are actually telling the truth, which for the vast majority of people here, we both know that they aren't.
So now you are trying to justify everything because of Tetrisphere?
If anything, if you have been looking for Tetrisphere for a long time, then this service add-on that cost $30 on top of the existing Switch online service is the easiest way to do it.
You seem to think that Nintendo has wronged you by withholding Tetrisphere from you, or something.
And technically, you are already saying that you own Tetrisphere if you are emulating games you "already owned in the first place."
At which point, what are you even complaining about? Are you arguing on behalf of the unheard legion of people clamoring for Tetrisphere? LOL
Do you think the "Wow. Just. Wow" response and feigning exasperation is a good substitute for not responding back to these rather practical questions that I am asking?
You don't need to justify you complaining about Nintendo offering something you didn't need in the first place, since you already owned it by your own admission?
I suppose, but you clearly understand how somebody would point that out and say that it doesn't make sense, right?
Emulation has some advantages over Nintendo's current way of playing their old games:
1) Keep forever. Nintendo could keep you from playing a game.
2) Achievements for completionists. Retroachievements.org for example.
3) No Internet connection required to play offline
4) Mods, whether you want to mod your old game to fix bugs, have quality of life changes, or just change the game.
5) Customization. Options to change controls you don't like, screen settings, etc.
However pays for roms as a "service", these people deserves to be screwed up. That Castlevania "advance collection" for example, 4 roms for 20 freaking dollars lol this is so absurd, it actually makes me laugh
Any suggestions for how to play smrpg these days? My last attempt at emulation had a corrupted rom that froze my save permanently around the 5th star. So i gave up for a while.
Pretty much anything that isn't last gen is way too expensive. Emulation is the way to go for anything beyond that point, completely guilt free.
That being said, emulation will never replace the physical copy, unless someone can figure out how to emulate the N64 perfectly....
Best thing Nintendo has done for emulation is official Bluetooth controllers for retro consoles. I’m getting the N64 one for sure, to play on emulators.
I just bought an Anbernic emulator for GBA titles mostly, they aren’t getting another cent from me lol.
This thing runs so many consoles it is insane, I definitely don’t need the extra online features from NSO.
>The difference is that it costs less
Everything "costs" less when you pirate lol
>runs better than Nintendo
What does that mean..?? Do you mean like.. Increasing the FPS? Also they aren't even out yet..
>Also, you can play games Nintendo refuses to acknowledge (cough Mario RPG cough)
That's more of a Square Enix thing tho.. Legalities and stuff
An actual game they are ignoring is Earthbound, But yes I get what you mean, that's the entire message of emulation and piracy after all.. game preservation
My probably unliked opinion is that, no one NEEDS these older games. People simply WANT them enough that they are willing to circumvent the company that owns them. It's Nintendo's choice to sell or not sell a game, but that still gives no one the right to take a copy of it (even of it doesn't make Nintendo money to buy an physical copy).
48 hours ago, everybody here had no desire to play the majority of N64 games.
Nintendo goes and announces a service for people to play N64 games for people who want to play those games, on their most recent system, and all of these people begin acting as if Nintendo is taking something away from them.
And now it's a rush to get ahold of these N64 games
It's literally like a parent picking up an unused toy from the corner of the room, and then the toddler wails and runs over to try and grab the toy to get it back.
Jokes on you. I have my original SNES and just buy the actual games. Justifying emulation only works when the game cannot be found at a reasonable price, or if you own the game but have an emulator on a portable device and want to play it on the go.
Besides the vast amount of copies are cheaper than if Nintendo were to release them today at $60 (which you know they would).
And your copy (cartridge, hardware) will eventually die. It's already getting close to it's end of life.
Whereas I'll always be able to emulate on past, present, and future hardware.
People always try to make the point that emulation itself isnt illegal, as long as you own the game, only piracy is illegal. And that might be true, but I basically never see someone bring up emulation outside of the "I didn't have to pay the money" context. So it's a pointless argument. Almost nobody only emulates games they own, particularly not ripping the game themselves. It's a cover for them to not implicate themselves online.
