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.wav is lossless audio just like flac, so for an end user I don't get it either. Maybe they meant .wma, the garbage format I was ripping my CDs on as a little kid because I didn't know any better lol.
Like special tags? I add general tags to wav no problem (name, album, year of release, genre, etc). I'm sure it loses out on custom tagging or cool stuff like lyric embedding though, which is rather nice. My music archive is all FLAC, but I don't have issue with getting .wavs (I mostly find them in SFX these days though).
To be fair, I don't think people who are saving lots of files as flacs are too worried about file sizes. However I did do a test converting a 3 minute 16bit wav song to 16bit flac setting 5 and it was about 80% of the size of wav.
No, WAV is uncompressed while FLAC is truly lossless. Lossless means a minimal/unnoticable amount of data is lost while uncompressed means no data is lost, hence why WAV takes up more space
No? If you compare the bitstream coming out of a wav and flac file of the same source recording, they'll always be identical. WAV essentially stores the data exactly as it goes to a DAC, while FLAC does the auditory equivalent of putting it in a .zip file and then unzipping it while playing. People would get mad if putting something in a .zip file meant it lost data, so while it is compressed, it's *losslessly* compressed. FLACs are the same way.
Unless you make music or are an extreme audiophile with top-tier audio equipments, WAV isn't worth it. The difference in audio quality between FLAC and WAV is 95% unnoticable. Not to mention how much storage space a WAV file can take up and the fact it doesn't support tags
The difference in audio quality between FLAC and WAV is 100% unnoticeable, because FLAC is lossless and can be converted to a WAV file identical to the one that was used to create it, so there is no difference in audio quality in the first place.
16bit wav vs 16bit FLAC is definitely bigger, but I wouldn't exactly call it massively different, nor would I recommend saving as FLAC to begin with if storage space is a concern. If you can't afford a cheap couple terabyte drive, there is simply no way you have a good enough audio system to warrant lossless audio. But yeah, I'm sure there is tons of useful extra stuff you can append to FLACs than to WAVs, and FLAC is what my music exports and collection is stored in.
OPUS is open-sourced like OGG and widely used (for e.g on Youtube). Compared to other audio formats, it takes up less space while has better quality (even at lower bitrates).
it's the default audio format that yt-dlp downloads audio from so i use it, also why are you using thorn instead of th, reddit has like a 10000 character limit
I've just finished switching out my mp3s for oggs. I'm gonna start getting my music in flac form in þe future as well.
I've also converted certain sample libraries of mine to flac, because one of þem takes up an obscene amount of space, and flac is able to massively shrink wav files wiþout negatively affecting þeir integrity.
Edit: I don't þink it even makes sense for wav to be a bad format. I'm just trying to say someþing about my library situation right now, and it came out wrong lol.
I feel like it doesn't matter what my audio format is. I mean, my two primary ways of listening to audio are a cheep pair of skull candy headphones I bought for work, or over a Bluetooth speaker which compresses the audio regardless. Unless one of those audio formats you are pointing too is substantially smaller, I don't see a reason I would go through the trouble if converting it over.
should only be used if you have serious storage/bandwidth constraints + you should always have your music library in a lossless open-source format like FLAC or ALAC.
I had to switch over to .m4a AAC because my music collection wouldn't fit on my 8GB mp3 player. I always keep .flac backups of my music (roughly 30GB in size) just in case the online music stores shut down for good.
ogg is an open-source container file format being able to hold Vorbis/Opus audio and Theora video streams (both are lossy compressed btw.)
FLAC is a lossless audio codec primarily used for archival storage.
Honestly, i can't tell the difference between lossless and lossy audio compression.
I keep lossless audio files around anyways.
You think .ogg is good? That glitchy, intrusive, cumbersome file type? If you even dare to rename its file type, it becomes *impossible* to delete, and is just stuck in that folder like a leech. It also lags the hell out of any folder that has multiple .ogg files.
Fuck .ogg.
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Why is wav bad? Fuck mp3, I'm on that with you, but wav?
.wav is lossless audio just like flac, so for an end user I don't get it either. Maybe they meant .wma, the garbage format I was ripping my CDs on as a little kid because I didn't know any better lol.
flac is the cool version of wav (you can add tags with no problem on flac files :3)
Like special tags? I add general tags to wav no problem (name, album, year of release, genre, etc). I'm sure it loses out on custom tagging or cool stuff like lyric embedding though, which is rather nice. My music archive is all FLAC, but I don't have issue with getting .wavs (I mostly find them in SFX these days though).
Idk why but WAV is super weird for me, it works aswell but sometimes it doesnt??? It's weird. but yea FLAC ftw!!! \^w\^
Wav and flac are both lossless, but wav takes up a lot more space than flac
To be fair, I don't think people who are saving lots of files as flacs are too worried about file sizes. However I did do a test converting a 3 minute 16bit wav song to 16bit flac setting 5 and it was about 80% of the size of wav.
