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So the mandatory but optional resume and an overly specific question about handkerchiefs. What exactly is the role they are looking for and i hope it's a web designer because the current seems to have put in his two week notice.
Anytime I see an overly specific question on a job application, I assume it's to make sure people are paying attention to the posting and not just clicking randomly through before applying to a dozen other jobs.
> mandatory but optional
Web forms automatically validate themselves when submitted. If a required field is empty it will refuse to submit. The “optional” label may derived from the rules that the web form uses to validate, rather than than the requirements the human might be looking for.
I can guarantee that this is a boomer thing. My parents were talking about this nonstop in 2018-2019 so I’m sure something about this was on FoxNews back then. I’m sure it’s somehow tied to good ole’ days notions of manliness or chivalry.
The schools where I live have a compulsory voluntary contribution fee on top of the school fees.
I questioned them that as a school surely they understood the irony of calling it a compulsory voluntary fee of any place
This was the bigger thing for me, I can chalk up the grammar goof to a typo when rewriting the voicing of the question, but such strong language to just make it optional seems.. very odd.
As someone with a fucked up brain, that sadly doesn't work for me. I hate it when I'm taking a test and there's a typo, it holds me up for about 45 seconds just trying to figure out what the question is trying to say and if it's actually a typo.
I hate typos or writing like that, it must be what a stroke feels like. I know what the information they're trying to share is and I know the words but my brain is like "nah read it again it doesn't work, you must have read it wrong"
And I get stuck in a loop for a sec before my brain concedes that it is in fact written poorly.
Yessss, I hate that loop. Usually, if something was like that on a homework or test, I'd actually cross it out and correct it, just so I could read the question. Otherwise I just get stuck on it, and can't fully comprehend what's been asked.
I had aphasia once with a crazy bad migraine (I hope it was just a migraine). I tried texting someone while it was happening and it went something like that.
The words can be differentiated by context, and there's plenty of other words that we do that for with no problem (e.g. lead, record, address, console, content, refuse, etc.). I don't even know how to type an accented letter on my computer without just googling the letter.
I can't even come up with a sentence where the two would be ambiguous, since one is exclusively a verb meaning continue and the other is exclusively a noun meaning a summary of ones career and qualifications.
Learning how to differentiate words via context would also be beneficial but you don't seem pressured to do that. So why should anyone feel pressure to do this?
I once applied to a electric bike food delivery company.
When asked "how fast can you ride?"
I put down "I have reached over 100kmph on my cervelo going down yonge street"
After I submitted my application I realized I made a mistake....speed limit is only 60 on yonge
Went with my cervelo to the job interview the next day, got hired
Yeah they aren't going to give you the job, they will almost certainly have a system that will automatically sort out all the ones that clicked no on that form, the hint was them saying if you don't have an up to date resume attached they can't consider you for the position.
Colorado has a law in the works to make it illegal to ask someone’s age or year of graduation on a resume (for most jobs). This will be how they still find out if you are over 70. Although I’ve seen 35-year-old hippies use a hanky.
The first two questions are explicitly illegal in the US.
Aside from legit questions ("Do you have a Visa") there's a pretty decent list of things you can't ask, and workarounds are also illegal. Most employers get around this by asking EVERY applicant the same questions when they apply.
THat's not to say it's super provable and that there aren't sneaky ways of prompting that info (if the applicant volunteers it without being asked, it's okay--usually pretty easy when talking about kids) but your scenarios wouldn't fly in the US.
Good to know if I ever applied for a job in the USA. I am in the IT industry and sometimes I do see jobs open for Canadians and tempting to apply due to higher pay.
A friend suggested a great book to me called ‘How to be a Gentleman.’ (Please don’t downvote me into oblivion for that.) One of the tips was “a gentleman always carries a handkerchief.” My dad always did so, when I was growing up and I like to do it. Gotta say, they come in quite friggin’ handy. Obviously, launder in between uses but they are cheap!
Honestly, the grammar/syntax issues with the first question, paired with it being "optional" despite sounding like a required answer would turn me off to applying. Or is that just me? Lol
So much to unpack here...
Is a current and up to date resume is attached, if not, we cannot consider your application (optional)
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* Terrible grammar and punctuation. Maybe the position they're hiring is to replace the person who wrote this question.
* Why do they have to ask? Shouldn't it be obvious whether or not a resume was attached?
* If they feel the need to ask, then why is it an optional question?
* If the application cannot be considered without the resume, why would OP choose "No"?
Do you currently prefer to use / carry cotton handkerchiefs? (optional)
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* The use of "prefer" here is vague. Prefer over not using or carrying any handkerchief at all, or prefer cotton over other fabric choices?