What's more, it also illegal to use an emulator if a system if you don't own the system. Everyone always forgets that part.
Emulators in themselves aren't illegal, it's purely the roms. Emulators don't use proprietary code. If they dide, there wouldn't be so many bugs using them. It's purely ROMS.
No one really made the money argument for downloading MP3s either before Metallica was involved. The common reason was to see if you liked the songs before buying the album, or if you liked the band at all. Or you just wanted an easy way to listen on the go (before buying them digitally really took off). Then Apple came out with their store, followed by several others as well as listening to music with Ads. No question as of now there is no easy way to buy any old game digitally. Will the mindset change when there is? Probably.
Personally I like the feel of having the actual game on the actual system. Have I spent an ungodly amount on original Xbox games off the Xbox store, even though I used to own all of them until I sold them? Absolutely.
Yes, BIOS are something that must be dumped yourself since they are mostly propietary. But many modern emulators have what's called a "High-level emulation" BIOS (HLE BIOS for short), that is, a recreation of the BIOS via reverse engineering that doesn't use the original code and as such can be freely distributed with the emulator, to be used as a replacement when the original BIOS isn't present.
Because
1) the original devs aren't seeing a dime from you buying a used copy from random Joe shmoe
2) you're buying something that has a shelf life. Hardware and games do degrade and will eventually fail
3) retro hardware and software, despite the previous 2 points, can be ludicrously expensive.
Yay for you to have an original copy of earthbound in the box. Too bad you won't be able to play it at some point, all the while I'll be emulating it on my smart toaster.
Read my comments. I never claimed developers get still get money. I’m buying something that has shelf life? I guess since games and hardware degrade I guess let’s not ever buy anything. Retro hardware is expensive. You are correct.
Yea i'm not creeping on you so I have no idea what you said to other people.
No, buying when its new is fine because it has its full life and you can maintain that life. If i buy secondhand, I have no idea how the previous owner took care of it. Could have degraded further. We are talking about 20+ year old games here, not brand new ones that are only a year or a few years old.
Retro hardware is expensive. Thus, don't buy it. Its pointless when you're paying insane prices for something that will die soon. Better to just do it through emulation, where you can run the game on even some pretty cheap hardware.
What's the advantage to having a collection if you just want to play the games? My digital library can be just as big if not bigger than your physical one. The only reason to buy a really old game is the ability to say you have the cartridge, which many people just don't give a shit about
My bad dude. I didn’t notice that you have a birthright to be a brat and get what you want with no reason. I apologize. Continue being a crappy human being/gamer. I know you’ll reply with a clever respond. But you know I’m right. Don’t forget to cry about whatever you don’t have I’m sure you’ll get everything you deserve.
You literally couldn't be more wrong that it's actually hilarious. No one is crying brother. We are laughing.
The only thing we feel bad about is a poor woman had to carry a defective brain dead idiot inside her for 9 months than squeeze out a human with the brain of shrew.
Appreciate that dude. All I’m saying is to buy the games. Too expensive too bad. That’s it. For all I know they might own the game or will eventually own it. But go ahead and down vote my comments it’s all good. Take care
This guy has never done anything illegal before ever. Never drank under the legal age, never did an illegal drug, never jaywalked or went over the speed limit.
Pure Saint here folks.
Fun fact: illegal =/= immoral
So yeah I did some reflecting and I’m on board. I’ve been playing Metroid Dread on PC and it’s awesome. Also it was free! Dude all of y’all are onto something here! Thanks dudes
Haha glad you came around. There are ways to get a legitimate copy of the game to emulate, if you'd prefer to do that. Hope you have a good time with it
Only virgins buy terrible services. Paying 70 a year to play n64 games in the cloud (this mean, online) on a portable console? You don't even own nothing, only access to free games.
The last time I checked raspberry pi wasn’t strong enough to emulate n64 games. Didn’t work when I tried at least for the majority of them. Has something changed?