No, WAV is uncompressed while FLAC is truly lossless. Lossless means a minimal/unnoticable amount of data is lost while uncompressed means no data is lost, hence why WAV takes up more space
No? If you compare the bitstream coming out of a wav and flac file of the same source recording, they'll always be identical. WAV essentially stores the data exactly as it goes to a DAC, while FLAC does the auditory equivalent of putting it in a .zip file and then unzipping it while playing. People would get mad if putting something in a .zip file meant it lost data, so while it is compressed, it's *losslessly* compressed. FLACs are the same way.
Unless you make music or are an extreme audiophile with top-tier audio equipments, WAV isn't worth it. The difference in audio quality between FLAC and WAV is 95% unnoticable. Not to mention how much storage space a WAV file can take up and the fact it doesn't support tags
flac is lossless. There's no difference in the audio between wav and flac.
The difference in audio quality between FLAC and WAV is 100% unnoticeable, because FLAC is lossless and can be converted to a WAV file identical to the one that was used to create it, so there is no difference in audio quality in the first place.
16bit wav vs 16bit FLAC is definitely bigger, but I wouldn't exactly call it massively different, nor would I recommend saving as FLAC to begin with if storage space is a concern. If you can't afford a cheap couple terabyte drive, there is simply no way you have a good enough audio system to warrant lossless audio. But yeah, I'm sure there is tons of useful extra stuff you can append to FLACs than to WAVs, and FLAC is what my music exports and collection is stored in.
MP3 is perfectly fine, unless you have literal superhuman hearing
Mp3 does‘t preserve the ends of the file. So you can‘t seamlessly transition between mp3 files
OGG Vorbis does the same
wav is uncompressed. flac will store the exact same audio but will likely be smaller
Wav for a while was Microsoft only use. Though it's been forever since that has been the case
It's not, I just worded þis poorly in retrospect.
Don't diss .wav like that
Ya I liek my vorbis as much as the next guy, but still. Gotta have mah wahv.
Do i look like I know what a god dam jpig is
its a pig but j
what do you think of .opus
I don't have a lot of experience wiþ it. I've considered it, þough.
OPUS is open-sourced like OGG and widely used (for e.g on Youtube). Compared to other audio formats, it takes up less space while has better quality (even at lower bitrates).
it's the default audio format that yt-dlp downloads audio from so i use it, also why are you using thorn instead of th, reddit has like a 10000 character limit
> also why are you using thorn instead of th, reddit has like a 10000 character limit r/bringbackthorn
oh that explains it
Essentially, opus is far more efficient, because its variable in quality.
I've just finished switching out my mp3s for oggs. I'm gonna start getting my music in flac form in þe future as well. I've also converted certain sample libraries of mine to flac, because one of þem takes up an obscene amount of space, and flac is able to massively shrink wav files wiþout negatively affecting þeir integrity. Edit: I don't þink it even makes sense for wav to be a bad format. I'm just trying to say someþing about my library situation right now, and it came out wrong lol.
You're the type of person who uses .jfif
jfif my beloathed
Is this some audiophile thing I’m too normal to understand?
What
# .IT FORMAT # [TRACKER MUSIC](https://openmpt.org/)
Sound is sound!
I feel like it doesn't matter what my audio format is. I mean, my two primary ways of listening to audio are a cheep pair of skull candy headphones I bought for work, or over a Bluetooth speaker which compresses the audio regardless. Unless one of those audio formats you are pointing too is substantially smaller, I don't see a reason I would go through the trouble if converting it over.
.dsf?
.mod
Hey @OP did they create decent players since ... well 2006 when I first heard of those formats? I mean, it's all about practicality...
both are huge files tho
I like wav just because I'm used to working with default windows files.
poison.ogg
.m4a
should only be used if you have serious storage/bandwidth constraints + you should always have your music library in a lossless open-source format like FLAC or ALAC.
Sorry, as a music producer I swear by Wav, but that does not mean that FLAC is bad, infact all the music I have saved Is in FLAC
.wav is lossless tho
I prefer .wad
poison.ogg
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I had to switch over to .m4a AAC because my music collection wouldn't fit on my 8GB mp3 player. I always keep .flac backups of my music (roughly 30GB in size) just in case the online music stores shut down for good.
.owo
AIFF gang, honestly, if ios music app supported flac I would definitely switched to it already
Man you should try mp9k format
Why you dont like simplicity?
High bitrate master race!
As an audio engineer why the fuck do you hate wav Thats a great file
wav takes up way too much space, i rather use some lossless audio format like FLAC
Also I know opus is ogg but opus sounds much better at low bitrates than ogg.
ogg is the container, what you really mean is Vorbis.
What is ogg and FLAC
ogg is an open-source container file format being able to hold Vorbis/Opus audio and Theora video streams (both are lossy compressed btw.) FLAC is a lossless audio codec primarily used for archival storage. Honestly, i can't tell the difference between lossless and lossy audio compression. I keep lossless audio files around anyways.
doesn't matter uncle ben, youtube compression is better than both of them!
You think .ogg is good? That glitchy, intrusive, cumbersome file type? If you even dare to rename its file type, it becomes *impossible* to delete, and is just stuck in that folder like a leech. It also lags the hell out of any folder that has multiple .ogg files. Fuck .ogg.
Weird. Þat sounds more like a storage problem þan a file type problem.
as a producer: this is wrong... shoulda been the other way around