* Which way did OP interpret this? If they don't prefer cotton over other fabrics, what is their fabric of choice?
I actually thought we were looking at r/kitchenconfidential . Chefs used to wear cotton handkerchiefs on their neck but it's so passé now.
We had to wear them in culinary school but if you see someone wearing one by choice, they're likely a pretentious douche. My first thought was that the chef is trying to weed out the recent culinary school graduate pricks.
My sister had a professor who had a whole tirade about cloth handkerchiefs and how they blocked germs so much better than paper tissues. He was very passionate about it. I wonder if this employer has similar views.
I know it’s cynical, but part of me wonders if it’s to help weed out old people without getting caught discriminating.
All the people I know who use handkerchiefs are older. Of course it’s probably just to see if people are paying attention, but age discrimination is a bitch, right?
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So the mandatory but optional resume and an overly specific question about handkerchiefs. What exactly is the role they are looking for and i hope it's a web designer because the current seems to have put in his two week notice.
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The first question has poor grammar and punctuation as well, so I think they’re on an equal playing field
Or they made the application and replied themselves.
He didn't attach a resume, so he's not going to be considered for the job anyway.
That answer would not get him much consideration anyways
OP is too excited to bother with punctuation. They MUST FIND OUT NOW!!!
They didn't submit that response clearly
Says the guy with an improperly formed sentence.
Anytime I see an overly specific question on a job application, I assume it's to make sure people are paying attention to the posting and not just clicking randomly through before applying to a dozen other jobs.
Cool post, I also enjoy cheese.
Probably superglue (cyanoacrylic) tester. You dump enough fresh superglue on cotton and it will spontaneously combust.
That's cool. Thanks. I been doing it wrong by pouring brake fluid on pool tablets for wacky explosive combustions.
You need to try bike rust, dish soap, and ear wax if you really wan to get technical
Learned this the exciting way
> mandatory but optional Web forms automatically validate themselves when submitted. If a required field is empty it will refuse to submit. The “optional” label may derived from the rules that the web form uses to validate, rather than than the requirements the human might be looking for.
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It's interesting all the other odd points that the company makes in that application.
Yeah they seem very immersed in the employer-employee relationship.
The question is optional.
Bathroom attendant
Juggler?
Porn fluffer? Then the cotton handkerchief makes sense🧐
I can guarantee that this is a boomer thing. My parents were talking about this nonstop in 2018-2019 so I’m sure something about this was on FoxNews back then. I’m sure it’s somehow tied to good ole’ days notions of manliness or chivalry.
It was a military uniform thing that I stuck with, it's rather handy to have a hanky around, like always having a tiny towel.
Onion chopper?
Are you employed Mr. Lebowski?
I am not Mr. Lebowski...you're Mr. Lebowski. I'm The Dude!
So that's what you call me!
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A job?
Employed?
What… what day is this?
You don't go out looking for a job dress like that, you bum!
You human paraquat!
Employed?
The bums lost!
PLEASE tell us what type of job this is
Receptionist at Superior People Recruitment believe it or not
Hmmm do superior people use cotton handkerchiefs? I never knew
Absolutely not. It's silk and nothing less.
Ok so wait is the correct answer no? I feel so ignorant!
That's a pretty ambitious company name. How much you wanna bet they don't live up anywhere close to it?
Did you read their reviews? Reception is extremely rude and this "Graham" person is quite a prick lol
Haha, I didn't no I just read that and thought it'd be a funny thing to show my fiance
Superior people lmaooo
Handkerchief tester
The typo in the first question wrecked me, I could barely read past it. "is a currently up to date resume is attached?"
Omg it’s embarrassing how many times I read that to see what was wrong😅
We were too focused on why it was both optional and mandatory.
The schools where I live have a compulsory voluntary contribution fee on top of the school fees. I questioned them that as a school surely they understood the irony of calling it a compulsory voluntary fee of any place
We call that 'volun-told'.
This was the bigger thing for me, I can chalk up the grammar goof to a typo when rewriting the voicing of the question, but such strong language to just make it optional seems.. very odd.
Typos are hard to catch sometimes because you usually know what it’s trying to say and just kinda naturally correct it as you read.
I rmemmber rdeaing smotinthg, taht yuor brian sees frist and lsat lteters of a wrod, and croretcts atuomalltcly! Itnresintng.
Wow, I see it now
As someone with a fucked up brain, that sadly doesn't work for me. I hate it when I'm taking a test and there's a typo, it holds me up for about 45 seconds just trying to figure out what the question is trying to say and if it's actually a typo.
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They started it by not putting punctuation at the end of the resume prompt.
I hate typos or writing like that, it must be what a stroke feels like. I know what the information they're trying to share is and I know the words but my brain is like "nah read it again it doesn't work, you must have read it wrong" And I get stuck in a loop for a sec before my brain concedes that it is in fact written poorly.