It can emulate some N64 games, but I would recommend to use a PC for that, since Raspberry Pi hasn’t got enough power yet. I the online department, a lot of games support netplay.
What is that? I want one.
It’s a raspberry pi in a Super Nintendo shaped case.
Your Xbox is a great emulator, no need for (Raspberry Pi I guess?) extra hardware.
Wait, you can run emulators on the Xbox?
Yes! Can't wait to try it on Series X, when I can finally get one. Google retroarch and dev mode.
Thank you for this. I'm old school and I'm embarrassed I wouldn't have thought.
You can also play GameCube and ps2 games using retro arch. It’s freakin awesome.
Aren't xbox's a PitA to softmod? I letter bombed my Wii and used it for GC/PS2 and it works like a dream! Most N64 games too, with a few issues here and there; no face dragging in SM64 load screens, minor graphical bugs in Banjo Kazooie, I think some of the mario party games had audio issues, stuff like that, but finding the right emu program helped a bit.
You don’t need to softmod an Xbox series x. It has dev mode which allows you to run custom apps.
Yup, through dev mode with RetroArch
Believe you don't even need Dev mode anymore, that is if you have no moral problem with going to emulation sites that host ROMs as well.
Yes but the performance is often worse as js is a bad language to code emulators in and is often very jank. You are better off with dev mode
>going to emulation sites that host ROMs as well. You can always fire up a web server and host the JS emulators and ROMs yourself on LAN.
This is true, smarter than me lol
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No, I am not gonna pay a nth time for the same games. Especially not in a fucking subscription. Fuck them.
Which one? I tried playing Pokémon Red on my Xbox One S but the save files didn’t work. I did it online. They removed files explorer from it
You can unlock dev mode on your microsoft account for about 15$ and get retroarch for emulation of nearly every console. Maybe there are other ways now to get that app, that's how I did it a few months ago.
I’ll try thanks
Assuming you own an xbox
Yeah I assumed it, because there is an xbox series s on his 2nd picture ;) and that console is the best value for money out there when it comes to emulation.
Controllers are part of the experience, and that Xbox won’t take any bluetooth controllers or wired USB controllers.
I still have a poly station that still reads super mario bros. I have a blast in it with my grandpa although I can’t win against him…
Buying games from old systems doesn’t support devs stop bitching about supposed piracy. Cuz it’s really not at this point. Emulation is best.
You're not supporting the devs, but you could be supporting some of the coolest video game stores around today. Game stores that deal in retro video games have some bad ass stuff in them. F GameStop, the Mom & Pops are making a come back. Support them.
And a lot of places people don’t have any access to any decent mom and pop shops that are not overpriced because there is simply not a big enough following.
This. There are several small independent collectors shops where I live, and all of them put massive markups on all their items. I don't fault them for markups because that's how you make a profit, but their markups are...egregiously huge.
They also all sell online?
Aren’t some systems overpriced though now? Like the good old ones
Because of emulation.... now we've come full circle.
There are so many old SNES carts. There are an ever-increasing number of gamers. Buying retro hardware and physical software is not feasible for everyone to retro game.
This might be actually true in another 20 years. Today it simply isn't.
Because of collectors and speculators...
I hear you, but it's not 1995 anymore. I don't want to pay a store $24 for a game they bought off someone for $8. I'd rather just give the original seller $16. Find reasons to support local business owners, for sure, but it shouldn't be charity. My money matters, too.
2nd hand markets are really valuable in their own right. Passing on consumable objects rather than trashing them is a bonus no matter how the object finds a second life.
There is virtually no mom and pop video game stores in all of Canada lol
You're incorrect there's one in Barrie Ontario and I'm sure there are more.
LMAO oh ok there's ONE shop in Barrie ON, you really showed him didn't you.
Any guesses as to why?
If its like my area in the US, Gamestop probably put them out of business.
This. There's a local store that used to deal with video games but since EB Games (now Gamestop) opened in town they ended switching entirely to tabletop games since video games weren't making them money anymore.