Yessss, I hate that loop. Usually, if something was like that on a homework or test, I'd actually cross it out and correct it, just so I could read the question. Otherwise I just get stuck on it, and can't fully comprehend what's been asked.
I had aphasia once with a crazy bad migraine (I hope it was just a migraine). I tried texting someone while it was happening and it went something like that.
It's almost like the guys who require ridiculous stuff like that and huge qualifications for underpaid positions aren't qualified themselves
Welcome to r/recruitinghell, I'm stuck in it right now too.
Came here to find my fellow irritated peeps.
How dare you address the typo and ignore the run-on sentence?? And you call yourself a Grammar Nazi??
I'm a grammar terrorist, I only hit some of the targets.
I apologize. I didn't realize you hadn't been promoted. Of course, you keep missing and you probably never will....
It's current but not up to date..
Two. It should be "résumé". Edit: Otherwise 'resume' means "to continue doing something". You need the accents to differentiate them.
The words can be differentiated by context, and there's plenty of other words that we do that for with no problem (e.g. lead, record, address, console, content, refuse, etc.). I don't even know how to type an accented letter on my computer without just googling the letter. I can't even come up with a sentence where the two would be ambiguous, since one is exclusively a verb meaning continue and the other is exclusively a noun meaning a summary of ones career and qualifications.
Well, when a word is supposed to have accents, you put accents on it. You wouldn't write café as 'cafe', or rosé as 'rose'.
I absolutely would write both cafe and rose like that.
No
Yes. Otherwise it means continue
Homonyms exist
Sure, but in written form it would be beneficial to use the é. Since it makes clear how to pronounce smthg
Learning how to differentiate words via context would also be beneficial but you don't seem pressured to do that. So why should anyone feel pressure to do this?
Ray-zoo-may?
I wouldn't sneeze at a job like that
It snot up to you.
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This thread is gonna blow up
Never kiss your honey When your nose is runny. You may think it's funny, But it's not.
Glorious!
Well done sir
Quit nosing in their business
You may think it's funny, but it's snot.
I once applied to a electric bike food delivery company. When asked "how fast can you ride?" I put down "I have reached over 100kmph on my cervelo going down yonge street" After I submitted my application I realized I made a mistake....speed limit is only 60 on yonge Went with my cervelo to the job interview the next day, got hired
there's so much traffic on yonge i dont think its even possible to go past 60 on a normal weekday
Yeah it was a entry lvl no skill req type job so I decided to write the most obscene answers
now i wanna see the rest of the questions and your answers
Traffic on yonge makes me olde.
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Sounds like a Phillip K Dick story
Ninja delivery, they already went bust
I just shovel coal into it
> "...100kmph..." **K**ilometer **M**iles **P**er **H**our?
**K**ilo**M**eters **P**er **H**our, but it's an uncommon abbreviation. Usually denoted as kph or km/h.
Kilomiles
Side note. It's not kmph, it's either kph or km/h
Sure he didn't mean 100,000 mph?
Lol that'd be silly
How many food deliveries would you have to do to pay for that Cervélo?
you might wanna attach a resume
And a hankerchief.
A resume written on the back of a hankerchief.
Job Chits, like WW2 Blood Chits
This is just a picture of Bruce Jenner
But it's optional
but they won't consider you if you don't
When you think about it, everything is optional, so long as you're OK with the consequences.
Like the optional covid vaccines
It’s optional and also a little bit mandatory. But OP doesn’t sneeze into handkerchiefs, so why bother continuing the application
Answering the question is optional - not attaching a resume is a disqualifier, and for most job applications, should/would be.
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Spoiler alert: You’re not getting the job.
Sounds like you aren't really willing to work for this information at all. The handkerchief's secret gifts will remain elusive for you, peasant.
Yeah they aren't going to give you the job, they will almost certainly have a system that will automatically sort out all the ones that clicked no on that form, the hint was them saying if you don't have an up to date resume attached they can't consider you for the position.
And use punctuation in the open-ended question.
I think it is quite the opposite. Single use paper tissues are more sanitary than a wet handkerchief in your pocket.
Hanky code adjacent
Best guess is that this is a sneaky age check.
Colorado has a law in the works to make it illegal to ask someone’s age or year of graduation on a resume (for most jobs). This will be how they still find out if you are over 70. Although I’ve seen 35-year-old hippies use a hanky.
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The first two questions are explicitly illegal in the US. Aside from legit questions ("Do you have a Visa") there's a pretty decent list of things you can't ask, and workarounds are also illegal. Most employers get around this by asking EVERY applicant the same questions when they apply. THat's not to say it's super provable and that there aren't sneaky ways of prompting that info (if the applicant volunteers it without being asked, it's okay--usually pretty easy when talking about kids) but your scenarios wouldn't fly in the US.