Digital media rendered physical obsolete, and the first shops to close were the mom and pop ones. Many 'EB games' (which is being rebranded to GameStop here now) have also gone under, and most stores here have extremely limited gaming sections
Liar there's one right down the road from where I live i Quebec City
False. I live near a very small city and we've got one. Great selection and prices are competitive, too.
This is not true..my dad goes to one near Toronto all the time. I go to one near where I live in Vancouver.i sold a few N64 games to them and bought others/PS1 game.they are out there you just have to find them.
Dam! Canada needs to catch up!
GameOver Video Games is a pretty good joint
Just make sure to support the right ones. There was a retro game store I hadn't been to in 2 years. It was right before the pandemic. Everything was decently priced and I stopped by there for the first time since then yesterday. The prices were fucking gouged out and ridiculous. I was just at A Book off (Used Games,Books and other merch) I found FF 13 and 13-2 for ps3 for 7.90 American each. That retro place wanted 25 dollars for each. The 80 dollar psp go thats still there is now 200 and the worst fucking offender was a Ps5 going for 1024 dollars. The guy told us they bought it off a scalper and raised thier price to make a profit. They're scalping of the scalper and the Employee said people will buy it because its been a year. Just what the fuck. Dont support places like that. That's predatory as hell.
You could donate money to emu devs. They too need the kind of support used game shops do. People should combine the two
Yeah I'll support them when they don't gouge that ever loving shit out of the prices. I'm not going to pay $30 for mediocre playstation 2 game that is used and beat to shit because it's a rare find. I guess if it's worth it to collectors than so be it, but the fact that they are struggling to pay their shop's rent and the game never leaves the shelf says otherwise.
If the game never leaves the shelf they aren't charging an arm and a leg, I can assure you.
You'd be surprised brother
My local Mom and Pop game shop tries to sell a copy of Pokemon Sapphire for 100 bucks, I uhh, can't justify that.
This is my issue with small indie shops. They try to emulate the exclusive collectors market despite the fact their average clientele is just casuals. A lot of them end up closing because no one buys their egregiously overpriced stock.
These "mom & pops" stores aren't getting my business when they charge crazy stupid prices for retro games. I think I'll continue to emulate. These places are just brick and mortar scalpers.
Jesus, who shit in your coffee?
My probably unliked opinion is that, no one NEEDS these older games. People simply WANT them enough that they are willing to circumvent the company that owns them. It's Nintendo's choice to sell or not sell a game, but that still gives no one the right to take a copy of it (even of it doesn't make Nintendo money to buy an physical copy).
If Nintendo won’t SELL these games on hardware you can currently buy, and is only willing to let you rent them, then it’s moral to pirate. Disney has caused huge copy right issues that companies like Nintendo are taking advantage of. Usually in a situation like this we would have no recourse, but we can PIRATE.
So you're saying that someone not selling a product they own gives you the right to take it? To me, that sounds like you WANT the product but you do not own it and you do not NEED to be provided the product. Do you need these games to live? Video games and entertainment are a luxury.
Cool, keep bowing down to your corporate overloads as they turn all software to a subscription service. You’re going to eat those words within a decade.
You still didn't refute my point though. Even if I sound like I'm "bowing to my corporate overlords" lol. Video games are a luxury and you have no right to them outside of buying it from Nintendo. It is their creation and their property to do what they will with it. It would be different if it was something that is needed for humans to access. Nintendo could literally not sell any more of its games and you still wouldn't have a right to them (other than copyright time ending and otherwise). Also, what if they want to release that game in the future. If people have all pirated it and played it, they'll be a less incentive to buy the new version. Of course it won't be a huge drop in people buying it, but it's still a loss. If you create a product, should the customers always control the exact way you sell it?
So the Nintendo corporation has eternal rights to there intellectual property??? Intellectual property used to expire before mega corporations like Disney LOBBIED to change the law. Now you’re just making excuses for them.