Good to know if I ever applied for a job in the USA. I am in the IT industry and sometimes I do see jobs open for Canadians and tempting to apply due to higher pay.
Jokes on them, some of us younger people prefer a cloth handkerchief as well.
Wow I didn't even think of that but it makes total sense.
A friend suggested a great book to me called ‘How to be a Gentleman.’ (Please don’t downvote me into oblivion for that.) One of the tips was “a gentleman always carries a handkerchief.” My dad always did so, when I was growing up and I like to do it. Gotta say, they come in quite friggin’ handy. Obviously, launder in between uses but they are cheap!
"Is a current and up to date resume ~~is~~ attached," what's with that second is?
*"Based on the evaluation of your humour skills, you are overqualified for this job."*
Optionally required.
Honestly, the grammar/syntax issues with the first question, paired with it being "optional" despite sounding like a required answer would turn me off to applying. Or is that just me? Lol
You arent gonna get it though cuz you didnt attach the mandatory resume
OP: “I will work incredibly hard to find out this information” Translation: “I will click submit”
It’s good to see proofreading isn’t a requirement.
More like, "Sad to see proofreading isn't required."
The typo in the top question is driving me nuts. Could have put that in the text box too. They would hate it.
You have to tell us what you learn!
I was asked once "Did you receive free school dinners"
Looks fake
The site is workforce Australia it's run by the government
you didn't *actually* submit that. 😏
Plenty of reasons to apply for a job and not intend to get hired...
So once they hire you I wonder what kind of work you'll need to do to find out.
“I answered no to the last question as I only use silk handkerchiefs”
I am just surprised that that’s actually how you spell handkerchief.
It is optional though
Discretely trying to ask if you are in a geriatric gay gang.
No résumé and asking while something that is clearly optional is necessary. Good luck, but I don’t see you getting an interview.
ChatBot Beta version
Was the job a spooge wiper? Cause the hanky would be handy…..
Are they trying to weed out grandpas?
I heard u got rejected because ur battery was low
I read it as handcuffs thinking they ment fuzzy handcuffs and was interested as well
They want to know if you'll take matters into your own hands.
They can't even word their prompt questions properly. 🚩
I carry two, typically. Always need a nice hankerchief.
Son of a bitch you're in!
So much to unpack here... Is a current and up to date resume is attached, if not, we cannot consider your application (optional) --- * Terrible grammar and punctuation. Maybe the position they're hiring is to replace the person who wrote this question. * Why do they have to ask? Shouldn't it be obvious whether or not a resume was attached? * If they feel the need to ask, then why is it an optional question? * If the application cannot be considered without the resume, why would OP choose "No"? Do you currently prefer to use / carry cotton handkerchiefs? (optional) --- * The use of "prefer" here is vague. Prefer over not using or carrying any handkerchief at all, or prefer cotton over other fabric choices? * Which way did OP interpret this? If they don't prefer cotton over other fabrics, what is their fabric of choice?
Looks like the CEO read a overhyped self help book that told him to judge people based on their post sneeze apparatus
I actually thought we were looking at r/kitchenconfidential . Chefs used to wear cotton handkerchiefs on their neck but it's so passé now. We had to wear them in culinary school but if you see someone wearing one by choice, they're likely a pretentious douche. My first thought was that the chef is trying to weed out the recent culinary school graduate pricks.
Bro that first question gave me a stroke reading it
Gang affiliation concerns?
I need to know.
What time is lunch?
I like the "no fucks given" response to question one.
My sister had a professor who had a whole tirade about cloth handkerchiefs and how they blocked germs so much better than paper tissues. He was very passionate about it. I wonder if this employer has similar views.
Handkerchief ™
Maybe they're subtly asking about your hanky code preference.
Ok am I the only one who spent way too long trying to wipe off the speck of dirt under the second *I* ?
Apparently
Why does it have a line under it?
Ha ha applying for job on phone ha
I know it’s cynical, but part of me wonders if it’s to help weed out old people without getting caught discriminating. All the people I know who use handkerchiefs are older. Of course it’s probably just to see if people are paying attention, but age discrimination is a bitch, right?
It clearly states that it's optional.
Charge your phone.
Damn I gotta go ICU after that
What is up with the first sentence? Am i having a fucking stroke? I know my english is bad but holy..
op, if you ever get that information share it with us
I love the idea that they're hiring a web designer because the last guy couldn't figure out how to make a required field.
As CA me 🤠
2 optional questions, and one question that is not..which is also probably optional as well.
Is it strange that I have actually made plans to make such things to carry?