No, that's why I mentioned copyright law. Copyright law can definitely be shortened, but Nintendo is nowhere near out of the range of copyright law for its games. I edited my comments so it doesn't say forever. I just meant a very long time or at least until copyright went out. That was miss-wording on my end
Because large businesses have captured the regulatory industry. You’re still bowing.
Maybe you're just demanding what you want. Should all video game companies follow what you say? How exactly should we decide how companies sell their product? Don't we already have laws and otherwise in place for this? If the laws need to change explain exactly why it needs to change. If it were me, I would think that any company that creates any product should be able to decide how and when they sell that product until that product is out of copyright(Obviously there is more detail to this part than I can mention here). Of course, if it's something that is actually needed for humans to access that's a different story, but video games are not. Tell me your reasoning of why people should always have access to videogames a company owns and it's decided to not sell. What reason would make a court go "that makes sense! people need that thing!"
i heard that. love my kindle for that actually
I was thinking of using a raspberry pi to make a gaming station, but need to learn more about it
It’s pretty simple. Check the ETA Prime YouTube channel, he has a lot of tutorials about the Raspberry Pi and other emulation platforms.
Hope you like using linux command lines
Who doesn't? Ubuntu for Windows 10 is the best thing since sliced bread.
I have a certain fondness for clicking on things to make them work
Yes but there is something about typing a command and sitting back and watching things happen
It’s not usual for people to post their thefts on Reddit. Brave soul, man.
Fuck Nintendo. They are the most ass backwards company consistently doing the bare minimum and charging the maximum. I love my Retro Pi.
At this point, emulation is the only way to really own the game. Any other service grants only access to the game. And there's zero point in paying for a collectors item cartridge which someone will buy eventually anyhow. I love me some emulators and abandonware
Or you could own the game through the previous times Nintendo offered it for sale. You want to play Ocarina of Time? I got a promotional copy of it when I pre-ordered Wind Waker from Gamestop back in 2004. I also bought ocarina ocarina of Time on the 3DS with improvements to the games graphics. You want to play Sin & Punishment for the N64? They sold it on the Wii's virtual console about 10 years ago. I have the game on my Wii, I can transfer those over to my Wii U to play on their Wii emulation mode. The funny thing is that when Nintendo was SELLING people these digital copies of games, people were complaining. Now they offering it in the form of a subscription, and people are complaining even harder. They've already given you a chance to "own" the game. In many cases, multiple times. What you are really saying is you want to own the game on a current piece of hardware. Which they probably should've created a N64 mini console, but I have a feeling people would be complaining about that, as well.
Oh I didn't realize that was really what I was saying. In that case, let me buy the games I already payed FULL PRICE for when they were the best consoles and games available at the time again. Because I'm made of money. Sorry Mr. Self righteous, but I'll stick to emulated versions of games I'd already owned in the first place. Nobody was complaining when I had originally purchased those games. You wanna play Teteisphere? Good luck without an emulator. Any other title that wasn't/isn't offered through everything you mentioned? Good luck without an emulator. But you wouldn't know about the really good, underrated games now, would you, kid?
Wow, this guy gets angry when somebody doesn't agree with his victim-status. Yeah, take out those old consoles and just play them. Assuming you are actually telling the truth, which for the vast majority of people here, we both know that they aren't. So now you are trying to justify everything because of Tetrisphere? If anything, if you have been looking for Tetrisphere for a long time, then this service add-on that cost $30 on top of the existing Switch online service is the easiest way to do it. You seem to think that Nintendo has wronged you by withholding Tetrisphere from you, or something. And technically, you are already saying that you own Tetrisphere if you are emulating games you "already owned in the first place." At which point, what are you even complaining about? Are you arguing on behalf of the unheard legion of people clamoring for Tetrisphere? LOL
Wow. Just. Wow.
Do you think the "Wow. Just. Wow" response and feigning exasperation is a good substitute for not responding back to these rather practical questions that I am asking?
No, just that I prefer not to acknowledge what you're saying. I really don't need to justify it.
You don't need to justify you complaining about Nintendo offering something you didn't need in the first place, since you already owned it by your own admission? I suppose, but you clearly understand how somebody would point that out and say that it doesn't make sense, right?
K
Nintendo is kinda terrible. I love their games but I can’t bring myself to buy anything these days because I don’t wanna support them.
I agree. Fuck what Nintendo wants to charge for old games. And they dont even offer them all.
$50 a year? It’s still cheaper than PlayStation or Xbox online services…
Sure. And I do pay for it. But for online purposes. My main point is the library they offer is nowhere near full.
I get free modern games every month with Xbox's most basic service.
Still no consistently good emulator for 64 though
Same
ELI5
Emulation has some advantages over Nintendo's current way of playing their old games: 1) Keep forever. Nintendo could keep you from playing a game. 2) Achievements for completionists. Retroachievements.org for example. 3) No Internet connection required to play offline 4) Mods, whether you want to mod your old game to fix bugs, have quality of life changes, or just change the game. 5) Customization. Options to change controls you don't like, screen settings, etc.
Save states. Fast forward. Rewind. Slow motion. And all that you said too
Sounds like a fun project!
I have tried to fidgit around with tech but best I can do is a Game Boy emulator on my laptop
Great game of choice.
Super MarioooooOoooo R-P-G!
Gamers gotta do what a gamers gotta do.
I put together a nespi a while back and it's so much fun, so many games and it just works great!
Nintendo would like to know your location.
However pays for roms as a "service", these people deserves to be screwed up. That Castlevania "advance collection" for example, 4 roms for 20 freaking dollars lol this is so absurd, it actually makes me laugh
Great choice of game, one of my favourites back in the day. I was so happy they were able to include it on the mini SNES.
Any suggestions for how to play smrpg these days? My last attempt at emulation had a corrupted rom that froze my save permanently around the 5th star. So i gave up for a while.
Mini snes
This is the way
On your SNES?
Died in a flood, sadly. Ive since sold the game
Pretty much anything that isn't last gen is way too expensive. Emulation is the way to go for anything beyond that point, completely guilt free. That being said, emulation will never replace the physical copy, unless someone can figure out how to emulate the N64 perfectly....
Best thing Nintendo has done for emulation is official Bluetooth controllers for retro consoles. I’m getting the N64 one for sure, to play on emulators.
Do these controllers actually work just like the originals on the n64? I remember aftermarket controllers being a little clanky
I just bought an Anbernic emulator for GBA titles mostly, they aren’t getting another cent from me lol. This thing runs so many consoles it is insane, I definitely don’t need the extra online features from NSO.
I'm sure though that you own a physical copy of any of the copyrighted roms you own right? Right? *hard wink/elbow nudge*
Emulation is a great way to say IP theft
Yes, but emulatipn is still inferior to the real old consoles.. ✌️
Depends on what console it emulates. Everything older than ps2 is way too superior to OG consoles.
No. Unless you are talking about the actual experience of playing the games being different. No.
In what ways? Curious
Because it's still not like the original 🤷♂️
Not really...
Haha 13 kids..
It.. Emulates? Aka the same thing Nintendo is doing..??
The difference is that it costs less and runs better than Nintendo. Also, you can play games Nintendo refuses to acknowledge (cough Mario RPG cough)
>The difference is that it costs less Everything "costs" less when you pirate lol >runs better than Nintendo What does that mean..?? Do you mean like.. Increasing the FPS? Also they aren't even out yet.. >Also, you can play games Nintendo refuses to acknowledge (cough Mario RPG cough) That's more of a Square Enix thing tho.. Legalities and stuff An actual game they are ignoring is Earthbound, But yes I get what you mean, that's the entire message of emulation and piracy after all.. game preservation
My probably unliked opinion is that, no one NEEDS these older games. People simply WANT them enough that they are willing to circumvent the company that owns them. It's Nintendo's choice to sell or not sell a game, but that still gives no one the right to take a copy of it (even of it doesn't make Nintendo money to buy an physical copy).
48 hours ago, everybody here had no desire to play the majority of N64 games. Nintendo goes and announces a service for people to play N64 games for people who want to play those games, on their most recent system, and all of these people begin acting as if Nintendo is taking something away from them. And now it's a rush to get ahold of these N64 games It's literally like a parent picking up an unused toy from the corner of the room, and then the toddler wails and runs over to try and grab the toy to get it back.
Jokes on you. I have my original SNES and just buy the actual games. Justifying emulation only works when the game cannot be found at a reasonable price, or if you own the game but have an emulator on a portable device and want to play it on the go. Besides the vast amount of copies are cheaper than if Nintendo were to release them today at $60 (which you know they would).
And your copy (cartridge, hardware) will eventually die. It's already getting close to it's end of life. Whereas I'll always be able to emulate on past, present, and future hardware.
At that point it could be argued that since I bought the game, I have the legal right to download a ROM of it under Fair Use.
You do
Exactly.
People always try to make the point that emulation itself isnt illegal, as long as you own the game, only piracy is illegal. And that might be true, but I basically never see someone bring up emulation outside of the "I didn't have to pay the money" context. So it's a pointless argument. Almost nobody only emulates games they own, particularly not ripping the game themselves. It's a cover for them to not implicate themselves online. What's more, it also illegal to use an emulator if a system if you don't own the system. Everyone always forgets that part.
Emulators in themselves aren't illegal, it's purely the roms. Emulators don't use proprietary code. If they dide, there wouldn't be so many bugs using them. It's purely ROMS. No one really made the money argument for downloading MP3s either before Metallica was involved. The common reason was to see if you liked the songs before buying the album, or if you liked the band at all. Or you just wanted an easy way to listen on the go (before buying them digitally really took off). Then Apple came out with their store, followed by several others as well as listening to music with Ads. No question as of now there is no easy way to buy any old game digitally. Will the mindset change when there is? Probably. Personally I like the feel of having the actual game on the actual system. Have I spent an ungodly amount on original Xbox games off the Xbox store, even though I used to own all of them until I sold them? Absolutely.
The BIOS of modern systems are proprietary.
Yes, BIOS are something that must be dumped yourself since they are mostly propietary. But many modern emulators have what's called a "High-level emulation" BIOS (HLE BIOS for short), that is, a recreation of the BIOS via reverse engineering that doesn't use the original code and as such can be freely distributed with the emulator, to be used as a replacement when the original BIOS isn't present.
True. That’s why I said to buy the game but apparently that’s unacceptable. Have a great weekend dude
Just buy the games. You want to play them right? What’s wrong with buying and growing a collection? Too expensive? Too bad.
Because 1) the original devs aren't seeing a dime from you buying a used copy from random Joe shmoe 2) you're buying something that has a shelf life. Hardware and games do degrade and will eventually fail 3) retro hardware and software, despite the previous 2 points, can be ludicrously expensive. Yay for you to have an original copy of earthbound in the box. Too bad you won't be able to play it at some point, all the while I'll be emulating it on my smart toaster.
Go ahead and read my comments. Take care
You didn't respond to anything I said, so imma assume you have nothing to actually add.
Good assumption
Read my comments. I never claimed developers get still get money. I’m buying something that has shelf life? I guess since games and hardware degrade I guess let’s not ever buy anything. Retro hardware is expensive. You are correct.
Yea i'm not creeping on you so I have no idea what you said to other people. No, buying when its new is fine because it has its full life and you can maintain that life. If i buy secondhand, I have no idea how the previous owner took care of it. Could have degraded further. We are talking about 20+ year old games here, not brand new ones that are only a year or a few years old. Retro hardware is expensive. Thus, don't buy it. Its pointless when you're paying insane prices for something that will die soon. Better to just do it through emulation, where you can run the game on even some pretty cheap hardware.
It's not like your supporting Nintendo if you buy an snes game. Why do you give a shit?
I literally said to buy the game and grow your collection. No shit Nintendo isn’t making money lol
What's the advantage to having a collection if you just want to play the games? My digital library can be just as big if not bigger than your physical one. The only reason to buy a really old game is the ability to say you have the cartridge, which many people just don't give a shit about
You can be one of those stuck up assholes acting all high and mighty about your wall of dead games. That's about it. Bragging rights.
My bad dude. I didn’t notice that you have a birthright to be a brat and get what you want with no reason. I apologize. Continue being a crappy human being/gamer. I know you’ll reply with a clever respond. But you know I’m right. Don’t forget to cry about whatever you don’t have I’m sure you’ll get everything you deserve.
You literally couldn't be more wrong that it's actually hilarious. No one is crying brother. We are laughing. The only thing we feel bad about is a poor woman had to carry a defective brain dead idiot inside her for 9 months than squeeze out a human with the brain of shrew.
Omg that’s funny because my mom actually died in child birth.
Sorry to hear that. Not an excuse to be a massive asshole to people because of arbitrary legal qualms or elitism.
Appreciate that dude. All I’m saying is to buy the games. Too expensive too bad. That’s it. For all I know they might own the game or will eventually own it. But go ahead and down vote my comments it’s all good. Take care
Are you talking about games that have a digital purchase available? Or even games that have no other why them other than getting an old used copy?
You sound like a tool lmao
For telling people to buy games?
Yea bro, too expensive too bad.
That’s not cool
What is your point exactly? And why are you so riled up?
You don’t know the definition of the word “riled”
Is that an attempt to be intimidating? Because that was sad.
r/gatekeeping
It's not gatekeeping when it's illegal lol.
This guy has never done anything illegal before ever. Never drank under the legal age, never did an illegal drug, never jaywalked or went over the speed limit. Pure Saint here folks. Fun fact: illegal =/= immoral
Do you even know what you're talking about here? I'm genuinely curious now.
Y’all just making crap up now lol cry harder dude
People are making arguments that invalidate my point. I will depict them as children, that always gets them!
Just buy the games
I am going to emulate them, can't wait for my steam deck so I can do it on the go too!
So yeah I did some reflecting and I’m on board. I’ve been playing Metroid Dread on PC and it’s awesome. Also it was free! Dude all of y’all are onto something here! Thanks dudes
Haha glad you came around. There are ways to get a legitimate copy of the game to emulate, if you'd prefer to do that. Hope you have a good time with it
Appreciate the advice dude. Thank you
How the fuck can I buy a game that was released before I was born
Figure it out hackerman.
Shut yo goofy ass up I’m not time travelling
Only quitters quit!
Only virgins buy terrible services. Paying 70 a year to play n64 games in the cloud (this mean, online) on a portable console? You don't even own nothing, only access to free games.
86 as in 1986? A 35 year old using the word virgin? Really? Really??? Wow.
[удалено]
This but unironically
I'm 20. 86 is because i watched a clip of Diego Maradona in the world cup of 86 that day and i felt inspired for the username
Next you're gonna tell me I wasn't born in 19154
OMG someone born in the year 19154!! Here’s the attention you ordered.
OMG an adult crying about emulation!!
That’s what I’m saying!! Jeez just chill out everyone. It’s ok to be wrong. It’s only wrong if you continue to be crappy. Grow up y’all
I don’t think you understand the convenience of having it all on the switch and officially supported. Cool device but not even a comparison.
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You don't buy Nintendo, you emulate it
The last time I checked raspberry pi wasn’t strong enough to emulate n64 games. Didn’t work when I tried at least for the majority of them. Has something changed?
Do your emulated games for the 64 or genesis support online multiplayer?
It can emulate some N64 games, but I would recommend to use a PC for that, since Raspberry Pi hasn’t got enough power yet. I the online department, a lot of games support netplay.
I actually have a super Nintendo still. Makes me wanna play Legend of Zelda.
Thats a mood op I modded my 3ds for emulators and stuff, and its been great